Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-22 Thread Jeffery Smith
But I miss those beautiful red southern California sunsets that were compliments of tetraethyl lead in the atmosphere. Jeffery >> > A lot of it is very new. Gasoline engines have changed dramatically in the > last couple of years. A lot of that came with the perfecting of direct > injection t

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-22 Thread paul stenquist
On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Lots of business "mistakes" need to be made to comply with > California's over-regulation of everything. It's California regulation that has virtually eliminated diesel passenger cars from the U.S. market. > > Dan M > > >> You should

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-22 Thread paul stenquist
On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:43 PM, mike wilson wrote: > P N Stenquist wrote: >> On Sep 20, 2010, at 3:34 PM, John Francis wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:53:24PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: >>> On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: > P N Stenquist wrote: > >

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-22 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Lots of business "mistakes" need to be made to comply with California's over-regulation of everything. Dan M > You should get that information to Honda, asap.  Their present leasing of > 800 hydrogen fuel-cell powered cars in California is obviously a > business-busting mistake. -- PDML Pentax

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-22 Thread mike wilson
Adam Maas wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:11 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: Oh yes there are! Not many, admittedly. But at the last count there were over 40 in California. Heck, you've even got two in Illinois - one in Chicago (for the CTA buses), and a publicly-accessible one in Des Plaines.

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-22 Thread mike wilson
P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 20, 2010, at 3:34 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:53:24PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised to lea

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-21 13:38 , Ken Waller wrote: From: "steve harley" but he's still a very sharp and in-the-moment speaker Especially when he's on the teleprompter. i don't know about that, i was thinking of when he isn't on the teleprompter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://p

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread P. J. Alling
I have plenty of problems with GWB. However history shows that he wasn't even close to the main culprit here. On 9/21/2010 4:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: "P. J. Alling" You got to get your head out of your Ideological ass. I will if you will. -- "His lack of education is more than

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: "P. J. Alling" You got to get your head out of your Ideological ass. I will if you will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "steve harley" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer On 2010-09-20 18:12 , William Robb wrote: -- Fr

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/21/2010 11:21 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: "William Robb" From: "steve harley" > > the point is that Clinton's economic policies were bad enough that i gag > when someone writes "he's the best president you've had ..." > You should try living somewhere other than where you are for a wh

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Brewer Has anyone brought Hitler into this thread yet? Let me know, so we can get on to whining about the K-5. Whining about the K-5 already has its own thread, and besides would be off topic for an OT thread. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: "William Robb" From: "steve harley" > > the point is that Clinton's economic policies were bad enough that i gag > when someone writes "he's the best president you've had ..." > You should try living somewhere other than where you are for a while. You will find that often an outsider's pe

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: steve harley On 2010-09-20 18:12 , William Robb wrote: A lot of the recession was caused by people who just didn't think things > through when they were taking out those subprime mortgages. leaving aside the sociodynamics of mortgage hucksterism, and the financial education that almost

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread paul stenquist
Just an FYI: Ken Waller was a Ford engineer and served as an expert witness in many of those cases. Paul On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: "Ken Waller" >> From: "Jeffery Smith" >> >>> > At least it has been since the Ford Pinto was discontinued. ;-) >> >> And the Pinto

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: "Ken Waller" From: "Jeffery Smith" > At least it has been since the Ford Pinto was discontinued. ;-) And the Pinto is hit from the rear without the gas cap on Didn't matter whether the cap was on or off. The design of how the filler neck connected to the gas tank was vulnerable

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: "William Robb" Not to mention that selling off your industrial might to China was probably not the smartest thing to do in the long haul, though I'm certain that the short term gains were nice for your corporate masters. Not something you can entirely blame on Bush the younger for all his

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-21 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-21 2:38, Bob W wrote: Most people don't seem to remember the Graham-Leach- Bliley Act Really? Yeah, really. It was a /big/ deal when the US Congress debated it, then passed it, in 1999. It seems, however, to have passed from the minds of the so-called experts. I guess ten year

RE: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Bob W
> Most people don't seem to remember the Graham-Leach- > Bliley Act Really? > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > Behalf Of Doug Franklin > Sent: 21 September 2010 00:34 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread William Robb
-- From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer Here's a quote you should ponder. "When he legislature decides what is bought and sold, the first thing bought and sold is the legi

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/21/2010 12:25 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: On 21 September 2010 11:52, steve harley wrote: it is the bankers -- the professionals at risk management -- who didn't evaluate the risk properly ... they sold riskier and riskier loans as they invented cleverer ways to ignore the risk; Oh, but tha

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Anthony Farr
On 21 September 2010 11:52, steve harley wrote: > it is the bankers -- the > professionals at risk management -- who didn't evaluate the risk properly > ... they sold riskier and riskier loans as they invented cleverer ways to > ignore the risk; > Oh, but that was the whole appeal of the sub-prim

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > Has anyone brought Hitler into this thread yet? "And now it's... Springtime for Hitler and Germany Deutschland is happy and gay! We're marching to a faster pace Look out, here comes the master race! Springtime for Hitler and Germany Rhinelan

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:56 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > bitch, bitch, bitch , bitch, bitch! Well done! cheers, frank ;-) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCR

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Doug Brewer
Has anyone brought Hitler into this thread yet? Let me know, so we can get on to whining about the K-5. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-20 20:00 , William Robb wrote: -- From: "steve harley" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer the point is that Clinton's economic policies were bad enough that i gag when someone writes

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread paul stenquist
bitch, bitch, bitch , bitch, bitch! On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:08 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P. J. Alling > wrote: > >> Probably never will be. Hydrogen is a b***h to handle. Just ask NASA. > > I think we can say "bitch" on this list. > > cheers, > frank > >

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2010-09-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Steve, Those last two links are a nice summary of the idiocy of it all. Those who benefit from the legislation have been bamboozled into opposing it. Go figure. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:04 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2010-09-20 01:33 , eckinator wrote: >> >> 2010/9/20 P. J. All

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread William Robb
-- From: "steve harley" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer the point is that Clinton's economic policies were bad enough that i gag when someone writes "he's the best president you'

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Probably never will be.  Hydrogen is a b***h to handle.  Just ask NASA. I think we can say "bitch" on this list. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.ne

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-20 18:12 , William Robb wrote: -- From: "steve harley" i blame Clinton for the latest recession; it was he who scuttled Glass-Steagal He was also the last President you've had who could actually speak knowledgably without a teleprompt

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-20 18:41 , John Sessoms wrote: From: steve harley On 2010-09-20 12:09 , Bob W wrote: > Clinton was easily the best president you guys have had, certainly during my > lifetime. It's a pity Hillary lost out to Obama. i blame Clinton for the latest recession; it was he who scuttled Gla

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: steve harley On 2010-09-20 12:09 , Bob W wrote: > Clinton was easily the best president you guys have had, certainly during my > lifetime. It's a pity Hillary lost out to Obama. i blame Clinton for the latest recession; it was he who scuttled Glass-Steagal Equal blame should accrue to S

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Ken Waller
How's that hope and change working for you all? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Jeffery Smith" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer At least it has been since the Ford Pinto was discontinued. ;-) And the Pinto is hit from the re

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread William Robb
-- From: "steve harley" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer On 2010-09-20 12:09 , Bob W wrote: Clinton was easily the best president you guys have had, certainly during my lifetime. It's a pity Hill

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread William Robb
-- From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer From: "William Robb" From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer > From: P N Ste

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-20 19:08, steve harley wrote: i blame Clinton for the latest recession; it was he who scuttled Glass-Steagal Amen, brother. Most people don't seem to remember the Graham-Leach-Bliley Act, which is the one that in 1999 repealed a crucial part of Glass-Steagal, the separations betw

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-20 12:09 , Bob W wrote: Clinton was easily the best president you guys have had, certainly during my lifetime. It's a pity Hillary lost out to Obama. i blame Clinton for the latest recession; it was he who scuttled Glass-Steagal -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http:

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread steve harley
On 2010-09-20 01:33 , eckinator wrote: 2010/9/20 P. J. Alling: Voters were promised that they would get more health care for less money. here's a view of that promise (understanding that the final bill was the result of Democrats cutting under pressure many of Obama's original ideas)

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes, I fondly remember the Pinto, the jokes we told. On 9/20/2010 6:20 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: At least it has been since the Ford Pinto was discontinued. ;-) Jeffery On Sep 20, 2010, at 5:16 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Yet the incidence of exploding fuel tanks in even catastrophic automobile

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Jeffery Smith
At least it has been since the Ford Pinto was discontinued. ;-) Jeffery On Sep 20, 2010, at 5:16 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Yet the incidence of exploding fuel tanks in even catastrophic automobile > accidents, Hollywood not withstanding, is near zero. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pd

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm not worried about hydrogen being explosive. Gasoline is more than explosive enough. Yet the incidence of exploding fuel tanks in even catastrophic automobile accidents, Hollywood not withstanding, is near zero. A fuel system designed for H2 could possibly be safer in a crash than Gasoli

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/20/2010 5:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:11 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: Oh yes there are! Not many, admittedly. But at the last count there were over 40 in California. Heck, you've even got two in Illinois - one in Chicago (for the CTA buses), and a publicly-accessible o

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Jeffery Smith
And I think hydrogen has a tendency to implode rather than explode (unless you burn it very fast, with liquid oxygen). Jeffery On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > On 9/20/2010 1:53 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> >>> P N Stenquist w

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:11 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: >> Oh yes there are! >> >> Not many, admittedly. >> But at the last count there were over 40 in California. >> Heck, you've even got two in Illinois - one in Chicago (for the CTA >> buses), >> and a publicly-accessible one in Des Plaines. >> >

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2010-09-20 Thread eckinator
2010/9/20 John Sessoms : > > Keep in mind that what finally passed is a crippled plan meant for the > benefit of the insurance industry rather than for the benefit of the people. would you happen to know a link to a qualified analysis, please? thanks ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pd

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2010-09-20 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 20, 2010, at 3:34 PM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:53:24PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised to learn who the laggards are

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread mike wilson
P. J. Alling wrote: On 9/20/2010 1:53 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised to learn who the laggards are. Easy. Anyone designing a propulsive system th

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:53:24PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: > > > P N Stenquist wrote: > > > >> I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be > >> surprised to learn who the laggards are. > > > > Easy. Anyone designi

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/20/2010 1:53 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised to learn who the laggards are. Easy. Anyone designing a propulsive system that has anything other t

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: eckinator 2010/9/20 P. J. Alling : > > ?Voters were promised that they would get more health care for less money. > ?In reality those who already have insurance will be getting less health > care for more money and those without insurance will be /required/ to /buy/ > it or face penalties

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2010-09-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Hillary isn't just a politician, she is positively dishonest and belongs in jail. A key document/file in the Whitewater scandal went missing. (Remember that's the crooked Real Estate deal Hillary cooked up when she figured out Bill was gonna be a pennyless ex-governor.) The document/file went mis

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/20/2010 5:17 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/9/20 P. J. Alling: You are wrong about that. The free plan already existed, it's called Medicaid. Beyond that there is no free in new system. Insurance is already a highly regulated industry. Since I live there and have a fairly intimate knowledg

RE: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Bob W
> John, > You are absolutely right on the hijacked debate and tea party numb-nuts. > I watched ex-president Clinton give a lucid accounting of the health care > problem on Sunday TV. The sound bite went something like...'The US > spends 17% of GDP on Health Care. Other major nations spend 10%. >

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread paul stenquist
On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, mike wilson wrote: > P N Stenquist wrote: > >> I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised >> to learn who the laggards are. > > Easy. Anyone designing a propulsive system that has anything other than neat > hydrogen in its fuel t

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jeffery, Like and 'Tricky Dick' don't belong in the same sentence! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: > I liked Richard Nixon more as a pre-president than as a president or > post-president. > > Jeffery > > > On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:17 AM, eckinator wrote: > >

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread mike wilson
P N Stenquist wrote: I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised to learn who the laggards are. Easy. Anyone designing a propulsive system that has anything other than neat hydrogen in its fuel tank. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pd

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2010-09-20 Thread Jeffery Smith
I liked Richard Nixon more as a pre-president than as a president or post-president. Jeffery On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:17 AM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/9/20 Bob Sullivan : >> >> (I like 'Slick Willy' more as an ex-president than when he was in office.) > > many of them do great things after their

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2010-09-20 Thread eckinator
2010/9/20 Bob Sullivan : > > (I like 'Slick Willy' more as an ex-president than when he was in office.) many of them do great things after their presidency. think Jimmy Carter for example. perhaps the term should be shortened to have a greater output =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml

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2010-09-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
. The difference is the profits of the insurers.' (I like 'Slick Willy' more as an ex-president than when he was in office.) Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:10 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: "William Robb" >> >> From: "John Sessoms" >> Su

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 20, 2010, at 8:10 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: "William Robb" From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer > From: P N Stenquist >> Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread John Sessoms
From: "William Robb" From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer > From: P N Stenquist >> Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that's the >> truth. > > Not always. > > Co

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2010-09-20 Thread eckinator
2010/9/20 P. J. Alling : > > You are wrong about that.  The free plan already existed,  it's called > Medicaid.  Beyond that there is no free in new system.  Insurance is already > a highly regulated industry.  Since I live there and have a fairly intimate > knowledge of it I'll cite Connecticut as

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/20/2010 3:33 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/9/20 P. J. Alling: Voters were promised that they would get more health care for less money. In reality those who already have insurance will be getting less health care for more money and those without insurance will be /required/ to /buy/ it or

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-20 Thread eckinator
2010/9/20 P. J. Alling : > >  Voters were promised that they would get more health care for less money. >  In reality those who already have insurance will be getting less health > care for more money and those without insurance will be /required/ to /buy/ > it or face penalties collected by the IR

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-19 Thread P. J. Alling
S. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer From: P N Stenquist Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that'

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
program. Some can be confused into opposing it, but that can't continue indefinitely. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "John Sessoms" > Subject: Re: OT: Civil Righ

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-19 Thread William Robb
-- From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer From: P N Stenquist Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that's the truth. Not always. Consider also why voter

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2010-09-19 Thread John Sessoms
From: P N Stenquist Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that's the truth. Not always. Consider also why voter turnouts are so frequently low. There are other ways to rig an election besides stealing a ballot box. Every election in this and the last century was "decid

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread paul stenquist
nal Message - From: "P N Stenquist" > > Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer > > >> >> On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, William Robb wrote: >> >>> >>> ------------

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:07 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, William

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2010-09-18 Thread Ken Waller
And remember FORD DIDN'T TAKE THE MONEY !; + ) Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "P N Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Wil

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:07 PM, P N Stenquist > wrote: On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "P N Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmaske

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:07 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, William Robb wrote: > >> >> -- >> From: "P N Stenquist" >> Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as I

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "P N Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer Both of those actions helped prevent the country, and the city in which I live, from g

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread P. J. Alling
At the same time he distroyed automobile dealerships and banks that didn't donate to his party. Don't think Obama is pro or anti business, (though as are most lawyers, he is pretty much clueless on business and economics), he's pro himself and his power base. But then a lot of us knew that b

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread Jerry in Arizona
Nope, that honor went to Bush in the last few months before Obama was sworn in.   > In any case, Obama hasn't tried to please the corporations. He bailed out banks (uber-capitalists until they need government money, then they become welfare bums).  He bailed out car companies. Yeah, he's been real

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread William Robb
-- From: "frank theriault" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer Well, maybe I am naive. However history certainly shows us that in a corporate capitalist system (I am distinguishing that from a pure capital

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread William Robb
-- From: "P N Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer Both of those actions helped prevent the country, and the city in which I live, from going belly up. In terms of the auto bailouts, GM is now

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread William Robb
-- From: "P N Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer And I know it's hard for a lefty to accept this, but sometimes what's good for the corporations is also good for the majority. This w

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
But I could not resist. So no more comments. It was very, very good to see that the kids are playing nice. Enjoy your days. I'm back off to class. Ah, grad school! Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" -- Jim Elliott --

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
>In any case, Obama hasn't tried to please the corporations. He >instituted tough financial regulations and mandated health care that >'s going to be costly for many businesses. Unfortunately or >fortunately, depending on one's point of view, the majority doesn't >seem to approve. Time will

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread mike wilson
P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:44 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:33 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: That's fringe paranoia. No one is compelled to vote based on cpr[prate campaign contributions or the opinions of lobbyists. And they don't. If they had, Mc

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-18 Thread mike wilson
frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:13 PM, paul stenquist wrote: When leadership is ultimately determined at the ballot box, the interests of the ruling party will eventually and inevitably come to reflect the interest of the public You're living in a fantasy world, Paul.

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/18/2010 7:03 AM, frank theriault wrote: Now you won't let me out of this discussion! By providing no answer to your message I /practically/ *wink* will let you out ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE fr

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Now you won't let me out of this discussion! ;-) > If the force that narrows the gap (between rich and poor, etc) is applied > from without of the system (e.g. by the governmental regulation) then you > just contradicted yourself or came a

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Me too Frank, and I have trouble with this political discussion. > It's pure huberis for those outside our system to imagine that we are > not getting the political leadership we want and deserve. > Although sometimes it's a lot more about wh

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/18/2010 6:47 AM, frank theriault wrote: I'm not saying it should be "the same for everyone". I'm saying things could be much more equitable, that society's least advantaged could be better taken care of, that the gap between rich and poor doesn't have to be so large and getting larger. Thi

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/18/2010 6:35 AM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:32 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: HAR! Biblical! Yes, well, it's Yom Kippur here in North America until sundown tomorrow evening. I'm not sure what time it is in Israel, but I'm guessing that Boris just spent lots of time ato

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: > Perhaps it could be the same for everyone, but then there would be no > motivation to succeed and carve out one's place in the world. I'm not saying it should be "the same for everyone". I'm saying things could be much more equitable, tha

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Me too Frank, and I have trouble with this political discussion. It's pure huberis for those outside our system to imagine that we are not getting the political leadership we want and deserve. Although sometimes it's a lot more about what we deserve than what we want! Such is life. You's pays your

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:28 AM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:03 AM, P N Stenquist > wrote: Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that's the truth. No arguments here. All presidents want a second term. Ultimately, they try to please the majority.

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:32 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: > HAR! Biblical! Yes, well, it's Yom Kippur here in North America until sundown tomorrow evening. I'm not sure what time it is in Israel, but I'm guessing that Boris just spent lots of time atoning and is now thinking only Biblical thoughts

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > And then Frank wrote some and Paul wrote some more and so it was for some > time. > > > Guys, you're both wrong and you're both right... Is that ok with you? No. I'm right. Wait, I'm left. Oh, the hell with it! ;-) Whatever the case

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/18/2010 6:03 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:44 PM, frank theriault wrote: And then Frank wrote some and Paul wrote some more and so it was for some time. HAR! Biblical! Guys, you're both wrong and you're both ri

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:03 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: > Frank. The guy with the most votes wins. Period. Sorry, but that's the > truth. No arguments here. > All presidents want a second term. Ultimately, they try to please the > majority. No, they have to make it ~look~ like they're pleasing

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/18/2010 6:03 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:44 PM, frank theriault wrote: And then Frank wrote some and Paul wrote some more and so it was for some time. Guys, you're both wrong and you're both right... Is that ok with you? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:44 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:33 PM, P N Stenquist > wrote: That's fringe paranoia. No one is compelled to vote based on cpr[prate campaign contributions or the opinions of lobbyists. And they don't. If they had, McCain would have won her

Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer

2010-09-17 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:33 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: > That's fringe paranoia. No one is compelled to vote based on cpr[prate > campaign contributions or the opinions of lobbyists. And they don't. If they > had, McCain would have won here. That's not fringe paranoia, that's the way government

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