John -
I agree with Bob --
soften it up some, if you can without making it look like a totally
doctored piece.
OTOH - if you shoot something you are not pleased with yourself (i.e.,
if you have to ask someone
else how good it is) then you might as well discard it. :-)
ann
Bob W wrote:
Th
> It's interesting that the response from a photography group like this
> would be just about the opposite of the responses I got from
> non-photographers.
that's to be expected. With all due respect to flower shots, pretty much
anybody with a modicum of photographic expertise could go out and
From: "John Celio"
Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
I selected all the green (except the green petals/leaves/whatever
immediately around the flower) and threw some Lens Blur on it:
http://www.neovenator.com/g
> You know, sometimes it's best to recognise when you're
> flogging a dead horse.
I appreciate your advice, but I have actually sold this photo on items
from my CafePress store, so there are people out there who like it as it
is. I just wanted to find out what fellow photographers thought, rather
mix of the blur layer.
Regards, Anthony
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Celio
> Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 5:35 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO: A Question of Bokeh - two edits
>
>
Wat Bob said.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message -
From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: PESO: A Question of Bokeh - two edits
Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/ma
On Dec 5, 2008, at 0:35, John Celio wrote:
Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
I selected all the green (except the green petals/leaves/whatever
immediately around the flower) and threw some Lens Blur on it:
h
The first fix looks more like what I'd expect a lens with good OOF
characteristics to produce. The second fix has some holga/lensbaby
characteristics, i.e. cheap plastic lens look. Either is preferable to
the original though I like the non bee point of view, simply because the
bee's POV seems
John,
The background on the revision is now quite acceptable.
Amazing what you can fix in photoshop!
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:35 AM, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
> http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
I selected all the green (except the green petals/leaves/whatever
immediately around the flower) and threw some Lens Blur on it:
http://www.neov
I like the one next in line with the radial blurring.
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
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Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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>>> "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/4/2008 6:40 PM >>>
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jo
Also..what Bob/Boris said. For me, the OOF stem makes it virtually
irretrievable.
Jack
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: A Question of Bokeh - two edits
> To: "Pentax-
I definitely prefer the first edit over the original but, as others have
mentioned, the green is a bit vivid.
Without spending too much more time on the image, it might be worth
trying to make the background more subtle.
I also like the second edit more than the original.
Cheers
Brian
+++
Bob W wrote:
The first is an improvement, but the picture is still rather sudden. I think
the brightness of the green overwhelms everything else.
You know, sometimes it's best to recognise when you're flogging a dead
horse. Part of your workflow should be deciding which photos are worth
spendi
>
> Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
> http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
>
> I selected all the green (except the green petals/leaves/whatever
> immediately around the flower) and threw some Lens Blur on it:
> http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/
In a message dated 12/4/2008 10:35:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
I selected all the green (except the green petals/leaves/whatever
immediately ar
In a message dated 12/4/2008 12:15:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to
Refresh your eye-gouging memory with the original photo here:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
I selected all the green (except the green petals/leaves/whatever
immediately around the flower) and threw some Lens Blur on it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_i
John, I am among the 30% population.
John Celio wrote:
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to the overall photo.
30% say it detracts
From: John Celio
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just
can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to the
overall photo.
30% say it detracts.
5% have no opinion either way.
5% ha
The flower itself is well photographed but the background felt like
someone
was scratching my eyeballs.
"...a bit jarring."
"...felt like someone was scratching out my eyeballs."
I wonder if we're having a similar experience?
Heh heh heh heh! I sometimes agree with you guys, and sometimes
John,
The sharp flower makes a good first impression,
but softens as you move away from the central pedals.
And the near pedals are way out of focus :-(
The stem and background focus are a distraction.
The bokeh is positively strident and I doubt you'll tame it with
digital post processing.
I'd rem
When I saw this bokeh, I immediately gouged my eyes out. Bob is welcome to them
and I'll include my new eye glasses. *-]
Jack
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: A Question
John Celio wrote:
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
30% say it detracts.
Put me in this camp, John. If the bokeh was smoother, it wouldn't
bother me. But the "hard edges" in i
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
> what to think of it:
> http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
>
> 60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to the overall photo
Most Zeiss lenses however tend to somewhat hard-edged bokeh. Not
nearly as bad as John's Sigma, but definitely not smooth with a busy
background.
This is a shot where the very hard bokeh works for me.
-Adam
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some of my Zeiss lense
Ditto what Bob said. Nice job on the flower. Cheers, Christine
- Original Message -
From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'"
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: PESO: A Question of Bokeh
The flower
Some of my Zeiss lenses had the smoothest bokeh I've ever seen. I don't
think any of them had bad bokeh.
> Add me to the 60%. But I like non-smooth bokeh (I'm a Zeiss guy, not a
> Leica guy). The Bokeh here makes the flower POP.
>
> -Adam
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, John Celio
> <[EMAI
The flower is very sharp, the bokeh is very disturbing, my Vivitar S!
Solid Cat 600mm delivers better bokeh...
John Celio wrote:
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
60% of people ask
Add me to the 60%. But I like non-smooth bokeh (I'm a Zeiss guy, not a
Leica guy). The Bokeh here makes the flower POP.
-Adam
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
> what to think of it:
> http
Yes, absolutely I'd soften the bokeh! Might, also, take some of the bottom, but
leaving no doubt that the blossom is above center.
Jack
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: A Question of Bo
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The flower itself is well photographed but the background felt like someone
> was scratching my eyeballs.
"...a bit jarring."
"...felt like someone was scratching out my eyeballs."
I wonder if we're having a similar experience?
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
> what to think of it:
> http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
>
> 60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to the overall photo
On Dec 4, 2008, at 14:15, John Celio wrote:
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to the overall
photo.
30% say it detracts.
5% hav
The flower itself is well photographed but the background felt like someone
was scratching my eyeballs.
> I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
> what to think of it:
> http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
>
> 60% of people asked say the out-of
I've been asking around about this photo, because I just can't decide
what to think of it:
http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=888
60% of people asked say the out-of-focus area adds to the overall photo.
30% say it detracts.
5% have no opinion either way.
5% hate flower photos.
I
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