Re: curing myself of Facebook

2009-08-29 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: Just couldn't cope with it... email is my preferred method of communicating when a phone call is not possible (which is my FAVORITE type of communication) so for those of you who are on it, please don't invite me back - just don't want to do it ann Well said.

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Again - from Roosevelt Island Great. The light is really beautiful. More! :-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web :

Re: Punting

2009-08-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/8/09, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: Most relaxing to watch. Did you have to close off the river while stunt punting? Har! No I was quite cunning.. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

OT: There are no crazy people in Nebraska

2009-08-29 Thread Bob W
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Re: curing myself of Facebook

2009-08-29 Thread Peter Zalabai
The only reason I am using Facebook is because I can reach it from my phone. I was invited to the other 'social life' pages but I believe social life is better if it's lived in a pub next to a beer (or orange juice in my case) :) .t ann sanfedele wrote: Just couldn't cope with it... email is

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Adam wrote : Unfortunately while that's a nice theory it is not born out in practice.edit, see full quote below. No, I don’t agree. Are you trying to say that a FF lens has to have the same resolution across the board as an APS lens across the board to match the APS overall system

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:30 AM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: Adam wrote : Unfortunately while that's a nice theory it is not born out in practice.edit, see full quote below. No, I don’t agree. Are you trying to say that a FF lens has to have the same resolution across the board

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread paul stenquist
Nice pic. Pretty light. Is it a power generating facility? Paul On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:55 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Again - from Roosevelt Island http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-New-York/2564371_i3HHm/1/633193442_Aakk9/Large http://tinyurl.com/lgpnnv ann

Re: Lightroom Questions

2009-08-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm late on this :-) I'm with Godfrey on this. One reason is that Adobe have moved some essential tools around, the cropping tool is one example. They moved it from the lower bar to one of the side bars. In other words, you will force him to learn the same things twice. -- MaritimTim 2009/8/18

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread David J Brooks
Nice lighting and composition Ann Dave On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:55 AM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Again - from Roosevelt Island http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-New-York/2564371_i3HHm/1/633193442_Aakk9/Large http://tinyurl.com/lgpnnv ann

Re: peso - Brittany

2009-08-29 Thread David J Brooks
I'm 60/40 for the colour version. The BW seems a bit more dramatic, but the colour a bit more daring. Dave On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Sasha Sobolsa...@asobol.com wrote: I need your advice - color or bw? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3864313344/in/set-72157622040375943/

Re: peso - Brittany

2009-08-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Derby Changder...@iinet.net.au wrote: BW. I would have pulled back slightly. The pose is a little awkward, so a bit less crop might have helped. Pretty set, though. The first shot is my favourite. If i was allowed to get that close to a pretty girl, i'm gona

Re: GESO: Har ki dun trek photos

2009-08-29 Thread David J Brooks
Womderful series of photos. This one i like a lot. http://picasaweb.google.co.in/pdml.live/HKD#5374129055267831010 Dave On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Subashpdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: hi, pictures from my first trek in the himalayas, which turned out to be an amazing experience. this is

Re: peso: tram

2009-08-29 Thread David J Brooks
Ann, all i get when i click on the link is a gallery. Which one is it.?? Dave On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:43 PM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: at the place where you get on the tram from Roosevelt Island back to Manhattan  - hand held and no flash tweaked a little in Elements to

Re: peso: tram adjusted

2009-08-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Actually, I really did call it TRAM as a bit of irony -- its more about the bridge and the crazy tramway mechanics.. that being said ...  I did make a file with Marnie's suggestion and I think I like it... but I waffle...

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Desjardins, Steve
I admit I'm more amenable to the APS-C forever, unless it is beaten out by 4/3. The point is that even though MF and LF existed, the smaller 35 mm dominated because the IQ was good enough. I think that's where APS-C or 4/3 is now. Of course, good enough doesn't make sense to many on this

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
I'm unsure of 4/3rds viability long-term. I suspect strongly that the lower-end 4/3rds DSLR's will be killed off by Micro4/3rds and the higher-end line will be on life support and exist mostly to fill in the gaps for Micro-4/3rds users. 4/3rds simply hasn't been able to capitalize on the promise

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
What Dave said!Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: Nice lighting and composition Ann Dave On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:55 AM, ann sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Again - from Roosevelt Island

Re: OT: There are no crazy people in Nebraska

2009-08-29 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/29/2009 2:35:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7673591.stm What? I found the legal ruling that since God had no known address and papers couldn't be served to him/her because of that, quite

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/28/2009 10:54:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: Again - from Roosevelt Island http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-New-York/2564371_i 3HHm/1/633193442_Aakk9/Large http://tinyurl.com/lgpnnv ann http://annsan.smugmug.com

PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Toine
I don't think I have posted this one as a peso. Checked PPG today and they accepted it :) http://tinyurl.com/kkttav Thanks for viewing (or watching), Toine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Jack Davis
Nice, Toine! Jack --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote: From: Toine to...@repiuk.nl Subject: PESO Watching you To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 8:10 AM I don't think I have posted this one as a peso. Checked PPG today and they

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Desjardins, Steve
I agree. I should have said micro-4/3 since that's what the G1 and E-P1 are. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:23 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF

Re: peso - Brittany

2009-08-29 Thread Sasha Sobol
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:12 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Derby Changder...@iinet.net.au wrote: BW. I would have pulled back slightly. The pose is a little awkward, so a bit less crop might have helped. Pretty set, though. The first shot is my

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Again - from Roosevelt Island Great. The light is really beautiful. More! :-) Ralf Glad you like it, Ralf - I was lucky to be there then - visiting a friend who had just moved to the island - until then I had

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Yeah it's an LIPA (Long Island Power) plant... I had though it was Con-Ed ann paul stenquist wrote: Nice pic. Pretty light. Is it a power generating facility? Paul On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:55 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Again - from Roosevelt Island

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
ooops - maybe it is Con Ed... it is called the Ravenswood Power Plant and there is some controversy going on about it being sold to TransCanada... I'm not really up on the story ann paul stenquist wrote: Nice pic. Pretty light. Is it a power generating facility? Paul On Aug 29, 2009, at

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
eactiv...@aol.com wrote: http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-New-York/2564371_i 3HHm/1/633193442_Aakk9/Large http://tinyurl.com/lgpnnv ann http://annsan.smugmug.com == Heh. Nice shot. But to have it really be for Ralf, you gotta shoot it at night. Marnie

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Nice, Toine -- classic subject from unusual angle... I want to sing 'Let a smile be your _umbella_ ' remembering a tiny bit of botanical terms. ok I'll shut up now Toine wrote: I don't think I have posted this one as a peso. Checked PPG today and they accepted it :)

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Toine
Ehh.. I don't get it. Which song? Toine 2009/8/29 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: Nice, Toine --  classic subject from unusual angle... I want to sing 'Let a smile be your _umbella_ '  remembering a tiny bit of botanical terms. ok I'll shut up now Toine wrote: I don't think I have

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:10:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, to...@repiuk.nl writes: I don't think I have posted this one as a peso. Checked PPG today and they accepted it :) http://tinyurl.com/kkttav Thanks for viewing (or watching), Toine === Don't get the title, but very

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I don't follow your logic, the higher the overall sensor resolution and sensor pixel densities get with time, the more the overall system resolution depends on the lens' absolute resolution AND FORMAT SIZE. If you use two lenses with same across the board resolution ( say 60 lp/mm), the larger FF

PESO: in the woods

2009-08-29 Thread Luka Knezevic-Strika
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3867754586/ pentax spotmatic sp II super takumar 135 2.5 fuji 100 nikon ls-1000 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts, registration etc as FF cameras. The bottom line is that FF DSLRs and lenses are hardly much bigger than the APS DSLRs/lenses for these reasons. If APS had been designed from

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
There is an old song called Let a Smile be your UMBRELLA and i was punning on that with the botanical term that describes the flower you photographed from the family _umbelliferae_ has to do with the way the flowers branch out at the top of a stem, I believe anyway, nice flower ann Toine

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Marnie -- look to the right... you'll get the title... I didn't notice at first either. ann eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:10:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, to...@repiuk.nl writes: I don't think I have posted this one as a peso. Checked PPG today and they

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Toine
Now I get it. Googled the title. Never heard the song. And I also didn't know the botanical family name umbelliferae. I learn a lot (including photography) on this list. Toine 2009/8/29 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: There is an old song called Let a Smile be your UMBRELLA and i was punning

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Toine
Or click on the image for full screen, larger is better Toine 2009/8/29 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: Marnie -- look to the right...  you'll get the title... I didn't  notice at first either. ann eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:10:41 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
J.C. O'Connell wrote: I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts, registration etc as FF cameras. The bottom line is that FF DSLRs and lenses are hardly much bigger than the APS DSLRs/lenses for these reasons. If APS

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Wrong equivalence. That should read: So a 150/2 on 4/3 is required for getting 200/2.8 performance on APS-C (which in turn can be comparable to 300/4 on FF). Or at least this is how I see things. The conclusion is the same. Dario - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 01:24:27PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell scripsit: I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts, registration etc as FF cameras. [snip] Which is a very good thing for in-body anti-shake systems. Also a

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Especially with my old eyes! ann Toine wrote: Or click on the image for full screen, larger is better Toine 2009/8/29 ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: Marnie -- look to the right... you'll get the title... I didn't notice at first either. ann eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a

Re: PESO: in the woods

2009-08-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Luka, I like the repeated pattern between the girl's knee and the tree. The picture has a woodsy feel to it. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strikalukastr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3867754586/ pentax spotmatic sp II super

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
That's sorta my point, A FF Pentax DSLR is not going to be that much bigger than the current APS DSLR because APS is already using the same size lens mount, registration etc and those will not increase in size with a FF Pentax DSLR. 4/3 DSLRs are smaller than APS DSLRs are they not? Arent the

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:  I don't follow your logic, the higher the overall sensor resolution and sensor pixel densities get with time, the more the overall system resolution depends on the lens' absolute resolution AND FORMAT SIZE. If you use two

Re: PESO: in the woods

2009-08-29 Thread Toine
Great composition! 2009/8/29 Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3867754586/ pentax spotmatic sp II super takumar 135 2.5 fuji 100 nikon ls-1000 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
higher image quality trump all for me not solely because higher final image quality is always needed, but because of other things you can do like crop more while maintaining same final image quality. To me, cropping ability is very powerful because it allows you to capture much quicker and easier,

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: That's sorta my point, A FF Pentax DSLR is not going to be that much bigger than the current APS DSLR because APS is already using the same size lens mount, registration etc and those will not increase in size with a FF

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts, registration etc as FF cameras. The bottom line is that FF DSLRs and lenses are hardly much bigger

Re: PESO: in the woods

2009-08-29 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:57:06 +0200 Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote: 2009/8/29 Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3867754586/ pentax spotmatic sp II super takumar 135 2.5 I love the way the model's curves and lines echo those of the trees framing

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/29/2009 10:31:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: OH. Got it. Hehehehe. Marnie Old eyes, to be sure. == Marnie -- look to the right... you'll get the title... I didn't notice at first either. ann eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc. There are good technical arguments both for and against full-frame. None of it makes any difference. Full-frame is about marketing, consumer needs (desires, really) and fashion. And Pentax can no more choose not to go full-frame than they could have

Re: PESO Watching you

2009-08-29 Thread Ken Waller
Nicely done. Good composition, exposure colors. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Toine to...@repiuk.nl Subject: PESO Watching you I don't think I have posted this one as a peso. Checked PPG today and they accepted it :)

Re: PESO: in the woods

2009-08-29 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:18:15PM +0200, Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3867754586/ Very nice. Was it a deliberate pun based on sitting bare in the woods? pentax spotmatic sp II super takumar 135 2.5 fuji 100 nikon ls-1000 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: OT GESO: Decoder Ring (w/ Bridezilla and Seekae)

2009-08-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2009, at 16:34 , Derby Chang wrote: Decoder Ring, rightly lauded for their gorgeous Somersault soundtrack, have gone back to an all-instrumental outfit. Not that instrumental music quite accurately describes what they do. What an an epic set. All three bands boundary-riding the

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I would disagree that lens resolution usually isnt the limiting factor with ** todays high density APS sensors **. The small high density sensors used now generally ruthlessly reveal all the shortcomings of what I would say the majority, not the minority of lenses out there. This is probably the

Re: OT GESO: Decoder Ring (w/ Bridezilla and Seekae)

2009-08-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
By the way, let Bridezilla know they can tour up here in the USA, Seattle specific, anytime they wish. I'll not only buy tickets, but photograph their performances for them in return for travel, room, and board. On Aug 28, 2009, at 16:34 , Derby Chang wrote: Decoder Ring, rightly lauded

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
well I think the thing to consider is that the volume of a FF Pentax DSLR would not be 1.5x1.5x1.5 = approx 3.375 times the volume of their APS dslrs because not everything has to be scaled up, just some things. I havent really done any studies on these, but I would have a hunch that the body +

Re: OT GESO: Decoder Ring (w/ Bridezilla and Seekae)

2009-08-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/8/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: By the way, let Bridezilla know they can tour up here in the USA, Seattle specific, anytime they wish. I'll not only buy tickets, but photograph their performances for them in return for travel, room, and board. Joseph is such a nice guy

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
in some cases IQ does trump all. I have some very nice family photos I shot on 8x10 and Im glad I did. I had 35mm, MF, 4x5 at the time but I didn't skimp. Now of course 8x10 is very inapprpriate for many things, Im not saying it's the best, no way. But for me, I would gladly trade up to a

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
I disagree on it not making any difference(s). The ultimate image performance obtainable out of the APS format is not going to be as great as the ultimate performance obtainable out of the FF digital format. Larger formats have the potential for higher IQ performance when properly executed. --

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Mark Roberts wrote: Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc. There are good technical arguments both for and against full-frame. None of it makes any difference. Full-frame is about marketing, consumer needs (desires, really) and fashion. And Pentax can no more choose not to go

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
FF should not only be able to achieve higher system resolution at same or larger sensor resolutions, it should also be able to achieve same low noise performance at higher ISO sensitivities than APS sensor due to larger area sensor pixels. Just like APS images better than tiny digital ps sensors

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
J.C. O'Connell wrote: FF should not only be able to achieve higher system resolution at same or larger sensor resolutions, it should also be able to achieve same low noise performance at higher ISO sensitivities than APS sensor due to larger area sensor pixels. Just like APS images better than

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Some refinements in my thoughts below: J.C. O'Connell wrote: FF should not only be able to achieve higher system resolution at same or larger sensor resolutions, it should also be able to achieve same low noise performance at higher ISO sensitivities than APS sensor due to larger area sensor

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:42:15PM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote: 3) An ever-increasing number of DSLR users want FF. When they will be the majority, it will make No.2 irrelevant to 99% of DSLR users, thus resurrecting No.1. You're forgetting the most important point - a FF DSLR will always

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis wrote: And whatever they may *say* they want, 99% of DSLR purchasers will vote with their wallet and buy the cheaper DSLR. So no one on this list owns a K7 then? Or bought a K20 when it was new? Or a Nikon D700? (Hi, Dave Savage!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT GESO: Decoder Ring (w/ Bridezilla and Seekae)

2009-08-29 Thread Derby Chang
Cotty wrote: On 29/8/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: By the way, let Bridezilla know they can tour up here in the USA, Seattle specific, anytime they wish. I'll not only buy tickets, but photograph their performances for them in return for travel, room, and board.

RE: OT: There are no crazy people in Nebraska

2009-08-29 Thread Bob W
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7673591.stm What? I found the legal ruling that since God had no known address and papers couldn't be served to him/her because of that, quite sane and reasonable. Maybe. On the other hand he/she/they/it is/are omnipresent, so

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
- Original Message - From: John Francis jo...@panix.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:42:15PM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote: 3) An ever-increasing

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Larry Colen
It occurs to me that arguing what sort of lenses you need to get the full performance out of a full frame camera is like arguing what sort of tires you need to get the full performance out of a Ferrari. Most of us can't afford it, and most of those who can afford it don't have the skill to make

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
people don't just buy DSLR bodies, they buy DSLR systems (bodies and lenses) . Since FF system can match or outperform an APS system with lower performance, less costly lenses, a FF system could cost less, not more for same level of peformance as an all APS system even if the body alone costs more

Re: OT: There are no crazy people in Nebraska

2009-08-29 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/29/2009 2:12:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7673591.stm What? I found the legal ruling that since God had no known address and papers couldn't be served to him/her because of

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
ff bodies don't need as high a peformance lenses as APS bodies do to achieve same level of system peformance. That's the main appeal of FF bodies. No super tweeked, super performance leneses are required, mortal lenses can be applied to them for same results due to larger sensor format. -- J.C.

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:37:41PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell scripsit: people don't just buy DSLR bodies, they buy DSLR systems (bodies and lenses) . Since FF system can match or outperform an APS system with lower performance, less costly lenses, a FF system could cost less, not more for same

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: ff bodies don't need as high a peformance lenses as APS bodies do to achieve same level of system peformance. That's the main appeal of FF bodies. No super tweeked, super performance leneses are required, mortal lenses

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
depends how many lenses you buy and how much you save on each FF lens. Of course Pentax cant do FF in near future, last time I checked they had about 4 FF lenses currently available. They are not not ready to sell a FF system. They would rather sell you poorly tested very expensive DA lenss and

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
huh, pentax doesn't have a FF sensor. If they did it would around $2K like Sony, no? How many much cheaper non-DA lenses would it take to make up the extra $800 or so for the FF Penatx body vs the APS body? Answer - not many at all. A few at most. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)

Re: OT: There are no crazy people in Nebraska

2009-08-29 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sat Aug 29 16:38:27 CDT 2009 Eactivist wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2009 2:12:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pml at web-options.com writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7673591.stm What? I found the legal ruling that since God had no known address

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:40:42PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell wrote: ff bodies don't need as high a peformance lenses as APS bodies do to achieve same level of system peformance. That's the main appeal of FF bodies. No super tweeked, super performance leneses are required, mortal lenses can be

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: huh, pentax doesn't have a FF sensor. If they did it would around $2K like Sony, no? How many much cheaper non-DA lenses would it take to make up the extra $800 or so for the FF Penatx body vs the APS body? Answer -

Re: curing myself of Facebook

2009-08-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Peter Zalabai wrote: The only reason I am using Facebook is because I can reach it from my phone. I was invited to the other 'social life' pages but I believe social life is better if it's lived in a pub next to a beer (or orange juice in my case) :) .t I believe it is better if its

RE: Birthday

2009-08-29 Thread John Coyle
Bit late on this thread (been away in Hong Kong for a week): my oldest camera is a Rolleicord Vb from about 1955, which still works perfectly, although it does seem to have been built for a left-handed person! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:19:45PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote: huh, pentax doesn't have a FF sensor. If they did it would around $2K like Sony, no? How many much cheaper non-DA lenses would it take to make up the extra

PESO: Dome in the Mist

2009-08-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9712560 Comments welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PPG quota

2009-08-29 Thread Rick Womer
rant on I filled in the data form for a PPG account shortly after it opened a few years ago. Then, I read here and elsewhere about the ridiculous review system, which has only gotten more ridiculous. I tried to look at people's photos, and found the interface to be slower than an Apple II in

Re: PESO -- Ed

2009-08-29 Thread Rick Womer
Peter, I think this would work better in BW. Ed's ruddy complexion and a color rendering don't collaborate very well. One might also use the gradient tool in LR or PS to decrease the exposure on the right. I like the focus. Overall, it's a characterful portrait. Cheers, Rick

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
none exist? umm about 25 million PK mount FF lenses do exist. They are called the SMC Pentax K,M,A,F, FA series lenses and that's not even counting the many third party FF K mounts. Not all of them would be suitable for FF digital of course for a number of reasons but I bet the number is NOT

RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
if the FF body had same sensor pixel density as proposed by others as their best APS sensors, cropping the FF image would give same result as the APS, in that case the APS body doesn't have any lower cost long teles advantage, you could do same with the FF body if desired. Just crop the FF image

Re: PESO: Dome in the Mist

2009-08-29 Thread Jack Davis
Layer effect caused by the mist, well seen. Effective composition. Jack --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Dome in the Mist To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, August 29,

Re: PPG quota

2009-08-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nothing is perfect, Rick. The Pentax Photo Gallery is a wonderful display of interesting images. It is well worth participating in. I am often frustrated when they reject one of my favorite images, or take a long time to review one, but I enjoy looking at the collection and the other entries,

Re: PESO: Dome in the Mist

2009-08-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Jack On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Layer effect caused by the mist, well seen. Effective composition. Jack --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Dome in

Re: PPG quota

2009-08-29 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:41:18PM -0700, Rick Womer wrote: rant on I filled in the data form for a PPG account shortly after it opened a few years ago. Then, I read here and elsewhere about the ridiculous review system, which has only gotten more ridiculous. I tried to look at

Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000

2009-08-29 Thread Ken Waller
Yeah but the Michellin Pilot Sport Cup tires are the best. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000 It occurs to me that arguing what sort of lenses you need to

Re: Peso - one for Ralf :-)

2009-08-29 Thread Christine Aguila
That's a doozey, Ann. Great light interesting subject. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: ann sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:55 AM Subject: Peso - one for Ralf :-) Again - from Roosevelt Island

Re: Dome in the Mist

2009-08-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Nice framing nice mist, Dan. I know it's a dome, but it also kind of looks like a giant golf ball :-). Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:51 PM Subject:

Yee Haw other Pentax Stuff

2009-08-29 Thread Christine Aguila
I was at Central Camera today on display in the window is a 300mm Takumar screw mount lens, f4, I believe, for $349. IIRC there was a tripod mount attached as well. Contact info can be found at the link below--if anyone is interested. I'm sure if you call they'll tell you all about the

Re: PPG quota

2009-08-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Me three! And I signed up before the gallery opened too! Nice images, but a pain in the butt to view or join. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Francisjo...@panix.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:41:18PM -0700, Rick Womer wrote: rant on I filled in the data form