2009/8/20 P. J. Alling :
> Actually they're trying to prohibit your fair use of your own photographs, I
> don't think think they can do that for photographs where they hold the
> originals, let alone those they don't.
>
My point was that if they can't find your photos they can't do much
about it,
From: Igor Roshchin
Wow!
I am impressed by what resonanse my concern and question has received.
I appreciate everybody's opinions and suggestions (on and off the list).
While I think their legal statement may not withstand a court, I don't
really want to deal with it and with the organizers.
So
On 20/8/09, Lasse Karlsson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Britney Spears tried to pull off a similar one when recently touring Sweden,
>demanding that all photographers transferred all rights to their pictures to
>her (!) after a few weeks. All major newspapers refused and not a single
>picture of
Wow!
I am impressed by what resonanse my concern and question has received.
I appreciate everybody's opinions and suggestions (on and off the list).
While I think their legal statement may not withstand a court, I don't
really want to deal with it and with the organizers.
So, I decided to skip th
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 04:53:01AM +0300, Lasse Karlsson wrote:
>
> Those terms make everyone involved in the EBC look ridiculous too. Tell
> them so.
>
> Britney Spears tried to pull off a similar one when recently touring
> Sweden, demanding that all photographers transferred all rights to thei
le and not enforceable, I would feel no
compunction in violating such a non agreement.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
Simple tort law William, a valid contract requires a meeti
Actually, they don't want you to photograph their events, which is the
whole point. They could of simply have prohibited all photography, if
the event is happening in a private location, that's perfectly within
their rights. However they didn't want to deal with people who just
wanted to take
- Original Message -
From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: Re: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
In the meantime, I'll photograph at events where they don't have such
onerous terms, and avoid involving myself in unwanted litigation.
Your
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
Simple tort law William, a valid contract requires a meeting of the
mind's. There can be no meeting of the minds here. I wasn't advocating
taking t
From: "Lasse Karlsson"
What do you think?
> Igor
I think that every one (like many thousand photographers) who thinks that
their proposition "By clicking the Submit button...etc." is ridiculous,
should use the box "Additional info" to say "By clicking the Submit button I
do not at all agree.
Igor, I'm not familiar at all to event terms as I never went into such
a situation.
However, reading those terms, I'd strongly want to show'em my longest
finger, sorry if this is harsh.
May they go to hell. 'nuff said.
--
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papers.
If I recall correctly also the Spice Girls tried to do the same a long
time ago with similar results, except that they also were booed at
because of that.
Lasse
From: "Igor Roshchin"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: Ugly event terms for photographers
Actually they're trying to prohibit your fair use of your own
photographs, I don't think think they can do that for photographs where
they hold the originals, let alone those they don't.
Anthony Farr wrote:
2009/8/20 Igor Roshchin :
You CANNOT sell photographs taken at EBC.
Out of
2009/8/20 Igor Roshchin :
> You CANNOT sell photographs taken at EBC.
>
Out of all the restrictions and conditions that were described, I
think that one says the most. It suggests that they have already sold
the rights to photography for sale, and have formulated rules to
protect the rights-holde
From: "John Sessoms"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
I think you are all underestimating the possibilities for gross
stupidity in the American Legal Process. There's nothing in contract law
that
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
I just looked at a registration form of one of the swing-dance events,
and was shocked by the rules they establish about taking photographs
at the event:
Photographs:
By clicking t
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:24:20PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
>
> Last time I saw this was a Major League Baseball photo contest. Prize
> was a new Nikon w/kit lens (D70 at the time IIRC) and a trip to the All
> Star game.
>
> THEY got the rights to all the photos you took at the game along wit
I have a distinct distrust of the American legal system, but for
Contract to be a "Contract" it must meet a number of criteria, this
misses on several important points, if not all of them. No lawyer worth
his retainer will attempt to enforce this dogs breakfast.
John Sessoms wrote:
I think y
I think you are all underestimating the possibilities for gross
stupidity in the American Legal Process. There's nothing in contract law
that says a contract has to be fair to both parties to be legal.
I'll tell you where I've seen this language before. It's boiler plate
for a lot of photo "co
From: "P. J. Alling"
John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Igor Roshchin
>> I just looked at a registration form of one of the swing-dance events,
>> and was shocked by the rules they establish about taking photographs
>> at the event:
>>
>> Photographs:
>> By clicking the Submit button and registering
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
Igor Roshchin wrote:
> Am I too emotional about this?
> What do you think?
organize a boycott and alternate event in protest. then hunt down the
writer of that hateful thing with bolas
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In a message dated 8/19/2009 8:53:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
s...@komkon.org writes:
I understand that people who wrote this statement
may not be professional event organizers... but they are greedy!
They hire photographers-volunteers without any compensation
and with exclusive rights to p
I was most impressed by the claim of ownership over any photographs
"every taken" at their events. Implies they have had this wordy piece
of crap since their event #1, and that anyone with a camera has read
and signed it.
I suspect an amateur organizer who was too cheap to pay a lawyer. The
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
I don't think you can assign rights legally without compensation. I
don;t see where they compensate you in any fashion. You cannot
s
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
I don't think you can assign rights legally without compensation. I don;t
see where they compensate you in any fashion. You cannot simply give your
right
John Sessoms wrote:
From: Igor Roshchin
I just looked at a registration form of one of the swing-dance events,
and was shocked by the rules they establish about taking photographs
at the event:
Photographs:
By clicking the Submit button and registering for EBC, you agree
that in return for a
From: Igor Roshchin
I just looked at a registration form of one of the swing-dance events,
and was shocked by the rules they establish about taking photographs
at the event:
Photographs:
By clicking the Submit button and registering for EBC, you agree
that in return for allowing you to photog
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
> Behalf Of Igor Roshchin
> Sent: 19 August 2009 16:53
> To: PDML@pdml.net
> Subject: Ugly event terms for photographers - What do you think?
>
>
> I just looked at a registration form of one of the
> swin
It's just another bit of the ongoing "war on photography" which seems
to be far more effectively campaigned than the "war on terrorism".
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I'm sorry, I don't care how smart their lawyer is, the clause following
"In return for..." is a restriction. Hell a stiff letter from a lawyer
on his own letter head to these people should send them packing with
their tails between their legs. They want to see the inside of a
courtroom even
They provide the compensation:
"... in return for allowing you to photograph during EBC"
That, however, reminds me Tom Sawyer's tactics of painting the
fence (from the famous Mark Twain's book).
For reminder, look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D4oDKTe3rk
(starting at ~ 3:40)
The bottom l
I don't think you can assign rights legally without compensation. I
don;t see where they compensate you in any fashion. You cannot simply
give your rights away. That's accepted legal principal. This wouldn;t
stand up in any court I know of. In fact taking someone to court on
this would pro
On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:52, Igor Roshchin wrote:
I can understand events where photography is fully prohibited
(although
it is somewhat strange for community-oriented events like most swing-
dance
events are).
I understand that people who wrote this statement
may not be professional event o
I just looked at a registration form of one of the swing-dance events,
and was shocked by the rules they establish about taking photographs
at the event:
Photographs:
By clicking the Submit button and registering for EBC, you agree
that in return for allowing you to photograph during EBC, that
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