Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-12 Thread Leanne Veitch
The thing that concerns me is that the baby *might* have lived, but with terrible health problems as a result. Too many babies are born addicted to various drugs already. However, I don't understand how a person can drive irresponsibly, kill a person, and get charged with 'manslaughter', yet a

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-11 Thread Abby and Toby
I have trouble enough with other double standards of our sanctimonious system in this example a woman who takes drugs antenatally is bad but come labour it is ok for us to encourage heror others to have them why is the baby suddenly not at risk... Denise Hynd I think that is a

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Abby and Toby
Maybe this could deter illegal drug use in pregnancy though... I agree that this is what they are trying to do, but it still seems ironic, that a woman can choose to have her baby killed but a woman can't accidentally kill her baby by drug use. I know we all have differing views on abortion,

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread jayne
I think the point here is viability of the baby - note I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with any of this. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Trish David
I think all women experiencing the loss of a baby, whether intentional (Abby, please don't talk of women killing their babies in violent ways, the potential for distress is so great for what is an agonising choice) or accidental, require our compassion and respect. Women's circumstances dictate

RE: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Anglodutch NTL Account
an abortion. I hope it will indeed serve to deter other women from using illegal drugs in pregnancy. Claudia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Abby and Toby Sent: 10 September 2004 07:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH Maybe this could deter illegal drug use in pregnancy though... I agree that this is what they are trying to do, but it still seems ironic, that a woman can choose to have her baby killed but a woman can't accidentally kill her baby by drug use. I

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Denise Hynd
ptember 10, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH I think all women experiencing the loss of a baby, whether intentional (Abby, please don't talk of women killing their babies in violent ways, the potential for distress is so great for what is an agonising

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Denise Hynd
that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Denise Hynd
people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Anglodutch NTL Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH Women

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread sally
they have probably gone through to be in the situation in the first place. Sally - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH Maybe this could deter

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-10 Thread Justine Caines
Dear Sally and All A lovely considered response. I have had some exposure to chronic drug users (whilst I was an adviser to a politician, we were trying to set up a heroin trial!!). What stands out in relation to drug use is it pretty much boils down to risk taking behaviour (more often young

[ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-09 Thread Callum Kirsten
FYI http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/446983%3fformat=html kIRSTEN DARWIN ~~~start life with a midwife~~~

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-09 Thread Kirsten Wohlt
I wonder what the verdict would be on an 'abortion' after the legally viable period of 24 weeks mentioned in this article. Without getting into the ethics of abortion, i think perhaps that was the defining point in this case - the fact that the baby was 32 weeks and well past the cut off for

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

2004-09-09 Thread Ceri Katrina
Maybe this could deter illegal drug use in pregnancy though... On 10/09/2004, at 3:10 PM, Kirsten Wohlt wrote: I wonder what the verdict would be on an 'abortion' after the legally viable period of 24 weeks mentioned in this article. Without getting into the ethics of abortion, i think