RE: OT NT2K vs Unix.
I agree with you, most down time is due to human error, or applying
something (like an upgrade) to existing systems.
I don't understand how management decides whether or not to spend money on
training or on shoring up procedures to reduce down time, I suspect they
only do it when there is a "perceived need" - i.e. when something bad has
happened.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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Given that "most" db problems are app-centric, and a healthy
majority of *any* datacenters' downtime is human-error related,
it seems to be that the route to stability is through the
enhanced learning of the operator/developer/administrators. And
learning requires open minds and for things like technology,
frequent refreshing
But that is just my opinion. It may actually be the case that
the way to improve something is to castigate, excoriate, and
denigrate. But, I need to continue my observations on that
topic.
;-
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Hey, I saw the ads on TV. Microsoft now makes enterprise software,
which
gives sa's peace of mind...
It always amazes me how companies identify a problem, then create
ads to
turn people's perception around. So now Microsoft is telling people
that
their systems are reliable and never crash, so system administrators
can
relax.
Hopefully with Win2K they actually fixed the problems, and are not
just
posting ads on TV to turn people's perception around to boost sales.
Eventually I will figure out how the world works. It's taking me a
while,
though.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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There is, however, one significant difference: stability. If
Microsoft
starts making stable
products, we might just as well start using them, but
knowing
Microsoft,
I'm not overly
worried.
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RE: this drove me crazy!!!
I am wondering why your customer would want to select where an insert is taking place. It doesn't make much sense. Are you sure the customer didn't mean: "I can put a SELECT statements inside the WHERE clause of an INSERT statement"? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Abdul Aleem [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: this drove me crazy!!! Yes! he can, as a matter of fact he can even write a complete song in WHERE clause, its just that it won't work :) HTH! -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: this drove me crazy!!! I think your customer is just testing your treshold for insanity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi d.b.a people, how r u? I'm an Oracle DBA and my customer told me something that drove me crazy,he told me that he could write an 'insert statement' in the 'where' clause of a 'select' statement. Is this true? and if so,could you kindly tell me how? thanks alot Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MOHAMMAD AMER INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Abdul Aleem INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: off topic : gathering information
Have you thought of Precise Software? I am evaluating the Precise / Savant tools now, next will be OEM 2.1. Am looking for something that compares schemas or databases for integrity after maintenance or Oracle upgrades. www.precise.com http://www.precise.com www.savant.com http://www.savant.com Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bjorn Naessens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: off topic : gathering information We are currently comparing : Oracle : Enterprise Manager ( very expensive ) Ca : Manage-It BMC : Patrol Tivoli : Database management ( how original ) Softtree : Dbtools and now i added bradmark : Norad 2.0 Embarcadero : Dbartisan ( it's decent but rather limited ) to the study. thanks for the links Mark leith. Bjorn Naessens Junior system engineer + dba Roularta IT Solutions - Original Message - From: Mark Leith mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:26 PM Subject: RE: off topic : gathering information www.bradmark.com http://www.bradmark.com www.quest.com http://www.quest.com www.ca.com http://www.ca.com www.embarcadero.com http://www.embarcadero.com www.leccotech.com http://www.leccotech.com www.bmc.com http://www.bmc.com www.compuware.com http://www.compuware.com A few to start with.. We deal with NORAD (previously DBGeneral) from Bradmark, and the general feel of the people we talk to is that is one of the better options for a full monitoring/management package, as it is so tightly integrated. There are a number of other vendours who do actually deal with specific areas of management "in-depth" (Quest for instance) where they have a whole bag full of of tools.. All of the tools out there are great though, its just a matter of personal preference. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bjorn Naessens Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:10 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: off topic : gathering information hello fellow dba's we are currently running a project for updating our database management tools. We want a pro-active and easy-to-use graphical tool with a lot of possibilities ( db difference, performance manager, top sessions, lock managers, ... ). So i was wandering what all of you guys were using so I can have an idea about what's on the market. thx in advance bjorn naessens junior system engineer + dba Roularta IT Solutions -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ksedmp
Would anyone know what this refers to? I have a trace file with cryptic information in it, and can't make sense of it. I thought perhaps I could figure out what this is by looking in the Oracle Internals book by O'Reilly, but no success. It does say that KS is a layer used by the other layers for memory management, cursor space and other things, but that's all the information I could get out of that book. A search on www.oracle.com http://www.oracle.com yields no results. TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
dba_errrors
Does anyone have an idea of how often this view is updated? Not just upon instance startup, I hope. Just curious. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
More slower CPUs vs. fewer faster CPUs
I was wondering if it would be better to have three or four relatively slower CPUs than having only two faster ones. I think I remember that Ixora says fewer faster CPUs is better because the CPUs are constantly negotiating who should do what. The more CPUs exist the more time-consuming the debate (this is very simplified, I realize). Jonathan Lewis in Practical Oracle8i: Building Efficient Databases, Adison Wesley, p. says the opposite. Is this another one of those questions that has "it depends" as the only answer? Or that has very plausible theoretical answers that are mitigated in real life? I imagine that the I/O patterns play a part in the validity of either answer. Has anyone on this list tested to see which would be faster? We are on Compaq Tru64 UNIX alphas, upgrading to ES-40s with up to four CPUs. My database is a mix (mess) of background tables for web apps, ad hoc querying, sporadic intensive data loads and in the near future: replication. Opinons? TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: More slower CPUs vs. fewer faster CPUs
I realize too that it depends on the number of concurrent user sessions.
Patrice Boivin
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I was wondering if it would be better to have three or four
relatively
slower CPUs than having only two faster ones.
I think I remember that Ixora says fewer faster CPUs is better
because the
CPUs are constantly negotiating who should do what. The more CPUs
exist the
more time-consuming the debate (this is very simplified, I realize).
Jonathan Lewis in Practical Oracle8i: Building Efficient Databases,
Adison
Wesley, p. says the opposite.
Is this another one of those questions that has "it depends" as the
only
answer? Or that has very plausible theoretical answers that are
mitigated
in real life? I imagine that the I/O patterns play a part in the
validity
of either answer.
Has anyone on this list tested to see which would be faster?
We are on Compaq Tru64 UNIX alphas, upgrading to ES-40s with up to
four
CPUs. My database is a mix (mess) of background tables for web
apps, ad hoc
querying, sporadic intensive data loads and in the near future:
replication.
Opinons?
TIA
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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RE: MetaLink
It doesn't work from here. I tried The Americans, the UK site, and Singapore, none of them work. Oracle-ftp works, though. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Weaver, Walt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:MetaLink Anybody try to get into MetaLink this morning (7am MST)? Looks like they forgot to feed the hamsters again. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana, USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: MS KB Article
It's not at microsoft, if you look at the URL carefully. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Ruth Gramolini [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: MS KB Article It is directions, from MS support supposedly, on how to RTFM. RBG - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:05 AM What is it? I am dying to know but the site is blocked by our fireball. ?? Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! * This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify ESPN at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. * -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Tuning, RAID5, and fragmentation
I would try to benchmark the system to show where the bottleneck(s) is(are). Probably I/O, possibly the CPU if you are using NT RAID5 instead of a hardware solution. If your machines aren't real servers, then the disk controller will slow things down as well, in many PCs there is one controller for everything, even if you have two slots for plugging devices like hard disks. It just flip flops between the two constantly. At least benchmarking will help get rid of the perception that "Oracle is slow". Is this on NT? If it is RAID5 implemented at the NT level, the MS SQL Server 7 Administration Training Kit manual, p. 128 says that its disadvantage is that is "uses system processing resources". So you may be overutilizing your CPU as well. RAID5 is good for reading data, but not for writing because the parity info has to be updated. To avoid having to defrag or coalesce your extents, just make sure all your extents are exactly the same size within the tablespace, and that the extents are a multiple of your db_block_size. There is an Oracle paper on this concept, if you want it send me an e-mail. I guess this isn't Oracle Enterprise Edition... Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dana mn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Tuning, RAID5, and fragmentation Presuming a DBA is forced to use RAID5, what elements of tuning become irrelevant? (in the sense that if you're stuck with RAID5, warts and all, then trying to tune X, Y, and Z would be a waste of time / ineffective). Load balancing files would be one thing.. no way to put indexes and tables on different disks (ditto redo log file members, etc) with one massive RAID5 volume. What about fragmentation and coalescing? Are these still a concern for tablespaces located on RAID5 volumes? Has anyone written an article about Oracle and "living with RAID5"? I'm finding that a customer has several Oracle databases on systems with nothing else but RAID5 storage for everything. Thanks very much. - Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: dana mn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Speeding up Java on NT
Hi, Are there any patches to go with the 8i databases? We can patch the RDBMS, I was wondering if there were patches anywhere for the Java components. I didn't find any in oracle-ftp.oracle.com. I would like to see Java run faster on NT. (Please don't tell me that the solution would have been for Sun to accept Microsoft J++ !) Just wondering, I always want to make the databases run faster, and 8i seems to be a bit of a beast. TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Anyone using CA products?
[begin rant] I spent a week and a half (while doing regular work, of course) trying to just INSTALL the ManageIT Framework, and couldn't make the client console and the server exchange messages. I could see all the devices on my network, but I couldn't send a simple message from the server to the client, or the other way around, I can't remember now and I de-installed the whole thing. Finally CA support (sounding a little annoyed at me for asking my sales rep why they hadn't called me back) said: "You just want to use the DBA tools? You don't need the framework for that! It's nice to have, but not necessary." Strangely, their trial kit manuals all list how to install the Framework before listing how to install the DBA tools. A Framework CD ships with every DBA tool they sell - so now I have three of those CDs. Maybe they could have mentioned in their documentation somewhere that the framework is not necessary. I also get the impression that the people who packaged the instructions weren't there to see how their own software installs. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but if I was trying to sell a package that costs thousands of dollars, I would make darn sure before I ship it that it is easy to install, easy to configure. And I prefer useful documentation in black and white on 8 x 11 sheets of paper than glossy brochures with instructions that don't accurately describe how to install the software. I also find that while trying out DBA tools, all the vendors seem to assume that this is the only thing you are doing, as if before you started testing their product you were doing nothing at all. 2-week keys for trial software are more a hassle than a help - it discourages people from installing software. It always seems to take them 2 or 3 days to come up with an up-to-date key, which causes other problems. I have a test NT server here which blue screened after one trial key expired, and after two re-installs of NT and Oracle 8.1.6., I keep getting blue screens (6 in two days). I will have to restore the server using our enterprise backup system and pray that the server won't blue screen on me right after the restore finishes. What a hassle. I remember when software companies tried to put keys on their software in the eighties, and a company (called copywrite I think) kept coming out with hacks to overcome these keys, because they were preventing people from making backup copies of their diskettes. I know they don't want us to use unlicensed software, but this is going too far, they are discouraging people from evaluating their software. It has to hurt sales. Why not put 2-month keys on their trial software? No one would use a product like this for just 2 months, it seems to me. Heck it would take at least a month just to configure everything, iron out all the bugs, and make sure the product "fits" the environment. [end rant] Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO -Original Message- From: Smith, Ron L. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Anyone using CA products? I have been trying to get upgrades from Computer Associates for about two months. Does anyone use any of Computer Associates products? What has been your experience? Ron Smith Database Administration [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or
RE: MetaSlop
You will get a similar message if you ask Metalink to give you a list of all the bugs for a particular version of Oracle. At least that's what it returned last Fall. Maybe their TEMP tablespace is too small. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Kevin Kostyszyn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 12:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:MetaSlop Hi We're Oracle and we power the Internet with error messages such as these Request Failed We were unable to process your request at this time. Error occured while accessing "/metalink/plsql/for_main.searchforum" at Tue Feb 27 08:33:29 2001 OWS-05102: Initialization failed due to error 12154 ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve service name PL/SQL Cartridge SERVICE: metalink PROCEDURE: for_main.searchforum Please try again later Sincerely, Kevin Kostyszyn DBA Dulcian, Inc www.dulcian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
MetaLink is back
FYI I logged a TAR this morning, it seems to be running well again. (a bit slow as usual, but it runs) : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8.1.6 upgrade
I just upgraded my test server from 8.1.6.1.1. to 8.1.6.3.0, then up to 8.1.6.3.1.. You can get 8.1.6.3.1. at ftp://oracle-ftp.oracle.com/server/patchsets/wgt_tech/server/windowsNT/81pat chsets/81631/ I had previously installed a trial version of Savant QDiagnostics, but after de-installing the thing I am left with a QDBA account that cannot be deleted. Drop user qdba cascade hangs whether I do it from DBA Studio, SQL*Plus or svrmgrl. I logged a TAR with Oracle, their response was to ask me a dozen questions, as if they haven't seen this before. I created a dummy user, created a table, inserted some records into it, then successfully dropped the table and the user. So I think this has to do with either memory shortage on my test machine, or the QDBA user itself. Perhaps those "compressed" packages it owns in the database. Anyway, I had no apparent problems, except now the Oracle Management Server service refuses to start, it says something like "the environment pointers have changed". I haven't logged a TAR regarding that yet, I have to answer the dozen questions Oracle Support threw at me. Let me know if you find out anything more, we plan to upgrade to 8.1.6 this summer and I have to verify that this version is actually stable. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kevin Kostyszyn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:8.1.6 upgrade Hi all, Has anyone upgraded 8.1.6 EE on Windows NT to 8.1.6.3.0? I have done exactly what oracle said to do and it appears as though it is missing a .dll and without the installation is hosed. Do you have to upgrade to some other version first? The instance I upgraded was 8.1.6.1, then when it crashed I tried a reinstall and it still gives me the same error. Any help would be great, I see nothing in the documentaition with the patch that says I have to be at anything other than 8.1.6. Sincerely, Kevin Kostyszyn DBA Dulcian, Inc www.dulcian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
QDBA has been banished from my test server (was RE: 8.1.6 upgrade )
Well, that was gruesome. I couldn't log in as QDBA, so forget about using dbms_job. I ended up revoking CONNECT, RESOURCE, and every other role it had. Then I did a shutdown abort, startup restrict. QDBA's job was still listed. I took the risk of issuing a DELETE statement against dba_jobs, and against the job$ view. I don't know if that did anything useful but at least there were no rows returned. I granted connect, resource back to qdba. I bounced the database again. Then I managed to log in as QDBA, and as that user I manually (well, using SQL scripts) dropped all of this user's objects. Then I logged in as SYSTEM and I quite enjoyed deleting this beast from my test machine. Obviously when you issue a DROP USER command, Oracle doesn't do anything to clean up that user's jobs - it just hangs. Live and learn, now I know what to do if this happens again - use a liberal does of REVOKE statements, GRANT again, then log on as that user. Drop everything that user owns manually, because DROP USER is too lazy to do it. Once you have done DROP USER's job for it, you can issue the DROP USER command. Strangely it still took 8i at least ten seconds to drop the user, even though it didn't own anything. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: eek!
Last night on a game forum someone wrote that he was driving a truck "between Microsoft buildings." He was at a traffic light, and he thought "Is it ever windy! Look at those lights sway back and forth." He noticed that the truck in front of him was swaying too, he thought it must have been some wicked wind tunnel effect between the buildings. Then he noticed that the buildings were swaying too and people were running out of them, he finally realized what was going on. : ) He didn't mention anything about the Microsoft buildings collapsing. I was thinking - a seismologist on CBC said that "the big one" would probably be centered off-shore, so not to worry about the effects of this one. OK, if the "big one" is centered off-shore, all these measures architects are taking in California to build quake-resistant buildings will be for naught, it won't protect them from any tidal waves... Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dennis Taylor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: eek! few miles south of Seattle, magnitude 6.2 Someone opined that it was cause by Windows crashing... At 11:25 AM 2/28/01 -0800, Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: whoa, where? Dennis Taylor Niels is bohring. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: eek!
Don't shake her up too much... ; ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Dennis Taylor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: eek! At 06:21 AM 3/1/01 -0800, you wrote: Dennis -- you okay? Family/home okay? Databases? People are a little shaken (yuk yuk), but that's all. We're considering adequate punishment for our "singer". Dennis Taylor let not the sands of time get in your lunch. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OAS and iAS file size comparisons
Try do download the files when all those Californians are still in bed, they tend to clutter up the 'net. = : ^ o Also, what OS are you running? I find that on my old PC clone at home, Windows95 sometimes corrupts downloads if I tell it to ftp down a file and I keep surfing the net with IE. Better to just leave the machine alone, Windows95 doesn't multitask very well. If you are running NT not taxing the machine too much might help prevent file corruption. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Seley, Linda [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OAS and iAS file size comparisons I've actually got two copies of the CDs. S'pose the other set'll make nice coasters. The first set came pretty fast from customer service, 3 or 4 business days. It was a rush order because we needed it before the demo that Oracle sales was coming to do for us. The second copy I got from our sales guy when he found out we didn't have it yet. Linda -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Linda, Where did you get the CD's for the 9iAS? I tried the download method and "FileSplit" them back together. No luck. WinZip reported the file was corrupt. I tried the download method twice but still no luck. How long did you have to wait for the CD's to arrive in smailmail? If you downloaded, what site did you use? I tried from the OTN site to get the files. ROR mm -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Seley, Linda INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OEM 2.2. installation blues
Thanks everyone. I managed to install it, the trick was to use Typical, and avoid Custom installation. (Resist, Pat! Resist! Don't press that button! Your life will be ruined! Pestilence on your family if you press that button! -- Self-destructing software, pits and traps for the unwary, interesting concept.) So far I heard that in one version Custom worked but Typical didn't, for me with OEM 2.2. it was the reverse. It seems to be a gambling affair. Also I was installing OEM 2.2. in the same oracle_home as 8.1.6., bad idea. (not related to not being able to install, just two problems layered on top of each other). I re-installed it three times late last week. Now I will test... Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Vincent Ruger [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OEM 2.2. installation blues Hi, Yes, w've installed oem2.2 on a nt (ibm) machine with 180 Mb ram. It works fine, with the 3 major packs. (tuning, diag and change) The management server runs fine and even the data gatherer works very good, we collect the data from unix (aix) trough the nt dg for our packs and no problem. nt with service pack 6 hth Vincent Ruger -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Namens Boivin, Patrice J Verzonden: donderdag 1 maart 2001 14:55 Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp: OEM 2.2. installation blues Hi, Has anyone successfully installed OEM 2.2. on their machine? My test server has 256M more RAM coming, but in the meantime I haven't given up hope. Although hope is dwindling... I only have 380M of RAM. I started the installation process, then went to talk to someone. When I returned there was a Blue Screen of Death waiting for me. After powering off and powering on my machine, Peak Memory usage on my machine is at 680M of memory! Is this NT going crazy or does the Oracle Universal Installer really need that much memory to install OEM 2.2.? Could there be a creeping memory leak in the Universal Installer? (make that a galloping memory leak) I allocated 1G of virtual memory, but I know from experience on this machine at least that NT can't handle virtual memory very well, it keeps blue screening when I exceed available physical memory by too much. TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle Masters program
Does it still exist? I can't find reference to it anywhere in the new www.oracle.com http://www.oracle.com layout. I am just curious - I had major problems with it when they informed me that taking Microsoft courses on NT wasn't good enough, to be certifiable as an Oracle on NT Master you had to have learned NT from... Oracle. Even though their course names were identical to the MS ones. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Life in New England
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Recall: RE: Life in New England
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Does NT write to random locations on disk?
Using a little utility called contig I noticed that the Oracle 8.1.6 datafiles on my test NT server are quite fragmented, an average of 177 fragments per file, 118 fragments for the OEM repository datafile. The poor utility couldn't do anything with the database files, they are too large perhaps. These were created on an empty server, 8i release 2 went on it after a defrag, then the OEM. This is on a hard disk with 1.2G of free space, none of the datafiles come close to that. Why so many fragments? Oracle created those files in one pass, does NT write randomly to disk or what? Won't this have an impact on my NT database's performance? Oracle says tablespace fragmentation is not a big deal, but fragmentation at the OS level matters. Supposedly that's why NT and WndowsXX came with defragmentation tools. ??? Is there a registry setting somewhere to tell NT to write contiguously to disk? TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OEM 2.2 Oracle 8.1.7 on NT
Are you sure you have enough memory? I notice on my test server, it doesn't matter how much virtual memory you have, it's the physical RAM that counts. As soon as my machine reached about 360M used (about 388M of physical RAM was on it), the Management Server Service stopped and of course then you can no longer connect to the OEM console. Watch the CPU usage as well, dbsnmp uses CPU at regular intervals and keeps CPU usage up near 100% in prolonged bursts. I received more RAM for my test server today, I'm happy. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:OEM 2.2 Oracle 8.1.7 on NT List, I have a test server running NT 4.0 sp6a, Oracle 8.1.7 rel 3 with the OEM 2.2 working real good. I added a printer and shared the drives and printer with the developers. That's when the stuff hit the fan... I tried to log into the OEM console and the error message said "VTK-1000 Unable to connect to the management server testora". It appeared that the sysman/password were changed. I used the Oracle installer and removed the OEM and tried a reinstall to get back to the initial startup uf the console connection where the sysman/oem_temp is the id/password. No luck. I need info on where the password is stored or how to completely remove the package and registry entries. Can OEM be installed in a new location and work properly after I remove the original? Thanks, ROR mm -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Does NT write to random locations on disk?
It hasn't caused me any problems - have only tried it on this test server so far, and on my workstation. The workstation has Oracle 7.3. and 8.0.4 on it they have been running for over a year. I wouldn't try this on a production system! These are test databases only. I am just curious why the files are so fragmented. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Smith, Ron L. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Does NT write to random locations on disk? I wouldn't think you would want to reorg an Oracle tablespace with an NT defrag utility. You would corrupt the data. Ron Smith Database Administration [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Using a little utility called contig I noticed that the Oracle 8.1.6 datafiles on my test NT server are quite fragmented, an average of 177 fragments per file, 118 fragments for the OEM repository datafile. The poor utility couldn't do anything with the database files, they are too large perhaps. These were created on an empty server, 8i release 2 went on it after a defrag, then the OEM. This is on a hard disk with 1.2G of free space, none of the datafiles come close to that. Why so many fragments? Oracle created those files in one pass, does NT write randomly to disk or what? Won't this have an impact on my NT database's performance? Oracle says tablespace fragmentation is not a big deal, but fragmentation at the OS level matters. Supposedly that's why NT and WndowsXX came with defragmentation tools. ??? Is there a registry setting somewhere to tell NT to write contiguously to disk? TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Does NT write to random locations on disk?
This just goes to show how little I know, good grief it never ends. Thanks for the responses. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dennis Taylor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Does NT write to random locations on disk? At 01:55 PM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: Oracle datafiles are formatted into blocks. Data is read either physically by block or an indexed block number. If you compress using zip and then uncompress, the blocks have not changed. If you reorg the file the blocks will probably change and the data wont be where Oracle thinks it is. I'm working from logic rather than specific knowledge of Oracle here, so I could be way off base. But if you are set up to use a cooked rather than raw file system, then the block number that Oracle uses should be file-relative rather than disk-relative, i.e. the block labelled '34' would be the 34th or 35th block *in the file* rather than *on the disk*. No matter how much you defrag, zip, unzip, copy, mash, spit on, or otherwise vilify the file, it still ends up with the same data in that block. Theoretically. Dennis Taylor ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: oracle and America
Just check the jobs board on technet, or www.dice.com http://www.dice.com among other sites. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re:oracle and America Humm, If Oracle is "not used" much in America then why is there such a demand for Oracle talent? The statement is very false. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: "Bunyamin K.Karadeniz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/12/2001 8:50 AM one of my friends returning from America told that ORACLE is not much used in America. Is it True?? Bunyamin TIA !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" HTMLHEAD META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-9" http-equiv=Content-Type META content="MSHTML 5.00.2014.210" name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT face=Arial size=2one of my friends returning from America told that ORACLE is not much used in America. /FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nb sp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Is it True??/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Bunyaminnbsp;/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2nbsp; TIA/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: oracle and America
I thought I heard a story about a U.S. Navy ship that was towed to port because its systems ran on WindowsNT... Maybe it was an urban myth. I was glad to hear that the Boeing planes run on UNIX. ; ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: oracle and America OH ERIC! GROAN From: "Eric D. Pierce" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: oracle and America Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:38:32 -0800 yes, but perhaps if they were within a polar circle, it would be ok for them to have control of a few Icy B.M.s? On 12 Mar 2001, at 11:07, Gogala, Mladen scribbled with alacrity and cogency: Date sent: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:07:02 -0800 To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Having Microsoft controlling the ICBMs would definitely be too close to disaster for my taste. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle8i on Alpha Windows NT?
I don't know, but I know Compaq and MS had a falling out, there will not be a Windows2000 for alpha. Last I heard anyway. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: dwaynec [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Oracle8i on Alpha Windows NT? Would someone please answer the following: is there an Oracle8i release for Alpha Windows NT? If not, will there be one and when? I have searched MetaLink for this and it lists Oracle 8.0.5 for Alpha Windows NT as the current version. Thanks for your help. Dwayne -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: dwaynec INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
MetaLink down again?
I did a search for jre.exe, because it uses up too much CPU on my test machine. I clicked on a link to see a forum discussion, got a message back saying there had been a server error. I went back to the list of items, clicked on another link and my browser informed me that the document contained no data. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd/Oracle) Does NT write to random locations on d
should start with to increase system performance.
Windows IT Library
March 12, 2001
http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/435/04/7.html
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PerfectDisk 2000
Defragment your disk - even the Master File Table.
Windows 2000 Magazine
Michael Norian/Lab Reviews
June 13, 2000
http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=8948
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Diskeeper 5.0
Set it and forget it.
Windows 2000 Magazine, Windows 2000 Magazine
Michael Norian/Lab Reviews
June 05, 2000
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Diskeeper 3.0
Defragment your NTFS partitions Most Windows NT 4.0
users have
silently cursed NTFS and NT's lack of a defragmentation
utility.
Even
within NTFS,
individual files and free space on a disk partition are
not
contiguous; rather, they are broken up and ...
Windows 2000 Magazine
Carlos Bernal/Lab Reviews
May 01, 1998
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RE: 8.1.7
Do you have enough physical memory? Keep an eye on Task Manager. Just an idea. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kevin Kostyszyn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:8.1.7 Hi all, I am trying to install 8.1.7 EE on and NT 4.0 server and I am getting one strange error. The error isit gets to 99% and disappears!! I believe that I have seen this before, but I don't remember what it was. Has anyone experienced this? Help!! Sincerely, Kevin Kostyszyn DBA Dulcian, Inc www.dulcian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Tables and indexes on different disks
This is interesting. Where did you find this, exactly? Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michal Zaschke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Tables and indexes on different disks Hi all, I've read an interesting section in Oracle Docu (Tuning I/O): --- Separating Tables and Indexes It is not necessary to separate a frequently used table from its index. During the course of a transaction, the index is read first, and then the table is read. Because these I/Os occur sequentially, the table and index can be stored on the same disk without contention. --- Why do you then recommend to separate tables and indexes to different disks? Thanks Mike -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Michal Zaschke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd/Oracle) Does NT write to random locations on d
Another link http://www.mcpmag.com/news/default.asp?url=010209 http://www.mcpmag.com/news/default.asp?url=010209 Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Boivin, Patrice J [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd/Oracle) Does NT write to random locations on d Windows NT -- Windows2000 -- Windows XP Professional Windows95 -- Windows 98 -- WndowsME -- Windows XP As far as I know. http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcpPageCall qSubSitert/mcseAnnMenu=mcse - 3title http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcpPageCal lqSubSitert/mcseAnnMenu=mcse#3title qSubSitert/mcseAnnMenu=mcse#3title http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcpPageCal lqSubSitert/mcseAnnMenu=mcse#3title For those who don't know, you can take a peek at Windows XP here: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_luna.asp http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_luna.asp http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_luna.asp http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_luna.asp This is the moving target Bill Gates set for Microsoft, for a while we thought NT was going to upgrade to NT5, and Windows98 to Windows2000. Then the new versions were renamed Windows2000, and WindowsME. He has been pushing to merge the two streams, but they haven't been quite able to do that. They are converging though. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] mailto:[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd/Oracle) Does NT write to random locations on d Windows NT is being replaced by Windows 2000 not Windows XP. Windows XP is replacing Windows 98. What you learn regarding NT is still relevant for 2000 as it built on the same technology. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L on d isk Thanks Eric. This is the kind of information I would have liked to see in the Mark Minasi Mastering Windows NT book by Sybex, for example. We know where the dialog boxes and the buttons are, why hasn't anyone published info on how to configure NT properly. Armed with that info, someone could then publish a book on how to configure Oracle to run properly on NT, in detail. (I looked at the Oracle on NT book from Prentice Hall already). Funny that I find out only after the next MS OS is out, and they are talking about Windows XP now. The info is way behind the OS releases, I would have been happy to learn these things when NT was current, instead of while it is on its way out as an OS version. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] mailto:[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd/Oracle) Does NT write to random locations on di Folks, here is the maze of amazing info from Andrew Baker's NT support web site: URLs: http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=Defragger.TXT http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=Defragger.TXT
jre.exe using up too much CPU
Jre on my OEM test server is using up 80-96% of CPU, consistently. This is while monitoring its own repository database, plus an Oracle 7.3.4 and 8.0.4 database on my workstation. Intelligent agent on my workstation is from version 8.1.7., I upgraded it. I also have an MS SQL Server 7 database that is idle. I de-registered all the events, will try with longer intervals. I was just wondering if anyone else had this problem, and if you managed to resolve it. I noticed there were other reports on the Oracle forum site in Metalink. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OEM day today?
It just monitors Up/Down, I think. Sometimes it doesn't work very well, my SQL Server has been down for two days (I don't use it) and the green flag is still up inside the OEM. I have problems with my test server though, jre.exe is hogging the system. Do you know if the OEM can monitor MS Access and Excel? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Nguyen, Long [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OEM day today? I don't know about publicity but if you install OEM 2.2 (Management Pack I think) you would see a product in there that allows the monitoring of SQL Server. Long -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Since today seems to be the official OEM day on the list, here is something I just discovered (may not be news to others). OEM supports MS SQL Server services. While "discovering" one of Oracle databases running on Win2k, I noticed new entry in Console tree: SQLServers. Upon starting Data Gatherer on that lonely Windoz box, I was able to fire up Performance Manager (part of Diagnostics pack) and view all sorts of interesting info about SQL Server databases. Has this been publicized by Oracle anywhere? Gary Weber -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nguyen, Long INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: oracle and America
The whole c2 security thing and the POSIX compliance for NT were so they could sell their OS to the government, wasn't it? I think they may have dropped POSIX from Windows2000, I don't know if it ever worked very well. They did the same thing when OS/2 seemed a plausible alternative, NT supported HPFS. When OS/2 dropped off the map, MS dropped support for HPFS. They only support competing standards when they have to, I think. Once they gain market share they drop all that extra "fluff". Then competing products have to be compatible with theirs, not the other way around. It saves them on costs of development, support, etc. I am waiting to see when they will drop NWLINK from their OS. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Jerry C [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: oracle and America Holy mackerel! I hope there isn't some rogue nation buying all our old VAX clusters to run their navy. We'll get our behinds kicked! - Jerry - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:06 AM On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: I thought I heard a story about a U.S. Navy ship that was towed to port because its systems ran on WindowsNT... Maybe it was an urban myth. I was glad to hear that the Boeing planes run on UNIX. ; ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) No myth this. ( yeth? ;) Here's a reference: http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jerry C INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: jre.exe using up too much CPU
I have 654M of RAM. I logged a TAR with Oracle, we'll see how it goes today. I will just monitor db up/down, listener up/down, host up/down for now, all it takes is one bad item to mess up a server. Thanks Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: jre.exe using up too much CPU Not sure it is relevant, but: Oracle Tech Support told me that to run OEM on a desktop machine (PIII/700) that came with 128Mb RAM, it would be necessary to add *AT LEAST* and additional 256Mb RAM. With all the stuff you've got installed I hope you have a lot of RAM in that box. regards, ep On 13 Mar 2001, at 11:49, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: Date sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:49:44 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jre on my OEM test server is using up 80-96% of CPU, consistently. This is while monitoring its own repository database, plus an Oracle 7.3.4 and 8.0.4 database on my workstation. Intelligent agent on my workstation is from version 8.1.7., I upgraded it. I also have an MS SQL Server 7 database that is idle. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT -- Canada and U.S. (was: oracle and America)
Well, that's a bit of a flame, also coming from an anonymous Hotmail account I see. (Hotmail is always anonymous, although I believe the accounts can be traced) When I lived in Ottawa I used to know someone from Spain who talked about Canadians not being aggressive enough, people should fight their government, etc. etc. but look at the result - bombings, etc. and for many years, a dictatorship. Life is short, why waste time bashing each other over the head. Do what you can to leave a good mark, while you can. Violence doesn't solve anything, but I agree that sometimes situations are unbearable. Work through them. Economic disparities can cause major problems, I agree that's pretty obvious. But there are a lot of factors at play in that. It's ironic that in some cases people who are very aggressive end up with a dictatorship... I think that says a lot about the authoritarian personality (read Erich Fromm). There is something to be said for being assertive but not aggressive, it helps reduce the crime rate for example. Being assertive doesn't mean being passive. You can be a goat, don't have to be a sheep or a wolf. Kimberly moved to the U.S. because she got a good offer through EDS and because after Y2K, the opportunities here in Halifax were not what they were before Y2K. I am sure she would have been able to find something in Halifax, or in Canada, but she probably got a better offer in the U.S. first. There are a number of Americans working in Canada, and vice versa. Canada is the U.S.'s largest trading partner, and we have a Free Trade Agreement with our southern neighbors. The two cultures have a lot in common. Our economy is beginning a bit of a slump right now, but overall it hasn't been that bad. I read last night that there are many H1-B visa people in the U.S. who have been laid off by high-tech firms, now they have 2 months to find another job or they have to leave. Taxes here are higher than in the U.S., and we have a smaller population therefore some people who can do it go south to find better opportunities. I agree with you that one should not follow without thinking, it would prove the behaviorists right. We are all just a bunch of conditioned animals then if that's true. It is better to remain conscious I think, between the stimulus and the response. I believe that some eastern groups are better at this than we are. At least they talk about it more, whether they actually practice mindfulness or not is another matter. Also, our past Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau used to say that when you sleep next to elephant, every time he shifts in his sleep you go into alert mode. (this is not an exact quote, but you get the idea). I have a long list of things I would like to get done if I was Prime Minister, but my wife said she would leave the country if that ever happened. I am sure a lot of Americans think about what they would do if they were to become President. But how much influence do those jobs really have nowadays? Don't know. I suspect a lot of people just complain but assume that nothing can be done to improve things. Anyway, that's my take on this. : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Raghu Kota [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: oracle and America I agree with Kimberly, I don't why Canada simply following US?? I think Canada has every capacity to emerge as powerful nation. Simply following with out any backbone creates lot of problems in economy and society too. From: Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: oracle and America Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:25 -0800 The sad part is the Canadian government feels compelled to follow the Americans are replacing some of their apps that ran on Unix to Windows. Actually, the app is an American one that they let us use. A lot of critical stuff is still on Unix. Then again, ours ships really don't need reliable stuff as we don't do anything except support:-) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 2:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Holy mackerel! I hope there isn't some rogue nation buying all our old VAX clusters to run their navy. We'll get our behinds kicked! - Jerry - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:06 AM On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: I thought I hea
RE: oracle and America
Well, for a while there was Corel LINUX, but Microsoft poured funds into that company so they stopped developing for the LINUX platform. Now Microsoft is divesting itself of Corel stock, so the company is adrift again, they crippled it. The CEO Michael Cowpland (a rather eccentric fellow) left the company he founded. Corel as of this week now says they will go back to their roots, i.e. graphics software. Hum, another company that tried to develop an OS for PCs that got skewered by the big player. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jacques Kilchoer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: oracle and America -Original Message- From: Raghu Kota [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: mercredi, 14. mars 2001 10:36 I agree with Kimberly, I don't why Canada simply following US?? I think Canada has every capacity to emerge as powerful nation. Simply following with out any backbone creates lot of problems in economy and society too. Well said. Who on the list is Canadian? I think our list friends from the frozen north should get together to develop their own brand of UNIX. You can call it Canux. :) Once Canux is written and available for an Intel or Amdahl processor, I promise I'll install it on my PC at home. But please make it "Linux-compatible". Also it should have an install option for french of course. I want to see french man pages. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OEM saga continues...
rs ago, I do not believe anything I read in the media (it is both better and worse than it is reported). And yes, there is a separate Canadian culture. (Part of which is wondering if we have a separate culture.) /RANT Sigh.., and the day after I promised Jared I would behave. Dave -- Dave Morgan Senior Database Administrator Internet Barter Inc. www.bartertrust.com 408-910-4183 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dave Morgan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OEM saga continues...
Another update: I can't ping my workstation from the OEM console, this explains a lot! Now I have to get this resolved by the networking people... Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Boivin, Patrice J [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:OEM saga continues... Oracle says they tried to e-mail me something but it got bounced. Since I can get e-mails from the listserv, an update on the OEM saga: I de-registered all the events from the console, and suddenly jre.exe stopped using 80-96% of the CPU. Problem is that now, I have a handful of events marked as "de-registration pending" but nothing is happening to the entries. Roughly half of the original list of events was cleared properly yesterday, but now I am left with these spurious entries in the event list. A few weeks ago you may remember I asked if anyone knew how I could speed up Java. No response was received, so today I decided to try changing the priority class for jrew.exe from Normal to High. The GUI is running at a reasonable pace now. Still a bit slow, but it's much better than before. I am running OEM 2.2. on an 8.1.6. repository, they are on the same server. That means I have an OEM 2.2. Intelligent Agent and an 8.1.6 Intelligent Agent on the same machine. I am not sure which I should be using at this point, the OEM 8.1.7. one or the 8.1.6 one? Oracle Support says the hanging events are because the agent on the particular node and the OMS are not in synch. I found a technical note on how to do that with OEM 2.1, but the package procedure they suggest executing does not exist for OEM 2.2. as far as I can tell. Oracle said they would get back to me. Meanwhile I tried to submit a simple SQL Plus job (select * from dual;). The job is in the job list and is marked as Scheduled, but nothing happens, It just sits there. I have the impression that for some reason, the Management Server cannot talk properly to the Intelligent Agent on the machine. ... still looking in to this. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: (902) 426-4774 -Original Message- From: Dave Morgan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Offtopic: Canada and America RANT Typical, a hotmail account spouting off what they know nothing about. Fact: The longest undefended border in the world is between Canada and the US. ( 7000 miles) Granted this reflects better on the US than Canada, as we could put the whole Canadian population along the border and still couldn't hold hands. Question: Name any other state that has lived peacefully beside it's neighbour with 1/10 of the population for almost 200 years? Russia and the Ukraine? China and Tibet? Germany and Denmark? It is almost 200 years because one of the defining moments of Canadian history is the War of 1812. Canadian Geopolitical Summary: We kicked America's butt. American Geopolitical Summary: We kicked Britains butt. British Geopolitical Summary: We kicked Napoleons butt. Pierre Berton's "War of 1812" and "Flames Across the Border" provide a slightly biased but relatively fair view of this conflict from the Canadian viewpoint. There are no similar British or American texts because the Canadian theatre was a very minor and trivial part of this conflict. Canadian Patriotism On Please note that this is the only war America has ever lost. To a bunch of meek and mild Canadians... /CanPat The truth is th
RE: NT Batch processes continue to run
Did you remember to put the following command at the end of your scripts? EXIT Also, if that doesn't work, you can use the kill.exe utility that comes with the NT Resource Kit. I had to put KILL NTBACKUP.EXE in the cold backup script for one of my NT servers, in the morning sometimes there would be three or more ntbackup.exe processes listed in Task Manager. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Smith, Ron L. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:NT Batch processes continue to run We have several NT Dos batch scripts that execute sql statements, copy NT files, send email, etc. For some reason after a couple of weeks the NT server slows to a crawl. We look at the running process and there are dozens of EXE and CMD processes running. The batch scripts are scheduled to run each day and complete normally. Any idea why the processes don't end? Ron Smith Database Administration [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Offtopic: Canada and America
I remember when I was about twelve my parents took me to New York City to visit, and someone on the bus saw that I had a maple leaf on my windbreaker. When they learned we were looking for a good chinese restaurant, they took the time to go to Chinatown with us and showed us where Wing Wah was. The food was excellent, and the atmosphere was just right -- the place was cramped, there were plates stacked up to the ceiling and the menus were in Chinese only, which is just what we were looking for. The New Yorkers were nice, and so we went back to New York three more times... Patrice Boivin -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offtopic: Canada and America ooh, insult my city will ya :) people in NY are friendly -- I have never had a problem with smiling at someone and talking to them. I have had people rushing to help me when I have had a problem. Everyone I know who comes here expecting the stereotypical NYer, has been surprised to find out we don't all bite :) From: "William Beilstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Offtopic: Canada and America Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:23:20 -0800 I'm from Syracuse myself and the city is a nice place. Everything you want without the dog eat dog attitude of a major city like New York. Most of the time people even say hello to each other on the streets, try doing that in New York 8-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/16/01 01:06PM Ari D Kaplan wrote: Upstate NY is great - Buffalo, Niagara Falls, Syracuse, and the best place in the world: COOPERSTOWN. (For those not familiar with baseball, this is the Baseball Hall of Fame). -Ari and the Kodak museum in rochester, and the eversion museum [housed in an award wining building by I.M.Pei] in syracuse, and the finger lakse wineries and damn i've lived here too long.;-) -- Bill Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: William Beilstein INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing
RE: OT -- A humorous reply to the Canada rulz
Home of baseball... home of baseball... That doesn't mean anything -- it's like billboards that say "Our product was voted the best!" The best what? Voted by whom? Emotion with no context. Advertising at its best! Do you know how many "blueberry capital of the world" towns there are in Canada? There must be hundreds of them. : ) BTW I don't know if all that stuff was true, although I know the telephone, Marconi, and basketball are very likely to be true. And I know there are no smarties in the U.S., a friend of mine went to PA for a while and he practically begged us to mail him some. Pat. -Original Message- From: Kevin Kostyszyn Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT -- A humorous reply to the Canada rulz Wow that was good!! You know, I don't really like baseball, but I am pretty sure that when you drive into Hoboken it says on a sign "Home of Baseball and Frank Sinatra". hmm Canada invented hockey, but they also invented curling didn't they. Yeah, isn't that like the Canadian version of shuffle board? -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L U, Is this kinda like Mr. Sulu on Star Trek who was sure that the Russians invented everything? I might be wrong (happens all the time), but I thought Baseball and Basketball were distinctly inventions of the USA. You might be able to tell I'm a rabid fan of neither. Penicillin and the telephone?? Other delusions of grandeur? How about the only country that can't decide if they're English or French? How about the US's biggest colony via cultural conquest(ohh, that's a low blow). How about never saw a bikini except in National Geographic? I could go on, but I'm not sure my humor translates all that well, and the firewall has Babelfish blocked. Dan "not about to give up my day job" -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sorry about this, but someone sent me this and I thought it might be relevant to the Canada and US discussion that took place last week. With all the recipes going around, I thought it wouldn't do any harm. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- So, what do Canadians have to be proud of? * Smarties * Crispy Crunch Coffee Crisp * The size of our footballs fields and one less Down * Baseball is Canadian * Lacrosse is Canadian * Hockey is Canadian * Basketball is Canadian * Apple pie is Canadian * Mr. Dress-up kicks Mr. Rogers ass * Tim Hortons kicks Dunkin' Donuts ass * In the war of 1812, started by America, Canadians pushed the Americans back...past their 'White House'. Then we burned it... and most of Washington, under the command of William Lyon McKenzie who was insane and hammered all the time. We got bored because they ran away, so we came home and partied ... Go figure... * Canada has the largest French population that never surrendered to Germany. * We have the largest English population that never ever surrendered or withdrew during any war to anyone, anywhere. * Our civil war was a bar fight that lasted a little over an hour. * The only person who was arrested in our civil war was an American mercenary, who slept in and missed the whole thing...but showed up just in time to get caught. * We knew plaid was cool far before Seattle caught on. * The Hudsons Bay Company once owned over 10% of the earth's surface and is still around as the worlds oldest company * The average dog sled team can kill and devour a full grown human in under 3 minutes. * We still know what to do with all the parts of a buffalo. * We don't marry our kin-folk. * We invented ski-doos, jet-skis, velcro, zippers, insulin, penicillin, zambonis, the telephone and short wave radios that save countless lives each year * We ALL have frozen our tongues to something metal and lived to tell about it. *BUT MOST IMPORTANT! *the handles on our beer cases are big enough to fit your hands with mitts on. ooh Canada!! Oh yeah... and our elections only take one day. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the
RE: OT -- A humorous reply to the Canada rulz
The propaganda says in this country that it's a Mr. Nesbitt (?) from New Brunswick, Canada... There rarely are original ideas in the world, maybe basketball is another case of plagiarism. : ) -Original Message- From: Steve Orr Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT -- A humorous reply to the Canada rulz Actually, I think the Aztecs (or some other Central American tribe) invented basketball and the losers were slain literally. Now that's what I call a salary cap. We need something like that in professional sports today. Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L U, Is this kinda like Mr. Sulu on Star Trek who was sure that the Russians invented everything? I might be wrong (happens all the time), but I thought Baseball and Basketball were distinctly inventions of the USA. You might be able to tell I'm a rabid fan of neither. Penicillin and the telephone?? Other delusions of grandeur? How about the only country that can't decide if they're English or French? How about the US's biggest colony via cultural conquest(ohh, that's a low blow). How about never saw a bikini except in National Geographic? I could go on, but I'm not sure my humor translates all that well, and the firewall has Babelfish blocked. Dan "not about to give up my day job" -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sorry about this, but someone sent me this and I thought it might be relevant to the Canada and US discussion that took place last week. With all the recipes going around, I thought it wouldn't do any harm. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- So, what do Canadians have to be proud of? * Smarties * Crispy Crunch Coffee Crisp * The size of our footballs fields and one less Down * Baseball is Canadian * Lacrosse is Canadian * Hockey is Canadian * Basketball is Canadian * Apple pie is Canadian * Mr. Dress-up kicks Mr. Rogers ass * Tim Hortons kicks Dunkin' Donuts ass * In the war of 1812, started by America, Canadians pushed the Americans back...past their 'White House'. Then we burned it... and most of Washington, under the command of William Lyon McKenzie who was insane and hammered all the time. We got bored because they ran away, so we came home and partied ... Go figure... * Canada has the largest French population that never surrendered to Germany. * We have the largest English population that never ever surrendered or withdrew during any war to anyone, anywhere. * Our civil war was a bar fight that lasted a little over an hour. * The only person who was arrested in our civil war was an American mercenary, who slept in and missed the whole thing...but showed up just in time to get caught. * We knew plaid was cool far before Seattle caught on. * The Hudsons Bay Company once owned over 10% of the earth's surface and is still around as the worlds oldest company * The average dog sled team can kill and devour a full grown human in under 3 minutes. * We still know what to do with all the parts of a buffalo. * We don't marry our kin-folk. * We invented ski-doos, jet-skis, velcro, zippers, insulin, penicillin, zambonis, the telephone and short wave radios that save countless lives each year * We ALL have frozen our tongues to something metal and lived to tell about it. *BUT MOST IMPORTANT! *the handles on our beer cases are big enough to fit your hands with mitts on. ooh Canada!! Oh yeah... and our elections only take one day. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Center. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. -- Please see th
RE: Rachel in Vietnam??
There is a show on a cable TV channel here where the host's job is to go around the best spas in the world to tell us how good they are. Now there's a job! Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: Carle, William T (Bill), NLCIO Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Rachel in Vietnam?? We all know by now that Rachel wasn't really in Vietnam (way, way too young). But I've seen this subject line so many times by now that it's starting to look like Rachel is hosting her own show on the Travel Channel or something. Maybe we could have a thread like Rachel in Hawaii, Rachel in Paris, or Rachel Visits a Chocolate Factory. Just a thought. Bill Carle ATT Database Administrator 816-995-3922 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Carle, William T (Bill), NLCIO INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: But all is not gloom and doom for Oracle...
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Cleaning up before upgrades / migrations; avoiding upgrade proble ms
Hi, We are preparing to upgrade our databases here from 7.3.4. to 8.1.6.. Do you have any suggestions re. re-organization, "cleaning up" before the migration is done, or just after it is done, and before I release the servers to the developers and end users? If you have done this type of upgrade before, any problems encountered? e.g. separating indexes and tables, right now they are all lumped in the same tablespace. Ensuring that extent sizes are appropriate. I intend to use export / import to do the transition instead of the migration utility. I am testing that today with a few schemas on NT, will test it again later with full exports / imports on Tru64 when we receive our new Digital servers. TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: Michael Netrusov Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby Yosi, Hot standby db protects you from the data corruption. Any kind of mirroring does not - it's just a copy. HTH, Michael Netrusov, www.atelo.com - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 06:10 Hi All, Can anyone give me a quick (free!) lesson on the concepts behind timefinder? How does this differ from their standard SRDF which (to my understanding) is to split the mirror and back it up. Or is it that they add their BCV stuff to SRDF so you can access the data while the mirror is split? Then, is it like a Hot Standby DB? (We used to get something in high school that was some sort of mixture between fish and potatoes, and we could never figure out if it was fish or if it was potatoes, or both, or neither. Somehow, this is reminding me of that.) Thanks loads, Yosi -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Michael Netrusov INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT -- Windows Shutdown folder
Does anyone know of an equivalent of the Startup folder in Windows, but that would run just before shutdowns? I found a utility from PC Mag but I was wondering if there was something else out there. This has nothing to do with work, it's for my old Windows95 PC at home. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Metalink customer satisfaction surveys
Have any of you received one of those lately? I remember last year they used to check with us to see whether we were happy with the service, but I have received nothing in a long time. Someone soft closed one of my TARs, saying he had sent me the information I requested, but I can't find anything in my e-mail folders re. that TAR. I got the notices telling me the TAR has been updated, but I didn't receive the information the tech says he sent me -- at least I can't find it anywhere. My question was re. how we can secure the OEM, i.e. how to ensure that the OEM the DBAs use will be the only one in use to access our databases. What's to stop a developer or an end user from downloading the OEM for free, then using it to send jobs to the databases using the intelligent agents? Nothing, as far as I can see, if we go with the default configurations. I would very much like to see the guidelines I requested re. securing the OEM... I updated the TAR myself, maybe they will "un-soft-close" it. There is someone from Oracle development group on the ODTUG listserv, I sure wish there was someone from customer support or from the Oracle engineers group on this listserv. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: . . .Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster / SAN?
We are doing that here, we have a 7 ft. tall SAN frame with dozens of hard disks laying about in boxes, with two es-40s also in boxes. We plan to have that put together by mid April. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: Hand, Michael T Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: . . .Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster / SAN? Thanks for the heads up. We are also planning upgrades from 40F to 5.1 nonclustered with Oracle 8.0.6. Has anyone considered or implemented Compaq's SAN architecture? Mike Hand Polaroid Corp -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lee, Be sure to check the alerts on Metalink for Tru64 (Product Lifecycle, Alerts). There are OS level patches requried for nonclustered systems. See Note 132391.1. Jay Hostetter Oracle DBA D. E. Communications Ephrata, PA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/28/01 03:00AM Is this problem specific to the cluster solution or has it manifested itself on non-clustered setups ? We are about to implement a Tru64 5.1 Oracle 8.1.7 system. As I cannot access the tar you mentioned could you please forward on the instructions. Regards Lee -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hand, Michael T INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT -- # tables in your db (was: Slow database)
"very complex" at 300 tables. I checked on mine, excluding SYS and SYSTEM, I have 3185 tables. 159 database links. 1064 views, again excluding SYS and SYSTEM. This is on Oracle 7.3.4. I am sure this is not the smallest db out there... (It's my birthday, so what if I feel a bit competitive today -- let's start a thread). : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Slow database We are running an oracle database 8i, we have several Ms Access applications connected by ODBC to this database. The database is very complex ,in total about 300 tables and of course PL/SQL procedures We also have many different schemas in this database. But we have a big problem, when we are quering the database( a procedure runs) it sometimes take so long time to get the result, almost one hour, but sometimes it just takes about 20 seconds to get the result. Which means that this doesnt happen everytime. What do you suggest that I should do? Do we need to split the database? Is there any problem with the Accessapplication, i mean is it possibility that MsAccess cant access oracledatabases always when the database is very big. And that the reason to slow access to the database should be in the Access environment? Please help me with any suggestions how to solve this. /Roland Skldblom -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: RANT ABOUT OCP, Re: Small help
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
Also, for Oracle 7 at least, the documentation is about 10,000 pages long, that would take a lot of tapes. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: dana Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes --- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any place where we can get Oracle books on Tape (Audio tapes or CD's) RK I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers). I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD. However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book. 1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice. 2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files 3. Burn to CD. Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive one. - Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: dana INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
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RE: OT -- Friday Recipe was: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
Can you send it through as a .wav file? : ) -Original Message- From: Thater, William [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: OT -- Friday Recipe was: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes Rachel Carmichael wrote: dunno any votes for my shortbread cookie recipe? i move we have the godess' shortbread recipe! seconds?;-) and why do i think it's not going to be good for my diet?;-) -- Bill Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
8.1.6.3.1. patch causing problems?
FYI I am not certain, but I suspect that the 8.1.6.3.1. for Oracle on NT causes problems with the database NT service. I am re-installing NT now, will re-install 8.1.6., patch it to 8.1.6.3.0, then install OEM 2.1, patch that, ... To see if my hypothesis is correct. I applied patches to the OEM and to Oracle, but afterwards we could not start the NT service because it could not find something in oran8.dll... Oracle Support sent me information on how to use oradim, we tried that but got the same error. It's too bad because after patching Java was running at a half decent speed, hopefully the 8.1.6.3.0 patch will prove to be enough to resolve that problem. I will let you know how things go. Pat. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8.1.6.3.1. patch causing problems?
FYI Oracle Support just called me back, apparently I was using the "old" version of the 8.1.6.3.1. patch, they retired it and re-introduced a "new" 8.1.6.3.1. patch in February. Since then they produced patches 8.1.6.3.2, 8.1.6.3.3, and 8.1.6.3.4. All since February. They asked me why I wasn't considering implementing 8.1.7... I told them I would rather play it safe, once 8.1.7 has been out for a while, maybe. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: Boivin, Patrice J [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8.1.6.3.1. patch causing problems? FYI I am not certain, but I suspect that the 8.1.6.3.1. for Oracle on NT causes problems with the database NT service. I am re-installing NT now, will re-install 8.1.6., patch it to 8.1.6.3.0, then install OEM 2.1, patch that, ... To see if my hypothesis is correct. I applied patches to the OEM and to Oracle, but afterwards we could not start the NT service because it could not find something in oran8.dll... Oracle Support sent me information on how to use oradim, we tried that but got the same error. It's too bad because after patching Java was running at a half decent speed, hopefully the 8.1.6.3.0 patch will prove to be enough to resolve that problem. I will let you know how things go. Pat. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: AT scheduler
Are you saying that Microsoft products don't come with useful documentation? Documentation that can help you diagnose problems when things go wrong??? gasp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: David Messer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: "AT" scheduler I've gotten similarly odd performance from AT. I find that it, among other issues, doesn't do well if there are gaps in the list of job ids. For instance, if jobs are 1,2,3,19,20,21 (as a result of deleting and re-adding jobs) then jobs 1,2,and 3 run but not the others. Restarting the Schedule service seems to prompt a renumbering that seems to solve that problem. I've yet to see any documentation that explains the odd behavior. David -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If you are running on NT, I strongly recommend you obtain crontab for Windows. AT will run 99.99% of the time... but not 100% of the time. On one of the servers here AT failed to run the very night that we were changing the time last Fall, very suspicious in my opinion. In any case for AT just do: at hh24:mm /every:M,T,W,Th,F,S,Su cmd /c pointer_to_my_script_or_program e.g. at 22:00 /every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c c:\pat\coldbackup.cmd That will create an entry: Added a new job with Job ID = some number To see the listing, just type AT [enter] To remove an entry, at ID_num /delete e.g. at 12 /delete Don't try to keep your jobs listing in any particular order, NT shuffles them around sometimes when you do maintenance on the server or when you reboot. For AT jobs to run, of course the Scheduler service must be running. The service has a couple of different names, depending on which service pack you installed on your server. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -Original Message- From: Smith, Ron L. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:"AT" scheduler Can anyone tell me how to schedule a batch job to run every 5 minutes using the "AT" scheduler? Thanks! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: David Messer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message B
RE: Metalink Response ....FYI
Speaking of cost-cutting, anyone have any idea when Oracle will bottom out on the stock market? I am wondering whether now would be a good time to invest... I think we are getting close to that now, but I say that every day lately and the stock seems to be dropping further every few days. Pat. -Original Message- From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Metalink Response FYI Randy Baker left, yes...and another fellow...forced out, virtually. Then, the cost cutting began. People attrited or let go...cheaper monitors and equipment...reduced training budgets. "We Saved a Billion Dollars Last Year" by not doing their job. == -Original Message- == From: Eric D. Pierce [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] == Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:22 PM == To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L == Subject: RE: Metalink Response FYI == == == Steve, == == Thanks for the very interesting comments. Are those webified == apps with similar requirements as metalink? == == Also, didn't the VP in charge of support leave Oracle about a == year or so ago? == == == regards, == ep == == On 3 Apr 2001, at 7:26, Steve Adams wrote: == == ==I'd say that there must be something badly wrong with == the application if it ==cannot cope with 1,500 concurrent users. I know of == sites supporting more than 20 ==times that number of active users on a single server == with consistent sub-second ==response times. == == ... == == -- == Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com == -- == Author: Eric D. Pierce == INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == == Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: == (858) 538-5051 == San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / == Mailing Lists == - == --- == To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message == to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of == 'ListGuru') and in == the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L == (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed == from). You may == also send the HELP command for other information (like == subscribing). == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: new DBA/DBO basic training
I read the caption at the bottom, and I dutifully deleted the message from my machine. Ooops! Now I am going to receive a copy of my reply! My, this will never end... Pat. -Original Message- From: lerobe - Lee Robertson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: new DBA/DBO basic training One thing, I've always thought Kevin was fairly sane :-)) Sorry couldn't resist it. -Original Message- From: andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2001 12:50 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: new DBA/DBO basic training Dear all ! I'm leaving my current job soon , but before i leave i need to teach one of the developers here some very-very basic DBA / DBO stuff. This guy is going to support our existing databases . I'm just wondering what should i teach him . The training must be short and very practical . He knows some basic SQL already . I thought of briefly giving him some Oracle instance/database concepts , i.e. what is instance , SGA , background processes , database , tablespace , rollback segments . Then i thought of just showing him how to shutdown / start up the instance and the listener . Then a short session on SQL*Loader ( we use it a lot here ) , exp/imp . I also gave him the Kevin Looney's "Oracle DBA Handbook" to take a look at . Am i missing something ? Please advice . Please note that taking a course is not an option for us . Thanks a lot . Andrey . The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Metalink Response ....FYI
No, it's that my RRSP (pension plan in Canada) has been dropping steadily in value the past months, and I am getting antsy. I thought that a bit a diversifying (investing in the U.S. as well as Canada) might not be a bad thing, esp. if solid companies are currently undervalued. I can wait though -- no rush. Thanks. Pat. -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Metalink Response FYI Pat, You must be overpaid if you have money that you can play with in the market. I wouldn't let your boss hear that you have extra cash. Remember your "last" pay raise??? It just might be that exactly!! ROR mm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/01 08:20AM Speaking of cost-cutting, anyone have any idea when Oracle will bottom out on the stock market? I am wondering whether now would be a good time to invest... I think we are getting close to that now, but I say that every day lately and the stock seems to be dropping further every few days. Pat. -Original Message- From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Metalink Response FYI Randy Baker left, yes...and another fellow...forced out, virtually. Then, the cost cutting began. People attrited or let go...cheaper monitors and equipment...reduced training budgets. "We Saved a Billion Dollars Last Year" by not doing their job. == -Original Message- == From: Eric D. Pierce [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] == Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:22 PM == To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L == Subject: RE: Metalink Response FYI == == == Steve, == == Thanks for the very interesting comments. Are those webified == apps with similar requirements as metalink? == == Also, didn't the VP in charge of support leave Oracle about a == year or so ago? == == == regards, == ep == == On 3 Apr 2001, at 7:26, Steve Adams wrote: == == ==I'd say that there must be something badly wrong with == the application if it ==cannot cope with 1,500 concurrent users. I know of == sites supporting more than 20 ==times that number of active users on a single server == with consistent sub-second ==response times. == == ... == == -- == Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com == -- == Author: Eric D. Pierce == INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == == Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: == (858) 538-5051 == San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / == Mailing Lists == - == --- == To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message == to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of == 'ListGuru') and in == the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L == (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed == from). You may == also send the HELP command for other information (like == subscribing). == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet ac
RE: Metalink Again
A TRS-80? Why not a Sinclair? : ) -Original Message- From: Kevin Kostyszyn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Metalink Again Suprisingly, I just logged on and it took only a second. Amazing!! They must have gotten that other Tandy computer running again. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is anyone else having problems with Metalink today? Todd Carlson Oracle 8i Certified DBA Bunge Corporation -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT -- RE: Re: Metalink Again, tandy computers
I was in grade 11 when the TRS-80 came out. Our geography teacher had one at home, but he brought it in. In our electronics lab downstairs that teacher spent hours and hours working on his Apple IIE with Heathkit learning modules, which he later used to teach us Boolean logic and rudimentary logic board manufacturing. He was the best teacher we ever had, including the anonymous, distant, uncaring university profs I went through later. We had a computer lab upstairs with twelve Commodore PETs, with ROM-based operating system -- you didn't need to "boot" THOSE machines! Far superior to the disk-based nonsense we have now. Meanwhile we were still submitting FORTRAN punch cards which were shipped to the local university, there was a week turnaround time for those. The TRS-80 was a silvery-grey and dark grey thing with the screen part of the computer, with a keyboard with black keys, if I remember correctly. Grey and black text-only monitor. Nice. I think that was Radio Shack's heyday, when they made their own computers. I never bought one, which could be indicative of why they gave this up in the end... I think they lost focus now, people don't do electronics much anymore, too busy playing useless video games. Too hypnotized. Re. electronics, anyone seen a Popular Electronics magazine in local stores lately? I haven't seen any in years. They still haven't been able to improve on those ASCII graphics characters for games, now they use all this 3D full-colour stuff that no one needs. How disappointing. I wish someone would write an emulation of the old Star Trek Arcade game, still hasn't been done that I know of. aah, those were the days. When we were wondering whether to go with PC-DOS or MS-DOS... When Apple screens were about the size of a coaster... When we were manually cutting the edge of our 5 1/4" floppy disk, to make them 2-sided diskettes, to get that extra 160K or 320K of disk space... When the programs that were written were understandable, not that object-oriented modular bloated code... When you could store a dozen programs on a single-density 5 1/4" diskette... When assembly language programming could be used to write programs, not just drivers... I wax nostalgic now in my old age, I reached a new low of 35 years old last week... : ) Pat. -Original Message- From: Joseph S. Testa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: OT: Re: Metalink Again, tandy computers Anyone besides me remember the old tandy computers? my first computer: TRS-80 Model III, 16K of ram, used to program it using assembler, i think the package was called "edasm"?, no disk drive(too expensive), cassette tape player, 50 baud :) joe -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT : Sinclair was RE: Metalink Again
I have a copy of PC Magazine volume 1, number 1 in my bookcase at home. The only thing is we cut out a coupon that was on the inside of the back cover, so there is a corner missing. The one will all those wooden puppets standing on the computer, and Charlie Chaplin. I remember standing at CompuCentre and the sales person telling me assembly language for the IBM PC was going to be really tough because of "shadowed" memory -- I think she meant segmented memory... Pat. -Original Message- From: Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT : Sinclair was RE: Metalink Again One of the RD guys says he has a prett good collection of this kind of early stuff from the PC industry, he says that there aren't much of any good museums of PC technology (yet). At least for historical interest reasons, it might be worth holding onto, especially if you have something that is rare, or otherwise a bit out of the mainstream. regards, ep -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle being scalable
The e-mail system chopped up the link, you have to edit it and put the tml back in... unless the page has actually disappeared... You can also get to it from the www.oracle.com main page, it's one of the links. Pat. -Original Message- From: Glasrot, Nechama [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle being scalable that page has been moved ... colour me surprised! Nechama Glasrot Oracle DBA Seisint, Inc. 6601 Park of Commerce Blvd. Boca Raton, Florida 33487 nglasrot @seisint.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct 561.999.3977 Main 561.999.4400 Fax 561.999.4695 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Have you seen this? http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/featurestory/index.html?wintergrp .h tml Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography Fisheries and Oceans Canada -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glasrot, Nechama INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OWS / OAS / iAS cartridge limit
We have an old Oracle Web Server 3.0.1.1 here, with now nine cartridges, and CPU remains consistently above 95%. This is a dual 350MHz CPU Dell PowerEdge 2400. I am curious now, is there a practical limit to the number of cartridges an Oracle Web Server can support without some part of it becoming a CPU hog. Out of curiosity, are there people out there running Oracle web server setups with eight or more cartridges concurrently? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Bedford Institute of Oceanography -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Parallel index builds can crash
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RE: Never split index and data files ...
It seems to me this is a debate about whether to separate tables from indexes at the hardware (RAID stripe) level, vs. doing it by placing them in different tablespaces, with the tablespaces located on separate devices. Either way the indexes and the tables should not be on the same physical device, is this correct? Now we can wonder - is Oracle faster at doing I/O when we are accessing indexes and tables in two separate tablespaces, or would the hardware RAID be faster when accessing stripes containing multiple physical devices. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Adams [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: "Never split index and data files ..." Hi Allan, Thanks for that reference. It is a much better treatment than the Oracle paper on the matter. The Oracle paper says "Stripe all files across all disks using a one megabyte stripe width". The Sun paper stops short of saying "all ... all" which is a very significant difference. It says "As an extreme one could take every disk in the system, and stripe each table over every disk. In practice, it is more practical to break up all the disks into a few pools". It also says, "The database layout practice of keeping data and index separate is still useful, but using it for a first-order layout rule is a mistake." This is consistent with what I recommend in the series of tips on disk configuration on the Ixora web site. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 21:20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There is also an article on Wide Thin Disk Striping at Sun Blue prints http://www.sun.com/software/solutions/blueprints/1000/layout.pdf which expands on this philosophy. Allan From: "Steve Adams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: "Never split index and data files ..." Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:25:25 -0800 Hi All, The author (Anjo Kolk) is an advocate of SAME (stripe and mirror everything). The SAME philosophy is that "everything" should be striped across all the disks available. Separating indexes from their tables is contrary to that philosophy. I don't agree with it, but that's where he's coming from anyway. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 6:56 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Whoaaa, I sure hope someone can, because I have never heard that before? Kev -Original Message- Ghosalkar Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Guys, i was checking my statspack report on oraperf and i came across this statement. "Never split index and data files to different sets of disks." can anyone xplain the logic behind this. Thanks Mandar -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steve Adams INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051
RE: Oracle vs DB2
Well, This is on topic - www.wired.com http://www.wired.com today has an article re. IBM announced that it is buying Informix for $1Billion. Ah, if only I had that kind of money myself - I could take more Oracle courses! I don't know what will happen with Informix then, does that mean they will gobble it up and DB2 will be the only option in a couple of years? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dennis Taylor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Oracle vs DB2 Disclaimer: I am *not* trying to start a religious war, and I am *not* trying to advocate DB2. I am simply offended. Thus this post. As some may remember, I'm doing an evaluation of Oracle vs DB2 vs SQLServer to determine our future direction. Here's a datum that makes a significant difference to us, dollar-wise. With Oracle, in order to make a database accessible to the internet through a web page, you have to buy an unlimited-user enterprise license. We had a senior sales person in our office yesterday, and we asked this question a number of different ways. He bobbed and he weaved, but he did not deny it. And the quote he supplied afterwards does not address the issue at all. Cost of unlimited-user Enterprise version for our installation (your mileage may vary) = Approx $160,000 Cdn. IBM, for the same purpose, will sell you DB2 UDB Workgroup edition (1 user), and something called WE Internet Access, for a total price of $6000 Cdn. I have a written quote from an IBM salescritter to this effect. $6000. $160,000. $6000. $160,000. Hm. Let me think. I respectfully submit that Oracle's pricing structure is out of line with market realities, and may have to undergo significant revision. Dennis Taylor Don't be fooled by old cliches - He who laughs last may have just figured out the joke. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle vs DB2
). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT -- market analysts are afraid of setting SELL recommendations
FYI, I got this at home last night from Quicken Canada, it talks about NY brokerage houses and why so few of them right now are telling people to sell their stocks. I am forwarding this because I don't know if Quicken in the U.S. distributed anything similar (probably they did). http://www.quicken.ca/eng/investing/news/shownews.jsp?cId=262928 http://www.quicken.ca/eng/investing/news/shownews.jsp?cId=262928 Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: looking job
I think it's hard too to find positions outside your own country, many recruiters don't want to bother because of the regulatory hassles, costs involved for visas, and paperwork. All that extra work means more risk for them, most people don't want to take risks if they can avoid it. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re:RE: looking job Aw, come on, I think Dennis's post is much better than that gibberish we get otherwise. Nice short directly to the point. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Rahul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/26/2001 3:45 AM careful...careful... or the list admin would issue a SQL revoke post any from dennis; -- From: Lazy DBA[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: looking job Hi everyone ; i want to work in US or Europe. I am not living there now. I work as a Computer Engineer (Database Admin on Oracle). I have nearly 6 years experience for this. If you help me about this subject you will make me happy. if you interest i will send my CV document. Best Regards Dennis __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Lazy DBA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rahul INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want
RE: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves
I think these are just statements of direction... I set goals for myself all the time, setting them is a lot easier than reaching them! If I had met my goals, by now I would be a millionaire, perfectly fit, pleasant to everyone, intelligent, perceptive, street wise, useful to everyone who comes in contact with me, etc. etc. I am way behind where I should be! : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jack C. Applewhite [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves Ian, Past history forces me to disagree. If it takes Oracle as long to perfect AutoTuning as it has to perfect the Cost Based Optimizer, DBAs will continue to be in demand for decades to come! Jack Jack C. Applewhite Database Administrator/Developer OCP Oracle8 DBA iNetProfit, Inc. Austin, Texas www.iNetProfit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (512)327-9068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/25/01 06:36PM I foresee the database being sold as a turn key product configured by Oracle at a reduced price. In order to receive the discount the purchaser would have to agree not to mess with the initSID.ora parameters, nor take any action which would enable or disable any database options. What?!, not change init.ora parameters, you scoff. Remember that Oracle 9i has some autotuning capability. I expect, at first, autotuning will not work as advertised, but over time will mature into a powerful product. Ian MacGregor -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jack C. Applewhite INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
FW: Oracle Application Development Tools - Statement of Direction
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RE: RE: looking job
I am still sorting out that TN visa business - I am not sure but I think one has to go back to their country of origin at least once a year, to update the visa. I was told that all I need is US$55 at the border, with a letter of offer from an American employer. I have no idea how that would work - e.g. accepting a permanent position in the U.S. on a TN visa. Where would I pay income taxes? Canada? The U.S.? Nowhere? Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves
I liked the O'Reilly book, but don't know if they updated it for 8i - time to do it soon, if it hasn't been done! 9i is coming this summer... Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Lord David [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves Well, we run lots (70 odd) of smallish (4-16Gb) databases that usually don't need a lot of tuning. Hence, if we do have to tune something, its a real pain because we don't have the experience of doing it every day. So, as far as I'm concerned, roll on autotuning. There's plenty to keep us occupied at 'higher' levels. However, on the 'career' front, I'd like to learn more, so could anybody recommend a good book on tuning? TIA David Lord -Original Message- Sent: 26 April 2001 23:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I didn't assert that DBA's will become expendable, nor did I state a timeframe for when autotuning will become a usable option. I doubt autotuning will ever be perfect, but any DBA who thinks he is, has a vainglorious opinion if himself. I believe in the fullness of time, between 5 and 10 years, autotuning will be good enough for at least 80% of the Oracle databases. We tune based on our expericences and on the experiences of others. Many of these experiences could be codified as rules. We also fine tune our rules or derive new ones as new situations arise. I doubt autotuning will be doing the five or ten year period. If you think autotuning is a death knell, keep in mind here is more to being a DBA than changing init.ora parameters and that the skillset required will change over time. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] OCP Oracle8 DBA iNetProfit, Inc. Austin, Texas www.iNetProfit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (512)327-9068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/25/01 06:36PM I foresee the database being sold as a turn key product configured by Oracle at a reduced price. In order to receive the discount the purchaser would have to agree not to mess with the initSID.ora parameters, nor take any action which would enable or disable any database options. What?!, not change init.ora parameters, you scoff. Remember that Oracle 9i has some autotuning capability. I expect, at first, autotuning will not work as advertised, but over time will mature into a powerful product. Ian MacGregor -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Lord David INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL
type# values in sys.obj$ on 8.1.6.
Would someone know what the type# values correspond to, in sys.obj$ on Oracle 8.1.6.? There are a number of new values in there. Oracle also tagged a # character at the end of the column name, I guess they always warned us that these x$ and xxx$ tables are not written in stone. TIA Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves
I liked that book, it is concise and to the point. No fluff No 800+ pages just for marketing purposes. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Miller, Jay [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves Oracle8 UNIX Performance Tuning by Alomari is probably the one you're talking about. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If you want to tune SQL, get Guy Harrisons book on tuning Oracle SQL. It is the best document available for that. Some books I've heard are very good, but can't recomment cuz I haven't read em yet are Jonathan Lewis book, 'Oracle 24x7', and 'Unix Oracle Tuning' Sorry don't have exact names, but they're easy to find on amazon. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows vs. UNIX
Try http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/ http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/ Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Raghu Kota [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Windows vs. UNIX Hi Roy There was whitepater on this, I forgot exact name, May be other members have it!! The paper name looks like ux-vs-nt!! I read once!! From: Roy Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Windows vs. UNIX Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:45:51 -0800 this is not to bring up a heated debate over the two platforms... I am making a proposal to move the current access 97 databases to an oralce platform running solaris I would like to put in the proposal a brief reason why a UNIX platform will be better than a Windows platform. the current environment: MS Access 97 databases running on Compaq server. Databases are about 20GB in size... proposed solution: Sun E3500 T3 Storage Array Solaris 8 Oracle 8i Just need a couple FACTS as to why one would choose UNIX over Windows Thanks in advance roy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Roy Ferguson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Raghu Kota INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows vs. UNIX
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RE: Re[2]: RESOURCE role
Probably because too many people use them. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jared Still [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Re[2]: RESOURCE role Probably a good idea. I wonder why Oracle hasn't replaced these 2 roles, or at least the RESOURCE role? Jared On Monday 30 April 2001 19:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever I create a new instance one of th first things that gets done is to drop the resource role. I also get rid of Connect too. Dick Goulet -- Reply Separator -- Subject: Re[2]: RESOURCE role Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/30/01 5:52 PM On Monday 30 April 2001 15:25, Jacques Kilchoer wrote: The RESOURCE role is created via $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/sql.bsq You can look at that file, or you could query DBA_ROLES DBA_ROLE_PRIVS DBA_SYS_PRIVS DBA_TAB_PRIVS DBA_COL_PRIVS Choosing a tablespace for a segment, however, is determined by the quotas allowed to the user. Check view DBA_TS_QUOTAS. Jacques, Granting RESOURCE to a user results in UNLIMITED TABLESPACE being granted directly to the user account. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT -- marketing (was Windows vs. UNIX)
Another example, to illustrate. Those of you who have kids may identify with this one. Twenty or thirty years ago you could have asked a 5 year old to play the word-association game too: McDonald's - Ronald McDonald, Hamburgler, whatever. Now it's more likely to be: McDonald's - toy They draw many more children that way than when children thought of them of just as a fun place to go. Hey, if they had toys for database administrators, I would want to go to McDonald's too! : ) P.S. Did you notice they have introduced the McRib, and other non-beef burgers since the beef crises in the UK? They are now playing ads about this here in Canada, now. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:41 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: Windows vs. UNIX Importance: Low IBM is marketing themselves as a services company now. They are trying to change the way you perceive them, if you want you can play the word association game: sky - blue. cat - claws. dog - fur. HP - laserjet printers. bank - no money left. car - gas prices. oracle - databases. grocery store - line ups Microsoft - upgrades. shopping malls - it's too warm IBM - services company. (if you thought hardware, that's wrong, according to the ad.) So - you have a crisis? Call IBM, they will find what you need, package it as a solution for your problems, and voilà! : ) Storage Solutions is like that too, in a way - many companies now outsource components that they used to manufacture themselves. The hole they are trying to plug is people's perception of their company. They are trying to position themselves differently. Position themselves differently in your mind... Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] mailto:[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Windows vs. UNIX For all those in the UK - I am sat here wondering what in the world the IBM ads could do in the way of plugging the hole? For US/International: we have had a spate of IBM ads lately on British TV where it shows a board meeting of some sort where they are having a crisis (who's in charge of web servers, whos in charge of desktop support, blah blah endless blah)- then everything focuses on an individual (usually a director) with the comment: That's when you realise you need IBM! Any insight from those all knowing Oracles out there? Mark -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If you are taking social psychology as well, maybe you can write a paper to explain why marketing tactics actually work, I never understood that one. Why is using imagery and imparting moods more effective at selling than facts and a track record? Once you have finished that paper, please send it to me, because I still don't understand. e.g. last night on TV there was a Bridgestone commercial, talking about integrity, reliability. It seems obvious to me that their sales have dropped, they did a marketing study and discovered that ooops! People don't trust them anymore. So they concoct an advertisement to present themselves as reliable, to plug a hole so to speak. This is just an example, most of the ads on TV seem to be about plugging holes... Another example was that MS ad about the system administrator with nothing to do because she was using Windows2000 servers, and therefore had no worries about anything ever going wrong... The list could go on and on. And these ads actually work! I just don't get it. (this is my opinion, not that of my employers, etc. etc., I am responsible for the effect of sharing my honest opinions, blah blah blah) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Roy Ferguson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] mailto:[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30
RE: Windows vs. UNIX
running on Compaq server. Databases are about 20GB in size... proposed solution: Sun E3500 T3 Storage Array Solaris 8 Oracle 8i Just need a couple FACTS as to why one would choose UNIX over Windows Thanks in advance roy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Roy Ferguson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Roy E. Ferguson II Intel Sacramento 916-854-1123 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Roy Ferguson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego
RE: data encryption
I was wondering if Oracle ever considered incorporating PGP into their databases. I don't know much about the different types of security (e.g. Kerberos etc.), though, so maybe that idea doesn't make any sense. : ) Is it not possible for people to write password encryption procedures in 8.1? You can write your own procedure to verify the complexity of passwords, I am surprised they wouldn't let a site develop their own password encryption scheme. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Stefan Jahnke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: data encryption Andor, Gyula schrieb: Hi Gurus ! Is there any standard method to encrypt data? We are making an application that uses application-level privilege system, so we should store passwords for users. Of course we want to store encrypted passwords, but we don't know if is there an existing way for this or try develop own encryption. What do you suggest? Thanks in advance Gyula -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andor, Gyula INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- This Mail has been checked for Viruses Attention: Encrypted Mails can NOT be checked ! *** Diese Mail wurde auf Viren ueberprueft Hinweis: Verschluesselte Mails koennen NICHT geprueft werden! Hi, you can always go with the UNIX crypt() function. That works pretty well ;). Things get more complicated if you want to be able to decrypt the password again. There is a clear distinction when it comes two one-way or two-way encryption. But usually, one-way does it. Actually, Oracle does the same. -- Regards, Stefan Jahnke BOV AG @:D2 Vodafone, Abt.: FIBM AMS-Gebäude: E6 R08 Tel.: 0211/533-4893 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Windows vs. UNIX (you are so ready for B*LLSH*T marketing,
It doesn't surprise me that they are focusing on Windows2000 as a platform. Even while one part of IBM was trying to market OS/2, other parts of IBM only wanted to support Windows95... and the CEO couldn't make up his mind. Finally OS/2 became largely irrelevant, it is still fighting to stay alive but it is in its death throws it seems to me, unless they can get their hands on the Win9X/ME/NT/2000 API code and integrate it within the OS. IBM is a services company now - they have been transformed. They bundle deals together that match what people (managers, CIOs) request... It's the only way they can survive, when you think about it. It's a jungle out there. It seems to be working too, since the new President from [Nabisco? Kellogg? A cigarette company?] took the helm, they went from red ink to black. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Jared Still [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Windows vs. UNIX (you are so ready for B*LLSH*T marketing, *!NOT!*) On Wednesday 02 May 2001 12:51, Eric D. Pierce wrote: Jared, Apparently there are super geniuses at IBM may have invented a time machine (along with free underground golf planners) that explains the 90 days business. The fact that these 'super geniuses' have hitched their carts to Win2K makes them suspect. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9iAS Forms Server Stability
I would like to hear about this as well, we will be migrating to the new version this Summer. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:9iAS Forms Server Stability Listers, 6i Forms Server in a test environment is crashing quite frequently, 3 to 4 times a day. I'm relaying this question, and I'm not real familiar with the back end configuration details, so I might be off on some things. They have an 8.1.7 test environment with 9iAS 1.0.2. Platform is HP-UX 11. 9iAS 1.0.2, I believe that would be using Forms 6i patch 2. They are using JInitiator. Access is via NT (sp4) clients using IE 5.5. The servlet, not CGI, approach is being used. They are specifying connectmode as HTTP. In the test environment, DB and 9iAS are on the same box. In production, they will be using 4 dedicated HP D class boxes for the forms servers just as they currently do. Anyway, the Forms Server is going down quite a bit in the test environment, 3 or 4 times a day. They currently use Forms 5.0 in a production web deployed environment. While there are some things that are a bit of a pain when web deploying forms, the 5.0 Forms Server has been very stable for them. So, there is some concern about the stability when using 9iAS with the included Apache server along with the Forms Server for 6i. Anyone have success or horror stories they would like to relay? Their current thinking is to wipe everything clean, do a clean re-install (they ran into a few road bumps during the install and wonder if a clean install would help), and see what happens from there. Regards, Larry G. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: might be really old topic, but please take a look
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OT -- history of Sybase spawning MS SQL Server
Windows NT into its umbrella of core operating platforms on which System 10 would be available. In addition, Microsoft would turn the OS/2 product back to Sybase so those customers who wanted to stay with OS/2 could do so. Anyway, that's the story from the Microsoft side... I haven't seen any books published from Sybase employees re. what happened, it would be interesting to compare. So Sybase was left holding the bag for SQL Server on OS/2, and Microsoft walked away with Sybase's source code. Of course they didn't see the System 10 source code, but they had the code for the previous version. And the SQL Server training manuals for the exam keep talking about how you can upgrade from 4.5 to 6.5, then from 6.5 to 7, but you can't upgrade directly from 4.5 to 7. There must be some major differences between the two, but System 10 and SQL Server 7 are cousins. p.19 says it all: By early December 1993, a large percentage of the SQL Server for the OS/2 customer base had already migrated to SQL Server for Windows NT. Our surveys showed that most of those who had not yet upgraded to Windows NT planned to do so, despite the fact that Sybase had publicly announced its intention to develop System 10 for OS/2. Anyway, sorry to be such a bore. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: (902) 426-4774 -Original Message- From: Boivin, Patrice J [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: might be really old topic, but please take a look Leslie, Sybase is what SQL Server is built from, I think. I don't know much about Sybase, but I Know that SQL Server 7 only has one transaction log file (redo log file), that you have to back up regularly and truncate otherwise your database will freeze. In SQL server there is no such thing as an archived log, you have to back up the transaction log's datafile to get your backup of transactions. This is just one example. Does Sybase support multiple log files? What about multiple archiving processes? That was a bit of a bottleneck in Oracle7 for us, and I had created the max number of redo log files. I can't imagine what it would be like with only one transaction log file... I am looking forward to our upgrade to 8.1.6., I am curious to see what multiple archiving processes can do. Re. NT and UNIX, does Microsoft still sell NT? Here we could only by Windows2000 licenses. : ) NT is good for small to medium databases that are not too mission critical, in my opinion, but from experience I much prefer UNIX. I know you probably want numbers to compare, maybe you could ask DBAs how long their NT and UNIX servers have been running without interruption, and why they were brought down the last time... Last I read on the 'net the new Windows versions will have new names. The personal software (read Win9x/ME stream plus NT Workstation) will be called WindowsXP, while the corporate operating systems (read: NT Server 4 and NT Dataserver) will be called Windows2002. I don't know when these new versions will be released, I think that for Windows2002 MS is aiming for 4th quarter of 2001 at this point. That is... this coming Autumn! Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Streeter, Lerone A LBX [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: might be really old topic, but please take a look briefly: our choice was oracle/NT, based mainly on division/corporate direction which was based on the strengths of oracle. widely installed, industry leader, robust platform. NT was a no-brainer; the majority of our knowledge is NT. price and complexity were considered also, even though you have more control over *nix, the price of boxii to run
RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software movemen t
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010503/tc/microsoft_linux_dc_2.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010503/tc/microsoft_linux_dc_2.html Let me know what you think. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software movemen
truth instead of constantly twisting it and distorting it to fit their internally self-referential greedy mentality, they could make a much better fair case (IMO). From what I've heard, at this point .Net is being dangerously underestimated by the anti-MS jihad. regards, ep On 4 May 2001, at 11:41, Mohan, Ross scribbled with alacrity and cogency: Boy, that is an excellent response, and one of the best defenses of Open Source i've heard. || -Original Message- || From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:22 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software || movemen || || || Here is Linus's response || http://web.siliconvalley.com/content/sv/2001/05/03/opinion/dgillmor/webl og/torvalds.htm -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software movemen t
A friend of mine explained to me over the weekend that open source is good for most companies, it gives them something to build on, or adds utilities to their proprietary software. Open source only becomes a threat when you want to control ALL the layers, i.e. from the OS right up to the applications. It only becomes a problem for you if you have something for all the markets, and you want to dominate all of them. That says a lot. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: David Messer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software movement Sounds like MS is afraid Open Source Software (OSS) will undermine MS. Hard to imagine a big company like MS being upset that it's competitors are selling ``flimsy,'' ''flawed,'' products that might 'jeopardizing property rights'. David -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L movemen t http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010503/tc/microsoft_linux_dc_2.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010503/tc/microsoft_linux_dc_2.html Let me know what you think. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: David Messer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Taking your time when a crisis occurs
than his production system. Otherwise his only recourse is OTS. Dick Goulet Oracle Certified 8i DBA Reply Separator Author: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/1/2001 8:55 PM Fellow list members, I received the following email from a reader a few minutes ago. If you skip down to where he talks about backup, you'll see that he's in trouble with a database that won't recover. I've already suggested that he open a TAR, and that he supply more specifics as to error messages and the like, but maybe someone on this list can draw some conclusions from what he's told me so far. If you're good at recovery, have a look at what he says. I'll post his email address later if he says its ok, === message truncated === = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Pour faire vos courses sur le Net, Yahoo! Shopping : http://fr.shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: William Beilstein INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software movemen
Now of course we want to know what that URL is... Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT -- MS makes a statement about open-source software movemen I like that prison metaphor. I've rarely metaphor i didn't! A security-guru buddy of mine sent me a site reviewing all major Unix/Linux/MS security vis a vis TCP packet snooping/spoofing. Linux came out leagues ahead. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle tuning book
Thanks, this is good news. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Oracle tuning book one that will be out in a few weeks... Oracle Performance Tuning 101 by Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha, a member of this list. (Oracle Press) No, I do not get anything for promoting this book -- except perhaps a hug from Gaja the next time I see him (but I'd get that anyway) I was privileged to do the developmental edit on the book -- major good stuff in a READABLE manner, especially for a beginner. I learned a lot. Should be out by the end of May, I believe you can pre-order it already. Rachel From: Seema Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Oracle tuning book Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:11:39 -0800 Hi Which book is good for oracle tuning(8i)? Thanks -Seema _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE:
Eric, Fess up. Are you into Hermeticism now? Alchemy on the side? Do you have ancestors in the Netherlands or the Black Forest? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: http://www.dali-estate.org/eng/pics/monta1.jpg On 7 May 2001, at 11:31, wrote: Date sent: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:31:00 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] help -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Off Topic - Blah, Blah, Blah...
Yes, the oracle server newsgroup doesn't come close to this list. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Rodd Holman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT: Off Topic - Blah, Blah, Blah... I agree, This list is like a community with some very knowledgeable and colorful characters. I enjoy the fact that we can discuss very technical items with humor and comraderie. It beats stale tech-only academic discourse by a long shot. Rodd Holman Original Message On 5/8/01, 2:37:40 PM, Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: OT: Off Topic - Blah, Blah, Blah...: we might, but we also have a LOT of heavily technical posts as well... I enjoy the off-topic stuff (at times) when I'm not swamped. And when I am swamped, well, the delete key is a wonderful thing. I basically hit delete all and then review the topics and posters and see what I really want to read :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
