I'm fine with the name change... it wasn't never meant to last until
1.0, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
There are references on the Wiki and one in code.
Melanie
Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
> Melanie wrote:
>> Pre 1.0, devs have a tendency to put jokes into software. Most don't
>> l
Melanie wrote:
> Pre 1.0, devs have a tendency to put jokes into software. Most don't
> last, they're not meant to. Soem do last, even make it into
> production. They are so hidden, most of the time, that they're
> actually easter eggs then.
> B.U.S.T. was the result of a shared joke between mys
t;> R.O.B.U.S.T? ;)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Btw, You will hear no end of references to LoA from me:
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1jzVJjk32E
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> /Stefan
>&g
;>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de
> >> [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Laurent B.
> >> Sent: den 9 juli 2009 14:01
> >>
> >> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> >> Subject: Re:
f Of Laurent B.
>> Sent: den 9 juli 2009 14:01
>>
>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
>> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for B.U.S.T : in B.U.S.T we trust !
&g
/Stefan
>
>
>
> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Laurent B.
> Sent: den 9 juli 2009 14:01
>
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
>
Behalf Of Laurent B.
Sent: den 9 juli 2009 14:01
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
+1 for B.U.S.T : in B.U.S.T we trust !
Laurent
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:03:58 +0200
> From: d
+1 for B.U.S.T : in B.U.S.T we trust !
Laurent
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:03:58 +0200
> From: drscofi...@xyzzyxyzzy.net
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>
>
&
Yes it is common sense but we still have serious problems with how some things
are being handled in this project.
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Impalah wrote:
From: Impalah
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
the forge.
> >>>
> >>> That way, we can get it wrung out, completed, functional, tested.
> >>>
> >>> This seems to me a reasonable and proper way to change the underlying
> grid servers without having a revolution in mid-air.
> >>>
>
take place. As my vote is -1 (and consider it a veto vote) on
> just writing it from a plan in your head when no one else knows what that
> plan is.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Melanie wrote:
>
>
> From: Melanie
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer
de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
Where are all these remarks of great acclaim? This is the first I've heard
about a new protocol being designed without any plan at all.
I'm all for a new protocol but there needs to
Sean Hennessee wrote:
> MW wrote:
>> I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any
>> protocol changes are done, see full documentation about the plans.
>
> How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers?
+1
--
dr dirk husemann virtual worlds research ibm zurich
Melanie wrote:
> Information on the B.U.S.T. server and how to set up a grid with it
> is at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration. The previous
> documentation has been moved to
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LegacyServers and linked from the
> Configuration page
ok, changing to +1.
-
Melanie wrote:
> Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get
> people's opinions on moving forward with deprecating the old
> servers, not people's opinions on the obvious need for documentation.
>
> Further, if the old servers are kept, they will have to be
> maintained
Not to butt in but, I kind of like the name B.U.S.T. It has sort of a
maternal ring to it which is suiting to a core set of servers. But then
again, I'm also the guy that came up with such weird acronyms as QUADRES
for Quick Usable and Dirty Report Execution System. :P
Thanks, :)
- John
T
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Sean Hennessee wrote:
>
> How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers?
>
> ~Sean
>
> NOO! I work for BOSS... Bayou Oilfield Service & Supply. No kidding,
I really do work for them. I just had to laugh when I saw BOSS and realized
that's OUR logo (well, on
Hi,
MW wrote:
> Well my vote is that the new protocol is documented before it goes into
> trunk. There is no reason that the protocol can't be designed before it is
> implemented.
The specification itself is a moving target that needs commnity input.
> But anyway if its not documented then my
the
>>>>> like are encouraged, but we also need to make sure that everything
>>>>> continues to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps this new work should be on the forge. Perhaps it should be done
>>>>> in such a way that the users can ultimately determine w
me a reasonable and proper way to change the underlying grid
>>> servers without having a revolution in mid-air.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________
>>> From: Melanie
>>> To: opensim-dev@lis
t;> This seems to me a reasonable and proper way to change the underlying grid
>>> servers without having a revolution in mid-air.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________
>>> From: Melani
evolution in mid-air.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________
>>> From: Melanie
>>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:51:39 PM
>>> Subje
I'm glad someone besides me said that...
Mike
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 22:26 +, Gryc Ueusp wrote:
> This is what branches are for.
>
> Melanie wrote:
> > This can not be reasonably done on the forge..
> >
> > Melanie
> >
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Opensim-dev mailing list
t, regardless, I believe that moving forward in a compatible manner and
>>> making sure we dont shoot ourselves in the foot is very important. I would
>>> counsel caution *and* I would counsel some independent testing to make sure
>>> we are moving forward in a predictable manner.
>>>
&
e are moving forward in a predictable manner.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Melanie
>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:43:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] De
From: Melanie
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:51:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
Which is precisely what is intended. But the old dinosaur servers
are in the way.
You can rest assured no
ists.berlios.de
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:43:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>
> This is not going to happen on the drawing board. It can't. And also
> it would be taking the second step before the fir
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
This is not going to happen on the drawing board. It can't. And also
it would be taking the second step before the first.
First, the existing protocols are converted to services, as it has
al
n.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Melanie wrote:
>
> From: Melanie
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 9:08 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> Justin Cla
Well as Justin said, there needs to be plans/documents detailing all the
details of the replacement protocols before the process of replacing them is
began.
--- On Wed, 8/7/09, Melanie wrote:
From: Melanie
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
Hi,
Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
> But the real question was about your statement
>
> "But changes are planned as we are moving to more sane protocols."
>
> source: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2009-July/006992.html
>
> Who is the 'we' in this? What are these protocols? Why are
Melanie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this has been spoken about extensively, mostly on IRC. It is NOT
> about _changing_ OGS1. It's about replacing it.
fyi, as has been said many times in the past, speaking about something on IRC
does _not_ mean that everybody knows about
it. Peer review must occur eithe
Not bad, not bad at all.
Sean Hennessee wrote:
> MW wrote:
>> I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any
>> protocol changes are done, see full documentation about the plans.
>
> How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers?
>
> ~Sean
___
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Sean Hennessee wrote:
> MW wrote:
>> I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any
>
> How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers?
nice acronym - perhaps too JBoss-y a name though, and it being also a
server framework (the open source j2ee thin
MW wrote:
> I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any
> protocol changes are done, see full documentation about the plans.
How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers?
~Sean
--
Sean Hennessee
UC Irvine
... . .- -. / . -. -. . ... ... . .
__
@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:43:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
We will be pleased to test BUST without the fears to get Busted...
Sacha
Le 8 juil. 09 à 18:33, Charles Krinke a écrit :
Melanie:
I think the key
Hi,
this has been spoken about extensively, mostly on IRC. It is NOT
about _changing_ OGS1. It's about replacing it.
OGS1 is a monolithic juggernaut that stubbornly resists evolutionary
pressures. It can't be updates any more than the dinosaurs could be.
The smaller, faster mammals (services)
e of itself and we will
have a much better product.
Charles
From: Justin Clark-Casey
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer
and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
Mike Dickson wrote:
> On Wed, 2
nsim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
Mike Dickson wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 14:48 +, Melanie wrote:
>> Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would
Mike Dickson wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 14:48 +, Melanie wrote:
>> Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get
>> people's opinions on moving forward with deprecating the old
>> servers, not people's opinions on the obvious need for documentation.
>>
>> Further, if t
a extended period of a lot of refactoring and
> >> rapid changes. I think now is the time to slow the changes down a bit
> and
> >> take a bit of time to reflect on things and test them and get any new
> bugs
> >> out of the system.
> >>
> >> --- On
the wiki
>> to allow others running grids to be able to change. After a half dozen
>> different grids have adopted the notion of BUST and determined it is not
>> busted, then we could consider deprecating our existing UGAIM.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
nd test them and get any new bugs
> out of the system.
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/7/09, Charles Krinke * wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Krinke
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Date:
sting UGAIM.
Charles
From: Melanie
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:13:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
B.U.S.T. is Basic Universal Server Technology. The prompt can be
changed in the configuration
ST'
> notion and report success before we move forward in considering in obsoleting
> our existing grid server executables.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Sean Dague
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Wednesd
: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:13:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
B.U.S.T. is Basic Universal Server Technology. The prompt can be
changed in the configuration file, though, for those without a sense
of humor. I fully expect things
os.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:04:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
Melanie wrote:
> The CB version we have in trunk is another implementation of similar
> concepts. It has some hooks for some features, which were neve
B.U.S.T. is Basic Universal Server Technology. The prompt can be
changed in the configuration file, though, for those without a sense
of humor. I fully expect things to get renamed before 1.0. On the
other hand, the server is named OpenSim.Server.exe, no body parts there!
As soon as connectors
Melanie wrote:
> The CB version we have in trunk is another implementation of similar
> concepts. It has some hooks for some features, which were never
> implemented, that the new system doesn't have yet, but the modular
> system make them entirely possible.
>
> At this point, the CB in trunk i
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 14:48 +, Melanie wrote:
> Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get
> people's opinions on moving forward with deprecating the old
> servers, not people's opinions on the obvious need for documentation.
>
> Further, if the old servers are kept,
>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____
>> From: Melanie
>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:48:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
&g
nie
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:48:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>
> Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get
> people's op
From: Melanie
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:48:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get
people'
g proposed.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Melanie
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:28:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>
> Documentation is on
> Charles
>
>
>
> __
> From: Justin Clark-Casey
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:51:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetSe
-1. Lets not remove any existing OpenSim servers.
Lets *start* with some documentation so we know what is being proposed.
Charles
From: Melanie
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:28:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate
ow folks can
> configure and use it.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Justin Clark-Casey
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:51:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.Inv
+1 also. We need some wiki documentation for BUST to describe how folks can
configure and use it.
Charles
From: Justin Clark-Casey
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:51:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate
Cristina Videira Lopes wrote:
> What is BUST?
> Also, is there already documentation about the new server shell? We need
> to document it before retiring the old servers. I'd do it, but I'm
> completely out of context these days, so it won't happen [on my side]
> for another couple of weeks.
+1
.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
>>> boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 1:32 PM
>>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>>> Subject: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
>>> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServ
s.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
>> boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie
>> Sent: den 7 juli 2009 22:32
>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
>> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>>
>> Hi all,
opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
> boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie
> Sent: den 7 juli 2009 22:32
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Subject: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>
> Hi all,
; boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie
>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 1:32 PM
>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and
>> OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> we
The protocols remain the same, correct?
Adam
> -Original Message-
> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
> boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 1:32 PM
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Subject: [Open
Hi all,
we now have B.U.S.T., which runs the code that was originally in the
asset and inventory servers. The asset server is new, from scratch,
while the inventory server runs a port of the old code, courtesy of
Diva, who translated it to in and out connectors.
This means that the old standal
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