[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-06-11 Thread Karsten Hashimoto
JDS was meant to be a Java Desktop System wasn't it ? So, I would suggest to go with www.jpedal.org and build a nice Java PDF Viewer that finally runs on each and every system. I'm using it on various Solaris boxes and it works already sufficiently well. To test it unpack the archive to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2007-06-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
[I've cc'ed desktop-discuss, where conversations about desktop tools will actually be seen by the people working on them, unlike opensolaris-discuss] Karsten Hashimoto wrote: JDS was meant to be a Java Desktop System wasn't it ? Not really - that was just a name chosen when Java was added

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-06-03 Thread Joerg Schilling
David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The day when I hear geeks say, why would I want to run Linux when I can run Solaris, have a great desktop, and all those awesome mainstream applications, then Solaris has made progress - until then, Solaris will remain the red headed step

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-06-03 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, I started compiling things, all nice, started to compile Xorg 7.1 and it failed to compile; Strange - it's always compiled for me with Studio compilers. I test with gcc occasionally, but there's enough other people

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-06-03 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, I started compiling things, all nice, started to compile Xorg 7.1 and it failed to compile; Strange - it's always compiled for me with Studio compilers. I test with gcc

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-06-01 Thread Tao Chen
On 5/31/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote: Weird. You see this on all sorts of hardware including dual core machines. What kind of hardware are you seeing this on now? Intel 945PSN motherboard Intel 805 Pentium D processor eVGA

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-06-01 Thread Bob Palowoda
Matt Ingenthron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: No Solaris x86 ? Are we able to perhaps influence this to have more up to date software options ? I for one have posted to their user forum, asking for a recompile to x86. I suggest all interested parties

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: As a desktop, the lag is terrible, I'm using a Radeon X300/550 sitting on a PCIe; all lovely-jubbly - running FreeBSD, my desktop with KDE is 'teh snappy' (to coin a Mac phrase), but when it comes to using the default Xorg with Solaris 10 01/06 (which is 6.8.2), coupled

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 30, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: Feel the love. -Shawn And with that fine message from Shawn, I'd like to propose an end of thread. This conversation isn't productive, scares the living crap out of me each time I start writing the OpenSolaris weekly

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 30, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: Feel the love. -Shawn And with that fine message from Shawn, I'd like to propose an end of thread. This conversation isn't productive, scares the living crap out of me each

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 30, 2006, at 9:47 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Personally, I'd love for Solaris x86 to get to the point where we aren't bitching about hardware support or lack of ISV's, but instead complaining about how we're *TOO* productive with Solaris, and how there are too many software and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Darren J Moffat
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Hence the reason I don't believe Sun has EVER talked to Adobe over this You have no proof of that what so ever. Quite frankly you are being troll, please go away and troll elsewhere instead of winding us all up and filling up our mailboxes. Some of us follow this

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread gheet
David J. Orman wrote: On May 30, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: Feel the love. -Shawn And with that fine message from Shawn, I'd like to propose an end of thread. This conversation isn't productive, scares the living crap out of me each time I start writing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 30, 2006, at 9:47 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Personally, I'd love for Solaris x86 to get to the point where we aren't bitching about hardware support or lack of ISV's, but instead complaining about how we're *TOO* productive with Solaris,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, gheet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David J. Orman wrote: On May 30, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: Feel the love. -Shawn And with that fine message from Shawn, I'd like to propose an end of thread. This conversation isn't productive, scares the living crap out

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
It would be nice to hear a 'this is what we're working on in the way of hardware support - then atleast whiners like me can say, hey, it'll be around soon, they're working on it now . It's been said a dozen times, use the search function of your email client (or the forums..) The

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Hence the reason I don't believe Sun has EVER talked to Adobe over thisYou have no proof of that what so ever.Quite frankly you are beingtroll, please go away and troll elsewhere instead of winding us all up and filling up

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 30, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, lets assume we go free software and free love - someone has to create this software - and with 5000 employees given the sack at Sun, wouldn't of it been bettter to direct those 5000 (lets assume 1,000 were programmers) or so to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread gheet
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, lets assume we go free software and free love - someone has to create this software - and with 5000 employees given the sack at Sun, wouldn't of it been bettter to direct those 5000 (lets assume 1,000 were programmers) or so to put together a decent Adobe

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: honestly, how many companies would turn down free money? Pretty much every responsibly run company will, if they feel they can get a better return for investing their time resources elsewhere. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, I started compiling things, all nice, started to compile Xorg 7.1 and it failed to compile; Strange - it's always compiled for me with Studio compilers. I test with gcc occasionally, but there's enough other people testing that works on Linux that I don't do it

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Stephen Potter
Bruce Riddle wrote: Acrobat should be as uqbiquitous as power for a desktop computer. It is just plain bullshit that a contemporary version of reader is not available for Solaris x86. I don't think there's any disagreement that everyone here wants Acrobat ported to X86. Sun needs to drive

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Stephen Potter
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: What Sun wants are millions of developers to port to Solaris x86 out of the goodness of their own heart - newsflash, the world doens't work that way, people port when either they see the possibility of cash rolling in, or when the CEO pays a visit to pay for the porting.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: It would be nice to hear a 'this is what we're working on in the way of hardware support - then atleast whiners like me can say, hey, it'll be around soon, they're working on it now . A quick look at the x86 HCL (and how much it has been growing)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Glenn Weinberg
Rich Teer wrote: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Solaris/OpenSolaris - OpenSolaris "as an official distribution" hasn't been released yet; it'll be interesting to actually see if OpenSolaris turns into Solaris is, to all intents and purposes, Sun's distro

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Glenn Weinberg wrote: Sorry to contradict, but Solaris *Express* is Sun's distro of the OpenSolaris code. Solaris 10 and its Updates are *not* direct distributions of OpenSolaris, but rather are essentially backports of selected OpenSolaris code. You are correct, of

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 6/1/06, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, I started compiling things, all nice, started to compile Xorg 7.1 and it failed to compile;Strange - it's always compiled for me with Studio compilers. I testwith gcc occasionally, but there's enough other people

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: I built it off the cvsweb tree, damn, I should have remembered which module it stuffed up in, anyway, it stopped compiling, and basically I was at the end of my teather - unfortunately I have very limited patience when things like that occur; if it doesn't work, I simply

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 6/1/06, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: I built it off the cvsweb tree, damn, I should have remembered which module it stuffed up in, anyway, it stopped compiling, and basically I was at the end of my teather - unfortunately I have very limited patience when

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, gheet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, lets assume we go free software and free love - someone has to create this software - and with 5000 employees given the sack at Sun, wouldn't of it been bettter to direct those 5000 (lets assume 1,000 were programmers) or so

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Sunday 28 May 2006 09:08 am, Rich Teer wrote: On Sun, 28 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Cheers. (from the patio at my parent's house using VPN over wifi;-) Which is nice, but the fact is, thats server software - I'm refering to workstation software. Exactly how is wifi server

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 31, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Xorg 6.9 performs nicely on my FreeBSD box, besides the DRI issue (which hopefully get corrected), I expect a delay due to the nature of this new, more modular approach. Same for me. We already ship 6.9.0 which was released at the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 6/1/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 28 May 2006 09:08 am, Rich Teer wrote: On Sun, 28 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Cheers. (from the patio at my parent's house using VPN over wifi;-) Which is nice, but the fact is, thats server software - I'm refering to workstation

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 6/1/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Xorg 6.9 performs nicely on my FreeBSD box, besides the DRI issue (which hopefully get corrected), I expect a delay due to the nature of this new, more modular approach.Same for me. We already

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 31, 2006, at 6:03 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: The funny part, when running CDE; there doesn't seem to be that issue to the same extent as it is with GNOME running. I thought that maybe upgrading to Xorg 7.1 would correct the issue, but it seems to be more to do with how Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 12:47 am, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Personally, I'd love for Solaris x86 to get to the point where we aren't bitching about hardware support or lack of ISV's Even if we got the point that *YOU* weren't [EMAIL PROTECTED] about it, we'd all be better off. -- Alan DuBoff

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 31, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 31 May 2006 12:47 am, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Personally, I'd love for Solaris x86 to get to the point where we aren't bitching about hardware support or lack of ISV's Even if we got the point that *YOU* weren't [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 02:45 am, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: And you know sweetcheeks, this is a GENERAL discussion; if you wish to fufil your inner desires of wishing to know the internals of the kernel, may I suggest subscribing to such lists. Yes, and let's remind ourselves that this is not a

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread Bart Smaalders
David J. Orman wrote: Unfortunately, I absolutely have to agree here. With a dualcore cpu, multiple gigs of ram, and a 7900GT (which Nvidia assured me was supported with their binary driver), Solaris was *unusable* for me as a desktop due to this lag being described. It's almost like a

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-31 Thread David J. Orman
On May 31, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote: Weird. You see this on all sorts of hardware including dual core machines. What kind of hardware are you seeing this on now? Intel 945PSN motherboard Intel 805 Pentium D processor eVGA CO Nvidia 7900GT PCI-E Video card 2 gigs of pc(6200 i

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-31 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 09:15 pm, David J. Orman wrote: +1 to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] project. Are we allowed multiple votes? Hey, I didn't realize I had a proposal going!;-) JimG how many +s do I need?;-) Seriously, I want everyone to voice their concerns and opinions to Sun, I just think

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Just a prod in the SUN direction - how about SUN releasing a stripped down video card based on the Majc processor for PC's with PCI express Sun got out of the video card business for SPARC workstations a while ago and hasn't designed or built a video card in years.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: And the Linux version has been upgraded to use GTK+, Same with the Solaris/SPARC version when Acrobat 7 was released last year. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On May 28, 2006, at 02:45, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On 5/27/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: No Solaris x86 ? Are we able to perhaps influence this to have more up to date software options ? I for one have posted to their user forum, asking for a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, all things being considered, this mailing list is nothing more than a glorified parlour game of people throwing their 5 cents worth in, and venting their frustration. All opinions are welcome here as long as they are expressed with respect for the people and the

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Potter
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So Oracle is a workstation application? Cadence and PTC Pro-Engineer are hardly what I would label as 'mainstream' software. You can't keep going around and redefining your question just because someone answered it. You asked for name 5 high profile, main stream,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Just a prod in the SUN direction - how about SUN releasing a stripped down video card based on the Majc processor for PC's with PCI express Sun got out of the video card business for SPARC workstations a while ago and hasn't designed or built a video card in years.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: And the Linux version has been upgraded to use GTK+, Same with the Solaris/SPARC version when Acrobat 7 was released last year. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Shawn Walker
Feel the love. -Shawn This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Bruce Riddle
Stephen Potter wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So Oracle is a workstation application? Cadence and PTC Pro-Engineer are hardly what I would label as 'mainstream' software. You can't keep going around and redefining your question just because someone answered it. You asked for name 5 high

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, Bruce Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Potter wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:So Oracle is a workstation application? Cadence andPTC Pro-Engineer are hardly what I would label as 'mainstream'software. You can't keep going around and redefining your question just because someone

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/30/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/30/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++ Anyone able to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread James C. McPherson
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: ... Hence the reason I don't believe Sun has EVER talked to Adobe over this Acrobat issue - honestly, how many companies would turn down free money? I mean, if Scott turned up at your door step, paid you $10million in cash, and all you had to do was port an application

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/31/06, James C. McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:... Hence the reason I don't believe Sun has EVER talked to Adobe over this Acrobat issue - honestly, how many companies would turn down free money? I mean, if Scott turned up at your door step, paid you $10million in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread James C. McPherson
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On 5/31/06, *James C. McPherson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: ... Hence the reason I don't believe Sun has EVER talked to Adobe over this Acrobat issue - honestly, how many companies would turn down free

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Glynn Foster
Shawn Walker wrote: Feel the love. -Shawn And with that fine message from Shawn, I'd like to propose an end of thread. This conversation isn't productive, scares the living crap out of me each time I start writing the OpenSolaris weekly news, and discourages people from posting value to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Gress
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Hence the reason I don't believe Sun has EVER talked to Adobe over this Acrobat issue - honestly, how many companies would turn down free money? I mean, if Scott turned up at your door step, paid you $10million in cash, and all you had to do was port an application or

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/29/06, Paul Jakma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Then the alternative is for SUN to get 10 engineers, and get them to work on an existing opensource project to bring it up to standard or create an in house version based off licencing specifications.#

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/29/06, John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:34:33PM +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: When I tried to compile I specified using the GNU ld and as - would that have made a difference? but it still doesn't explain why qt Specified how? --with-gnu-as doesn't do what you

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/29/06, Tatjana S Heuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Then the alternative is for SUN to get 10 engineers, and get them to work on an existing opensource project to bring it up to standard or create an in house version based off licencing specifications. I'm very much in

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread UNIX admin
We have gpdf, but I don't know how good it is, and ISTR something called evince (sp?) is the way forward in that arena... Not very good. xpdf renders much better, but seems to have major performance problems on Solaris. This message posted from opensolaris.org

GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-29 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So unfortunately I've migrated back to FreeBSD (again) - I would really love to run Solaris x86, but when everything I try to compile turns to shyte, one really has to ask whether the maintainers of the source are

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread Nicolas Linkert
A proprietary application that needs to run cross platform is useless. In my humble opinion it HAS to be open source - which applies to Acrobat, but also to Java etc. Only open sourcing Acrobat makes sure that all interested parties in the game can have their share. And it guaranties true

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread UNIX admin
Well, being that Solaris 11/10.1 or what have you is a matter of a year or so away - its not going to be good when the same problems are plaguing Solaris whilst the closest competitor - Linux, has already addressed the issue (ALSA) and other issues as well (DRI/DRM). Apparently you've

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-29 Thread Dennis Clarke
My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++ Anyone able to help with with that wee problem? Change this : --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread Rich Teer
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Can you point me to the translation project as to get the en_NZ translation up to scratch. Not off the top of my head (is there even a Kiwi transaltion project at the moment?), but a look arounf www.opensolaris.org should help you. And if there

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-29 Thread Rich Teer
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Nicolas Linkert wrote: A proprietary application that needs to run cross platform is useless. In my humble opinion it HAS to be open source - which applies to Acrobat, but also to Java etc. Only open sourcing Acrobat makes sure that all interested parties in the game can

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-29 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/30/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi--with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++ Anyone able to help with with that wee problem? Change this

Re: GCC Issues, was (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86)

2006-05-29 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 5/30/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My configure: ./configure --prefix=/opt/kiwi --exec-prefix=/opt/kiwi --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/kiwi/bin/as --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/opt/kiwi/bin/ld --enable-languages=c,c++ Anyone able to help with with that wee problem? Change

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Ché Kristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUN releasing a stripped down video card based on the Majc processor for PC's with PCI express buses, throw 128-256MB on the card, and sell it at a reasonable price I do wish this was a possibility, we really havent been left with much of an otion

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 May 2006 02:27 pm, Dennis Clarke wrote: We need to seriously go over to the doors of Adobe and get them to play ball. Heck, if we have to we simply tell them to hand over the code to an ISV and get it ported. Then we hand it back

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 May 2006 02:47 pm, Joerg Schilling wrote: I do this since more than three years on every fair where I see an Adobe both. I don't understand their behavior. Well, do you know that Mac almost lost support for AcroRead just prior to

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:24 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Not to sound negative, but isn't the port of RealPlayer 10 to Solaris x86 and SPARC more a demonstration of Real opensourcing its client, and SUN picking up the ball and running with it? Not as far as I can tell, and this seems to imply

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 May 2006 02:26 pm, Rich Teer wrote: Didn't Sun's Johnny Loiacino (sp?) recently join Adobe? Perhaps some Sun management types can persuade their old work collegue to do the right thing? Do you give Sun that much credit? I mean,

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:27 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: The sad part, these people think from quarter to quarter, where as I prefer looking 5 years time; where are the products, where is the marketing heading, and are we going to meet those market changes? I'm not sure I understand. Are you

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:24 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Not to sound negative, but isn't the port of RealPlayer 10 to Solaris x86 and SPARC more a demonstration of Real opensourcing its client, and SUN picking up the ball and running with it?

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:33 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, all things being considered, this mailing list is nothing more than a glorified parlour game of people throwing their 5 cents worth in, and venting their frustration. Well, we can give you a few dollars back for the worth you've

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:40 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Just had a look, its a nice player, would even be nice with portable player support, and a good music library facility. Sure, and Mac OSX, Linux, Windows, *BSD, and a host of other systems would be nice if they had DTrace, ZFS, Zones,

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:27 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: The sad part, these people think from quarter to quarter, where as I prefer looking 5 years time; where are the products, where is the marketing heading, and are we going to meet those

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:40 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Just had a look, its a nice player, would even be nice with portable player support, and a good music library facility. Sure, and Mac OSX, Linux, Windows, *BSD, and a host of other

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So unfortunately I've migrated back to FreeBSD (again) - I would really love to run Solaris x86, but when everything I try to compile turns to shyte, one really has to ask whether the maintainers of the source are

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:33 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Well, all things being considered, this mailing list is nothing more than a glorified parlour game of people throwing their 5 cents worth in, and venting their frustration. Well, we can

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Either that, or launch a spear campaign that equates Adobe to killing cute little bunny rabbits. Cute little bunny rabbits make nice lining for winter gloves. Besides, be careful; there are worse folks than Adobe. Isn't MS introducing a new format that they want to replace PDF with? This

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:53 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: As for the last 5 years - name 5 high profile, main stream, software titles that have come to Solaris x86 - not drivers like OSS, or plugins like Flash/Shockwave or Real, but application suites like MYOB, Peachtree accounting etc. etc.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Paul Gress
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: As for the last 5 years - name 5 high profile, main stream, software titles that have come to Solaris x86 - not drivers like OSS, or plugins like Flash/Shockwave or Real, but application suites like MYOB, Peachtree accounting etc. etc. Gee, I'm using PTC Pro-Engineer

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:41 pm, Ian Collins wrote: I wasn't sure whether this was just more of your inflammatory nonsense, so I had a look: Matty has proven to be a case study on trollology on several occasions, thanks for the reminder.;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems Solaris x86

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either that, or launch a spear campaign that equates Adobe to killing cute little bunny rabbits. Cute little bunny rabbits make nice lining for winter gloves. Besides, be careful; there are worse folks than Adobe. Isn't MS

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Paul Gress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: As for the last 5 years - name 5 high profile, main stream, software titles that have come to Solaris x86 - not drivers like OSS, or plugins like Flash/Shockwave or Real, but application suites like MYOB, Peachtree

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:53 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: As for the last 5 years - name 5 high profile, main stream, software titles that have come to Solaris x86 - not drivers like OSS, or plugins like Flash/Shockwave or Real, but application

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 11:41 pm, Ian Collins wrote: I wasn't sure whether this was just more of your inflammatory nonsense, so I had a look: Matty has proven to be a case study on trollology on several occasions, thanks for the reminder.;-)

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So unfortunately I've migrated back to FreeBSD (again) - I would really love to run Solaris x86, but when everything I try to compile turns to shyte, one really has to ask whether the maintainers of the source are

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Moazam Raja
On May 28, 2006, at 12:09 AM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:Whats the status of your UltraSPARC workstation line? is there going to be a successor to the Blade 150? Sun Ultra 45. If you want something cheaper, the Opteron based Ultra 20 is great. And if you want something cheaper but must have UltraSparc,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread David J. Orman
On May 27, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Explain? Explanation follows below: Me: hey, here are some issues I have with Solaris SUN Employees: Its YOU with the problem Getting technical support from SUN must be a dream, oh, this is a problem I'm experiencing..., reponse,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Moazam Raja
To get better support (especially without a support contract), one must ask better questions. If you ask an open ended 'large' question (Where is X headed in the marketplace?), you may not get an answer as the discussion may be very subjective. In terms of technical questions/support,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Ian Collins
Wes Williams wrote: An older version (4?) of Acrobat Reader is available for SOlaris x86, but you need to get it via Adobe's FTP site IIRC. I have a copy here, but I doubt I'm allowed to redistribute it... Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member Likewise, I've also requested this

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On 5/28/06, Moazam Raja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 28, 2006, at 12:09 AM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Whats the status of your UltraSPARC workstation line? is there going to be a successor to the Blade 150? Sun Ultra 45. If you want something cheaper, the Opteron based Ultra 20 is great.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread John Levon
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:34:33PM +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: When I tried to compile I specified using the GNU ld and as - would that have made a difference? but it still doesn't explain why qt Specified how? --with-gnu-as doesn't do what you might think it does... regards john

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Tatjana S Heuser
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Then the alternative is for SUN to get 10 engineers, and get them to work on an existing opensource project to bring it up to standard or create an in house version based off licencing specifications. I'm very much in favour of this solution - like many others who just

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Rich Teer
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Cheers. (from the patio at my parent's house using VPN over wifi;-) Which is nice, but the fact is, thats server software - I'm refering to workstation software. Exactly how is wifi server software? Sure, I can advocate Solaris as a great

[osol-discuss] Re: Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86

2006-05-28 Thread Dev Mazumdar
Cute little bunny rabbits make nice lining for winter gloves. Besides, be careful; there are worse folks than Adobe. Isn't MS introducing a new format that they want to replace PDF with? Actually, since Sun has kissed and made up with Microsoft, they should tell Adobe, give us acrobat

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