Thanks Dick.
I like that last quote in the article...
Patrice.
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Patrice,
ANALYSTS: PER-PROCESSOR PRICING TO DIE OUT | SearchOracle.com
As Oracle Corp. prepares to release new
Patrice,
ANALYSTS: PER-PROCESSOR PRICING TO DIE OUT | SearchOracle.com
As Oracle Corp. prepares to release new licensing fees in connection
with its new 10g database and application server, analysts are
predicting the arrival of a new utility pricing model.
For the full details, click:
Kimberly Floss, database administrator team leader at Quaker Oats Co., in Chicago,
said she hopes the guide helps resolve Oracle's issues. Floss, who manages Oracle
databases, has not had licensing problems herself ...
She obviously has never been involved in any Oracle licensing discussions.
Hi,
A late response, but this seems like:
Oracle saying: This is my product and this is how we want to sell, buy or
leave. And they have considered every possibility of taking advantage or
they dictate it the way it suites them.
How about saying back: What ever is your product, we want to buy
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-This probably pales when compared to mainframe maintenance fees.
And don't forget that mainframes also rent the OS for a hefty fee!!
Dave
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Re the 22% annual support cost. This is apparently not unusually high.
We were quote a 22% for an application last week. This probably
pales when compared to mainframe maintenance fees.
Jared
On Friday 22 February 2002 06:03, Jay Hostetter wrote:
Our management has started asking
-This probably pales when compared to mainframe maintenance fees.
And don't forget that mainframes also rent the OS for a hefty fee!!
Dave
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Re the 22% annual support cost. This is
Jay - Try this URL:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/evaluation/compare/pricecomparison.asp
naturally it is entirely biased in Microsoft's favor and I don't see where
it mentions that under Oracle's pricing model, upgrades are included, but
not with Microsoft. Oracle and IBM probably have equivalent
Thanks for the information Suhen. Seems like my company purchaser got the wrong
information when he bought the license.
Regards,
Leo
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Leo,
The named user license is
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Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based
licensing?
Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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the internet,
NOT INTRANET.
Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly
Our Oracle rep fully understood that our DB is accessed via our intranet, a
large third party network, and the internet. We were only required to
purchase CPU based licensing. There was no additional Web licensing fee.
After reading this, I am concerned they will be back to discuss more fees.
: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore,
and
it only shows Named
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Our Oracle rep fully understood that our DB is accessed via our intranet,
a
large third party network, and the internet. We were only required to
purchase CPU based licensing. There was no additional Web licensing
fee
Compuware Corporation
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Can anyone provide more details on Web
Title: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Maybe it has something to do with whether you post your data to an internet or intranet site. ??
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Alliance Manager
Compuware Corporation
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Mobile: (248) 408-2918
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore,
and
it only shows Named
More likely how close Uncle Larry is to Bill Gates in the World's Richest Man contest.
Jerry Whittle
ACIFICS DBA
NCI Information Systems Inc.
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618-622-4145
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From following this thread on Oracles
, February 20, 2002 3:43 PM
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore
.
Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
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Can anyone provide more
Nuclear Plant? Don't say Larry didn't warn you:
The Programs are not intended for use in any nuclear, aviation, mass
transit, medical, or other inherently dangerous applications. It shall be
the licensee's responsibility to take all appropriate fail-safe, backup,
redundancy, and other
Ron,
It is funny you mentioned this, just last week our corporate office asked
us to run a script...provided by Oracle...to gather user/session
information to determine if we have enough licences. The thing that I
found odd, was that they wanted this information from every single database
I suggest you talk to your Oracle rep before getting started.
'Concurrent' licensing is no longer a valid licensing model for Oracle.
They sell by named user or per CPU. Their criteria for making you
use the CPU licensing is rather broad.
Just went through a licensing audit here. Lots o
I agree with Mr. Still,
Our new project is licensed CPU based . The cpu count is important for
the server. So that distributed databases is not preferable anymore for
country wide applications. As Oracle says , this is a new feature of WEB
WORLD. If your applications are client -server
Smith, Ron L. wrote:
We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient licensing.
We have about 100 instances to monitor.
Has anyone done this? Any ideas on what Concurrent users might mean to
the
you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
appear on the web, as Oracle will want you to use a web license
(extremely expensive) even if the data is not directly accessed but
appears on the web in static pages generated from the Oracle database.
--- Stephane Faroult
Thanks for the info!
Ron
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Smith, Ron L. wrote:
We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient
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We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient
licensing.
We have about 100 instances
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you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based licensing?
Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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you need to be careful if you are also using
that's not the terminology they used when talkikng about it with me.
the sales rep specifically said web license which led me to believe
it was another form of pricing.
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Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based
licensing?
Our site just went through this, and Oracle determined that we needed to use
CPU licenses. We actually replaced our 4 cpu DG Aviion with a new Sunfire
3800 with two sparc3 processors. The money saved in Oracle licensing paid
for the new equipment. They simply came in and told us that the
Title: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
I too went through this mess (twice). A CPU license gets you unlimited. If it's on the web, they don't like the idea of using an application server that utilizes one connection with internal login/logout capability/security. Why twice? Second
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear up some
doubts on named user licensing that I have?
We have an existing 5-named user license for a small oracle 8i (8.1.5) database we
have, but right now, it seems to be restricting the number of user sessions to 5
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear up some
doubts on named user licensing that I have?
We have an existing 5-named user license for a small oracle 8i (8.1.5) database we
have, but right now, it seems to be restricting the number of user sessions to 5
Leo,
The named user license is concurrent per session/connections to the
database.
Although you have 1 userid defined you will not be allowed to have more than
5 users connect to the instance simultaneously.
Regards
$uhen
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear
George:
I'm not a sales guy, so I would definitely talk to Oracle for the most current
pricing/configuration info (as well as discounts).
However, as of the 10/19/2001 price list, the costs are $15K/CPU for Standard
Edition and $40K/CPU for Enterprise Edition. The named user licenses for the
George - To clarify your other question, one reason Oracle developed CPU
pricing was for Internet access. This way you don't need to worry about how
many people on the planet will be accessing your database.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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In these cases, Oracle tends to charge by the power of
your server multiplied by the tensile strength of your
shoelace divided by the number of sheep in an
arbitrary pasture plus the total number of hair
folicles on your head then doubled.
Seriously, I've always had best success (in Oz and
Title: Oracle Licensing for a Clustered Server Configuration
Only
if it's active on the fail over node - if it's passive you don't need a second
license.
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Only
if it's active on the fail over node - if it's passive you don't need a second
license.
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Title: RE: Oracle Licensing for a Clustered Server Configuration
Our failover server neither has a standby database nor oracle binaries.
In our Clustered server configuration, when a fail over happens
the entire diskgroups will be de-ported from the primary and imported on the failover
le who had logged in earlier
could work
c) were a pita about sending a new string
you had to shut down production in order to apply the new string.
NOT happy making for the DBA (me)
Rachel
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*Pierce
*Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:07 AM
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*
*
*Oracle profit warning spells doom:
*
*http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/8/ns-21312.html
*
*---excerpt---
* Lowered spending for software has hit Oracle
-
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*
*ha,
*
*thank-god they save 1 billion dollars on using there own software.*
*p
As luck would have it I was evaluating the prices of Oracle and then SQL
Server today.
My question at this point is, what kind of prices does Microsoft charge
for support, I was pretending to purchase SQL Server and noticed that no
mention is made about product support.
Using the "Power
Oracle has been riding the concept of "we're oracle so you want to use
our database" for a long while. I'll be one of the last to condone
sql-server(as i've recently had to work with it for a client, and i
talked up oracle for a while) but Mr Larry is losing market share, check
out any of the
At 03:35 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
my .02 is the whole power unit thing is a good concept but the $$ per
unit is way outta whack. the only reason i say that is its been hard
for oracle to denote when people were using more than the licenses they
bought were being used. I had always setup the
At 04:36 PM 3/5/01 -0800, you wrote:
You should be able to find it at: http://store.oracle.com
Thanks. It was that simple. [sigh] Shoot me now.
Dennis Taylor
In any human endeavor, once you have exhausted all
possibilities and have failed, there
At 03:00 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
As luck would have it I was evaluating the prices of Oracle and then SQL
Server today.
My question at this point is, what kind of prices does Microsoft charge
for support, I was pretending to purchase SQL Server and noticed that no
mention is made about
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At 03:35 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
my .02 is the whole power unit thing is a good concept but the $$ per
unit is way outta whack. the only reason i say that is its been hard
for oracle to denote when people
Looking for a job in Oracle sales? This is a pretty convincing argument.
Thanks for the additional info.
Jeffery Stevenson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/6/2001 10:10 AM writes us:
Well, if you don't want product updates/upgrades for Oracle then you can
knock about $15K off of that $45K for
re: Andreessen says software companies, customers act as adversaries
backgrounder:
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http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/02/22/010222hnandreessen.xml?p=brs=4?0226mnlv
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Thursday February 22, 2001
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At 03:35 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
my .02 is the whole power unit thing is a good concept but the $$ per
unit is way outta wha
ew string
you had to shut down production in order to apply the new string.
NOT happy making for the DBA (me)
Rachel
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making for the DBA (me)
Rachel
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At 03:35 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
my .02 is the whole power unit thi
I'm following this thread and a worrying thought has crossed my mind:-
If Oracle carries on with this pricing model, soon we will all be looking
for a new job..scary :-)
Martin Kendall
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Last
Not so far fetched. My company lost several very large clients to DB2 and I am without a job.
Martin Kendall wrote:
I'm following this thread and a worrying thought has crossed my mind:-If Oracle carries on with this pricing model, soon we will all be lookingfor a new job..scary :-)Martin
Yarg! Snarfle! Argh! (sounds of chewing up furniture) For some reason, I can't find the URL that started this conversation. I thought it might be sales.oracle.com, but that doesn't give me the power unit calculations. Can someone help?
At 02:26 PM 3/5/01 -0800, you wrote:
Not so far
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Yarg! Snarfle! Argh! (sounds of chewing up furniture) For some reason, I
can't find the URL that started this conversation. I thought it might be
sales.oracle.com, but that doesn't give me the power unit calculations. Can
someone help?
At 02
Last time I danced with our sales rep, power units were per server, not per
user... so the power unit price would be 400*100 = 40,000 for an unlimited (Ha!
at 200mhz?) number of users. If you ask nicely, yours may agree to convert any
concurrent or named user licenses you have into power unit
Nick,
As a start you might want to go to http://oraclestore.com
There you will see list prices in US dollars for the various options,
including
DB versions - Enterprise, std, lite, personal
Licensing options - named user (single or multi server), or universal power
unit
(Note that
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