Re: [ozmidwifery] Pain relief resources

2005-05-24 Thread Callum Kirsten Wooster
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Callum Kirsten Wooster Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2005 2:35 PM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pain relief resources

2005-05-23 Thread Callum Kirsten Wooster
What about including the purpose of pain? That pain during the birth process is normal and instead of being feared, should be seen as positive and worked with! There are some great articles out on that, including some work from Sarah Buckley. Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message

Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro

2005-05-15 Thread Callum Kirsten Wooster
Welcome Gloria! Kirsten BMid student midwife Darwin From: Gloria Lemay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intro I've just joined the list and live in Vancouver, BC Canada. Some of you know me from articles I've

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife petition

2005-04-19 Thread Callum Kirsten Wooster
I too had the same response from othersand concerns myself. A midwife is a midwife is a midwife full stop! Kirsten - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 19,

Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

2005-03-31 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hospital in Perth. Sadie - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Sally

Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment

2005-03-31 Thread Callum Kirsten
I grew up in Tauranga! Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment

Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment

2005-03-30 Thread Callum Kirsten
Sally-Anne, I wondered that too! I am a BMid student and have already been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then wondered if that was not a case for discrimination. Of course their stance is that i cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives in Lennox Head?

2005-03-27 Thread Callum Kirsten
Julia, UTS offer BMid, not sure if that's close to you? Kirsten 2nd year BMid Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Ivan Julia Sillitoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwives in

Re: [ozmidwifery] newbie after some help :)

2005-03-26 Thread Callum Kirsten
Try Michel Odents work. Midwifery Today website also has loads of articles, which are often useful for me! www.midwiferytoday.com Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:36 PM

[ozmidwifery] c/s article- interesting!

2005-03-21 Thread Callum Kirsten
FYI Kirsten http://www2.eobgynnews.com/scripts/om.dll/serve?article=aqo05040601c#tqo05040601c01

[ozmidwifery] Fw: Cot death on ABC tomorrow

2005-03-15 Thread Callum Kirsten
As a kiwi, i know the work of Jim Sprott well, and wrapped all 3 of my girls mattresses. It doesn't seem so common here and is worth listening too. Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Cath Grant Hatcher To: Karen Williams ; Warke, Maree ;

Re: [ozmidwifery] Double uterus cervix

2005-03-10 Thread Callum Kirsten
Phillipa, Can you email off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question for you Cheers Kirsten 2nd Year BMid ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:41 PM

[ozmidwifery] Future Birth 2005

2005-03-07 Thread Callum Kirsten
A huge thanks to Andrea Robertson for bringing the future birth tour to Darwin! I urge you all to attend, what a mind blowing day! To meet Michel Odent was amazing, but all the speakers were inspiring and it is a day i will never forget. Look out for us student midwives up

Re: [ozmidwifery] Preconception care?

2005-03-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
I'm with Kim, in NZ we were taught pre conception care as part of our uni course. It was also a part of our scope of practise, i am 2nd year at uniSA and have yet to see anything done on it here though. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Kim

Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: breech

2005-02-25 Thread Callum Kirsten
I second that Sally!, Maggie Banks is brilliant and her book is fantastic. Another brilliant NZ midwife Joan Donley, also has a book for pregnancy and childbirth , which covers breech birth, i can scan those pages and send them to you if you like? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a

Re: [ozmidwifery] question

2005-02-20 Thread Callum Kirsten
evidently being a red head (naturally of course!) means we have a tendency to bleed more. Also prone to low iron retention. Something to do with a clotting factor missing.Genetic. Its all been researched and seems quite well known. Kirsten A red head ~~~start life with a midwife~~~

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [birthings] [Fwd: want to learn]

2004-12-21 Thread Callum Kirsten
Theo Allan is also in AS. Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [birthings] [Fwd: want to learn] Abby and Toby

Re: [ozmidwifery] Uni SA B(Mid) problems

2004-12-14 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Sue, Those of us currently studying interstate got a fright when we heard about this letter! It seems it is a problem with the interstate hospitals not uniSA itself. It will affect all new applicants, and shouldn't affect those of us already studying interstate. Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [ukmidwifery] celebrity homebirth

2004-12-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Gloria Lemay Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: [ukmidwifery] celebrity homebirth http://tinyurl.com/3seu3Laura Dern, Ben Harper Have Baby GirlLOS ANGELES (AP) - ActressLaura Dern and musician Ben Harperare

[ozmidwifery] Fw: ama article

2004-11-27 Thread Callum Kirsten
FYI PLEASE READ! Kirsten Darwin - Original Message - From: virginia nock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rochelle and mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]; karen craggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mo Davy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kirsten Dobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]; annie farthing [EMAIL

Re: [ozmidwifery] External Bmidders from UniSA

2004-11-26 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Sue, I'm in Darwin and I have some issues with the hospitals about doing placements there, but I am not the only one, and it's not only reserved for BMidders either... I have looked further afield and found many hospitals, birth centres etc that would be willing to accommodate me, which is

Re: [ozmidwifery] NT Safe T Sleep Sales

2004-11-18 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Miriam, That sounds fine to me! I am not already set up as an independent business but i can easily do that. Let me know what we do from here. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Safetsleep To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday,

Re: [ozmidwifery] NT Safe T Sleep Sales

2004-11-18 Thread Callum Kirsten
Sorry that email was meant for me, but went to the list instead of my home email address. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~

Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour and Birth - the 4 P's ????

2004-11-18 Thread Callum Kirsten
Tania I second Jenny's recommendation of the book, Birthing from Within. I was given it by a wise and wonderful midwife to read and it's fantastic. Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Jenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

[ozmidwifery] Thank you

2004-11-17 Thread Callum Kirsten
Thank you to everyone who wrote, faxed, mailed, rung, and generally helped in the campaign forbirth choicein the NT. The government have come to the party and whilst there are a few things to be ironed out, it is AMAZING!! I congratulate esp. Ginny and Maternity Coalition, who have done a

[ozmidwifery] Water Birth article in womans day

2004-11-14 Thread Callum Kirsten
Water birthBy Annette CampbellYears before Lisa Magnani was ever pregnant or had even met her husband Brett, she knew how she wanted to give birth."The very first time I heard of water births was when I was much younger and happened to read something about them," she recalls. "I was very

Re: [ozmidwifery] ACMI bulletin link

2004-11-10 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Miriam, I am a kiwi living in Darwin, and used safe t sleep for all 3 of my girls. If you need any help in marketing it over here i would love to help! Kirsten Student Midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Safetsleep To: [EMAIL

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's RighttoChoose

2004-11-08 Thread Callum Kirsten
God if i got started on the whole bush thing they'd be no stopping me either!!! Kirsten darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd:

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals

2004-11-06 Thread Callum Kirsten
I don't think the disgust was aimed at the womanchoosing epidurals. It was to the OB's and the way they were in the said situations, blatantly using their power to undermine and misinform these woman. I am all for informed choice, not scaring woman half to death about the idea of pain and

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals

2004-11-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Larissa thats exactly the same reason as the Ob stated up here, not once, but to many woman i saw him with. The anaesthetist isn't always available or at work on certain days, so if you go into labour naturally you won't be guaranteed any pain relief BUT if we induce you on Monday when hes

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maggie Banks midwifery intensive

2004-11-01 Thread Callum Kirsten
If she could fit in Darwin too, it would be great! There are a few kiwi midwives up here! Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [ozmidwifery] Maggie Banks midwifery intensive and NZ midwifery

2004-10-30 Thread Callum Kirsten
*sighs* You make me so homesick. What the hell am i doing here?? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Maggie Banks midwifery

[ozmidwifery] NT NEWS FLASH!!!

2004-10-25 Thread Callum Kirsten
Congratulations to the woman, midwives and Maternity coaltion, who after tirelessly campaigning to fix the indemnity crisis up here, have won! This morning on ABC news Darwin, Ginny Nock and a homebirth mum were speaking, and low and behold the talk back host announced that when they rung

[ozmidwifery] Fw: Joyous Birth Homebirth outlawed in the Northern Territory

2004-10-20 Thread Callum Kirsten
FYI ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Joyous Birth Homebirth outlawed in the Northern Territory Please join us in support of our colleague Theo and the Midwives, women

[ozmidwifery] RE: John Howards letter etc!

2004-10-11 Thread Callum Kirsten
Thanks Robyn, I have a tendency to feel disheartened easily! I have just moved my focus to the NT government and seemt o be getting some positive vibes from them! When are you coming to Darwin next? Kirsten Student midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~

Re: [ozmidwifery] Uniting midwives midwifery students

2004-10-09 Thread Callum Kirsten
So true Louise, In NZ there is a saying...woman need midwives need woman It is usually shown with the words forming a circle... Unfortunately there are still so many woman out there who don't know what a midwife could offer...It is really sad. I know our branch of ACMI are looking at

[ozmidwifery] Fw: Midwives - Professional Indemnity Insurance -Labor Policy

2004-10-06 Thread Callum Kirsten
Title: Midwives - Professional Indemnity Insurance -Labor Policy ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Snashall, Ron (J. Gillard, MP) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;

[ozmidwifery] Labours commitment to PI insurance (X posted! sorry!)

2004-10-05 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi everyone, I just had a call from the Labour Candidate for Solomon, up here in the NT in reply to a letter i sent regarding Professional indemnity insurance for midwives in the NT. He ASSURES me that he has talked to several people regarding the issue, and that labour is COMMITTED (exact

Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re: uterine rupture 1998

2004-10-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Dear Abby, I couldn't close my mouth anymore, sorry! You give a poor impression of midwifery training in Australia. Coming from NZ, it's true its not the absolute greatest, BUT i can say that the universities here DO NOT teach a medicalised model of care. I am quite happy with my

Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re: uterinerupture 1998

2004-10-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Trish Don't ever quit, you are too valuable. Not only as a midwife, but as a role model too. There are alot of us passionate students out here ready and willing to fight bloody hard for midwifery and midwives, and we need you. It would be a sad day when midwifery starts loosing woman/midwives

Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re: uterine rupture 1998

2004-10-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
LOL Jen, there are sometimes i just can't be quiet! ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re:

Re: [ozmidwifery] student placements

2004-10-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Does this include BMid students? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Birth Centre-MBH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] student placements Midwifery students, looking for midwifery

Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re: uterine rupture 1998

2004-10-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Can i just yell "OH MY GOD"! I have to go get my daughter so this will have to wait... Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:18 PM

Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:

2004-09-29 Thread Callum Kirsten
I recieved the email, i think it still went to all the list. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Stacey, you have come in on my home

Re: [ozmidwifery] casload practice

2004-09-21 Thread Callum Kirsten
Lynne give me 2 years and i'd be there with bells on! But how about i come and do a placement there Kirsten BMid student Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:02

Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres

2004-09-16 Thread Callum Kirsten
Kim, I'd move down there to open one with you...just wait until i've finished my training!!! Or I'd really like to move to QLD, so maybe we could move there Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] BMid SA

2004-09-14 Thread Callum Kirsten
I think i already answered this before? There are no issues, i have to register in SA first then change my registration to NT nurses board after that. It is due to the course not being done in Darwin. As far as i know its accpeted australia wide, you just change registration when you move from

Re: [ozmidwifery] NZ Midwifery

2004-09-11 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Tania, I am also a kiwi here in Australia. I am also doing direct entry (at unisa even) and i have looked at going back to NZ, BUT there are issues with registration over there, as midwives in NZ can prescribe certain meds etc. I looked into registration and would have to do extra

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re BMid SA

2004-09-11 Thread Callum Kirsten
Title: Re BMid SA Yes the external can be full time 3 years or part time over up to 6 years. We have only been able to do part time this year, but the course is fully full time external as of next year! Kirsten (another unisa external student!) Darwin. ~~~start life with a midwife~~~

Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

2004-09-11 Thread Callum Kirsten
oh dear...not again. I hope it's not just me This is number 4 ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National

[ozmidwifery] Re:

2004-09-10 Thread Callum Kirsten
I loved the book, some of the language is funny...but i loved the way they birthed. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Fiona Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:04 PM Hi all, I have just come

Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

2004-09-09 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Tanya, Nice to see you on here! Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Tanya drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few

Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

2004-09-09 Thread Callum Kirsten
so did i. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Tania Laurie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 yes, i did to. Tania

[ozmidwifery] antenatal notes template

2004-09-09 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi, can i get advice please regarding antenatal notes? Are there any independents out there who make their own version of the hand held notes? I am looking at making my own, partly due to having to for uni, but also for myself eventually when i'm independent. Or any ideas on where to find

[ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-09 Thread Callum Kirsten
FYI http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/446983%3fformat=html kIRSTEN DARWIN ~~~start life with a midwife~~~

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-06 Thread Callum Kirsten
I was not debating the validity of a doula, i was merely saying they are rare in NZ and why's that? I don't know the exact reason but it's interesting to compare the maternity systems and the popularity of Doulas here compared to the very small number in NZ. I had 1-2-1 midwifery care and

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife? (I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.) Kirsten ~~~start life with a

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Hi Vida, and thanks! I can see why you do what you do, and several of the amazing midwives i have met here in Darwin, are all that and more.They are not in the slightest following a medical model although when you say that i also know what you mean. In my philosophy and i'm sure ther are alot

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Kirsten (don't know surname, but from Darwin - email Callum Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: I have recently brought Andrea Robertsons book, the midwife companion, and I

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-03 Thread Callum Kirsten
I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [C-Aware] FW: Cosmo Magazine Article

2004-09-01 Thread Callum Kirsten
Title: FW: Cosmo Magazine Article FYI - Original Message - From: Jackie Mawson To: Caesarean Awareness Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: [C-Aware] FW: Cosmo Magazine Article Anyone keen?BB Jackie Mawson-- Forwarded MessageFrom: "Claire John" [EMAIL

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [birthnews] Fwd: Preterm death from infected formula in NZ

2004-08-26 Thread Callum Kirsten
FYI Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Carol Bartle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [birthnews] Fwd: Preterm death from infected formula in NZ We have recently had our first baby death in NZ from

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [C-Aware] call for stories!

2004-08-22 Thread Callum Kirsten
Title: Message -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail HancockSent: Saturday, 21 August 2004 12:05 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [C-Aware] call for stories! Hi all, I’m looking to read and quote from birth

[ozmidwifery] Fw: [C-Aware] FW: Edsite WA Moderator Notification : Birthrites - Healing After Caesarean

2004-08-18 Thread Callum Kirsten
- Original Message - From: Jackie Mawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Caesarean Awareness rachel swiftsupport.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: [C-Aware] FW: Edsite WA Moderator Notification : Birthrites - Healing After Caesarean Hi all, This query

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: URGENT - Publcily funded Home Birth needs your support!!

2004-08-06 Thread Callum Kirsten
or a fax number Kirsten Start life with a midwife - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: URGENT - Publcily funded Home Birth needs your support!! As I write,

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives in NT and elsewhere need YourHelp

2004-08-04 Thread Callum Kirsten
Tania, I am a student midwife in Darwin and would love to introduce the young woman you are talking about to some of the "political" goins on with midwifery care up here. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirsten Start life with a midwife - Original Message - From: