Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-07 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore threat When working at International Air Transport Association (IATA), the company moved around 60 jobs from Geneva and London to Montreal because it was cheaper here. This is all business as usual. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-07 Thread Richard Ji
Maybe the thieves are running Oracle on HP and they need to add two more CPU to their server. -Original Message- From: Mogens Nrgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 9/7/2003 4:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject:Re: Offshore threat While I

Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - It doesn't work in only one direction. While jobs are bieng lost to cheaper labor markets, Indian companies now have to compete with frighteningly efficient giants like Nike, Coca Cola, IBM, Microsoft, GM, Union Carbide and others. On IT? I thought we were

Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Nuno Souto
Well, you could find a job in Canada, no? Can you find one in India too? I don't think so. So it's not business as usual. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - When working at International Air Transport Association (IATA), the company moved around 60 jobs from Geneva

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Stephane Paquette
By business as usual, I meant that executives always try to save money and will always do. Now, IT is targeted. And pepople in IT find that very difficult because the pay has been very good since 5-7 years and most people thought it would last forever. Now it's time to wake up and see that IT is

Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - forever. Now it's time to wake up and see that IT is becoming a job like another where you most hold to your job instead of going to job interview just for fun. A lot of people don't believe this when I say it, but when I started in IT in 1975 what we got now

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
-11, DAFC Data Services Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (813) 827-9974 DSN 651-9974 -Original Message- From: Stephane Paquette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore threat When working

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Mladen Gogala
: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Offshore threat When working at International Air Transport Association (IATA), the company moved around 60 jobs from Geneva and London to Montreal because it was cheaper here. This is all business

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Offshore threat - Original Message - It doesn't work in only one direction. While jobs are bieng lost to cheaper labor markets, Indian companies now have

Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-05 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - A - This is social engineering at its finest. B - There is no security without PHYSICAL security C - If you don't check up on your outsourcer, then you can apparently get the shirt stolen off your back... what scares me is these guys KNEW which boxes

Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Nuno Souto
LOL! Funny how this globalisation bull only works in one direction, eh? Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - ** Another programmer who lost his job to an Indian outsourcer is willing to relocate in India. But Indian officials have told him they don't hire

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Mladen Gogala
It doesn't work in only one direction. While jobs are bieng lost to cheaper labor markets, Indian companies now have to compete with frighteningly efficient giants like Nike, Coca Cola, IBM, Microsoft, GM, Union Carbide and others. Local companies are losing the market and have to reduce their

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Goulet, Dick
Globalization is one of those damned buzzwords that certain politicians and CEO's like to use to mean that everything will be equal between countries. In reality there is no such truth as we've seen twice in the past few years. Now maybe if we had a global monetary system, like the EURO,

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Thater, William
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: non-aggressive gentleman from India. Lawyers do need a killer instinct, DBAs do not. For those of us who have it, it's more of a hindrance then a useful tool. you, sir, have obviously not been a DBA in some of the companies i've worked

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2003-09-04 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
This is all very funny and interesting. Anybody read the story in yesterday's NY times? Mexica has a concern that their textile industry is being stolen by China because it is cheaper to make products there than in Mexico. Sound familiar? This is the business we have chosen to be into Himen

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Stephane Paquette
When working at International Air Transport Association (IATA), the company moved around 60 jobs from Geneva and London to Montreal because it was cheaper here. This is all business as usual. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Mladen Gogala
Well, being 6'4, 270 LBS, capable of running 5 miles and doing 20 pull ups, I wonder why do people get upset if I become truculent or belligerent. BTW, your nickname is Shrek. Mine is Yogi. Both nicknames suggest certain size and physical build. Am I right? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA

RE: Offshore threat

2003-09-04 Thread Thater, William
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Well, being 6'4, 270 LBS, capable of running 5 miles and doing 20 pull ups, I wonder why do people get upset if I become truculent or belligerent. BTW, your nickname is Shrek. Mine is Yogi. Both nicknames suggest certain size and

Offshore threat

2003-09-03 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
All - Recently several shared their experiences with offshore development. This month's CIO magazine is devoted to issues surrounding offshore. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. The Politics: Backlash As a growing number of IT jobs move overseas, some

Re: Offshore threat

2003-09-03 Thread rgaffuri
: 2003/09/03 Wed AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Offshore threat All - Recently several shared their experiences with offshore development. This month's CIO magazine is devoted to issues surrounding offshore. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP