I supported a woman a few months back who had a SROM but no labour for a
day or two. She was a birth centre mum but didn’t tell me or them abut
the ROM. We went in and they said she would have to birth in labour
ward now as it had been 48 hours. This wonderful gorgeous first time
mum said I
At the CS forum in Vic on the weekend I discussed how differently
choice/fears are concerned when it comes to birthing women:
A woman can choose to birth cs for no medical indicator
But
A woman trying to choose to have a NATURAL vaginal birth is less
supported
A woman who is terrified of vaginal
Interestingly,
The cs forum from Sat showed that the rise in cs rate can NOT be
attributed to cs replacing instrumental vaginal births. The cs rates
increased but the IVD remained the similar in rates.
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external wound infections are different to the internal wound are they
not? External should not impact on vbac success.
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Request from another list:
Most specifically, I'm looking for what percentage of (natural, normal,
unintervened) births actually need intervention/medical assistance.
There's a tricky one!
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need medical assistance? What is the real question?
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VBAC success rate for someone who had birthed by cs for
previous twin birth 79%
Effect of prior vaginal delivery or prior vaginal
birth after caesarean delivery on obstetric outcomes in women undergoing trial
of labor.
Obstet
Gynecol. 2004 Aug;104(2):273-7
Hendler
I,
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Zeshi
won midwife of the year and Lareen Newman won advocate of the year. The
JJ midwife of the year was Patrice O'Loughlin
(sorry
about spelling)
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Great letters everyone!
But remember when anyone is spouting stats on rupture rates, the 1 in
200 ruptures are not all fatal ruptures. In fact the .2% was an
'estimated' rate (quote) from the 2001 Australian vbac management study.
There were NO maternal deaths, only hysterectomies and there
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Just
for clarification Barbara...what 'greens' were you referring too?? ;o)
I love
it!!!
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Sounds
beautifulI thought you were saying 'eat your greens' as in get rid of your
green scrubs as midwives not being focused on the operating
theatre...
boy!
No guessing where my minds at!!! :o)
Ha Ha
Jo
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Cheers
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make
sure this woman sees this- perhaps the 'expert' might benefit
too
Increased
success of trial of labor after previous vaginal birth after
caesarean.
Obstet Gynecol. 2004 Oct;104(4):715-9
Gyamfi C, Juhasz G, Gyamfi P, Stone
JL.
OBJECTIVE: To estimate whether a history
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In
Effective Care there is some information about how active management can
actually contribute to PPH. 2001 edition. It could be something she
would like to consider. I think her biggest battles will lie in the VBA2C
and big babies. There have been two recent studies which
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understand where you are coming from with all this Kelly. I would
like to talk about this further in a not so public forumone day!
:o)
Jo
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Ho
different would your register be to the Australian Doula Register Kelly? I
think it would be detrimental to have too many different registers as it
will show greater fractionalising of the profession.
Jo
Bainbridge
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I have tried a few times to get off this list with no success. Followed
the right path etc but still here!
Any suggestions?
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vaginal birth not achieved in 24 hours
misoprostol 46.0%
v
dinoprostone 41.2%
okay so if
46% did not birth vaginally and 22.7% had cs what happened to the
other23.3% that didn't birth vaginally
Also, are
women going to be told that they havealmost a 50% chance of
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the
sad thing is that she works at a teaching hospital where they have only one
thing they are familiar with -managed birth...so they are perpetuating the
status quo. it is sad Mary.
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was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I
think his name was?
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yeah,
my first thoughts were the same!
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[ozmidwifery] nice story
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Interestingly last year our South Australian Gov held
an inquiry into post natal depression and direct links to birth- cs
specifically. I sat there and listened to a private OB who said "none of
my patients are unhappy with their cs".
how
would he know? when does he ask?
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I
think it is ESSENTIAL for midwives and consumer groups to be working together on
this one. Amazingly enough, many complaints we hear about are from women
who feel their midwife let them down. Interesting issue (as I am a doula
also, perception and expectation of support is
The issue faced by women when they go post dates has a huge impact on
things. I wonder if women were to celebrate and cherish the last few
days of being pregnant instead of feeling 'fed up' - if women did not
hear from anyone (and usually everyone) the comment of are you still
here love? or the
to women at 39 weeks who are
already
being pressured by their hospital because If you don't go into
labour by x
date we will induce you!
Who can labour with that hanging over them?
J
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Pinky
said:
Not sure how
to interpret this in light of my own kids experience now they are college age
and beyond - that would be too much information! But it seems that they
are most likely sleeping with somebody other than
me!
Ha Ha Ha! you do make me laugh
Pinky!!! :o)
Can I just throw in the question: what strategies do you as a care
provider offer those women who birth by cs, especially those who wanted
a natural birth or having their first baby, in order to minimize the
chances of an adverse emotional outcome? Is there any 'thing' in
particular that you have
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I
would have to look for the research (we all know how 'fair' research can be!)
but the stated contra-indicators for vbac is previous rupture. Now it
doesn't actually state if the chances of another rupture are higher than a
normal scaror whether it is a case of "dam!Not
fery] VBAC afterdehsicence or UR?
You made all my points, Jo.
: )
J
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Jo
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PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after
dehsicence or UR?
Yes totally agree with the right of refusal also must encompass the need
to take accountability. I think the situation that is currently being
discussed would be one of very personal nature. It is hard to advocate
the right to choice for some as they may or may not be willing to
acknowledge the
I don’t think anyone took anything you said as inflammatory Brenda.
What you have stated is true and fair.
I think that the issue of suing has more to do with our societies
inability to deal with grief productively perhaps? There is always a
need to 'blame' and it is far easier to be angry at
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You
should have said to her that $3,000 would have paid for a gorgeous suite for a
few days at a 5 star hotel!
I have
heard women doing that: hire a midwife and birth in a 5 star hotelwhy not?
The meals would be better than any private hospital any day! And what is
with
Not overtly helpful Maureen, but yes there has been at least one published
study linking asthma and elective cs….just cant think of the
details…sorry!Jo
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Could someone point me in the direction on further information about
stubborn OP presentations and the links with premature pushing urges?
Much appreciated
Jo
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Another prominent obstetrician, David Molloy, said there was "a very
difficult group of known rogue expert witnesses" who could not currently be
dealt with any other way than to discredit their views in court.
"There's a very substantial amount of money being made by a small
Ah Nick Fisk, the man who was quoted that natural birth was like riding
a motorcycle without a helmet and saying that all women will birth by cs
in the future...at least he is trying to make the actual experience
better for those who 'need' cs.
I have been to 4 cs out of the last 5 births I
Manning
www.themidwife.com.au
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To those people who sent cheques for the CARES SA Birth After
Caesarean information
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When
will we learn?
When
ONE peice of selective research shows that still birth rates are lower in the
39th week and suddenly all the obs are saying that ALL women should be induced
at 39 to save more babies.and no one argues it!Scaremongering and
manipulation of
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woo hoo! it is a GREAT day for the women of
the Mount Barker area!!!:o)
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Where can I access on line a statement about being in water to labour
and perhaps birth in the situation where the membranes have already
ruptured? I have a doula clients whose OB has said she cant get into
water if her waters have broken due to infection risks. I need a
mediacl reference that
Made YOU cry Brenda! I was her doula who was so rudely interstate at
the time !!! Amanda's story made me cry that I wasn’t able to be with
her
Amanda is right though, she did birth AMAZINGLY! Go Girl!
Love Jo
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Ahhh!
mother friendly hospitals...now that would be worth pursuing!
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,
shown postnatal exercises, encouraged to rest, have massages, see
naturopaths re healing remedies if needed etc.
In fact Wholistic Care !!
What do you think ?
Idealistic ??
Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh!
mother friendly hospitals...now that would be worth pursuing
As a mother the child youth health 'experts' always say we need to take
tiem for oursleves at soe point...why not at the point of utter
exhustion after birth??
I STILL need time out from my kids and have spent many a time hiding in
the walk in robe! :o) come to think of it, the 4 year old is
This is an interesting thread that I must comment on again:
With the consumer support I have been involved with for the many years I
have and just in the year I have been a doula, the definition of a
negative experience is so varied! What I would deem as a great natural
vaginal birth with no
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WE had
a CARES member once who had PPH with all of her babes and all were actively
managed. She then read in Effective Guide that active management can
in fact cause PPH in some cases.
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you
could contact the college of spiritual midwifery and ask if they can refer
someone?
cheers
Jo
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BellyBellySent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:41 PMTo:
To those people who sent cheques for the CARES SA Birth After Caesarean
information booklet;
Thanks and the CD's are in the post today so check you post boxes next
week!
Sorry for the delay.
Those who still want a copy of the CD with HEAPS of information on VBAC,
please send a cheque to
CARES
Abby, you know that I know just how wonderful you feel at this moment!
I am SO very proud of you and cant wait to hear your birth story!
Love
Jo
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The cost is $15 for the CD including postage.
Cheers
Jo
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As a doula, I have noticed a huge difference in some hospital based
midwives -the emphasis is on the word some in that sentence. I have
witnessed women being manipulated by midwives because the midwife was
unable to accept the woman did not wish to adhere to the unit
policies...especially vbac
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fyi
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article
Those of you who are ANF members and receive the
ANJ there
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The
ACMI SA education sessions often address water birth. I know there will be a
session on waterbirth at next April's Port Pirie information
weekend. Perhaps contactACMI SA and ask if there is something
closer.
cheers
Jo
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Kate,
I am sorry to hear you are dealing with this..on top of study and the
such it is so important that you are supported with this.
Have you chatted to Pinky? She might be able to give you some
suggestions.
I hesitate to begin asking questions for fear of asking those stupid
questions you
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any
connections?
cheers
Jo
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I know this has
been discussed previously and I think there was an inquiry as to the up date on
this terrible situation. Here is a website that is updating the
situation about theWashington Midwifebeingdragged through the
courts for facilitating a home breech birth. The
Thank you to all the orders for the CARES birth after cs CD.
The CDs are being finished this week and will be sent out by Monday next
week at the latest. Sorry for the delay. All those wanting internet
direct banking I still need to find out through the bank. Should have
it organised again by
I often have this argument Abby, that before we start triAling the
safety of vbac we should look at the Vbac outcomes for various settings
and modles of care. I argue that even the very low rates of rupture in
a hospital setting (the rates that still include induced and augmented
labours!) are
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From a
consumers personal experience and perspective it should be imperative that the
woman has some say in who she wishes to be there for the birth
of her child and who can stay with her during recovery.
There is NO hell like being left alone when dad goes off with baby if
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Okay,
so now 'they' are blaming the dads for Cs rates...moved on from the women
demanding the CS to dads. I think it is a poor reflection on education of
soon to be parents, or the lack of good education. I am aware that dads
can get overwhelmed by birth, as a doula
.
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] CARES VBAC booklet
Hi everyone who has expressed interest in the CARES VBAC
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth After CS booklet
Hi Jo, I would love to get a copy for myself and the Mt Barker Hospital.
I
will ring you soon. Marijke
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Hi everyone who has expressed interest in the CARES VBAC booklet.
This booklet has information on the vbac management policies; research
information about vbac and cs; myth-busting of vbac issues; and common
issues that women face when bithing after cs. It is heavy on the
medical terminology but
Oh,
And payments can be sent to:
CARES SA
PO Box 1013
Nairne SA
5252
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If she has access to email, there are a few good email lists run by/for
VBAC women. She hasn’t given herself much time to address the issues
surrounding vbacs though...37 weeks is leaving it a bit late to work
through issues. Her best bet is to get a doula or a midwife who will
help her get over
Just wanting to let people know that CARES SA have just finished a 70+
page document covering all the issues about Birth After CS. It is
AMAZINGLY GOOD (if I do say so myself! I am SO proud of Carolyn for
putting it together).
It covers common myths then follows up with current abstracts;
form is there to downlaod as is the brochures about us.
Thanks for your support. This really is a kick a*s booklet!
Cheers Jo
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booklet?
Sounds like the content is the same!?
Denise Hynd
Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for
the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by
anyone, our bodies will be handled.
— Linda Hes
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Beautiful JC...you are amazing with words ;o)
Jo
SA
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Dear All
My response to
Love 'em all Brenda!
Jo Bainbridge
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What about MMU Units
Mothers
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do you
really want to knw what the old source was?
What
animal has the most compatible organs for humans?
Pigs...yep! that is right, it USED to be pig semen
Nowdays I think synto is purely synthetic...
pick
your jaw off the floor dear! ;o)
Jo
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check
out www.spinningbabies.com
Jo
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SoloSent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:47 PMTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Advice on
positions for
Not surprising who was on the 'for' team...not sure that particular
person would even know where the vagina is...!
Jo
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Tania, but you did hear BP say that there is no collection of cs rates
and failed inductions...remember it is considered the womans fault ie
FTP if an induction fails and results ina cs...
Perhaps write to the pregnancy outcomes uinti and ask them for the data?
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Personally Andrea, my hubby was far more traumatized by my second birth
-my episiotomies vbac- than my horrific cs of my first. It wasn’t until
I had my third did he truly understand what I was on about. He was mute
with the first. Scared sh*tless with the second. He laughed and cried
with our
Hello,
Sorry for cross posting...some of you may get this more than once.
This is a reminder to all that the time has come to get your
registrations in for the CARES SA National CS Awareness day -VBAC
information. September 11th, from 10am until 3.30pm Lunch included.
Speaking on the day is
Don’t ya hate that! :o)
Jo
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Oops, didn't mean to make that a public
Could everyone who is doing something for the 2005 National Caesarean
Awareness Day please register you event with CARES SA. We are long term
planning for some serious funding in the future and need to keep track
of just what is happening and where...what are you doing, who have you
organized to
Check out www.maternitywise.org and read the American Academy of Family
Physicians on their vbac stuff...it is really interesting...and not what
you would expect!
Jo
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We asked around the nation after the world trade centre disaster and the
unnanomious vote was to keep the NCAD date so we can have something
related to birth rather than death. Plus the date was initally decided
on in honour of Jackie Mawson from Birthrites to thank her for all that
she has done
The full details and registration forms will be made avaliable in the
next few days for the CARES event. Sorry for the late notice.
Cheers
Jo
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NCAD is always on the 11th of September...have I said August somewhere??
Opps! No I diudnt say what month did I?! Silly me.
Jo
Bainbridge
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have
you tried maternity wise?
jo
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Hi
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going
by that recomendation, a vbac woman with 1:1 care of a midwife would therefore
not be forced to have continuous monitoring and should be allowed in the birth
centre.
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Is
this linked to the lack of midwifery research -due to lack of midwifery research
funding?
Jo
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Just some interesting articles from the RANZCOG site about home birth
and the such. The thing that I find amazing is that recently the
article promoting induction at 39 weeks as the best thing to do got
nationla TV coveragebut these articleswell not even a sniff!
Just a quick question...a vbac mum with her fifth baby (to be 4th vag
birth) is concerned she is 40+3 and babe is still high (according to her
OB). Is there anything she can do to bring baby down? As a vbac you
start to fret about things like this especially when you have someone
sharpening
Do you still have both active email addresses Tania cause if you do then
you will get two messages instead of one.
Jo
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help. I
hope someone remembers them. It was a great handout and the only copy i
had is gone.
Ursula
From: Dean
Jo
Sent: Thursday,
July 14, 2005 10:53 AM
I will ring Women’s
Health Statewide and ask if they have details.
The people listed on the back are no known to me
That sort of comment can be taken to politicians
and the media if desired: that a professional would use blackmail and/or defamatory
comments to sway your choice. It
adds to Jenny Gambles comments about OB’s defaming midwives and midwifery
and the shit you would get in if you said it about
What needs to be asked here is just how many still
births are we talking about? We
(mainly the doctors) PRIDE ourselves on having one of the lowest perinatal mortality
rates in the world and yet they are happy to suggest inductions at 39 weeks for
women to potentially save a few?
What
I will ring Women’s Health Statewide
and ask if they have details. The people
listed on the back are no known to me currently but I have only been in Adealide since 1998 so one of the ‘locals’
might know them. I will hunt around!
Cheers
Jo Bainbridge CD
CARES SA
Maternity Coalition
No Katrina I didn’t get the other email …seem
to be having some problems..
The study…I will have to go and have a
search but I do remember it was an Adelaide study with an ob whose name escapes
me at the moment….darn! I will get back
to you.
Cheers
Jo
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Here is the abstract for the study but you
might have to get further details regarding the things I mentioned.
Cheers Jo
Caesarean
Section Does Not Reduce Risk of Pelvic Floor Dysfunction
ADELAIDE, Australia (Reuters Health) Dec 01 - Caesarean section only
marginally reduces the
Interesting also! This is all SO good to be discussing, considering
the National Caesarean Awareness Day is coming up in September!
Jo
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The thing that we all have to keep in mind
is that the research done into vbac is all done within the medical model with
no known care providers, inductions, augmentations and epidurals included and
yet still the actual rates of rupture is
I sincerely hope that the people from this list who are from
London or have loved ones there are safe and not directly effected by these
awful attacks on London. My heart goes
out to all.
Jo
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On 28 Jun, 2005, at 20:41, Dean Jo wrote:
Could anyone
on list from SA give me an idea of anyone offering Hypnotherapy/Visualization
for pregnant women
Would the pink kit be of any help perhaps?
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Dear Bernie
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