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Hi Denise,
No need to apologies - not offended. Just trying to share
my experiences and make sense of it all.
It's all constructive - an
find this reaction very strange and would
like to try and understand it - any ideas??
Jo
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Dear Jo
I
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This has since been said differently but I have written
it so I'll send it in support of what Abby said.
That the selling of the need for a
professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by
herself, and is disempowering
Since this discussion started i have
also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in
there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the
medicalisation of birth.
I think this statement is true. Birth has
become, for the majority in a
ptember 07, 2004 3:05
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Since this discussion started i
have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out
in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of
the medicalisation of birt
This has since been said differently but I have written it
so I'll send it in support of what Abby said.
That the selling of the need for a
professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by
herself, and is disempowering.
Would this not be the same for any birthing
Well said Abby. You said it better than I
could.
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Since this discussion started i
have also been working
well said, Abby.
marilyn
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Since this discussion started i
have also been working my way through
, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal
system!
cheers
Jo Hunter
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s who ever have." Margaret Mead
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Hi all,
I have been reading the discussion on doula's with
interest and am intrigu
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Dear Jo
I was not intending any reflection on doulas and
I apologise if that is how my comments came across.
I was reflecting on my expereinces and
understanding of birth!
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the
Personally I've experienced an Obstetric hospital birth and then 3 water births at
home with the same Independent midwife. For each of my home births I welcomed another
individual to be there for support. I have shared my birth with 2 different friends
and the third time with a B-Mid student. I
was the exception (in many many ways).
marilyn
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I think the confusion between aspiring midwife/doula is an interesting
one.
An aspiring midwife who
I may not have anything to really add to this
discussion but I am a Doula in Townsville, (Honey I Work together) I am
7mths pg planning a VBAC. So far most of my clients have actually been 2nd
time parents who felt that something had been lacking in their care the first
time. It was the
Kirsten,
I personally did not 'choose' which way I would go, I always wanted to be a midwife but was waiting for Direct Entry Midwifery (Bachelor of Midwifery), whilst waiting I worked as a 'doula' 'support person' 'birth attendant' whatever anyone wished to call me, as long as I was providing
with a midwife~~~
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Kirsten wrote:
I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity
system is different to here in Australia
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Hi,
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as
doulas and midwives, are we not all there to support a woman, It should be
about her, not who is a threat to who. When it becomes about our positions, it
stops being about the woman and her journey
Jilly Rosser, A U.K. Midwife said in 1983: "midwifery used to be a
vocation, now, sadly, it is just a job". MM
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I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no
doulas, although there could have been.
I find the whole thing
Kirsten said:
I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no
doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather
confusing, can i ask why you choose to be a doula and not a midwife? (I'm
seriously asking, not being sarcastic either.)
No need to apologise
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Hi Denise
Irealised that you were asking for the full
details pros and cons to be in the story,but I guess your
emailprompted me to support the work that I do.I hope I didn't
sound attacking. I am so passionate a
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Kirsten said:
I apologise i left NZ in 2002, as of then i should state i knew of no
doulas, although there could have been. I find the whole thing rather
confusing, can i ask why you choose
Kirsten (don't know surname, but from Darwin - email Callum Kirsten
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I have recently brought Andrea Robertsons book, the midwife companion,
and I have to say this book will never leave my side.
This is one of the first books that I ever read when I started my journey as
a
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Kirsten (don't know surname, but from Darwin - email Callum Kirsten
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I have recently brought Andrea Robertsons book, the midwife companion,
and I
Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
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Jo
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s who ever have." Margaret Mead
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HI Kylie
Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call
ourselves)and c
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HI Kylie
Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call
ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here
in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well
together. if that interests you email
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Dear Jo,
Interesting where are these women to
birth?
Withthe women's family members sounds like
quite a group at each of the labours and births?
My experience of the mostsatisfying
birthing expereinces
Hynd
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Dear Jo,
Interesting where are these women to
birth?
Withthe women's family members sounds like
quite a group at each of the labours and births?
My
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I think i have to agree with you Denise.
In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there
is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:45:18 +0800
Dear Kylie
I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's?
For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of
Hi,
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as
doulas and midwives, are we not all there to support a woman, It should be about
her, not who is a threat to who. When it becomes about our positions, it stops
being about the woman and her journey.
Just my 2cents. I have read some very
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I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are
Before the homebirth article these issues were unknown to me, which
is very sad I think, because these issues are not raised in mainstream
Australian media. Even ! my articles - they are in Wellbeing, which is an
alternative health mag.cheersKylie Carberry
I think it is fantastic Kylie,
ndeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
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You know i think when doulas are seen as a
threat to the
; Margaret Mead
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Hi Denise
In my(lengthy)article on homebirth (which will be in the same
issue of We
Callum
Kirsten
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I think i have to agree with you Denise.
In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there
is more woman cen
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Dear Honey
I agree with all you say I am only asking for the
full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in
a system that is not women centred.
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the
Kirsten wrote:
I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity
system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered
midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my
lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that
Hi everyone
Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward.
Let me know if anyone would like to
lieve that a few caring people can't change the world. For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead
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rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required.
Jo
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Dear Kylie
I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask
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Hi everyone
Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas,
also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am
looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based
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