Pentax A35-105 f3.5, purchased from KEH in 'bargain' condition.
When I change the zoom, the focus seems to change.
For example, at 105mm focused out at 20', after zooming out a bit it will
clearly focus well below the 20' mark on the focus scale.
I find that I cannot trust the scale near the 35mm
Hello all,
I know there have been already thousands of discussions about macros,
but I can't remember what the conclusion was ^^
so what do you think about the PENTAX K VIVITAR MACRO 2,8/100? How much
is a reasonable price for it? (at ebay, no professional foto dealer)
There's als a PENTAX
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 20 Oct 2003 at 22:25, Bruce Dayton wrote:
Feeling left out, I also use an Epson 2450.
Me too, Nikon LS-8000
I might as well join in. Agfa Arcus 1200. Could have bought a cheap
drum scanner not long ago but decided against it as I'm not quite that
serious :)
What I meant is that it should be spec.ed at
the number of independent |full color| output
pixels
I'm sorry, but you're several years too late with this argument.
The pixel count on all digital cameras (with the exception of
BW cameras and one one other case mentioned below) is the count
on 21.10.03 23:36, Bob Walkden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had one for a short time until it was stolen with the rest of my
stuff. I didn't get chance to use it very much, but it was easy to
use. It has modelling lights; it also has 2 flash tubes so you can
switch one off to get some
Fra: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Matt Bevers wrote:
This of course doesn't mean that taking a BW photo on a 6MP camera
results in a 2MP file.
If you are using a red, blue, or green filter it effectively does.
Only it is a little worse for red and blue and better
Only if the filters are perfect, which they are not. The blue and green sensors will
see some red light, but at a much lower intensity than the red sensors. The Bayer
algorithm is to some degree able to use this data in building the image.
DagT
Fra: mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my example
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 23:30 America/New_York, Bucky wrote:
That's a total of 18 batteries to keep everything running. I now have
5
chargers and 20-some NiMH AAs.
Ouch! It's time they started making chargers that take more batteries.
btw, you might want to look into a battery pack.
--jc
Radio Shack sells one that will charge 8 at a time.
Bill
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: *ist D: Enabled!
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 23:30 America/New_York, Bucky wrote:
BW only DSLR? Kodak made a series of them. The last one was dropped only recently.
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcs760M/dcs760mIndex.jhtml
Maybe you can find a used one.
alex wetmore wrote:
It would be nice if one could buy a BW only digital camera that
didn't
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 19:17 America/New_York, Bill Owens wrote:
Looks like you're as impressed as I am at the results at 3200. And the
beauty of it is, next shot, spin the dial for a different ISO without
changing film. Takes every bit of 5 seconds to do it.
It would have been even
Yes those are the usual mounting materials for murals. Masonite is more durable,
Gaterboard easier to handle. If they are NOT going to be framed they need a
second sheet mounted on the back or they will warp. Thick 1 Gaterboard seems to
work best for that use.
tom wrote:
I have a client who
Hi,
I have the M 100/4.0. It does a nice job on close up and macro, only goes to
1:2 without an extension tube. Adequate but hardly outstanding as a
landscape lens at infinity focus, I will change to my M 135/3.5 for
landscapes instead of using the 100.
What the hell are you talking, bar after the game, anyway? In ~our~
softball league (back when I played), we had the first 1/2 dozen ~during~
the game. That way you don't have to hurry to the bar... vbg
-frank
REPLY
Then why are you playing? In the leagues I'm used to, the entire object of
Apologies for the stupid question, but if all PDMLers are invited, to the
GFM, where and when is it?
Most folks seem to have their planning well advanced, but some of us must
have missed out on the original details.
Peter
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From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Yeah, I'm leaning to wards the 1 gatorfoam. They say it doesn't warp,
is that bs?
The colorplak thing looks interesting.
tv
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From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes those are the usual mounting materials for murals.
Masonite is more durable,
Gaterboard
Easy question to answer:
http://www.grandfather.com/events/nphoto.htm
Bill
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From: Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: GFM gear Newbie Question
Apologies for the stupid question, but if all
I know the *istD does some compensation on the AF360FGZ - bit weird
seeing it in action. It confused me for a while, until I downloaded and
English manual and had a read about this. At first I thought I might
have had a fault as the flash kept telling me I had a 58mm lens when I
had the 24-90 set
A quick scan on google provided these:
The Botanical Building
The Hall of Champions Sports Museum
The House of Pacific Relations International Cottages
Inc.
The Japanese Friendship Garden
The Museum of Photographic Arts
The Museum of San Diego History
The Reuben H. Fleet Space Theater and
Check out the Del Coronado hotel on Coronado Island.
REPLY
Just don't stay there. The charm fades really quickly when you realize it's
you room for a w - e - e - k. I had the pleasure of running a uers'
group conference there once. It wasn't a good working hotel.
Larry
on 22.10.03 17:22, Rob Brigham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me it looks like Pentax have got it wrong. A 24mm lens on the istD
should require a flash angle equivalent to a 35mm lens.
I think Rob it is not wrong. The values shown, shows rather field of
coverage of the flash. Thus 85mm flash
Mediocre service, for what you pay?
keith whaley
Larry Levy wrote:
Check out the Del Coronado hotel on Coronado Island.
REPLY
Just don't stay there. The charm fades really quickly when you realize it's
you room for a w - e - e - k. I had the pleasure of running a uers'
group
I think so, but it is confusing the hell out of me at the moment. I
just don't see how they could have got this so wrong?!? How could they
realise it was worth compensating, then compensate the wrong way?
Surely I am missing something?
Mind you, it shouldn't matter if the flash FOV is wider
Thanks.
Looks good, but clashes with my son's 18th birthday.
Perhaps next year?
Peter
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From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: GFM gear Newbie Question
Easy question to answer:
Hi!
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:08:26 +0100
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think so, but it is confusing the hell out of me at the moment. I
just don't see how they could have got this so wrong?!? How could
they
realise it was worth compensating, then compensate the wrong way?
Surely I am
mishka wrote:
m and saw the signs speed limit strictly enforced, i realized new
m york cops do have a sense of hunor.
You meant honour, right!?
;o)
Coming from a country struggling to rebuild its infrastructure, I
shouldn't have been too shocked by the state of NYC roads. Yet it
often
Yeah, this would check that the flash beam is not narrower than it needs to be, but I
am concerned that the opposite is hapenning. The flash beam if left unchanged from
normal behaviour would be wider than necessary, and Pentax seem to have adjusted it to
be even wider rather than narrower.
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:39:11 +0100
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, this would check that the flash beam is not narrower than it
needs to be, but I am concerned that the opposite is hapenning. The
flash beam if left unchanged from normal behaviour would be wider
than necessary, and
Hi,
the 2003 exhibition opened in London last week, and I went to see it
today. It's up to its usual extremely high standard, and I recommend
to everybody.
You can see it here:
http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wildwin/2003/
Velvia and Sensia seem to be the films of choice, as usual. As far as
I
Could anyone please suggest a photoshop book for beginers, both when it
comes to photo editing and the software.
thanks
Paul
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From: Paul Eriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Book suggestion
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:39:11 +0100
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But with DSLR it would cost virtually zilch to make a try!
Boris
Well it would cost $2599.00(Canadian) for the first shot anyway.vbg
Dave(just being a pain)Brooks
Great feature.
I've never had one of the Pentax bodies with it but ...
I did get to use a TLR with it!
Yes, on some the ss aperture can be locked together.
Turn one and the other moves.
It's a very practical feature, whether mechanical or electronic.
CRB
Rob,
Back when I had some AF360FGZ's, I find a setting on them to tell them
what kind of film format was being used - 35, 645, 67. By setting
that, the zoom head on the flash would show correct focal length for
the format being used (85mm on 35, 165 on 67). My hunch is that they
just have the
f5.6. Just divide f-stop by 2.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that i have the 200 f 4 and the 2x converter to use on my SP 500,
i though
a trip to the zoo soon might be in order to try and get some lions,tigers and bears,oh
my.
However the
That would make sense, but I am sure the flash head reads 58mm when I
have my 24-90 at 90mm. This agrees with the chart, but not with what
you/Wylwester/I think it should work.
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 October 2003 18:06
To: Rob
Kegger League, man. It is the losing team that pays for the keg. But it was
always bought up front and the losers reimbursed whoever actually paid for it.
Then they passed a law against alcoholic bevs in the public parks most places.
The kids today have no idea all the rights they have already
Hi,
Definitely looks, to me, as if they have got the column headings
reversed. A simple typographical mistake.
Maybe your 360 has a typo in the LCD 8-)
m
Rob Brigham wrote:
That would make sense, but I am sure the flash head reads 58mm when I
have my 24-90 at 90mm. This agrees with the
Hi,
Alin Flaider wrote:
mishka wrote:
m and saw the signs speed limit strictly enforced, i realized new
m york cops do have a sense of hunor.
You meant honour, right!?
;o)
Coming from a country struggling to rebuild its infrastructure, I
shouldn't have been too shocked by the
On 22/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Cotty wrote:
In fact, age 10 until now, and then beyond. Who knows what awaits us
after this life ?
Frankencot. Scary.
LOL. The voices in my head keep telling me I'm on the right track.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
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-- P.S.: I took a sacrilegous turn (sold my LX), so I can not
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-- the LX wink (for those who remember). But if you
That is my plan. Mind you I only have five of them, not as many as some
others. They still get their workouts.
Spotmatic, SV, S1a, S1a, S3,
Cesar
Panama City, Florida
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-- Guy in the green shorts should have been sliding anyway.
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-- I don't know, he seems to
2x converter lets 1/4 light through. Therefore,
your lens should be at f/5.6 instead of f/11
Best,
mishka
If i'm reading say, 1/250 f 11,what do i set the
lens at.If the converter is letting in 1/2 the light
as Tom R mentioned,it is now an F8 lens,so should i
set the aperature ring on F
Somehow Frank, you strike me as one who would hurry to the bar afterwards
anyway...
César
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-- Hi, tom,
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-- I know, no spikes in softball. Actually, I think they're
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Trial prep is a huge PITA. But, as long as you have that retainer in your
trust account, and interim bill aggressively, you'll see tangible fruits of
that time spent not shooting with your *ist D. Not only that, but you won't
look like a dork in court when opposing counsel asks that awkward
Oooh!! Welcome to the new brotherhood!
-Original Message-
From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 October 2003 21:45
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Flash on *istD
Rob,
the AF500FTZ reports zoom position as 35mm equivalents.
Eg. displaying 28mm
It looks like I have a lot of reading to do. I just
bought my friend's PZ-1P. From the initial inspection
it appears to be a robust, capable camera. I can't
wait to try it out for our trip to Disneyland.
I may have to put off my *ist D dreams on hold for a
while.
Francis
I second Cotty's choice.
Kenneth Waller
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Book suggestion please
On 22/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Could anyone please suggest a photoshop
Yeah, I'd ride to the after-game bar as fast as I could, on my bike (it
isn't against the law to ride a bike after drinking, BTW - it's not very
smart either, but the likelyhood is that the only person you'll hurt is
yourself).
But, I exaggerated a bit. We only had a couple of beers each at
Hi All
The previous posts regarding LCD delay reminded me of one of my major
concerns wth Digital Cameras. Both digitals I've owned so far have a very
aggravating shutter delay. Timing your shot and getting the moment can be a
very aggravating problem. Anticipating the moment is difficult
David,
In my hands, the *ist D's behavior is indistinguishable from a regular SLR
with respect to shutter lag - it fires instantly upon pressing the release,
provided you have the focus set. I would not have bought it were it otherwise.
Quoting Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi All
The
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Dave Miers wrote:
The previous posts regarding LCD delay reminded me of one of my
major concerns wth Digital Cameras. Both digitals I've owned so far
have a very aggravating shutter delay. Timing your shot and getting
the moment can be a very aggravating problem.
I finally have some pictures from the Northern California PDML Meet up.
http://members.aol.com/doepage2/PDML/
Some people pixs, more scenery pixs, and a humorous (to me, anyway)
accompanying little story. Nothing fantastic photograph-wise, but some passable.
*Unfortunately some of the jpegs
Hey Frank,
... (it isn't against the law to ride a bike after drinking, BTW
- it's not very smart either, but the likelyhood is that the only
person you'll hurt is yourself).
I believe that in most states in the U.S., once you carry your weight on the
bicycle you are considered to be
How many spouses are coming to GFM?
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From: Haller, Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Frank,
... (it isn't against the law to ride a bike after drinking, BTW
- it's not very smart either, but the likelyhood is that the only
person you'll hurt is yourself).
I believe that in most states
Once focus is set, there is no lag. Same as my film SLR's
Bill
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From: Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: *ist D shutter delay?
Hi All
The previous posts regarding LCD delay reminded me of one of
Phyllis will probably be up Friday evening. Debbie will be there won't she?
Bill
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From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: New to the list
How many spouses are coming to GFM?
Thanks Tom!
He's Canadian. It's total anarchy up there.
And it's not far from it down here either! I have a friend who tried to ride
his bicycle legally, but he was rammed so many times by other bicyclists
that he gave up! I call it Suicide by Bicycle around here! :-)
- THaller
any DSLR should be at least as fast as the film SLR equivalent. the reason
that PS digital cameras are so slow is because they use the image sensor
for focusing.
Herb
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From: Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:03
Hi,
Wednesday, October 22, 2003, 9:07:28 PM, you wrote:
I enjoyed looking at these:
http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wildwin/2003/ad_picnumb.dsml?catdescrip2=aiteposdescrip2=rupicnumb=16
http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wildwin/2003/ju_picnumb.dsml?catdescrip2=10yauposdescrip2=rupicnumb=75
Since this camera has a smaller than 35mm frame size
sensor there is a possiblity that pentax will ( or already
has) issue lenses that only cover the smaller sensor.
If this is true I am assuming there would be some kind
of mechanical keying such that any kmount lens, even
the ones covering the
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Since this camera has a smaller than 35mm frame size
sensor there is a possiblity that pentax will ( or already
has) issue lenses that only cover the smaller sensor.
They have already announced the DA 16-45mm lens that only projects
enough to cover
Hi,
Bob Walkden wrote:
The shot of the beetle drinking dew is, of course, much better on the
wall than on a screen. There's still no substitute for a real
exhibition!
It should be up here by the end of the year, I think.
Me too. When I first looked at it on the wall of the exhibition I
I might talk #7 into coming down, we'll see.
tv
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From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes. We'll actually both get there on Thursday and claim a
tent spot.
I was just curious if anyone else was treating their wife
(of hubby if
applicable) to
I don't think it's a butterfly. I think it's a moth, although a very nice
and colorful moth. Good shot.
p;aul
Thomas Haller wrote:
Hey does anyone know what kind of Monarch butterfly this is? It's been
hanging around my yard. I've never seen a wing pattern like this...
- Original Message -
From: tom
Subject: RE: As promised
He's Canadian. It's total anarchy up there.
We prefer to think of it as being open minded.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: Dave Miers
Subject: *ist D shutter delay?
Hi All
The previous posts regarding LCD delay reminded me of one of my major
concerns wth Digital Cameras. Both digitals I've owned so far have a very
aggravating shutter delay. Timing your shot and getting the
Hi there,
I have an opportunity to buy this lens in ex + condition for the equivalent
of $188. Is this a good price?
And another question - I love 50/55mm lenses. Really liked my M 50/1.7, was
very fond of the FA 50/1.4, and now I'm a proud (and happy) owner of one K
55/1.8 and one K 50/1.4.
Thanks everyone that replied to this post so quickly! They were very
positive answers since I had heard that the earlier Canons also suffered
from shutter lag. Now all that I have for an excuse is lack of full frame
sensor and most importantly MONEY! It would really be better for my wallet
if
list
i need a wide angle to tele lense say from 24 to around 100. any
recommendations?
thanks
arnie
The shot of the beetle drinking dew is, of course, much better on the
wall than on a screen. There's still no substitute for a real
exhibition!
I assumed this to be the case. While I expect to disagree with the
final placing quite often (I much prefer the jackrabbit to the pelican,
as just
I got to shoot one of the FA 50mm macro lenses for a day a few years ago. I
took some flower photos at my grandfather's garden and made him a 12x18
print of my favorite shot. The detail was amazing. I was no where near
full macro, maybe 18 inches, and every little detail in the flower and it's
I finally have some pictures from the Northern California PDML Meet up.
http://members.aol.com/doepage2/PDML/
Some people pixs, more scenery pixs, and a humorous (to me, anyway)
accompanying little story. Nothing fantastic photograph-wise, but some passable.
A little better than
One thing which make shutter lag bad on PS cameras is that the CCD in
them is always live, updating the LCD. When it is time to take the
picture they need to turn off the CCD for a short amount of time to
let it clear it's registers and go completely black.
I don't think this can be the
It looks like I have a lot of reading to do. I just
bought my friend's PZ-1P. From the initial inspection
it appears to be a robust, capable camera.
It is. For many things it's the most capable automatic
camera that Pentax offer. As a recent thread discussed
the MZ-S can surpass it in
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:23:03 -0400, graywolf wrote:
They ought to volt every incumbent out ...
If you're gonna volt them, you don't need to wait for the election. :-)
And I agree with you, BTW.
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Thanks everyone that replied to this post so quickly! They were very
positive answers since I had heard that the earlier Canons also suffered
from shutter lag.
Which earlier Canons would this be? I've never heard any complaints of
shutter lag from Canon DSLR users, and I hang out with a
The lens has a dampening switch on it so when you use it in manual focus
it
feels like a manual focus lens.
That's one of the most important things for me - it's good to know that I'll
have an opportunity to handle this lens before buing, though :-) I knew
about the dampening swich, but I've
I suspect that this may be a response to my riding a bicycle while drunk
post. I don't know, because I haven't seen my own post yet, even though
I've had an off-list comment. I seem to be missing quite a few posts on
this thread. Damn Hotmail!
Okay, here goes. First, a disclaimer. Here in
Very good!
I really enjoyed the pictures.
The MZ/S really IS that good, huh, John? I know Marnie wouldn't fool us...
Anyhow, a fun time was had by all, it seems. g
Thanks for the report.
keith whaley
John Francis wrote:
I finally have some pictures from the Northern California PDML Meet
Marnie wrote:
I finally have some pictures from the Northern California PDML Meet up.
http://members.aol.com/doepage2/PDML/
Some people pixs, more scenery pixs, and a humorous (to me, anyway)
accompanying little story.
Read the humorous little story.
Makes me glad that the one time I
How many spouses are coming to GFM?
Mine, for one (and the young as well.) Can't leave home without them. (I can
hear poor Cesar gnashing his teeth
now!)
on 10/22/03 2:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
I know there have been already thousands of discussions about macros,
but I can't remember what the conclusion was ^^
so what do you think about the PENTAX K VIVITAR MACRO 2,8/100? How much
is a reasonable price
on 10/22/03 6:56 PM, arnie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
list
i need a wide angle to tele lense say from 24 to around 100. any
recommendations?
thanks
arnie
FA24-90
Considering the fact that I paid $300.00 US for mine I think $188 is a good
deal for a great lens.
Robert
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From: ukasz Kacperczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: FA 50/2.8 Macro
Hi there,
I have an
Congrats. It's a great camera. I just sold both of mine for Pentax's me
too digital. I felt more than a twinge of regret letting them go.
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From: Francis Alviar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22-Oct-03 14:43
To: Pentax Discuss List
Subject: Re: Hypermanual
It looks
I have this macro lens. I use this for landscape
photography too. Recently I started observing the
sharpness in edges during projection. I found that
sharpness reduction in the edges is apparently, on
some cases it is too obvious. I was not comparing the
test charts and they were mostly landscape
The MZ/S really IS that good, huh, John?
Maybe we need to arrange a mini-PDML meet.
You're going to be up in Boulder Creek; Thomas is in Santa Cruz;
I'm in south San Jose. You could try the MZ-S and/or the PZ-1p.
Or even the *ist-D, if I'm prepared to take my hands off it ...
I could probably
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:21:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I finally have some pictures from the Northern California PDML Meet up.
http://members.aol.com/doepage2/PDML/
Marnie,
Thanks for sharing that. Now I see what I missed. That was the whirlwind
weekend I came back from a trip to
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