[PD] iemguts canvas delete method

2014-06-14 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list, Iemguts has an object [canvasdelete] which, when you create it, goes in and adds a delete method for canvases. This allows you to send a delete $1 $2 etc. message to a canvas, where $1 $2 etc. are indices of objects you wish to delete from a particular canvas. In the code I

Re: [PD] setting patcher window position from within the patch?

2014-06-19 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
look in pd-msg/1.msg_and_patch/6.relocate_windows.pd In Pd l2ork I typed move patch window in the search plugin and found it: 6.relocate_windows.pd move a patch window with messages to a canvas Keywords: control canvas_op nonlocal dynamic_patching On Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:53 AM, Ali

[PD] SOCKS in Pd

2014-06-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list,      Anyone else interested in SOCKS support for netsend/receive? I want to connect Pd over Tor, and SOCKS support would make this really easy.   The reason I want to connect over Tor is that I can then use Tor's hidden services to abstract away the IP addys, ignore firewalls, and get

Re: [PD] SOCKS in Pd

2014-06-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
SOCKS, but I don't know how to tell it to let Pd's loopback connection just be local. I'll keep researching... -Jonathan On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 6:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/25/2014 05:33 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: On 25/06/14 19:06, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd

Re: [PD] canvas_makefilename() returns error

2014-06-29 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Well, it expects a t_canvas *, so if you send it something else it will trigger the error. -Jonathan On Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:47 PM, Jaime E Oliver via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote: Hi all, I am trying to use the canvas_makefilename() function in g_canvas.c I am calling it

Re: [PD] RGB PD-OSC

2014-07-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
You can pack it into a single message with: [pack f f f] -Jonathan On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:29 PM, Le via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote: Hey everyone,  Possibly a simple thing but can't figure out. Please help. Need to send RGB (or 3 numbers that represent it) as a continuous

Re: [PD] Pd External: create multiple passive bang inlets

2014-07-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Rob, If you look at the code for floatinlet_new and friends, you'll see they all create an inlet and then associate it with the addy of member variable.  If there were a banginlet_new, it could certainly create the inlet on behalf of your object, but what would it store?  Bang doesn't have a

[PD] peek at a pd object's data

2014-07-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
If I have a t_gobj* for an object on a Pd canvas, and I know its size, how would I go about returning a list of bytes for that object's struct? I'm sure this is nearly useless because of pointers and padding, but it might be fun. Best, Jonathan

Re: [PD] Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at

2014-07-15 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
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Re: [PD] Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at

2014-07-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 07/16/2014 11:36 PM, Simon Wise via Pd-list wrote: On 16/07/14 00:15, Dan Wilcox via Pd-list wrote: The onbopard audio might be better, but from what I could tell by the press release, it does't add a dedicated USB controller. In that case, it will probably still have the same issues with

Re: [PD] nightime mode?

2014-07-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Or use Pd-l2ork, and change to the Preset to Invert under Preferences-GUI. -Jonathan On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:17 AM, Antoine Villeret via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote: hi, think also you can invert the whole screen in Mac OS X under Accessibility option and in Ubuntu with `xcalib

Re: [PD] two dimensional array error in an external

2014-07-27 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 07/27/2014 01:05 PM, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote: I solved it by declaring the array in the object structure like this: float x_iem_coeff[5][2]; and in the new function I create another, one dimensional array, and run a nested for loop and set the local array's elements to

Re: [PD] comments with trailing | ?

2014-08-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
for the detailed description. On 2014-08-07 00:24, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: 4) ./src/pd Oops... Error in startup script: couldn't read file /home/pd-0.45-5/src/tcl//pd-gui.tcl: no such file or directory this would be trivial to fix in Pd. i haven't done this because i considered

Re: [PD] calling pd from within source tree (was Re: comments with trailing | ?)

2014-08-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 08/25/2014 05:29 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-08-07 17:56, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: On 08/07/2014 11:17 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: Or better yet, without changing any files at all - invoke Pd with the full pathname, ../src

Re: [PD] PD for Kids

2014-08-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi JmA,     I know Ivica has a -k12 mode for Pd-l2ork that is specifically geared toward kids. http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?p=1964 The gui objects for getting data from wiimote look particularly nice. The limiting factor is that Pd-l2ork only runs GNU/Linux-only atm.   -Jonathan On

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Yes I agree the two ideas may coexist. But I also think that if the two were to coexist, $0 in message boxes would pale in comparison in terms of usability. Hub/node: make a hub on a canvas. Now every node you create on that canvas or subcanvas belongs to that hub. If you need more than one,

Re: [PD] Pd-l2ork bug?

2014-09-15 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I tried the latest git version of s-env-help.pd and it displays ok. The control points other than the first one don't seem to register hits, though. I'll try to figure out why. Notice that on all flavors of Vanilla, trying to create [s-env] with no args gives a wonky, broken GOP interface

[PD] rfc: data structure drawing command names

2014-09-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list, I've got a nice collection of new drawing commands in Pd-l2ork for drawing scalars that are (mostly) based on the svg spec from HTML5. Currently they are named [draw $shape], where $shape can be an svg shape, path, or also some higher-level convenience command like a sprite.

Re: [PD] rfc: data structure drawing command names

2014-09-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
except linux? Best, Joao 2014-09-16 21:55 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at: Hi list, I've got a nice collection of new drawing commands in Pd-l2ork for drawing scalars that are (mostly) based on the svg spec from HTML5. Currently they are named [draw $shape

Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Before you pay someone to do it, we need to define what it is. It might generally look something like this: 1) Pull from the newest stable upstream code 2) Get it to compile 3) Run the regression tests 4) Make alpha and beta builds, gather reports of bugs, fix bugs, re-run tests 5) Release So

Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 09/23/2014 09:19 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: I disagree. Your example lists what? 2 more developers? I'm talking about developers as in people working the C code, build scripts, tcl/tk etc aka people who could, theoretically, help push out a new Pd-extended release. True, we have plenty of people

Re: [PD] A way to query the current platform

2014-09-24 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
This is a bit off-topic, but you should know that a single savvy Wikipedia editor made a unilateral decision to change nearly all instances of GNU/Linux to Linux across every page other than the one that describes the naming kerfuffle itself. (I think Gnewsense and maybe one other had an

Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 09/25/2014 12:54 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Um... have you actually read the source for DesireData? Just to clarify this-- from m_pd.h desiredata 2010.01.05: struct _symbol { char *name; /* the const string that represents this symbol */ t_pd *thing

Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
not? -Jonathan On Friday, September 26, 2014 1:48 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: On 09/26/2014 04:22 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: On 09/25/2014 12:54 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Um... have you actually read the source for DesireData? Just to clarify

Re: [PD] Updated Pd-Extended

2014-09-29 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 09/29/2014 06:10 PM, Seb Shader via Pd-list wrote: Hello again list, What do y'all think of the idea of releasing Pd-extended both as a core pd with no libraries added except maybe the libdir and hex loaders and as a version with multiple libraries (2 release stages)? Perhaps it's been

Re: [PD] Updated Pd-Extended

2014-09-29 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Some questions about the bullet points on the page: * update the libraries to the latest version, and test them Aren't they updated by virtue of pulling from the latest svn? If I can get Pd-extended to compile, what else do I need to do in order to update the libs? * pull in relevant

Re: [PD] Updated Pd-Extended

2014-09-30 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
scaling I mean tk scaling 1 in pd-gui.tcl -Jonathan On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:43 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-09-30 04:39, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: * pull in relevant commits from pd-vanilla (you

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-09-30 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
[list cat] is already in Pd-l2ork. -Jonathan On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:24 PM, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 06:20:21PM +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: re-reading your email, wouldn't [list cat] be the equivalent of [list drip], whereas

Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-10-01 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hm, I can't seem to find any proposals on the list. If someone can find them for me (and if there are indeed details there) I'll see if they will work. -Jonathan On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:51 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: There were at least two proposals back

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-01 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Aren't we talking about a trivial few lines of code here:* new list family class boilerplate * loop through the input atom vector and output each of its atoms in sequence (prefixed by the list selector, of course)* output a bang to a second outlet when finished* consider whether it should be

[PD] gpointer struct

2014-10-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Miller,I'm experimenting with a gpointer revision by changing the struct _scalar *gp_scalar to struct _gobj *gp_gobj.  This allows me to use gpointers in my introspection classes to refer to any Pd object that has a gobj header.  The benefits are that it's a single atom as opposed to a

Re: [PD] iem_sqrt4~ amd_64 crasher puzzle

2014-10-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
, 2014 6:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote: Hi list,[iem_sqrt4~] crashes when trying to create on amd_64.  It creates fine on 32 bit linux. This leads me to believe there is something in the setup routine that makes an assumption that only holds true for a 32bit

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Ugh. Dear list members, Do you see a problem with the development process that is implied in this thread? If so, PM me and describe (but please do not rationalize) what you think the problem is. I can't say it will help improve anything about this (non-)development process, but it will

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Oh, I almost forgot-- when I suggested I'd try dev'ing it in Pd-l2ork, I was actually _dissuaded_ from doing development, for fear of creating an incompatibility. Can you explain how to turn this community ethos into the one you imagine in your general outline-- one where we can quickly and

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Chris, I've used the same development process for Pd-extended and Vanilla as I have with Pd-l2ork. It is pretty close to the general outline you gave in this thread. There is no difference in working relationship-- I send patches, write emails, test changes, say snarky things, etc.

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Ico does happen to have a [list cat] in Pd-l2ork. I'm not crazy about the interface, but I haven't thought of a better one yet. -Jonathan On Friday, October 10, 2014 1:59 AM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: No, I probably can't make a better patch. Also, before my last email

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
to tracker == emailing Miller and list (if not then you must have left something out of your general outline of free software dev process) -Jonathan On Friday, October 10, 2014 2:00 AM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On 02/10/14 09:24, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: If that's

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
The main reason Pd-l2ork is not benefiting more users is because there aren't binaries/bundles for OSX and Windows. There's a Pd-l2ork app I made for OSX some time back that has a small selection of libs I compiled with it, but I don't think there will be any more work on more platforms until

Re: [PD] list foreach?

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
The only case to be made is for development, with the imperative, develop. It's quite trivial to post a message to the console for a new class that says version 0.1 and/or not stable yet and/or send feedback to foo@bar. It's even possible to do that for methods of a class, which is what I've

[PD] expr compatibility with libdir format

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list, It seems expr isn't compatible with the libdir format. The code in expr_new of vexp_if.c checks for unprefixed creator names, so if the user typed expr~/expr~ or extra/expr~ or even the_libdir_that_I_put_in_my_patch_directory/expr~, the logic defaults to creating an expr_class

Re: [PD] libdir/objectname

2014-10-17 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
different versions of [abstractions/namespace-testabstraction], right? Katja On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote: Hi list, Let's say I make a patch that uses the zexy and hcs libraries. I want my patch to be portable to Pd-extended, Pd

Re: [PD] canvas path

2014-10-20 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
, there are already severe problems the way that is set up that I want to try to fix.) cheers Miller Oe Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:21:15AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Hi list, Let me describe a typical way to use Pd: 1) patch author makes a patch 2) patch author abstracts out certain functions

Re: [PD] canvas path

2014-10-20 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
abstractions (indeed, there are already severe problems the way that is set up that I want to try to fix.) cheers Miller Oe Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:21:15AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Hi list, Let me describe a typical way to use Pd: 1) patch author makes a patch 2) patch author

Re: [PD] canvas path

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
My point is that if you leave these things as an exercise to the user, then the user loses. The rules for how things load are too confusing, and Pd traditionally has too few tools for the user to inspect path order, aside from trying every single possibility. A user shipping an abstraction

Re: [PD] FW: I need help ASAP

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Sally, The first thing that comes to mind is Gem, which is an external library for Pure Data that does 3d graphics (opengl). Gem comes with a lot of examples which you can peruse either using the help-browser or, if you're using a recent version of Pd-extended or Pd-l2ork, the natural

Re: [PD] curve fitting help?

2014-10-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Why not just draw what you want the curve to be in an array? -Jonathan On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:04 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy all, I’m *almost* done with my rjlib compatible s_minimoog abstraction for the rc-patches, but I need help finding the right curve

Re: [PD] Named arguments for abstractions

2014-10-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Chris, I prefer the idea of using the comma atom to send messages to an object/abstraction at init time. Example: [bar 15 25( | [foo] would be equivalent to [initbang] | [foo, bar 15 25] Benefits: * messages can be type-checked or arbitrary length, just like any pd message * eases

Re: [PD] Named arguments for abstractions

2014-10-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
that! You seem to be specifying a way for an abstraction to set up internal defaults, is that right? I don't have access to initbang in the Pd I use yet. Cheers, Chris. On 24/10/14 12:11, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Hi Chris, I prefer the idea of using the comma atom to send messages

[PD] Add a set method to [set]

2014-10-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list, Would there be any issue with abstracting out the arg-handling code in set_new, and adding a set method to change these on the fly? That would help simplify some data-structure algorithms, as well as making it possible to create more abstract functionality around [set]. -Jonathan

Re: [PD] [oscparse] parsing address patterns with integers differently

2014-10-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
In pd_typedmess of m_class.c, the float handler will currently throw an error if the arg isn't a float atom. However, this could be changed so that if the arg is a symbol-atom Pd sends it through a binbuf carwash to check if it comes out as a float. If so, it could send it on its way. If

Re: [PD] Sigpack on pd-extended

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I typed sigpack in the search-plugin and clicked on sigpack-meta.pd: AUTHOR we...@weiss-archiv.de If you go to that domain, there's an info page that says his name is Martin Weiss. His first name isn't listed in any of the source files-- just weiss. -Jonathan On Thursday, October 30, 2014

Re: [PD] libdir path

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 11/08/2014 01:05 AM, IOhannes zmölnig wrote: Am 07. November 2014 22:46:35 MEZ, schrieb Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-listpd-list@lists.iem.at: Should libdir as a path have any meaning to the Pd user or patch author? I dont think so. (I also cannot remember to have needer it ever.) I see it

[PD] data structure setsize allocation

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Miller, I think there may be a memory leak regarding [setsize] and your new text field. The user is initializing and potentially populating many t_binbufs through word_init after they enlarge an array with [setsize]. But if they set a smaller size with [setsize] it doesn't look like

Re: [PD] data structure setsize allocation

2014-11-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
it animate itself while outputting audio, all without having to traverse a glist. -Jonathan On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:01 PM, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: Sure enough... thanks. M On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:16:47PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Hi Miller

Re: [PD] data structure setsize allocation

2014-11-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Sure... what do people use in Debian/Ubuntu to do screencast + audio? It's fun to create a bunch of voicebank canvases on the fly with [setsize], but it's even better to kill them simply by decreasing the array size. Might be fun to build up an array of midi bots by having [setsize] react to

Re: [PD] data structures......

2014-11-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
It's certainly possible. There's a Pd-l2ork script for creating a vanilla tarball with the l2ork changes in it, so I guess you could try dropping the src and extra from that into libpd's pure-data directory and see what happens. But I don't know much about libpd. -Jonathan On Thursday,

Re: [PD] data structure setsize allocation

2014-11-14 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 11/11/2014 10:47 AM, jamal crawford wrote: hello list, Jonathan, The fun comes when using the canvas foo bar field in a template for an array field-- then I can use [setsize] to create a massive number of abstractions at once. quite massive approach! big up for the thought. would you

Re: [PD] data structures......

2014-11-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at: It's certainly possible. There's a Pd-l2ork script for creating a vanilla tarball with the l2ork changes in it, so I guess you could try dropping the src and extra from that into libpd's pure

Re: [PD] data structures......

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
cents is that the data structures are still a bit buggy to work on. Just hoped they'd be more stable, other than that, can't relate to the commotion, cheers What kinds of bugs are you running into? -Jonathan 2014-11-13 13:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list

Re: [PD] data structures......

2014-11-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
relate to the commotion, cheers What kinds of bugs are you running into? -Jonathan 2014-11-13 13:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at: It's certainly possible.  There's a Pd-l2ork script for creating a vanilla tarball with the l2ork changes in it, so I

Re: [PD] Artikulation - datastructures

2014-12-04 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Data structure usability and the difficulty of realizing electronic/interactive scores are two separate issues. In general, data structures aren't widely used for four reasons:* you can't draw lines to/from scalars and make them part of the Pd diagram.  Instead, the user must keep track of them

Re: [PD] Cyclone suite initiative

2014-12-05 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I think that's a good idea. But then Pd Vanilla aficionados might complain that to use cyclone they would be forced to also install the pddp library for [pddplink] and [helplink], because those objects do not ship with Pd Vanilla.  Otherwise they would end up with a lot of broken objects in

Re: [PD] Cyclone suite initiative

2014-12-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 12/06/2014 04:53 AM, Fred Jan Kraan wrote: Hi Ivica, Jonathan, Thanks for the response. @Ivica: Why not simply use cyclone help patches provided in pd-l2ork that already conform to the pddp standard? The pd-l2ork help patches with standard format indeed look much better than the

Re: [PD] finding an object

2014-12-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Pd-l2ork has the search-plugin, which searches through all the help docs for results.  The latest Pd-extended does too (though it's a slower search). -Jonathan On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:46 PM, patrice colet colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: Hello,   is there a way to not spend

Re: [PD] finding an object

2014-12-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I'm pretty sure Pd-l2ork has the same classes that come with Pd-extended. -Jonathan On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 4:59 PM, patrice colet colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: Thank you, I finally found a way to find something by using 'find /path/to/pure-data-svn/externals -iname

Re: [PD] Cyclone suite initiative

2014-12-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Keep in mind that even with the perfect design, you'd still be packaging a lot of binaries that would read like this to the user:douglib - library of binaries written by a guy named doug -Jonathan On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:09 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [PD] [env~] issues

2014-12-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
That's definitely a workable solution. But if it were truly trivial then [trigger] wouldn't exist. -Jonathan On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:47 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: On 12/15/2014 11:53 PM, Raphaël Ilias wrote: Ok, I get the trick, it seems similar to  the

Re: [PD] [env~] issues

2014-12-17 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Raphaël, The problem is not very intuitive to solve. It's difficult enough to understand the flow in a patch that only uses signal objects.  And it's more difficult to understand the flow in a patch that uses control objects.  That's because you can no longer just assume that each object

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches issue list)

2014-12-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I'll second that strong opposition. If someone wants to shoot themselves in the foot, here is a loader that automatically fetches binaries from the net and loads them:http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/loaders/urloader/ -Jonathan On Thursday, December 18,

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches issue list)

2014-12-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
If there is a cross-platform repository system out there that is well-tested and built to be _more_ secure than apt (i.e., defense against replay attacks in the original design), perhaps it could be leveraged. Unfortunately I don't know anything about binary repo systems, other than Debian's.

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches issue list)

2014-12-20 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
: On 12/18/2014 10:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: If there is a cross-platform repository system out there that is well-tested and built to be _more_ secure than apt (i.e., defense against replay attacks in the original design), perhaps it could be leveraged. Unfortunately I don't know

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches issue list)

2014-12-20 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 12/20/2014 05:06 PM, Fred Jan Kraan wrote: On 2014-12-20 22:38, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Is the idea to package an entire packaging system with Pd Vanilla? For me the focus is now to create a sort of versionable, installable package for cyclone*. But it could well apply to much

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches issue list)

2014-12-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
: On 12/18/2014 10:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: If there is a cross-platform repository system out there that is well-tested and built to be _more_ secure than apt (i.e., defense against replay attacks in the original design), perhaps it could be leveraged. Unfortunately I don't

Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help patches issue list)

2014-12-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
One thing I'll add-- Pd-extended already includes within it the ability for individual libraries to be compiled a la carte in the way Dan desires.  Any library adhering to the libdir format will have a standard makefile that can be used to compile the binaries.  They'll end up in the same

Re: [PD] Patch rendering theming: color scheme and text wheight

2014-12-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
It's been awhile sinceI looked, but I _think_ Pd-extended also refers to those tcl variables in the sys_vgui code on the C side.  So the sys_vgui string responsible for, say, creating a rectangle on a canvas will give it the outline color of $::box_outline. Check g_text.c and the iemgui code

Re: [PD] Patch rendering theming: color scheme and text wheight

2014-12-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Well, shoot.  I seem to have described Pd-l2ork's behavior.  I'm not sure how Pd-extended is controlling its color scheme. -Jonathan On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:55 AM, Alessio Degani alessio.deg...@ymail.com wrote: Hi Johnathan, and list. Thank you for your reply. I've

Re: [PD] finding source file of vanilla object

2014-12-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
sys_main in s_main.c calls pd_init (from m_pd.c) which runs all the relevant *_setup functions. -Jonathan On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:15 PM, Charles Z Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: The classes provided by Pd-vanilla are not externals.  They are compiled into the pd binary

[PD] gui toolkits

2014-12-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list,I've been investigating other guis as possible replacements for tcl/tk gui.  A few reasons:* tk is slow to redraw * no anti-aliasing except on OSX* poor support for theming* poor support for standard image formats* binary alpha channel* limited control of font properties on canvas *

Re: [PD] gui toolkits

2014-12-24 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 12/24/2014 01:35 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: On Dec 24, 2014, at 12:18 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote: Of course if someone with the knowledge and energy to do this the right way has any suggestions, I'm all ears. I have the inkling that if I could

Re: [PD] more about float limitation

2015-02-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I think you're talking about several things at once.  Katja's Pd Double is essentially about changing t_float to be a double-precision floating point number.  But as I understand it she also revised the code in some of the core tilde classes like osc~ and phasor~ to optimize their performance. 

Re: [PD] more about float limitation

2015-02-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
One other question: would you accept patches for Pd Vanilla that make it _possible_ to compile with t_float at double-precision (something Pd Vanilla cannot currently do)?  That would give the Pd Vanilla user the option to compile to double-precision if they wish, which IIUC is the whole point

Re: [PD] clear delwrite~?

2015-02-05 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/patches/369/ Due to the complexity of that patch it will probably be awhile before it can be fully vetted for inclusion in Pd Vanilla. -Jonathan On Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:48 PM, Jaime E Oliver jaime.oliv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Is

[PD] speech recognition and ethics

2015-02-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list, Here's a fun thought-experiment: suppose you're doing a port of Pd, and the graphics toolkit you're using will include functionality to hook in to Google's speech recognition API.  Such an API could make the software accessible to people who would otherwise find it very hard to write

Re: [PD] speech recognition and ethics

2015-02-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
licensing I think that corpus would also benefit the big guys though, so their corpus would remain a proper superset of what's available to OSS developers.  On Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Hi list,  Here's a fun thought-experiment: suppose you're doing a port

Re: [PD] speech recognition and ethics

2015-02-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
an accessible shared corpus. Unless there was some tricky licensing I think that corpus would also benefit the big guys though, so their corpus would remain a proper superset of what's available to OSS developers.     On Sat, Feb 7, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Hi

Re: [PD] Pd node-webkit port

2015-02-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Is there a demo of the user experience for displaying and navigating subpatches in Noflo? -Jonathan On Monday, February 2, 2015 12:25 PM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Sorry for the slow answer. I've asked Forrest who is the developer for NoFlo-ui, and he answered that there is

[PD] Pd node-webkit port

2015-01-19 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Got some basic patch display going in node-webkit:www.jonathanwilkes.net/pd-with-nw.webm -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Pd node-webkit port

2015-01-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Cheers On 20/01/2015 05:22, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote: Got some basic patch display going in node-webkit: www.jonathanwilkes.net/pd-with-nw.webm -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

[PD] clock delay skewed in nw port

2015-01-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi list,Any idea why clock_delay would create a delay that is rougly 2.5 times longer than what it is supposed to be? It's weird because I can send a long stream of mouse motion messages from node-webkit to Pd, and receive the response fast enough that I can't detect the latency when I move

Re: [PD] clock delay skewed in nw port

2015-01-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at wrote: Hi list,Any idea why clock_delay would create a delay that is rougly 2.5 times longer than what it is supposed to be? It's weird because I can send a long stream of mouse motion messages from node-webkit to Pd, and receive the response

Re: [PD] Pd node-webkit port

2015-01-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
One question I have about the noflo UI is whether it supports the concept of subpatching.  I want to define a box's function by zooming into it and filling it with more boxes. It's not a difficult UI to imagine.  But to even have parity with Pd's scattered toplevel windows there would

Re: [PD] environment modules for Pd

2015-01-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Can't you just symlink to various Pd-Vanilla/Pd-double versions that you've compiled?  That way you don't have to install anything system-wide.  -Jonathan On Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:26 PM, Charles Z Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, It's been awhile since I've posted

Re: [PD] meaning of delay(msec) and use callbacks in audio settings

2015-02-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Are you saying you want to get the latency that you perceive down to 4/10ms?  Or do you just want to get the latency setting in the preferences down to 4/10ms? Unfortunately those are two very different things. -Jonathan On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:11 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres

Re: [PD] more about float limitation (was: weird float/add limitation)

2015-01-31 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
I erroneously sent my last reply to a single recipient-- here's the gist... There's a hidden premise in this thread that Pd's representation of float atoms in the GUI must be exactly the same as the representation in the Pd file.  Not only is that false, but AFAICT the only sane way to solve the

Re: [PD] Pd node-webkit port

2015-01-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Sébastien, Is there a small example of something like subpatching using that framework?  Most of the docs I've read on NoFlo seem to treat the concept as an afterthought.  There seems to be an emphasis on organizing large diagrams along the lines of train maps, which I think is the wrong

Re: [PD] Fw: [PD-dev] Mouse over editing Pd patch: correction

2015-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
-d n flag just prints out debugging info to the console. I understand the performance gain of a single monster patch vs. a patch with many (possibly nested) signal abstractions.  But I'm more interested in a single monster patch vs. a patch with GUI controls plus a _single_ monster subpatch

Re: [PD] query dsp state

2015-01-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Also, in Pd-l2ork: [dsp(|[canvasinfo]|[print] There is probably also an external somewhere in Pd-extended that does the same thing. -Jonathan On Monday, January 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2015-01-12 at 17:28 +0200, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:

Re: [PD] Fw: [PD-dev] Mouse over editing Pd patch

2015-01-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Hi Ed,When you move the mouse on a canvas...1) A tk mouse motion event calls a proc (I can't remember the rate at which they are sent, but run Pd with -d 3 and watch how many motion messages are sent over the socket as you mouse around) 2) The proc sends a message [canvas you're mousing around

Re: [PD] For sample players based on [line~], [vline~], or [phasor~], how can we be sure all samples are being played?

2015-03-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
On 03/20/2015 12:57 PM, Reed Perkins wrote: Hello all, [line~], [vline~], and [phasor~] are used to generate line ramps in basic sample-playback patches. The output of these objects is usually multiplied by the total number of samples in a sound file (that has already been loaded into an

Re: [PD] So [bang~] can't bang in less than 64 blocksize, huh?

2015-03-15 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
But [print~] has a float method for specifying consecutive blocks, so that shouldn't matter. -Jonathan On Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:36 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there are other objects that somehow restrict themselves to a 64 size block

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