Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot play audio cd

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Carlos Alberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Solaris Nevada b28 on my laptop. Sound is working using xmms with an MP3 file. But cannot play audio CD. Tried to use grip and it says No Disc. Vold is active. What is wrong ? What device should I tell grip to use ? Programs that by

[osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Felix Schulte
Can someone please update http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4113420 ? 1. The bug should be closed as WONTFIX as Sun seems to have lost interest in upgrading /usr/bin/ksh to ksh93 2. If no one objects I am going to file a EOL request to get /usr/bin/ksh removed in future

Re: OpenSolairis a choice for the government desktop? // Re: [osol-discuss] KDE, GNOME, etc.

2006-01-09 Thread Felix Schulte
On 12/19/05, Shantnu Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Felix, Thanks for the heads up and thanks for your participation in the open solaris community. I was wondering if you can point me to documentation which dwells upon the German Government's propensity to favor KDE. Sorry for being late

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Casper . Dik
Can someone please update http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4113420 ? 1. The bug should be closed as WONTFIX as Sun seems to have lost interest in upgrading /usr/bin/ksh to ksh93 We cannot upgrade /bin/ksh because ksh93 is *not* compatible with ksh88. 2. If no one

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris and SSH

2006-01-09 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:13, Mike Bo wrote: Darren wrote: Why not ? Why can't OpenSolaris just be as quick as OpenBSD ? When there is a problem with OpenSSH, does the Sun team investigate whether it affects their forked code base? If so, don't they have to port the fix and then do

Re: [osol-discuss] Logging

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all I want my kernel module to display messages on console There is an example in manual page of cmn_err: /* display device power failure on system console */ 22 if ((xsp-regp-csr POWER) == OFF) 23 cmn_err(CE_NOTE, ^OFF., 24

Re: [osol-discuss] New Community Proposal: Appliances

2006-01-09 Thread Phil Harman
My general preference for disk-based appliances would be the same (i.e. install it all, use SMF to determine what happens, make robust booting a reality). However, now that flash memory is so cheap, I do think we should also look at solid state boot configs built around a lightweight,

Re: [osol-discuss] New Community Proposal: Appliances

2006-01-09 Thread Casper . Dik
My general preference for disk-based appliances would be the same (i.e. install it all, use SMF to determine what happens, make robust booting a reality). However, now that flash memory is so cheap, I do think we should also look at solid state boot configs built around a lightweight,

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not integrate the current Korn shell as /usr/sbin/ksh93? Replacing /usr/bin/ksh is just not an option; the list of known incompatibilities stretches over many pages. Looks like you did forget that there is no ksh88 compliant /usr/bin/ksh. If Sun does not

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Casper . Dik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not integrate the current Korn shell as /usr/sbin/ksh93? Replacing /usr/bin/ksh is just not an option; the list of known incompatibilities stretches over many pages. Looks like you did forget that there is no ksh88 compliant /usr/bin/ksh. No; that's not what I

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replacing /usr/bin/ksh is just not an option; the list of known incompatibilities stretches over many pages. Looks like you did forget that there is no ksh88 compliant /usr/bin/ksh. No; that's not what I said. I said that /bin/ksh is not compatible with ksh93

Re: [osol-discuss] New Community Proposal: Appliances

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Phil Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My general preference for disk-based appliances would be the same (i.e. install it all, use SMF to determine what happens, make robust booting a reality). However, now that flash memory is so cheap, I do think we should also look at solid state boot

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Casper . Dik
/usr/bin/ksh being a bastard version of ksh88 adds a *SIGNIFICANT* **BURDEN* for people who develop and ship software. Every shell script needs to be back ported to ksh88 to support Solaris. And I personally think this cannot be tolerated anymore. It costs immense manpower just to support Sun's

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread I. Szczesniak
On 1/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many ways format, but from Sun's perspective none include replacing ksh with ksh93. Is this the OFFICIAL position of Sun Microsystems? Irek ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
I. Szczesniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many ways format, but from Sun's perspective none include replacing ksh with ksh93. Is this the OFFICIAL position of Sun Microsystems? This has been discussed earlier As long as Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread I. Szczesniak
On 1/9/06, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I. Szczesniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Sun Solaris is changed to use ksh93 for /bin/ksh the same way as other OpenSolaris distributions do caused by the fact that there is no ksh88 compliant ksh source. Speaking

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Casper . Dik
On 1/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many ways format, but from Sun's perspective none include replacing ksh with ksh93. Is this the OFFICIAL position of Sun Microsystems? Why do you think I have an official position of any kind? There are always exceptions and

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Brendan Gregg
G'Day Folks, On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Felix Schulte wrote: [...] 3. /usr/dt/bin/dtksh should not be listed as workaround - this version of ksh93 is based on a alpha version of the Korn shell - which should have never been shipped with a production OS due too many bugs and problems according to

Re: [osol-discuss] Logging

2006-01-09 Thread James Carlson
Sh writes: Hello all I want my kernel module to display messages on console There is an example in manual page of cmn_err: /* display device power failure on system console */ 22 if ((xsp-regp-csr POWER) == OFF) 23 cmn_err(CE_NOTE, ^OFF., 24

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Brendan Gregg wrote: How about the dtksh source be bundeled with OpenSolaris, so that all the dtksh fans can pitch in and fix a few of those alpha bugs. :-) (assuming I'm not the only dtksh fan). dtksh is part of the CDE sources, for which there are no plans to release at this time

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread James Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many ways format, but from Sun's perspective none include replacing ksh with ksh93. Is this the OFFICIAL position of Sun Microsystems? Why do you think I have an official position of any kind? It

Re: [osol-discuss] There is no such thing as being (in)compatible with OpenSolaris (was: Please update 4113420, etc...)

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... likes to become incompatible with OpenSolaris. In my not so humble opinion, the concept of OpenSolaris compliant or OpenSolaris compatible is non-existent. (That's not to say I think that's good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Mike Kupfer
Felix == Felix Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Felix Can someone please update Felix http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4113420 Felix ? Felix 1. The bug should be closed as WONTFIX as Sun seems to have lost Felix interest in upgrading /usr/bin/ksh to ksh93 Eh? That's

Re: [osol-discuss] New Community Proposal: Appliances

2006-01-09 Thread Bart Smaalders
James Dickens wrote: I agree that this is needed, and I think the first project would be an RFE to make ZFS + samba as easy as ZFS + NFS is today, so that solaris intergrates as well with the M$ world as it does with Linux/Unix. James Dickens uadmin.blogspot.com Hear hear... I built my new

[osol-discuss] Re: Sun Contributor Agreement questions

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew
Stephen Harpster wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I'll go ask one. What did the lawyer say? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Casper . Dik
Various people, though, may have positions. I agree with Casper that the best way forward is to develop a transition that breaks nothing that anyone would ever notice. At least with my ARC hat on, I'd be more than willing to listen to arguments that one or another bit of breakage is not

Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot play audio cd

2006-01-09 Thread Jason W
GRIP is an audio ripper that uses CDParanoia as a backend (by default). It works pretty well for damaged audio discs as it can try to extract the damaged data or figure it out and smooth over the pops and clicks. Sadly, I've never tried to use Joerg's utilities for this purpose so I can't

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris and SSH

2006-01-09 Thread Mike Bo
That's cool... congrats. So, erm..what does that mean? Are you ^trying^ to be snotty or is that a point. Honestly, how can you read a negative tone into a three-word sentence when two of the words are positive? You must be projecting... It's pretty darn easy these days to guess the OS. I

[osol-discuss] Solaris 10 on a PowerPC 32 and/or 64-bit

2006-01-09 Thread Robert Cole
I desperately need Solaris 10 with Portage for the PPC . I hate X86 platform and Sparc hardware is way to pricey.Sparc's and PPC chips are RISC by arch design in theory it should be relitively simple, grant it they are 32 instrution chips the problem is it's unclear weather the instrutions are

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Mac
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those scripts, aren't they generally run with /bin/sh and not ksh? Or did you change them to use ksh? Nothing's changed, but those which happen to use ksh seem to be okay -- they include (albeit non-packaging related) the scripts in /boot/solaris/bin/. I'm worried

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 on a PowerPC 32 and/or 64-bit

2006-01-09 Thread James C. McPherson
Robert Cole wrote: I desperately need Solaris 10 with Portage for the PPC . I hate X86 platform and Sparc hardware is way to pricey.Sparc's and PPC chips are RISC by arch design in theory it should be relitively simple, grant it they are 32 instrution chips the problem is it's unclear weather

Re: [osol-discuss] Ideas for Recognition to Build Reputation

2006-01-09 Thread James Carlson
Glynn Foster writes: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:34 -0500, James Carlson wrote: I still think it looks rather cheesy. First of all, there's the plain old clutter problem. I wasn't thrilled with the excess of the CDDL language (the original two-line copyright notice, though slightly

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Ideas for Recognition to Build Reputation

2006-01-09 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Young Joo Song wrote: We are 7 months into the project now, we are entering a new year, and I think it's time start recognizing community members who are contributing and participating in OpenSolaris. I was curious about this topic for some time, and one of the most favored ways for

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 on a PowerPC 32 and/or 64-bit

2006-01-09 Thread Bill Rushmore
I desperately need Solaris 10 with Portage for the PPC . I hate X86 platform and Sparc hardware is way to pricey.Sparc's and PPC chips are RISC by arch design in theory it should be relitively simple, grant it they are 32 instrution chips the problem is it's unclear weather the instrutions

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 on a PowerPC 32 and/or 64-bit

2006-01-09 Thread Dave Marquardt
Robert == Robert Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert I desperately need Solaris 10 with Portage for the PPC . I Robert hate X86 platform and Sparc hardware is way to pricey.Sparc's Robert and PPC chips are RISC by arch design in theory it should be Robert relitively simple, grant it they are 32

Re: [osol-discuss] Ideas for Recognition to Build Reputation

2006-01-09 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Christopher Mahan wrote: Jim, how about giving them a @opensolaris.org email address? I know some people that treasure their @apache.org addy. Humm. This is interesting. I seem to remember this coming up with the early governance discussions (either in the pilot or afterwards). I'll check.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 on a PowerPC 32 and/or 64-bit

2006-01-09 Thread Torrey McMahon
James C. McPherson wrote: As for with portage -- I've got no idea. What is portage anyway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portage_(software) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Alan Hargreaves
James Carlson wrote: Mac writes: To make matters worse, inetd-related services require Sun's /bin/ksh to work because libc's wordexp() has intimate relationship with Sun's ksh. Intimate, to be sure, but I think it might actually be 'wrong' in some respects. For those who have appropriate

[osol-discuss] Re: Cannot play audio cd

2006-01-09 Thread Carlos Alberto
I´ll try this command. But what does DAE stand for ? What does cdda2wav do ? Sorry I am not an sound expert. Today I tried to use xmcd from solaris companion CD. It recognized CD media, started playing but sound did not come out. Carlos Roballo. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Felix Schulte
On 1/9/06, Brendan Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'Day Folks, On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Felix Schulte wrote: [...] 3. /usr/dt/bin/dtksh should not be listed as workaround - this version of ksh93 is based on a alpha version of the Korn shell - which should have never been shipped with a

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Felix Schulte
On 1/9/06, Mike Kupfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Felix == Felix Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Felix Can someone please update Felix http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4113420 Felix ? Felix 1. The bug should be closed as WONTFIX as Sun seems to have lost Felix

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Felix Schulte wrote: James... several YEARS ago someone from our university ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) already created a quite painless ksh88-to-ksh93 migration plan (including a detailed list of issues which need to be solved) for Solaris and send the proposal to Sun, however Sun did not had any

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Richard Lowe
Felix Schulte wrote: [snip] And you do not have to think through - somewhere one or more of your engineers have Roland Mainz's ksh88-to-ksh93 migration plan which is pretty much straightforward and handled most of the issues. However, the rest of us on this alias don't. Perhaps you could

Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot play audio cd

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
frits vanderlinden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Carlos Alberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Solaris Nevada b28 on my laptop. Sound is working using xmms with an MP3 file. But cannot play audio CD. Tried to use grip and it says No Disc. Vold is active.

Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot play audio cd

2006-01-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jason W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GRIP is an audio ripper that uses CDParanoia as a backend (by default). It works pretty well for damaged audio discs as it can try to extract the damaged data or figure it out and smooth over the pops and clicks. Sadly, I've never tried to use Joerg's

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Mike Kupfer
Felix == Felix Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike The information I have (which is a few weeks old) is that there Mike are plans to introduce /usr/bin/ksh93 in the next few months. Felix Ohhh... same was said for Solaris 9. Nothing happened since Felix then. I have long lost my faith that

[osol-discuss] Community Proposals (temporary process)

2006-01-09 Thread Jim Grisanzio
My last mail on this issue confused some people. Probably because my last mail was wrong. Sorry about that. I'll get it right sometime. Bev was correct to point to the CAB's governance draft as a reference: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/governance_proposal/#Communities But some

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris and SSH

2006-01-09 Thread Mike Bo
Hi Darren - Why is it that knowing that it is OpenSSH at a specific version and patch level is okay but knowing that it is Sun's specific version and patch level is not ? One of the most important pieces of information a hacker can have is the OS flavor and version of a remote host. Armed

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Tao Chen
On 1/9/06, Felix Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea of a /usr/bin/ksh93 is very bad as it does not solve theissue with interoperability between Unix and Linux OSes - remember myexample with using ksh as login shell on Solaris vs AI vs Linux.I think the Wikipedia article about the Korn Shell

[osol-discuss] Re: Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Bob Palowoda
Just FYI, NexentaOS uses ksh93 for /bin/ksh and we haven't seen any breakages so far; this includes executing the class action (and related) scripts of SUNW-converted packages. Note that we build things (from the ground up) using packaging infrastructure (as opposed to using bfu