Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-06 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:40:07 -0400 (EDT), wendy beard wrote: > Now and again it's good to let loose and do a bit of > machine gunning. :-) As others have mentioned, even if you're not machine gunning, a faster camera is ready for the next shot that much faster, too. Not that I don't enjoy machine

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-06 Thread wendy beard
--- John Dallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Higher resolution is fine, but I'm baffled by the > need for a faster > buffer. I spot the potential picture, get ready, and > take it. If it's a > moving or changing subject I wait for the right > moment, near as I can > guess, and press the button

RE: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-05 Thread Jens Bladt
...Pentax fans, of course :-) Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 5. juni 2005 15:15 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? I&#

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-05 Thread Cory Papenfuss
First, Ist D stores it as 16-bit uncompressed file, even though there are only 12 bits from the sensor. Correct... 4 out of 16 bits are taking up space storing NO information (zeros) on the -D. That's one pixels' worth in 2 bytes. On the -DS they pack the bits so that they get two pixels in 3

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-05 Thread P. J. Alling
conditions like cold, moist, dust, sand and others compared to an analog body? just wondering greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Niko

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
ovely shot, thanks for showing it Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 4:28 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) Thirty years ago I used to

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-05 Thread Frantisek
LM> But something else strikes me as rather interesting: is the difference in LM> RAW file size between *istD and D70 really that big? Why would that be so, LM> considering both cameras store basically the same amount of image LM> information? Or don't they? If I remember correctly: First, Ist D st

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread David Savage
LOL Try going through any door with a spear through your head. That's a neat trick. Dave S On 6/4/05, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > most things are possible > > Try going through a revolving door with a

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread Markus Maurer
unday, June 05, 2005 5:12 AM >>To: Markus Maurer >>Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon >>competitors?) >> >> >>I thought that I had mentioned the issue there. I do, in fact, have >>two bodies and sometimes it works to do just

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:07 PM >>>To: John Dallman >>>Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon >>>competitors?) >>> >>> >>>Hello John, >>> >>

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread Markus Maurer
t: Friday, June 03, 2005 4:28 PM >>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >>Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon >>competitors?) >> >> >>Thirty years ago I used to shoot drag racing with a Speed Graphic >>4x5. Most of the time I w

RE: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-04 Thread Markus Maurer
conditions like cold, moist, dust, sand and others compared to an analog body? just wondering greetings Markus >>-Original Message- >>From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:36 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subjec

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread Markus Maurer
allman >>Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon >>competitors?) >> >> >>Hello John, >> >>Here is a very simple example. You are shooting a wedding - the party >>is coming up the aisle two by two - there are 8-10 groups co

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread Herb Chong
megabyte per megapixel with their lossless compression. Herb - Original Message - From: "Leon Mlakar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) But something el

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-04 Thread Leon Mlakar
>-Original Message- >From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 1:36 AM >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon >or Canon competitors?) > >in terms of megabytes/s, my 2-3 time

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Mark Cassino
markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong"

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Graywolf
ne is on Ektachrome Tungsten. I think it was about a one second exposure at 5.6 or so with a 127mm Wollensak lens. http://www.portfolios.com/zoom.html?User_number=stenquist&imagecount=14 - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > most things are possible Try going through a revolving door with a spear through your head :-) Christian

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Jun 2005 at 17:46, Pål Jensen wrote: > Alan wrote: > > >I shoot and test my FA43 many times and came to the > > same conclusion. At least I know Rob has the same opinion on FA43. We both, > > of > > course, bought the lemons. :-) > > > Obviously. The lens was tested by "Amateur Photograp

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Mishka
> From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:16 PM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon > competitors?) > > > and how did people managed that with 36 exposures per fim? >

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Herb Chong
]> To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) The Bruce's original message I was replying to stated raw to storage medium writing times being 1-2 secs for D70 and 7-9 secs for *istD. That's 3.5 to 9

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Herb Chong
most things are possible if you don't have to make a living at it, or even just break even. Herb - Original Message - From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Herb Chong
which works when you have two similar lenses. some people can afford a pair of A* 400/2.8s. i can't. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist D

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Herb Chong
they didn't take as many pictures and didn't get as many good shots. Herb - Original Message - From: "Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitor

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Leon Mlakar
>action sports models are 5-6 times faster and have 4 or 5 >times the buffer size. > >Herb >- Original Message - >From: "Leon Mlakar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:31 PM >Subject: RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread Pål Jensen
Alan wrote: >I shoot and test my FA43 many times and came to the > same conclusion. At least I know Rob has the same opinion on FA43. We both, of > course, bought the lemons. :-) Obviously. The lens was tested by "Amateur Photographer" magazine and promptly became their reference lens outperfo

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, mike wilson wrote: But Pentax users are unlikely to be targeted by this sort of thing. I'm not sure if it is just (just!) spam or an apptempt to insert a Trojan. (DON'T click the links!!) x-gfi-me-from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc: Retur

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread luben karavelov
I think you are right Shel. luben Shel Belinkoff wrote: This little dialogue brings up an interesting, to me, point. First, I would have no qualms about giving up features (like a built-in toaster oven and wide screen TV) that are found in many "pro" cameras for a simplified feature set and a

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread pnstenquist
/zoom.html?User_number=stenquist&imagecount=14 > > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:46 AM > Subject: RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon > competitors?

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, mike wilson wrote: But Pentax users are unlikely to be targeted by this sort of thing. I'm not sure if it is just (just!) spam or an apptempt to insert a Trojan. (DON'T click the links!!) x-gfi-me-from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc: Retur

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) > hell, I still use large formant and you only get > one exposure (

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-03 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) and how did people managed that with 36 exposures per fim? mishka On 6/2/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the proper moment might be 10-20 times a minute for a few minutes

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread dagt
> fra: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > fra: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > On 2/6/05, Alan Chan, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > > > >Are Pentax people blind? > > > > > > Only in one eye, apparently. > > > > Hey, if you're referring to me

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, mike wilson wrote: > But Pentax users are unlikely to be targeted by this sort of thing. > I'm not sure if it is just (just!) spam or an apptempt to insert a > Trojan. (DON'T click the links!!) > x-gfi-me-from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Bcc: > Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How ma

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread mike wilson
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/03 Fri AM 09:27:39 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? > > > fra: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 2/6/05, Alan Chan, discombobulated, unleashed: >

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/03 Fri AM 08:48:42 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? > > On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > They also sponsor a

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread Cotty
>> >Are Pentax people blind? >> >> Only in one eye, apparently. > >Hey, if you're referring to me you got it wrong. Both eyes work >perfectly, but not together. .-) I'm saying no more! :- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysn

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread dagt
> fra: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 2/6/05, Alan Chan, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Are Pentax people blind? > > Only in one eye, apparently. Hey, if you're referring to me you got it wrong. Both eyes work perfectly, but not together. .-) DagT

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/03 Fri AM 03:28:14 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? > > Shel wrote: > > > >Having used a couple of Canons I really don&

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-03 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > They also sponsor a number of PBS shows, such as nature, where the audience > demographics are terrific. I think the key is placement: lube the news-channels to show reporters using Canons; partially fund movies to get the star or the guy behind the sta

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Jun 2005 at 21:30, John Dallman wrote: > Higher resolution is fine, but I'm baffled by the need for a faster > buffer. I spot the potential picture, get ready, and take it. If it's a > moving or changing subject I wait for the right moment, near as I can > guess, and press the button. Wh

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and how did people managed that with 36 exposures per fim? In the old days experience shooters predicted and shot, modern shooters just shoot and pray. :-) Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Disco

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread John Francis
Two bodies. On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:15:50PM -0400, Mishka wrote: > and how did people managed that with 36 exposures per fim? > > mishka > > On 6/2/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the proper moment might be 10-20 times a minute for a few > > minutes

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Tom C
Shel wrote: Having used a couple of Canons I really don't see what all the fuss is about. For example, Image Stabilization may be nice, but I'd prefer smaller lenses and bodies that don't need as much stabilization, and lenses that offer the image qualities that I like over lenses that have a

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Jun 2005 at 20:54, Jostein wrote: > One thought that bugs me with the Canon 1Ds MkII is how the heck the > Canon lenses can resolve enough detail to make 16 mill. pixels > worthwhile on a 36x24mm chip. > > I suspect it doesn't. > > In my mind, at least, a MedF digital makes more sense in

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Mishka
and how did people managed that with 36 exposures per fim? mishka On 6/2/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the proper moment might be 10-20 times a minute for a few > minutes

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Mishka
then perhaps you should shoot on (mini-)DV and print the stills? mishka On 6/2/05, Leon Mlakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >Here's another - taking candid portraits of a young kid who is > >moving around and you are catching some great facial > >expressions. Click, click, click as you go

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I review at least a dozen pro portfolios every month. These run the range from studio table top shooters to fashion shooters, and outdoor location shooters. At least eleven out of twelve are shooting digital. Paul On Jun 2, 2005, at 8:53 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: Alan wrote: However, the market h

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Herb Chong
not at a price anyone on this list is willing to pay. it would have to be completely in the lens with no body feedback or power. Herb - Original Message - From: "Thibouille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Why choose *i

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Herb Chong
al Message - From: "Leon Mlakar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) That's a long time, indeed. Something you do not think about with film camera. But, if the figure

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Shel Belinkoff wrote: This little dialogue brings up an interesting, to me, point. First, I would have no qualms about giving up features (like a built-in toaster oven and wide screen TV) that are found in many "pro" cameras for a simplified feature set and a smaller, lighter, easier-to-carry s

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Herb Chong
ssage - From: "John Dallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) Higher resolution is fine, but I'm baffled by the need for a faster buffer. I spot the potential pictu

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Christian wrote: To keep the oddball customers coming back, they had better come out with something to keep the fans of the LX, PZ-1, MZ-S type cameras around. ... Although the interesting thing, to me, is that the LX, the PZ-1 and the MZ-S were three very different cameras -- I can't quite

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Herb Chong
hursday, June 02, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? I've heard that said. However, except for the LX which I understand continued to be available in Japan Pentax has not offered a high end camera since about 1990. The MZ/S was a step in the righ

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe. But very few Professional (or non-professional) Pentax MF shooters have > switched to digital at all. The larger than 35mm format outdoor photography > marlket that dominates Pentax MF sales haven't change wholesale to digital > yet. The 120 gear

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neither the F3 or the F1 made any money. They were expensive to built and > built by > hand. > Sales volume. 5000 units a month was a LOT for the most expensive 35mm slr > money > could buy. I don't have any figure so I am not going to argue, though

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? My 2 cents/euros/pence

2005-06-02 Thread Rick Womer
S... 20 years ago I needed to replace my Mamiya/Sekor DLX500. I went to the largest camera store in Philly, which stocked Nikon, Canon, Pentax, and Minolta, and shopped slowly and carefully. In the price range I was interested in, there was the Nikon N2000, the Canon AE-1 Program, the Minolt

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Doug Franklin
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:30 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: > [...] I'm baffled by the need for a faster buffer. I spot the potential > picture, get ready, and take it. If it's a moving or changing subject > I wait for the right moment, near as I can guess, and press the button. Sometimes a machin

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Doug Franklin
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:52:55 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: > As they strip features out of the body, manual control seems to be short > changed these days. Like they might take away the hyper mode(s) and dial(s) and add more "picture modes". TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Pål Jensen
Alan wrote: > Well, the LX failed to generate cash flow and failed to compete with Canon > F-1 & > Nikon F3. Neither the F3 or the F1 made any money. They were expensive to built and built by hand. >What made the LX successful? Sales volume. 5000 units a month was a LOT for the most expensi

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Pål Jensen
Alan wrote: > However, the market has changed. Many 120 commerical shooters have moved to > high-end > Canon. Canon play one game, and they play it well. Pentax, however, are > playing 2 > games, and both are lossing at the moment. Maybe. But very few Professional (or non-professional) Pentax M

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Doug Franklin
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:49:00 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > By the time we earn enough to live somewhat decadently, we no longer > have the energy or inclination. That's nature's way of making us older > folk behave :-). Youth is wasted on the young. Money is wasted on the aged. :-) TTYL, Dou

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Mishka
le of > models to choose from, but heck...:-) > > Cheers, > Jostein > > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon com

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
They also sponsor a number of PBS shows, such as nature, where the audience demographics are terrific. The most often seen commercial is one in which a number of animals are shown in close shots, at the peak of some action, and the voice over is something like "Canon ... know how." Simple, to the

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem is this is touted to a large extent by people who doesn't use > Pentax... Right, like the famous Ken who reviews products w/o ever touching one. LOL. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But why isn't "stupid SIGMA"making IS lienses for Pentax? > They really could if they wanted it How? No Pentax body supports IS. Perhaps the Sigma ad would be like this? "IS lenses for the future?" Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/6/05, Alan Chan, discombobulated, unleashed: >Couldn't get any funkier than this. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=336238&is=REG Hey that's not half bad. No really. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||==

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, then, how does Canon or Nikon get attention for their boring, "me too" > products? They advertise. They have really bad TV commercials showing some > dope in the stands at a football game getting gorgeous shots with the kit > lens on the RebelD. Pen

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is really not the point. If the camera doesn't get peoples attention in > the > first place then they will not find out about its ergonomics. Couldn't get any funkier than this. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=deta

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
such cases may be helpful.. Shel > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Dallman)> > To: > Date: 6/2/2005 1:30:58 PM > Subject: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?) > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PRO

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They didn't give their users a choice. They didn't, but they do. Look what lenses they have been able to offer now? Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a w

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that's just me ... or is it? From what I've seen there are quite a few > istD owners here who use their cameras pretty much like standard manual > cameras most of the time, sometimes with a concession to auto focus, and > rarely use many of the m

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/6/05, Alan Chan, discombobulated, unleashed: >Are Pentax people blind? Only in one eye, apparently. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
You raise a good point. I do have two *istD's and sometimes use both of them. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't have identical lenses at all focal lengths so it can work if there is enough crossover with the lenses I have. Times it hasn't worked too well is when I have the

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but really my guess is that through > poor management it stifled many great opportunities in the market. Something that even we average consumers see... Are Pentax people blind? Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pentax > high-end market is strictly in medium format. This market is in addition > virtually > unexploited and no Canon equivalent competition is in sight in this segment. > The > 645D proves that Pentax is serious about high-end digital and theres not

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Pål Jensen
Alan wrote: > LOL. It is because there is nothing else to brag about. I don't want to name > names, > but I think the whole "Pentax lenses have Zeiss or Leica like quality" is > just a > myth. Most people like to idealize the products they are using, Pentax fans > are no > different. The pro

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Graywolf
Isn't that why you have two cameras? Swapping them every few shots? In the old days we did not carry a second camera because we were afraid one might break. But so we would not have to stop and change film. Sometimes we would have slide film in one and B&W in the other, but often we loaded the

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course, Canon said we're going to change the lens mount, you want > that don't you... Didn't they say "bigger is better"? I mean the EOS mount btw, what were you thinking? :-) Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The LX a failure? Well, the LX failed to generate cash flow and failed to compete with Canon F-1 & Nikon F3. What made the LX successful? I would not even go into the on-going reliability issue. It has however become a cult where many fans love to brag

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/6/05, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: >> Your smiley lost an eye. or are you half-blind? >> >> >> note! > :-) > >I only use one eye at the time, thus ---> .-) > > >DagT LOL! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http:/

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Leon Mlakar
Bruce, I did understand what you meant - I was just trying to make a little joke out of it. I apologize if it led to confusion. Cheers, Leon > >You may have misunderstood, I am not taking consecutive shots >with a motor drive, these are single shots fairly close >together - could even be do

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread DagT
På 2. jun. 2005 kl. 18.26 skrev Cotty: On 2/6/05, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: First: see the smiley .-) Your smiley lost an eye. or are you half-blind? note! > :-) I only use one eye at the time, thus ---> .-) DagT

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
--- Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My original dissapointment over the *istD was that it wasn't funky enough and > didn't offer the design flair in order to get attention. I think Pentax need > to > design DSLR that looks less "me too". I thought they did that with Z-1? Well, we all kno

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Thibouille
tty much like standard manual > >> cameras most of the time, sometimes with a concession to auto focus, and > >> rarely use many of the modes and features and options. Maybe the Pentax > >> Way really is to simpler, smaller, lighter, more basic cameras

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
You may have misunderstood, I am not taking consecutive shots with a motor drive, these are single shots fairly close together - could even be done without a winder. But you are right in that the kid will grin when you are not ready. It is just that with the *istD and full buffer, you are not rea

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Mishka
all very good to excellent. > For all 5 of the above I paid less than $150.00, I'm very > pleased with all of them. > > Don > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:26 PM > > To: pen

RE: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Leon Mlakar
> >Here's another - taking candid portraits of a young kid who is >moving around and you are catching some great facial >expressions. Click, click, click as you go. Suddenly you he >puts on the cutest grin and the BUFFER is FULL. > In my personal experience, even with 4.5fps PZ-1P the young

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread mike wilson
John Dallman wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shel Belinkoff) wrote: Higher resolution and a faster, bigger buffer make sense, shouldn't add bulk or weight to a camera. Higher resolution is fine, but I'm baffled by the need for a faster buffer. I spot the potenti

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Christian
> > - Original Message - > > From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > My original dissapointment over the *istD was that it wasn't funky enough > > and didn't offer the design flair in order to get attention. I think Pentax > > need to design DSLR that looks less "me too". > > > >

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Christian
> > - Original Message - > > From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > My original dissapointment over the *istD was that it wasn't funky enough > > and didn't offer the design flair in order to get attention. I think Pentax > > need to design DSLR that looks less "me too". > > > >

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello John, Here is a very simple example. You are shooting a wedding - the party is coming up the aisle two by two - there are 8-10 groups coming through in short order. You are shooting raw. You shoot one, wait about 2-3 seconds, shoot the next, etc. The problem is that the buffer fills afte

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? > > - Original Message - > From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &

Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Pål Jensen
Hard to fault this logic Pål - Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? > On 2 Jun 2005 at 10:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >

Re: Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread P. J. Alling
That usually works but sometimes the unexpected happens. John Dallman wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shel Belinkoff) wrote: Higher resolution and a faster, bigger buffer make sense, shouldn't add bulk or weight to a camera. Higher resolution is fine, but

Buffer speed (Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?)

2005-06-02 Thread John Dallman
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shel Belinkoff) wrote: > Higher resolution and a faster, bigger buffer make sense, shouldn't add > bulk or weight to a camera. Higher resolution is fine, but I'm baffled by the need for a faster buffer. I spot the potential picture, get ready,

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Got it, but I had to be half-silly (half? :-) Dario - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? On 2/6/05, Dario Bonazza,

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread P. J. Alling
have the money there should be at least a couple of models to choose from, but heck...:-) Cheers, Jostein - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competi

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, P. J. Alling wrote: > They didn't give their users a choice. Ah, OK, same as mine :-) K

Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?

2005-06-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, P. J. Alling wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: The thing is that they got there by listening to their customers, so well they deserve it IMO. You mean their customers asked

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