CheekyGeek wrote:
You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot at ISO 6400.
Just wanted to underline that one for next year's book.
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On 9/7/2010 3:29 PM, Miserere wrote:
On 4 September 2010 20:53, P. J. Alling wrote:
Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping method for film being
pioneered by AGFA that would bring allow film ISO's to exceed 204,800 with
acceptable results IIRC.
How's that project coming along?
They succeeded. The results are in the Smithsonian. Just to point
out, film photography is still one of our most popular studio art
courses.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Miserere wrote:
> On 4 September 2010 20:53, P. J. Alling wrote:
>> Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping me
> You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot at ISO 6400.
Just wanted to underline that one for next year's book.
: )
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On 4 September 2010 20:53, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping method for film being
> pioneered by AGFA that would bring allow film ISO's to exceed 204,800 with
> acceptable results IIRC.
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It is much like saying all lenses are sharpest at 2 stops from wide open.
Yes, but If you don't how the lens is optimized, as a general rule of
thumb it works better than most.
On 9/1/2010 6:03 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
One has to wonder how he came to that conclusion. Seems you would actua
Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping method for film
being pioneered by AGFA that would bring allow film ISO's to exceed
204,800 with acceptable results IIRC.
On 9/1/2010 11:16 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
It is kind of mind boggling. When I got my first SLR in the early
1960s High
My K7 is slightly less noisy than was my K20 at speeds of 800 and above. It
might be slightly more noisy in the shadows at 400, but not significantly.
Paul
On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:22 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm pretty happy with the K20D at ISO 2500, without preforming heroic post
> processing.
I'm pretty happy with the K20D at ISO 2500, without preforming heroic
post processing. The K-7 should handle ISO 1600 with no problems.
On 8/31/2010 1:07 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Thanks for the shots. When needed, I would push the K10D to 800. The
K7 should be at least that good, yes?
Oddly enough, I somehow missed that message of yours, Miserere.
Rant over. And it wasn't directed at you, Boris. Sorry that
your
message was the one I replied to.
Cheers,
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As to your rant. Very soon after starting reading you I realized it
wasn't specifically for me, so it's ok.
What the VPN screwed up the most for me was shots of beautifully illuminated
buildings or cityscapes against a dusk or nighttime sky. Sometimes diddling
with the white balance has helped, but usually it didn't.
Rick
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Miserere wrote:
> On 2 September 2010 11:43, Rick Womer
On Sep 2, 2010, at 15:51, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> The D-Li90 takes forever to charge, i.e., the light won't go out. I
> did take a few not fully charged shots of my dog:
>
> http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=view¤t=IMGP0023.jpg
>
Future charges won't take anywher
The D-Li90 takes forever to charge, i.e., the light won't go out. I
did take a few not fully charged shots of my dog:
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> As much as I enjoy this, I probably
From: "Dario Bonazza"
Rick Womer wrote:
> Mis,
> I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has
> a problem with VPN (vertical pattern noise), which often
> screwed up nocturnal landscape shots. Sometimes I
> could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
That was dubbed "the It
On 2 September 2010 11:43, Rick Womer wrote:
> Mis,
>
> I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has a problem with VPN
> (vertical pattern noise), which often screwed up nocturnal landscape shots.
> Sometimes I could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
>
> Rick
That's a w
Rick Womer wrote:
Mis,
I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has
a problem with VPN (vertical pattern noise), which often
screwed up nocturnal landscape shots. Sometimes I
could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
That was dubbed "the Italian flag syndrome" over her
:
> From: Miserere
> Subject: Re: K7 or Kx
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:28 PM
> On 1 September 2010 11:02, Boris
> Liberman
> wrote:
> >
> > Steve, if camera has highest ISO of 3200, it usually
> means tha
John Sessoms wrote:
I prefer to get exposure right in the camera.
That's always the right thing.
And when I did so at ISO 1600, my K10D just gave me unsatisfactory
performance.
Performance is the kingdom of relativity.
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2) The K10D IS NOT RUBBISH at ISO 1600! People say all the time that
the K10D is bad in low light, but never explain what this means. If by
"low light" you mean "not enough light to achieve correct exposure",
then yes, the K10D falls short when you underexpose and then try to
recov
As much as I enjoy this, I probably should 'fess up. A friend of a
friend had a K7 and kindly let me try it with my own SD card. I tired
exactly what Mis. mentioned, i.e., I took a few correctly exposed
shots at 1600, 3200, and 6400. I was more than satisfied in that I
probably won't try anythin
2010/9/2 Miserere :
>
> You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot at ISO 6400.
Mark =)
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On 9/2/2010 1:03 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
One has to wonder how he came to that conclusion. Seems you would
actually have to try all the cameras before relying on that.
I apologize if I sounded as stating the fact. I meant to say that if the
top sensitivity is /usually/ marketing enforced rubb
On 1 September 2010 11:02, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
> Steve, if camera has highest ISO of 3200, it usually means that it is
> unusable, but ISO 800 is pretty ok. So, if highest ISO is 12,800 (or even
> 102,400) it probably means that ISO 3200 (or 32,000) is usable. It is like
> fuel consumption fig
One has to wonder how he came to that conclusion. Seems you would actually
have to try all the cameras before relying on that.
Perhaps it would be better to try the camera in question before making that
broad of a generalization.
Changes in sensors and support firmware can have a big impact on
Sorry. The sentence should have read:
Interesting that Boris suggests that a good rule of thumb is two EV
down from the max ISO.
Oy.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Yes, I remember Tri-X at ISO 400. All I could afford as a 15 year old
> kid and I developed it all my
Yes, I remember Tri-X at ISO 400. All I could afford as a 15 year old
kid and I developed it all myself. Interesting that Boris suggest
that a good rule of thumb is EV down from the max ISO. So that puts
the K7 at 1600 and the Kx at 3200. I found an interesting article at
http://www.imaging-res
It is kind of mind boggling. When I got my first SLR in the early
1960s High Speed Ektachrome, at ASA 160, was a big step up in speed. :-)
On 9/1/2010 9:53 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I freely admit that I don't think I am really understanding the
implications of ISO 12,800. It's like a pe
On 9/1/2010 5:53 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I freely admit that I don't think I am really understanding the
implications of ISO 12,800. It's like a person being 20 ft. tall.
My mind has trouble associating that number with that property. I
noticed that one high end Nikon had a max sensitivit
I freely admit that I don't think I am really understanding the
implications of ISO 12,800. It's like a person being 20 ft. tall.
My mind has trouble associating that number with that property. I
noticed that one high end Nikon had a max sensitivity of 102,400.
That's like trying to grasp an f0.
Well said. Mark!
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 5:58 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>> I do like your comment "But K-x has a sensor second to none." I think
>> Canon and Nikon might contest that. Of course, it could be a better
>> sensor than the K7. I'm
2010/8/31 Steven Desjardins :
>
> I love the look on the hawk's face. "Really? A Pentax? The f'ing
> eagles get Nikons. Aren't those things for comorants?"
Mark =) I'd like to see a short version on a T-Shirt:
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On 8/31/2010 5:58 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I do like your comment "But K-x has a sensor second to none." I think
Canon and Nikon might contest that. Of course, it could be a better
sensor than the K7. I'm not one that too fussy about micro-artifacts
however.
It really depends on the cont
Here's another K-X example if you need low light capabilities. Pretty
much a straight import into LR3 - at ISO 12,800. The noise isn't
objectionable at normal viewing. (K-X, fa80-...@320mm,1/1...@f5.6)
http://www.studio1941.com/photos/content/IMGP0631_large.html
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On 8/31/2010 1:34 PM, B
Hello John,
I have both the K10 and K20 and the low light on the K10 is much
worse, as you have experienced. The K20 and K7 have basically the
same sensor so the low light performance between them is very
similar. There are a few who think the K7 is better and a few who
think the K20 is better.
I love the look on the hawk's face. "Really? A Pentax? The f'ing
eagles get Nikons. Aren't those things for comorants?"
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:33 PM, paul stenquist
wrote:
> On the other hand, if you plan to shoot in bad weather or if you work your
> cameras as hard as I do, you'll proba
From: Bruce Dayton
One big difference for me was that with the K20 and earlier I really had
to have good conditions (lighting, processing, etc) to make a high
ISO shot reasonable. For instance, when shooting weddings I could
take a couple of shots with the 50/1.4 lens close to wide open and no
f
Bruce, I like your point of view so much and I totally agree with you.
Steve, don't skip his excellent advice!
Dario
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One
I certainly hope so. Of course then I would have to figure out how to afford
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"Bob Sullivan" wrote:
>Bruce,
>You're evil...
>Maybe the K-5 will be K-X like??
>Regards, Bob S.
>
>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> For me
Bruce,
You're evil...
Maybe the K-5 will be K-X like??
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> For me, the K-x was
> really a game changer in thought process and fun. Prior to that,
> pretty much the old thought process all the way back into my film
> days.
>
> "I
One big difference for me was that with the K20 and earlier I really had
to have good conditions (lighting, processing, etc) to make a high
ISO shot reasonable. For instance, when shooting weddings I could
take a couple of shots with the 50/1.4 lens close to wide open and no
flash, then process to
Make that "HDR might also do that it they ever get it right."
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Thanks for the shots. When needed, I would push the K10D to 800. The
> K7 should be at least that good, yes? I am intrigued by Bruce's
> comment. We are now reaching the s
Thanks for the shots. When needed, I would push the K10D to 800. The
K7 should be at least that good, yes? I am intrigued by Bruce's
comment. We are now reaching the stage where digital will begin to
have capabilities that will change the way people shoot. HDR might
also that it they ever get i
Larry Colen wrote:
Dario,
Do you have some inside information?
Sorry, no.
Dario
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The K7 has quite a little cult following, basically with performance about two
years ahead of its time for the price. I wonder if it'll be one of those items
that maintains its cult status, or if it'll be eclipsed by the next new thing.
If Pentax can learn from what they've gotten right on the kx
On the other hand, if you plan to shoot in bad weather or if you work your
cameras as hard as I do, you'll probably want the K7. While the K7 does begin
to show some noise in exposures at ISOs above 400, the noise doesn't ramp up
all that much at levels above 400. My photo for the Pentax show in
Dario,
Do you have some inside information?
"Dario Bonazza" wrote:
>Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>>I thought of that, but I'd like to buy a new body. KEH has two K7 now
>> for $789 and $819 which is not much of a savings, and I don't think
>> I'd buy one off ebay, etc.
>>
>> I do like your comme
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Now that I have a K-x, my shooting techniques and style s have been changing
> due too the new capability. . . . Get the K-x because it lets you try things
> you haven't done before.
+1
It isn't JUST the sensor. It is what you DO with th
Funny thing about the low light question...before I got a K-x, I didn't shoot
low light much without a tripod but that was really because my K20 and earlier
cameras couldn't shoot low light. Now that I have a K-x, my shooting
techniques and style s have been changing due too the new capability.
The problem is that I'm not spending $1600 on a camera. The new Kr
will be about the same price as the current K7, but I suspect it will
be a better version of the Kx. That's really good but it probably
won't have K7 features. I see the K7 as my "shoot the race" body with
the FA135 and the E-P1
Steven Desjardins wrote:
I thought of that, but I'd like to buy a new body. KEH has two K7 now
for $789 and $819 which is not much of a savings, and I don't think
I'd buy one off ebay, etc.
I do like your comment "But K-x has a sensor second to none." I think
Canon and Nikon might contest tha
selling their K7's and K-x's (and
> other, older bodies) in order to upgrade. At this moment, you may find an
> excellent specimen of K7 or K-x for more than a reasonable price.
>
> Personally, having seen briefly K-x in Chicago I should say that I have only
> one major erg
On 8/31/2010 12:18 PM, eckinator wrote:
2010/8/31 Boris Liberman:
I'm keepin' mine...
So you've come off the fence then?
Well, no. I am on the fence still... There are different ways to sit on
the fence, you know ;-). E.g. one can bring a comfortable chair, attach
it firmly and sit on it w
2010/8/31 Boris Liberman :
> I'm keepin' mine...
So you've come off the fence then?
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On 8/31/2010 12:06 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 30 August 2010 02:18, Boris Liberman wrote:
There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
announced, there'll be a lot of people selling their K7's and K-x's...
Yeah, and my K10D. Any takers??? :-D
One th
I was at WallyWorld today and saw Pop Photo for the first time in
ages. Big Ol' K7 on the cover. They extolled the virtues of the K7
and the DA 55-300 as a serious but affordable nature kit. They like
the Kx two lens kit as well, but the K7 with a Sigma 10-20 made the
cover as a "cityscape/land
M,
I've got some spray paint cans, we can make any color you want. :-)
Regards, Bob S.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Miserere wrote:
> On 30 August 2010 02:18, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
>> announced, there'll be a lot of p
On 30 August 2010 02:18, Boris Liberman wrote:
> There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
> announced, there'll be a lot of people selling their K7's and K-x's...
Yeah, and my K10D. Any takers??? :-D
One thing you didn't mention about the K-7: It only comes in
bo
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:12 , P N Stenquist wrote:
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:16 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Robinson
wrote:
And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing
is
coming back on anything other than fla
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:16 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Robinson
wrote:
And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing is
coming back on anything other than flagship model.
Weather sealing was one reason I persona
2010/8/30 CheekyGeek :
>
>> And weather sealing.
>
> I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing is
> coming back on anything other than flagship model.
As long as they keep it on one model I'll be happy. It is why I chose
Pentax in the first place.
Cheers
Ecke
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing is
coming back on anything other than flagship model.
Weather sealing was one reason I personally liked the K200D and I'm
sorry it is gone on the K-
On Aug 29, 2010, at 21:15, P N Stenquist wrote:
>
> On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:
>>
>> Frankly, I don't think you could ever regret getting a K-x. IF the K-r
>> is indeed an upgrade then cross that bridge when you come to it. The
>> K7 I would consider only if having the two di
e
>thinking about the K7 as the "serious work" camera, like a motorcycle race.
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There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
announced, there'll be a lot of people selling their K7's and K-x's (and
other, older bodies) in order to upgrade. At this moment, you may find
an excellent specimen of K7 or K-x for more than a reasonable pric
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Good question, with only opinions for answers. First off you have to ask
yourself what the primary use of this camera will be. Any professional use or
strictly amateur. The K-x is extremely well speced and is a b
On Aug 29, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> Geez, the Leica thread turned into an "everybody sucks" thread.
> Here's a photographic opinion question for the combined wisdom of the
> list.
>
> OK, so the last time I saved up money I ended up buying an E-P1 and a
> Lumix 20mm 1.7. Com
Good question, with only opinions for answers. First off you have to ask
yourself what the primary use of this camera will be. Any professional use or
strictly amateur. The K-x is extremely well speced and is a bargain. It is
very small and light and handles well. It is also tops when it co
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Gee, I'll have to go back and read that Leica thread now. However, it
is my considered opinion before reading it that a good number o
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:
Gee, I'll have to go back and read that Leica thread now. However, it
is my considered opinion before reading it that a good number of list
members need to up their intake of fibre.
: )
My thoughts on YOUR question...
I went from a K200D to a K-x
Gee, I'll have to go back and read that Leica thread now. However, it
is my considered opinion before reading it that a good number of list
members need to up their intake of fibre.
: )
My thoughts on YOUR question...
I went from a K200D to a K-x. Honestly, if I had to choose between a
K7 and a K
Geez, the Leica thread turned into an "everybody sucks" thread.
Here's a photographic opinion question for the combined wisdom of the
list.
OK, so the last time I saved up money I ended up buying an E-P1 and a
Lumix 20mm 1.7. Combined with the macro 50 it's my walk around Disney
World, etc., kit.
same thing for them all, look for an exif record called 'shutter count'
cheers
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K-7 to be precise :)
Oh, and remember to upgrade your SD cards capacity: HD video eats so
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That appears to be more intelligent guesswork than a spec leak.
There's no specs on sensor/shutter or anything purely internal.
Offhand I'd say it's entirely derived from the already-leaked pictures
and 1-2 more (a rear picture and a shot with the 'WR' Kit lens he's
claiming).
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On Tue, Apr
Except the unofficial leak of specs @ RiceHigh's Pentax Blog:
http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/04/pentax-k-7-unofficially-announced.html
.t
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Announcement is scheduled for May 20th or 21st. No new leaks have been reported.
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Announcement is scheduled for May 20th or 21st. No new leaks have been reported.
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> Any more news on the new body and does anyone know the release date...Thanks
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