on 2012-10-21 3:45 Bob W wrote
But next year you go on holiday to Sandy Bay, Jamaica, and the year after
that to Sandy Bay, Devon.
You now have 3 different places all called Sandy Bay, each of them belongs
in a different hierarchy. What should you do about it?
for the most part i wouldn't
How is what you are suggesting not using keywords for places?
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:49 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
on 2012-10-21 3:45 Bob W wrote
But next year you go on holiday to Sandy Bay, Jamaica, and the year after
that to Sandy Bay, Devon.
You now have 3 different
Lightroom will differ between identical keywords in different contexts. You can
see this when looking at the panel for recently applied keywords, for example.
Those beaches, for example, will show up as:
Jamaica - Sandy Bay
Devon - Sandy Bay
And so on.
I can see your reason to worry, but in
We both know that any software may reach its expiry date before we expect it
to.
If you don't do so already, you should definately look into how to make LR
write your keywords into the file system as well as in the database, so that
you get the redundancy you argue for. Most other archiving
I don't know that any particular method is objectively better for
everyone. Each person needs to do what works in their own situtation.
When several people need to share a common structure, things become
more difficult.
gs
George Sinos
gsi...@gmail.com
www.georgesphotos.net
Reply interspersed.
On 10/22/2012 9:20 AM, AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
We both know that any software may reach its expiry date before we
expect it to.
Oh, certainly.
If you don't do so already, you should definately look into how to
make LR write your keywords into the file system as
On 10/22/2012 9:20 AM, AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
We both know that any software may reach its expiry date before we expect it to.
...
Oh, and to get things straight - I don't pretend that my system is
perfect and everyone should adopt it. I merely presented it as one of
the great many
In my humble opinion it is not a good idea in the long run to use descriptive
terms like family album in folder names. That's what keywords are for in the
first place. I think it better to use the folder names to establish chronology
only.
Hierarchical keywords is a blessing. :-)
Jostein
Boris
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of AlunFoto -
Jostein Øksne
In my humble opinion it is not a good idea in the long run to use
descriptive terms like family album in folder names. That's what
keywords are for in the first place. I think it better to use the
folder names
There isn't a problem because if you can't remember that you went to
Sandy Beach in three different places, no amount of organization is
going to help. You assign to the appropriate Sandy Beach keyword as
needed. The tags are hierarchical, so it's not like you will get
confused about which one
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Parsons
There isn't a problem because if you can't remember that you went to
Sandy Beach in three different places, no amount of organization is
going to help. You assign to the appropriate Sandy Beach keyword as
needed. The
That's not how tags work in LR. They are most definitely hierarchical
and Sandy Beach in Jamaica is different than Sandy Beach in Gibraltar.
If you are assigning keywords at import, then you can run into
problems, but that is the only time that the same keyword name is an
issue.
You should know
Two points, Jostein:
1. I'd like to be able to backup my photos to separate external HDDs and
I'd like to backup logical units. To that end, Family Album and/or
International Travel are both good candidates.
2. I don't want to bet my life on LR or Adobe. Thus minimal basic
hierarchy is in
Chiming in with a bit (*) of delay...
I see there were a storage strategy discussion here. I should point out
the obvious - there is no reason of not using very helpful features of
LR such as keywords and there is no sense in overdoing it either.
Namely, if you try to come up with all
on 2012-09-26 19:46 Tim Bray wrote
I have a folder named “Current” on my small fast SSD boot disk. I
have a hierarchy /-MM on a big slow old-fashioned disk drive.
i'm surprised Tim, because i long ago (before i joined PDML) noticed how your
blog's permalinks are organized:
on 2012-09-26 13:36 John Sessoms wrote
Someone mentioned the tyranny of physical hierarchies, which I think
gets it just backwards. The physical hierarchies allow me to be the boss
over the software. My photos are where I want them to be; where I told
the computer to put them.
as has been
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt
I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm just
horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a procrastination thing, I
guess.
Thankfully, I don't have many older photos, so it won't be a
Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording hierarchical
folders.
From: Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt
I'll be sure to keep in mind the keyword stuff. But, sadly, I'm just
horrible about doing stuff like that -- it's a
I just don't think there's any point to maintaining hierarchical
folders beyond what Lr does for you itself.
If you need to find the original files, locate the image(s) in Lr,
right-click and select Show in Finder. Bingo!
I basically keyword all shots using something like Bob's
Who/What/Where
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a pretty clunky naming convention, but it helps me to identify which
camera I shot with (my K-x is just the straight camera-assigned number, my
K20D as WJG prepended to the camera file name, and the K100D photos I can
Not having a folder structure sounds like a tempting idea, but in the
rapid changing world of technology it can lead to a huge mess.
I like Lightroom and take advantage of it's organizational features,
but my fundamental organization is still contained in the folder
structure, file naming and
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the advice, Larry!
I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD naming
convention,
See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
George Sinos
Not having a folder structure sounds like a tempting idea, but in the
rapid changing world of technology it can lead to a huge mess.
I like Lightroom and take advantage of it's organizational features,
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Sessoms
Y'all act as if you have to choose between key wording hierarchical
folders.
Not at all - people can do both if they want to. John of Occam wouldn't
though, and nor do I.
B
From: Bob W
From:
My current inclination is to go ahead and stick with both, as there are
times when I like to access my images with applications other than
Lightroom (Picasa, IrfanView, etc.) simply because they perform some
tasks a little more handily than LR appears to (at least at first
blush): Cropping,
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt
My current inclination is to go ahead and stick with both, as there are
times when I like to access my images with applications other than
Lightroom (Picasa, IrfanView, etc.) simply because they perform some
tasks
On 9/26/2012 2:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt
My current inclination is to go ahead and stick with both, as there are
times when I like to access my images with applications other than
Lightroom (Picasa, IrfanView, etc.) simply
From: David J Brooks
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the advice, Larry!
I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD naming
convention,
See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
subfolders of NEF and JPG.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:36 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
It's LightRoom that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
be organized by keywords. Keyword the hell out of everything, but leave
the folder structure the way that makes sense to you. That way, when
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Sessoms
Someone mentioned the tyranny of physical hierarchies, which I think
gets it just backwards.
that would be me.
The physical hierarchies allow me to be the
boss over the software. My photos are where
On Sep 26, 2012, at 3:36 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: David J Brooks
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the advice, Larry!
I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD naming
convention,
See that was my problem. My file
From: Matthew Hunt
It's LightRoom that's being tyrannical with its demand that everything
be organized by keywords. Keyword the hell out of everything, but leave
the folder structure the way that makes sense to you. That way, when
LightRoom crashes burns, you'll still know where your photos
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
for nefs to be lodaed, not realizing until just recently, that that
was the folder
If you presume that you'll always be using LR, and that the catalog
structure will be able to be read by any future software that you may
end up using, then it's true that you don't need to organize on disk.
I prefer to future proof and organize files on the disk.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:50
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I was responding to the suggestion that it is wrong-headed to insist on
organizing files rather than just relying on LightRoom's keywording.
But you turned that into an attack on the product: It's LightRoom
that's being
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
See that was my problem. My file would be 9-8-12-wedding and
subfolders of NEF and JPG. When i imported the folder i would juts ask
for nefs to be
O boy O boy, a chance to talk about storage strategies. Thanks to
those who outlined theirs, there was some thought-provoking stuff in
there. Here’s mine.
I have a folder named “Current” on my small fast SSD boot disk. I
have a hierarchy /-MM on a big slow old-fashioned disk drive.
I
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
Any suggestions, tips, and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Don't doi what i did and ignore things like key words and other such
things. Its making life a tad difficult with my older photos:-)
Its a great program and i
On 9/25/2012 5:40 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
Don't doi what i did and ignore things like key words and other such
things. Its making life a tad difficult with my older photos:-)
Its a great program and i find a lot of stuff on youtube, but Godders
is my go to guy:-)
Dave
Thanks, Dave.
I'll be
Also i made some file and subfile naming mistakes which are now
haunting me, since i deleted the hard drive files but are backed up. I
have a number of files in LR that are just called NEF, not thinking to
give them unique names, that i cannot retrieve as i don't know which
ones re which.
Dave
Congratulations.
See if you can pick up an inexpensive used copy of Scott Kelby's LR book. His
humor gets a little tiresome at times, but it's a good basic primer.
People who only work in lightroom like to let its database keep track of
everything. I disagree with that approach because
If you are willing to spend a little ($25, I think) I recommend signing up at
lynda.com for a month of access to their tutorials. They have a pretty good
series of videos, that go over just about everything LR, soup to nuts. You
could probably cobble together the same info by surfing adobe
Thanks for the advice, Larry!
I've always imported my RAW files into directories with a -MM-DD
naming convention, and can usually find what I'm looking for fairly
quickly by narrowing down the date. Of course, it helps that the
majority of my shots are nature photography, or are usually
Thank you, Christine.
I've watched a few of the lynda.com already via Adobe's web site and
found them pretty informative, so I'll look into joining up for a month,
or so.
So far, I do like Lightroom quite a bit as it has a lot of the functions
I used in both Picasa and IrfanView (with old
Walt, keywording can be a pain for those who don't have inclinations toward
obsessive compulsive behavior. But one of the beauties of LR is that you can
keyword on import. So you have 100 or 500 or 1000 images of a biker rally. On
import, assign keywords to those images, something creative like
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