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how many ocms are there world wide?
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Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging.
(And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...)
Patrice.
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Hi!
I think the new certification is
Thanks Patrice.
Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5
min before end of second testing day ;)
Tanel.
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Congratulations Taner,
Sorry: TaneL, not Taner.
Patrice.
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Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging.
(And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...)
Patrice.
Masters exam
Thanks Patrice.
Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5
min before end of second testing day ;)
Tanel.
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Thanks Patrice.
Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast
than 5 min before end of second testing day ;)
Tanel.
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Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks Patrice.
Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast
than 5 min before end of second testing day ;)
Tanel
to documentation right?
From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT
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Thanks Patrice.
Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than
5
min before
Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM.
GovindanK
Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master)
Thanks Patrice.
Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than
5
min before end of second testing day ;)
Tanel.
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how many ocms are there world wide?
From: GovindanK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/08 Mon PM 02:49:26 EDT
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Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM.
GovindanK
Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master
Too many.
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As another shareholder of Oracle (worth about $1.42 as I recall it), I
think it's worth noticing that the richest guy in the universe at first
thought this Internet thing wasn't really going to take off. When it
did, he moved his company around very, very fast to embrace it. Perhaps
not
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dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture.
It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the
responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of
Oracle shareholders (of which I am one)
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It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun.
What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes?
To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware
one could perform a backup and a restore?
What does that say about the
people to do what you want. Its not your
fault other people hold it in such high value. I have no control over them.
From: Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/05 Fri AM 08:20:13 EDT
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a
Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle
Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and
upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have
accomplished I have done
Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that
you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no
test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The
new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue.
Pete
Controlling developers is
Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that
you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no
test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The
new Oracle Masters definitely
Pete, Bill
Just think though. If we'd been smart and acted like it was a terrific thing
and anyone with an Oracle Masters was top notch, then maybe we wouldn't have
to take all these darned tests.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :)
Pete
Controlling developers is like herding cats.
Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!
Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.
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Thater, William
Sent: Saturday, September
DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Pete, Bill
Just think though. If we'd been smart and acted like it was a
terrific thing and anyone with an Oracle Masters was top notch, then
maybe we wouldn't have to take all these darned tests.
damn! NOW you tell me.;-)
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Bill
Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :)
hey, can i help it of Oracle wouldn't hire me?;-)
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Well, let's look at it from the purely commercial point of view:
1) Is it likely that my company will ever foot the bill for masters exam?
Me thinks not. Even OCP was frowned upon, because it was looked upon as
acquiring a technical certification that will make it easier for me to
leave
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Mladen
I'm dubious whether Oracle will make much money from this one. Maybe
someone with better connections to the exam can clarify that one. The payoff
on anything is the amount of revenue minus the cost to create. If fewer
people take the Masters, then the revenue may not offset the cost.
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Well, at least all of the Oracle employees can eventually claim to be masters... maybe some of them will filter over and improve the analyst stock.
April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
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Let's just cut the crap and start our own Oracle-L Masters (OLM).
Qualifications
1) Willingness to answer questions
2) Willingness to ask questions, after RTFM
3) Willingness to publicly admit mistakes and offer corrections
4) Demonstration of advanced knowledge of Oracle
5) Able to back up
Hi!
I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one
was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam
which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from
other side of the world, because there were no exams available
I am getting ready to bite the bullet and do this. I have procured a copy
of Linux Advanced server to install at home, I have a couple of machines I
am going to set up to handle the RAC portions. This is tough for me,
because I am one of the largest RAC skeptics about. Of course I had to be
So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out
certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before
seeing
oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup.
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Sharman
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So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out
certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before
seeing
oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup.
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The masters seems a far better test of ability than OCP.
Unfortunately Oracle have attached the spurious must attend 2 Oracle
classes clause which makes it obvious that the whole program is just
another revenue channel.
I've considered signing up for it but I baulk at the idea of handing over my
Mike, it's always about the money. Unfortunately, I notice that
Oracle Corp. is getting greedier and greedier. Bugs are more and more
numerous and versions are released at such rapid pace that it is
extremely hard an expensive to keep up the pace. Of course, Oracle
would like to get some
Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam
I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off...
I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't want to be doing it just to drum up
From what I heard at an 8i Internals seminar, the OCM exams are nothing like
the OCP exams.
They really put people on the spot.
Patrice.
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So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the
With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about
greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the
dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture.
It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the
My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that Oracle's
greed is interfering
with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle Corp.
from the times before
Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code is
falling, bugs are more
and more
Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam
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Oracle Masters exam
I though about trying to figure out how to get
In addition, some non-tech HR wag does their screening of applicants based on
OCP, Oracle Master's, or some such certification. Yes, certification is an
issue whether or not it has technical merit. When it comes at a price that
many of us can't personnaly afford, it's a very BIG issue. I
Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the
certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification:
7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle
8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their
exam crams for them
8.1
Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam
see... that's when I got my OCP... when the company decided that I needed
to have it, and that they would pay for it. All it proves to me is that I
can pass multiple choice tests... and I can read a book.
April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems
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I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off...
I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I
kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't
want to be doing
I was just looking into this. If I understand it correctly, you have to
take 2 'advanced' classes =$2000-$5000 total (depending on which courses)
and then you have to pay $2000 just to take the practicum. This might be
the real deal and an exciting achievement to work towards but I for one know
You keep putting me into a class in which I do not belong -- but I
thank you.
I have OCP through 8i, but only because I made it a point of honor to
see if I could pass the exams without ever studying for them, and, in
the case of the 8 and 8i certification, without ever having seen a
database
: Oracle Masters exam
Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the
certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification:
7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle
8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review
You're becoming a lawyer too? C'ya in court.
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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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Rachel Carmichael
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:04 PM
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You keep putting me into a class in which I do not belong -- but I thank
you.
I have OCP
is still on the market
even though coriolis went under?
From: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT
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Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam
Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam
Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the
certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification:
7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid
: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the
certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification
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Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the
certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification:
7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by
Oracle
8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I
Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program...
http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html
Patrice.
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And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate
what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands
on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15
years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12
years, and
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