Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Casper . Dik
On 8/22/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 17:34 -0400, Brandorr wrote: I am putting together an x96 server, and almost every component I look at isn't listed on the HCL. (I'd prefer not to shop from the HCL) Is there a list of what has been tested and

[osol-discuss] proposal to add Nigel Smith as a core contributor to Opensolaris storage community

2007-08-22 Thread Aaron Dailey
I'd like to propose Nigel Smith to be a core contributor in the Opensolaris storage community. I've been impressed by his aid to the community especially around iSCSI. The voting procedures are here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/governance/ We need a consensus vote - three total

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread David Lloyd
Ian et al, [trying again] AMD/nVidia motherboards and graphics are a safe bet. I've built quite a few systems with this combination, including QuadFX and all the components just work. I'm currently using a: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3l2=11l3=534l4=0model=1637modelmenu=1 ...or

[osol-discuss] SDM downloads, was Re[2]: sol-nv-b70-x86-dvd-iso zip files failed to

2007-08-22 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello W., Sunday, August 19, 2007, 1:23:39 AM, you wrote: but it won't unzip those parts first. WWL SDM will automatically do the unzipping. I wish that with Solaris/OpenSolaris ISO files it would also combine them in one file... -- Best regards, Robert Milkowski

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the second approach is based on the wrong asumption that UDF is always the best choice. Sometimes you have to recognize that good enough is just as good as (or even better than) perfect :) I did explain why it is not good enough. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Tim Scanlon
The problem is not really just with Adobe Acrobat, it's also with the rest of their product line. They have a great history of shooting themselves in the foot with their own market. I have seen many, many content publishing companies go through all sorts of grief with Adobe over software

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 08:27 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/22/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 17:34 -0400, Brandorr wrote: I am putting together an x96 server, and almost every component I look at isn't listed on the HCL. (I'd prefer not to shop

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Tim Scanlon
I've had good results with Tyan boards, with Opterons on them. The speeds I've seen on them have been outstanding. Multi-cpu systems worked out of the box with them too. It's sort of important to look at what a manufacturer has been doing in the past with multi-cpu systems now that multi-core

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Casper . Dik
Yeap, if it is a complete Intel setup, I've yet to see anyone have any problems. Although cheering for the underdog (AMD) is a nice thing to do, ultimately it is difficult to purchase from a company who refuses to work with the OpenSolaris community to improve hardware support, both processor,

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Darren J Moffat
I think the key thing here isn't that we don't have Adobe's reader but that there are things lacking in the reader that we do ship (that the Adobe reader does have). Things I am aware of are: * Fill in forms support * Markup/Collab - this one got me when someone sent design review comments

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread James Carlson
Aaron Wilson writes: I found this thread via google. If I can do that then by chance some Did you find the other lengthy threads about Acroread and Solaris via google? We've discussed this many times over. The discussion results in the venting of many opinions, but no actual results. Some

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Casper . Dik
The problem is with bringing this thread up again ... and again ... and again. Talking about it here is not likely to help, because we're at best the choir. It's Adobe that needs to get the message. Yes but we should also realize that the majority of people on the Net or generally any forum

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is with bringing this thread up again ... and again ... and again. Talking about it here is not likely to help, because we're at best the choir. It's Adobe that needs to get the message. I cary this message to Adobe on every fair I attend

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
Joerg Schilling wrote: I cary this message to Adobe on every fair I attend since the last 4+ years. I tell them that Adobe is not viable any more and that PDF in whole is no longer trusworthy. This is because Adobe does not support all platforms anymore. If we did _all_ do the same, Adbobe

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Martin Bochnig
Martin Bochnig wrote: Because Adobe's promise of a *Portable*-DF is not true any longer, since they only support WinNT_x86 / Linux_x86 and maybe Mac{ppc|x86} users for circa 5 years now. All the other platforms are left out, more or less. The market will judge them, earlier or later, their

Re: [osol-discuss] proposal to add Nigel Smith as a core contributor to Opensolaris storage community

2007-08-22 Thread Tom Haynes
Aaron Dailey wrote: I'd like to propose Nigel Smith to be a core contributor in the Opensolaris storage community. I've been impressed by his aid to the community especially around iSCSI. The voting procedures are here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/governance/ We need a

[osol-discuss] Intercept clock_gettime in solaris/sparc

2007-08-22 Thread dauglas
Hi Gurus, I was trying to intercept the syscall clock_gettime in solaris kernel these days, but I failed. I did my job in a Ultrasparc with solaris9 installed. Having read the source code, I knew that clock_gettime enters into kernel via the fast trap, with the trap # 0x27. From the kernel

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Hugh McIntyre
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:03 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mountable filesystem types might not all show the same content. This is why it makes sense to mount everything. Is that what the other three dominating OSes do?

Re: [osol-discuss] SDM downloads, was Re[2]: sol-nv-b70-x86-dvd-iso zip files failed to

2007-08-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Hello W., Sunday, August 19, 2007, 1:23:39 AM, you wrote: but it won't unzip those parts first. WWL SDM will automatically do the unzipping. I wish that with Solaris/OpenSolaris ISO files it would also combine them in one file... -- Best regards, Robert Milkowski

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: I did explain why it is not good enough. You explained why UDF will be the wrong choice for making such disks - but we're talking about mounting an existing disk here, so if the disk has a UDF file system, it obviously can't have any files so big they don't fit on UDF?

Re: [osol-discuss] proposal to add Nigel Smith as a core contributor to Opensolaris storage community

2007-08-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Aaron Dailey wrote: I'd like to propose Nigel Smith to be a core contributor in the Opensolaris storage community. I've been impressed by his aid to the community especially around iSCSI. The voting procedures are here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/governance/ We need a

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Server on nv_69

2007-08-22 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I am trying to build a java server on my hp dv9000z notebook running nv_69 (soon to upgrade to nv-70b when the respin comes out). The purpose is to practice the examples included in the Core JavaServer Faces book by David Geary and Cay Horstmann. Any suggestions? Or where is the

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: I did explain why it is not good enough. You explained why UDF will be the wrong choice for making such disks - but we're talking about mounting an existing disk here, so if the disk has a UDF file system, it obviously can't

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: I did explain why it is not good enough. You explained why UDF will be the wrong choice for making such disks - but we're talking about mounting an existing disk here, so if the disk has a UDF file

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Casper . Dik
Joerg Schilling wrote: I did explain why it is not good enough. You explained why UDF will be the wrong choice for making such disks - but we're talking about mounting an existing disk here, so if the disk has a UDF file system, it obviously can't have any files so big they don't fit on UDF?

[osol-discuss] http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/ appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears...

2007-08-22 Thread Roland Mainz
Hi! Does anyone know what may currently be wrong with http://src.opensolaris.org/ ? New sources like http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/ are sometimes available, sometimes they disappear, then they appear again and then they disappear again

Re: [osol-discuss] http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libs hell/common/ appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears.

2007-08-22 Thread Dennis Clarke
Hi! Does anyone know what may currently be wrong with http://src.opensolaris.org/ ? New sources like http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/ are sometimes available, sometimes they disappear, then they appear again and then they disappear

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ... ] Anyway, the original problem I ran into is a simpler one: that hsfs will detect a filesystem as hsfs without then also wanting to mount it. That, of course, won't do. Casper Thanks for bringing it back to the topic :) Can anyone

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, we're discussing media sizes which we have not heard of; and the speed of progress for optical media is not all that great. CD: 1982 600MB/740MB DVD: 1995(?)4.7GB - 8.5GB (dual layer) (25% increase year over year) HD/Blu-ray 2006(?)

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 20:23 +0100, Frank Hofmann wrote: Now how to find out whether a medium doesn't allow writes ... another problem, but again, workaround would be to simply mount all multiple detections - but all readonly. That sounds like the right answer if the disk slices overlap

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Can anyone actually come up with reasons why HAL should not simply mount all filesystem types found on such a medium, onto different mountpoints (/media/hsfsmnt, /media/udfsmnt, ... ?) ? I think that's been explained (more than once) earlier: it's not the least surprise behavior and will

Re: [osol-discuss] http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/ appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears..

2007-08-22 Thread Mike Kupfer
New sources ... are sometimes available, sometimes they disappear, then they appear again and then they disappear again (and putting links to these sources There might be some sort of problem with the internal mirroring and load balancing software. You'll probably get better results asking

Re: [osol-discuss] http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/ appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears... appears... disappears..

2007-08-22 Thread Stephen Lau
Roland Mainz wrote: Hi! Does anyone know what may currently be wrong with http://src.opensolaris.org/ ? New sources like http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/ are sometimes available, sometimes they disappear, then they appear again and

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Frank Hofmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone actually come up with reasons why HAL should not simply mount all filesystem types found on such a medium, onto different mountpoints (/media/hsfsmnt, /media/udfsmnt, ... ?) ? This ha sbeen discussed before and Artem seems to have problems

[osol-discuss] What about SIGs for OpenSolaris?

2007-08-22 Thread Darren . Reed
What is a SIG? Special Interest Group. Why should we consider SIGs for OpenSolaris? At present the only level of abstraction that we have in the OpenSolaris community is that of communities. We have communities for high level concepts (networking) and for very specific products (zfs) as well

[osol-discuss] Bug ID : 6470071 - Studio compiler wrapper ksh script fails with syntax errors intermittently

2007-08-22 Thread Dennis Clarke
RE: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6470071 and http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-1-6470071-1 is there any way to get just a wee bit more information from that? - Bug ID: 6470071 Synopsis:

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 13:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeap, if it is a complete Intel setup, I've yet to see anyone have any problems. Although cheering for the underdog (AMD) is a nice thing to do, ultimately it is difficult to purchase from a company who refuses to work with the

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 14:20 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is with bringing this thread up again ... and again ... and again. Talking about it here is not likely to help, because we're at best the choir. It's Adobe that needs to get the

Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 14:33 +0200, Martin Bochnig wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: I cary this message to Adobe on every fair I attend since the last 4 + years. I tell them that Adobe is not viable any more and that PDF in whole is no longer trusworthy. This is because Adobe does not

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 09:23 -0700, Hugh McIntyre wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:03 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mountable filesystem types might not all show the same content. This is why it makes sense to mount

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Server on nv_69

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 10:28 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I am trying to build a java server on my hp dv9000z notebook running nv_69 (soon to upgrade to nv-70b when the respin comes out). The purpose is to practice the examples included in the Core JavaServer Faces book by David

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread ian
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: Hmm, I'd say that more correctly, AMD has failed to step up and taken ownership of ATI; they've bought them in terms of a transaction but the management there are pussy-footing around the edge by refusing to by their foot down and say, this is what you (at ati) are

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 13:07 +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner writes: Hmm, I'd say that more correctly, AMD has failed to step up and taken ownership of ATI; they've bought them in terms of a transaction but the management there are pussy-footing around the edge by refusing

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 17:54 -0700, Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Even I'm sure you've put some special meaning in this word, but it's not obvious what it is, given the context of this conversation. with Data/Audio, it doens't work properly on Solaris - for instance, one of the cd's I

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-22 Thread Brandorr
On 8/22/07, Tim Scanlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had good results with Tyan boards, with Opterons on them. The speeds I've seen on them have been outstanding. Multi-cpu systems worked out of the box with them too. I've heard got things about Tyan and AMD. (I have an old ASUS SK8N

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Server on nv_69

2007-08-22 Thread Dennis Clarke
1. Are you saying that it's OK to install nv_70 (in light of the all the difficulties Dennis mentioned)? Dennis is just being Dennis; I haven't noticed any of the problems he has mentioned - and I'm so vanilla in my setup, it isn't funny. If there was a major issue, it would have been

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Actually I have submitted a bug - and waiting for it to be fixed. Great. http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6580744 Hmm, the responsible engineer marked it Incomplete:Need More Info, which means he won't look at it until someone provides the missing info. Unfortunately the

[osol-discuss] Cannot download SXCE snv_70

2007-08-22 Thread Gueven Bay
Hello, I wanted to download SXCE snv_70 and went to this thread : http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=147164tstart=0#147164 But after clicking on the CD download link I get this message at the Download site: The product you requested is not available at this time.

Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot download SXCE snv_70

2007-08-22 Thread Dennis Clarke
Hello, try : http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b70-x86-SP-G-BTransactionId=try see links at http://www.blastwave.org/docs/OpenSolaris/index.html Dennis Clarke ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot download SXCE snv_70

2007-08-22 Thread Gueven Bay
And from the Download Center (http://www.sun.com/download/) - Solaris Operating Systems (http://www.sun.com/download/index.jsp?cat=Operating%20Systemstab=3subcat=Solaris%20Operating%20Systems) - Solaris Express Developer Edition (http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/get.jsp)

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Server on nv_69

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 22:57 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote: 1. Are you saying that it's OK to install nv_70 (in light of the all the difficulties Dennis mentioned)? Dennis is just being Dennis; I haven't noticed any of the problems he has mentioned - and I'm so vanilla in my setup, it

Re: [osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: snv_70 odd behavior]

2007-08-22 Thread Irene Huang
Hi, Artem We tried with a couple of CDs, and could not reproduce the bug. We suspect that this bug can only be reproduced with the specific CD. --Irene Harry Lu wrote: Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
Hi, Sorry to top post - but this occurs on every cd which is mixed data/audio. I have several of them; Nick Cave The Bad Seeds - Abbotoir Blues/Lyre of Orpheus, Ben Harper - Both Sides of the Gun, Blind Boys of Alabama. No errors occur on any of the other cds I have ripped. Matthew On Wed,

Re: [osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: snv_70 odd behavior]

2007-08-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
We tried with a couple of CDs, and could not reproduce the bug. We suspect that this bug can only be reproduced with the specific CD. Were your couple of CDs hybrid data and audio? Matthew claims it happens on every hybrid he tried. -Artem ___

Re: [osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: snv_70 odd behavior]

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 22:35 -0700, Artem Kachitchkine wrote: We tried with a couple of CDs, and could not reproduce the bug. We suspect that this bug can only be reproduced with the specific CD. Were your couple of CDs hybrid data and audio? Matthew claims it happens on every hybrid he

Re: [osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: snv_70 odd behavior]

2007-08-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
The issue is that it doesn't occur with Grip - if it doesn't occur with grip, which uses cdda2wav, and yet, occurs with Soundjuicer, then something isn't quite kosher as to how soundjuicer interacts with the cd drive. It occurs with all hybrid cds when ripping with Soundjuicer and yet,

Re: [osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: snv_70 odd behavior]

2007-08-22 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 22:46 -0700, Artem Kachitchkine wrote: The issue is that it doesn't occur with Grip - if it doesn't occur with grip, which uses cdda2wav, and yet, occurs with Soundjuicer, then something isn't quite kosher as to how soundjuicer interacts with the cd drive. It

Re: [osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: snv_70 odd behavior]

2007-08-22 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Question: with the loss of paranoia support, are we going to see a release in the future which will provide support for error correction? with ripping and Soundjuicer, will it be possible to keep ripping even after an artifact is found in the ripping - aka an error due to a small scratch,