Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote:
(I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well,
but perhaps you'll get it)
I think you expressed it pretty darned well, Dario. And I completely
agree with what you say regarding building a community of the
What happened to the good old days, before I got old, and it was just you and
me. We knew everything too.
On Nov 30, 2011, at 06:12 , Dario Bonazza wrote:
Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote:
(I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well,
but
PAA = CCB
Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
complete communication breakdown.
On 11/28/2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ:
[...]
Did you know that every time I do a studio shoot a kitten dies?
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I think I read somewhere that you don't have to cover them in magnesium to
make them flash anymore, you can get some sort of electronic thing. Probably
not as effective, but might be worth
Bob W wrote:
Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
complete communication breakdown.
PAA = CCB
OMG!
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
complete communication breakdown.
PAA = CCB
OMG!
WTF?
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads
to complete communication breakdown.
PAA
Hey - Ashley reads the list with me! Watch your mouth!
ann
On 11/29/2011 03:20, Bob W wrote:
[...]
Did you know that every time I do a studio shoot a kitten dies?
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I think I read somewhere that you don't have to cover them in magnesium to
make them flash anymore, you
From: Rick Womer
Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
Image for Qritique?
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On Nov 25, 2011, at 18:06, William Robb wrote:
I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on
it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU.
And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be
a stunning landscape or a
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the
image, and not personal
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of
On 11/29/2011 12:41, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as
I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather
polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received
some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of
images, but that hasn't been the case for the last few months. As a
result, I find myself
I’ve been out of the loop lately: not even able to lurk.
Larry, the brain dump is a very good start. Your rules actually
apply to a lot of life in general.
There are a lot of good comments in this thread. The only reason I
post photos is to get feedback from a group of people who collectively
On 11/29/2011 10:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather
polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received
some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of
images, but that hasn't been the case for
Deal!
Jack
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On 11/29/2011 12:41, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
So, can we agree that on a PESO
From: Daniel J. Matyola
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of
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I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather
polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received
some detailed and pointed
On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote:
(I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well,
but perhaps you'll get it)
I think you expressed it pretty darned well, Dario. And I completely
agree with what you say regarding building a community of the like-minded.
For me, it's
On 2011-11-29 1:07, Rob Studdert wrote:
A FB community page or organisation page (I co-manage one) can have a
number of admins which negates that need for handovers etc.
Nice. I've never done that (FB community/organization page) so I wasn't
aware.
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On 29/11/2011 9:12 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Hey - Ashley reads the list with me! Watch your mouth!
I'm not shooting in the studio all that much any more.
I'm thinking of the kittens.
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:37 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Rick Womer
Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
Image for Qritique?
I'd go with RFC, Request For Critique just because I like to confuse people by
repurposing TLAs.
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Been out and about at Bryce and Zion National Parks over the weekend.
I may have one or two shots to display. :-)
Here's my thoughts on this semi-annual topic:
1. If a person posts a picture they're inviting a response. Usually
they're expecting a positive response I believe, otherwise they
Well put, Tom..
Nice summing up of the whole bit
ann
On 11/28/2011 13:21, Tom C wrote:
Been out and about at Bryce and Zion National Parks over the weekend.
I may have one or two shots to display. :-)
Here's my thoughts on this semi-annual topic:
1. If a person posts a picture they're
I agree with Ann.
Cheers,
frank
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Well put, Tom..
Nice summing up of the whole bit
ann
On 11/28/2011 13:21, Tom C
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Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
Well put, Tom..
Nice summing up of the whole bit
ann
On 11/28/2011 13:21, Tom C wrote:
Been out and about at Bryce and Zion National Parks over the weekend.
I may have one or two shots to display. :-)
Here's my thoughts on this semi-annual topic
We're a very polite people (with the exception of Bill Robb).
;-)
(just kidding, Bill)
cheers,
frank
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:33 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
We're a very polite people (with the exception of Bill Robb).
;-)
(just kidding, Bill)
He's not a person?
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On 11/28/2011 3:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:33 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
We're a very polite people (with the exception of Bill Robb).
;-)
(just kidding, Bill)
He's not a person?
I don't know, you should ask his wife.
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On 28/11/2011 12:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
7. I generally give only positive feedback and feel that praising the
positive is the best way of promoting improvement and continued
excellence. The photographer can learn the basics from a book and with
practice, so I feel no need to give instruction.
On 28/11/2011 2:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Stop being agreeable, but then I guess you can't help it, you're Canadian.
I'll try to make up for Frank's agree-ability.
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I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for discussion and critiques.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:21 PM, William Robb
On Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for discussion and critiques.
By all means give that a try but, I
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:21 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/11/2011 12:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
7. I generally give only positive feedback and feel that praising the
positive is the best way of promoting improvement and continued
excellence. The photographer can learn
On 2011-11-28 21:54, Brian Walters wrote:
By all means give that a try but, I think a statement in a PESO noting
that comments and suggestions are welcome (or similar), should be
enough. I'm can't understand why a statement like that shouldn't be
taken at face value.
I agree, but with a
Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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I still say
7. I generally give only positive feedback and feel that praising the
positive is the best way of promoting improvement and continued
excellence. The photographer can learn the basics from a book and with
practice, so I feel no need to give instruction.
Well, yes and no. Only giving
Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
complete communication breakdown.
On 11/28/2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for
:18 PM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for discussion and critiques.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011
I F Q ?
dangerous acronym, that Dan!
lol
ann
On 11/28/2011 21:54, Brian Walters wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ:
Listpdml@pdml.net
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for discussion and critiques.
Dan Matyola
http
that more acronyms or initialisms will do much more than clutter
our already busy lives.
Cheers,
frank
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On 27 November 2011 13:45, Doug Lefty Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote:
I think it could be a good thing. However, it has the same governance
issues as the PUG and the PDML: someone has to be first point of contact
and owner at any point it time. And some sort of transition will be
P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to
the PDML and post to the PUG.
Well the useful thing about Fcebook is that people who like the PUG
wouldn't
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it
and sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without
having to disenfranchise the anti-facebook population on the list, eh?
ann
On 11/27/2011 07:12, Mark Roberts wrote:
P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without having to
disenfranchise the anti-facebook population on the list, eh?
When did you
On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without having to
disenfranchise the
On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
sharing the link it would possibly increase
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:06:50 -0600
William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no
one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring,
poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject.
sad true and entirely
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:17:49 -0500
P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe
to the PDML and post to the PUG.
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:29:20 -0500
Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
a PUG Facebook page. Might even attract some people to The List.
I am cheating here having read some dissent then coming back to this
point.
I am far from a FaceBook fan, but I think a page for the PDML is a
great idea, if someone is willing and able to set it up and maintain
it.
If we attract a few idiots who are not our type of idiots, a few days
on the list will drive those folk away. We are a unique and
idiosyncratic bunch, and
On 2011-11-25 19:15, Tim Bray wrote:
I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. If I think a PESO is
worthless, I say nothing. If I think it’s great, I’ll say so and if I
can, add a word or two about why. If i think a picture is worthwhile
and could be improved by cropping or color
On 2011-11-26 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
Well, I suppose it's a matter of available time.
For me, it's hugely a matter of available time. As Paul mentioned, if I
tried to comment on every posted photo or gallery, I'd never have time
for anything else. And a constructive near miss message
I'd as soon experience bedbug infestation.
Jack
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On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann
On 27/11/2011 03:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
As I understand it PUG is for list members, actively contributing or
not. Why would we want to promote it?
On Nov 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com
From: Christine Aguila
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
As far as promoting the PUG goes,
mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 27/11/2011 03:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
As I understand it PUG is for list members, actively contributing or
not. Why would we want to promote it?
The idea would be to
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:37 PM, Mark Roberts
m...@robertstech.com wrote:
mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 27/11/2011 03:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
As I understand it PUG is for list members,
and taking criticism
On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without having
/southernlight/
Rick
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On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM
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On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take
criticism
I miss the days when I got scathing comments on my PESOs. They were
always helpful, or at least thought provoking, even when the comments
were a little hurtful. I'm a big boy, and I can take criticism. I
made it though Marine boot camp, where I was insulted by
professionals. I realize that I
I to enjoy praises and knock downs of my photos, i use this
information on any re shoots and future endeavors.
As far as being able to take and handle criticism and reject,. i think
people of my generation were taught how to fail, that it was not the
end of the world. I think a lot of younger
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
It's important to note that the regular member didn't just critique the
photo. He told the photographer that he should be ashamed at having posted
such inferior work and generally directed his comments at the
: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken. Everyone on the PDML is
capable of giving frank and respectful critique. Everyone has the rhetorical
skills and the photographic technical skills. I
comments directed at the critique's author.
Jack
.
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On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
When no one comments on a photo I've posted, I count that as a statement in
itself: BORING!
Same here. When I get no comments on stuff I've posted, I think the same thing.
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
I have to say, I'm with Ann when she says:
But I hope noone ever reads the _lack_ of any comment at all by me
(or, for that matter, lots of others of us) as an automatic thumbs down -
the randomness with which I read the
On Nov 25, 2011, at 7:06 PM, William Robb wrote:
Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes
to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a
banal and cliched subject.
I can agree that no one likes to hear such a message,
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Cc:
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken. Everyone on the PDML
is capable of giving frank and respectful critique. Everyone
On 11/25/2011 7:06 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and
take criticism. And a related discussion
of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion.
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That's because we
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
I also agree that there is no criticism harsher than getting no
comments at all on a PESO. To me that means not only that no one
liked it, but also that no one thought there was any hope of fixing it
or improving
On 26/11/11, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken.
I'm sorry.
(I'm British).
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From: David Parsons
An idea was floated last year that if you wanted, or were okay with
critique to use a different tag than PESO. Nothing ever came of it,
but it's always an option for people who just want to share, and those
who want active feedback.
Someone on list has a sig that says
On Nov 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
I'm sorry.
(I'm British).
I've never held that against you! :-) Cheers, Christine
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On Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:23 PM, John Sessoms
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From: David Parsons
An idea was floated last year that if you wanted, or were okay with
critique to use a different tag than PESO. Nothing ever came of it,
but it's always an option for people who just want
I have. =]
Jack
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On Nov 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
I'm sorry.
(I'm
on 2011-11-26 07:03 Daniel J. Matyola wrote
I also agree that there is no criticism harsher than getting no
comments at all on a PESO. To me that means not only that no one
liked it, but also that no one thought there was any hope of fixing it
or improving on it. I would much rather hear That
/kennethwaller
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Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
After reading Ann's comment, i have to add the same qualifier to my
previous comment. I can't possibly comment on every photo -- I'd never get
any work done. So
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Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
After reading Ann's comment, i have to add the same qualifier to my
previous comment. I can't possibly
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Yes, I regard GESOs as being posted for enjoyment, not critical comment.
I'll usually nominate a couple of favourites but nothing much more.
Interesting; that approach had never crossed my mind. A
On Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM, Tim Bray
tb...@textuality.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
Yes, I regard GESOs as being posted for enjoyment, not critical comment.
I'll usually nominate a couple of favourites but nothing much
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
comments the monthly PUG receives. Sometimes I wonder if anyone, other
than the contributors,
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
comments the monthly PUG receives.
On Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele
ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
comments
I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele
ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it
On 11/26/2011 19:38, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how
Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
a PUG Facebook page. Might even attract some people to The List.
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That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick
On 2011-11-26 21:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
a PUG Facebook page. Might even attract some people to The List.
I think it could be a good thing.
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to
the PDML and post to the PUG.
On 11/26/2011 9:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
Point taken! :-). Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 9:17 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot uses
facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to the PDML
and post to the PUG.
On 11/26/2011 22:17, P. J. Alling wrote:
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to
the PDML and post to the PUG.
Me too, Pete
ann
On 11/26/2011 9:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an
I've realized that one reason the PDML has helped me improve my photography is
not only feedback on my photos, but looking at other people's photos and
reading the feedback on them. It has exposed me to different styles of
photography, given me a feel what other people like, or dislike, and
On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take
criticism. And a related discussion
of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion.
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That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular
I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. If I think a PESO is
worthless, I say nothing. If I think it’s great, I’ll say so and if I
can, add a word or two about why. If i think a picture is worthwhile
and could be improved by cropping or color adjustments or whatever,
I’ll say that too.
I
There is an Ignatian(?) spiritual exercise where one is to either tell
the truth only at all times OR say only nice things at all times but
never at the same time. Which is why--I guess--the gurus or the truly
wise as they grow...well, wiser..become more silent.
Bong :-)
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