Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bob W
On 26 Nov 2013, at 05:43, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art
 history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. 
 
 Michelangelo, among others, would disagree.  G

Leonardo said, and I agree with him, that Michelangelo's nudes look like a 
sackful of walnuts.

B


 
 David and a few other masterpieces aside, however, you are correct.  I
 think it more difficult to make the naked male body look beautiful
 than the female one.  Doing either is far beyond my artistic
 capabilities.
 
 Neither gender of nudes offends me, but I must admit I prefer looking
 at naked women than naked men.  If that makes me a sexist pig, so be
 it.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bob W
You just can't tear your eyes away, can you? 

Next time Godders is over hear we should go back to Camden Lock and recreate 
it. Not nude, obviously, that would just frighten people. I mean wearing 
mankinis.

B

 On 26 Nov 2013, at 04:51, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 
 Funny!  I believe this is the 6th time I've seen this photo!  Cheers, 
 Christine 
 
 
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 long thread. 
 by popular demand: 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25268645/well-hung-4740.jpg
 
 interested in expression, gesture.
 nudes too artificial.
 
 

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Re: PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread Attila Boros
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:23 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Balance.

 I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to messenger 
 parties once in a while:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1

 Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy.

It's a nice party photo from some wild partying. I wonder how much can
they remember from that night:)

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Re: DXO does the K3....was..Fwd: Re: K-3 review as seen through the eyes of the PF

2013-11-26 Thread Zos Xavius
The source for K-5 raw smoothing? The source for resized K3 files?
What source do you speak of Mr Boris? :P

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11/26/2013 6:38 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

 Also I must add that the k-5 does some definite noise reduction to the
 raw files over iso 1600, whether that's in the imaging pipeline or the
 firmware is neither hear nor there at this point. At 3200 on the k-5
 you are most certainly trading resolution for image quality. I don't
 have any real figures, but I feel that looking at the files from my
 k-5, its easily giving up quite a bit of resolution due to noise
 smoothing. From what I can gather the K-3 is resolving more fine
 detail but yet showing similar amounts of noise when resized to k-5
 resolution. That's what I have seen with my own eyes at least. To be
 honest they are pretty close and careful raw processing will result
 with more detail in the k-3 files with similar noise levels. I find
 pentax's jpeg engine to be not the greatest at noise reduction, but
 honestly, its better than some other camera makers too.


 Zos, can you please point me to the source of that information? I'm
 extremely interested to *know*.

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Re: DXO does the K3....was..Fwd: Re: K-3 review as seen through the eyes of the PF

2013-11-26 Thread Boris Liberman
The source of information that indicates that K-5 applies smoothing to
RAW files even if I specifically set its settings not to do so.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 The source for K-5 raw smoothing? The source for resized K3 files?
 What source do you speak of Mr Boris? :P

 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11/26/2013 6:38 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

 Also I must add that the k-5 does some definite noise reduction to the
 raw files over iso 1600, whether that's in the imaging pipeline or the
 firmware is neither hear nor there at this point. At 3200 on the k-5
 you are most certainly trading resolution for image quality. I don't
 have any real figures, but I feel that looking at the files from my
 k-5, its easily giving up quite a bit of resolution due to noise
 smoothing. From what I can gather the K-3 is resolving more fine
 detail but yet showing similar amounts of noise when resized to k-5
 resolution. That's what I have seen with my own eyes at least. To be
 honest they are pretty close and careful raw processing will result
 with more detail in the k-3 files with similar noise levels. I find
 pentax's jpeg engine to be not the greatest at noise reduction, but
 honestly, its better than some other camera makers too.


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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Ah! I think I understand what you are really having an issue with in
these shots, Larry: it's that the photographer is objectifying the
motorcycle.

He is depicting the Ducati as primarily a sexy posing support for the
pretty model and taking away from its other use as a way to get from
point A to point B very quickly, or from point A back to point A again
around a track, extremely quickly.


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 08:17:48PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
  On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 07:04:09PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
  Good gawd no, Larry. You only do that for sheer comedy.
 
  Here's what happens when you pose men like women:
  http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/alicia-mariah-elfving-ducati-dealership
 
  Try to view that with a straight face. I dare you! ;-)
 
  I think that that page goes a long way to pointing out some of the
  ridiculousness that is common in photographing women.
  I suppose that I should have said equivalent rather than the
  the same pose.

 Ridiculous? Really? They are glamour shots. The woman looks _amazing_.
  Look, you and are just wired differently, Larry. :-)

 I think most people are wired differently than me.  My idea of a
 sexy photo involving a woman and a ducatti would involve her wearing knee 
 pads,
 and dragging them on the rumble strip at the apex of a turn.
 Either that or with her wrenching on the thing.

 What can I say, the sexiest woman I ever saw on TV might have been
 Kaylee from Firefly.

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Re: PESO: Bicycle racers from a couple of years ago

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Absolutely outstanding, Mark.

(If only one or more of them were nude ... :-) )

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d905610sq.htm


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SV: PESO - First Night in Zion

2013-11-26 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Thanks for commenting; Attila, Boris and Godfrey.

Apologies to all for the non-arousing nudity. :-)

Jostein

-Opprinnelig melding- 
Fra: Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

Dato: 25. november 2013 12:39
Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Emne: PESO - First Night in Zion

http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2013/11/first-night-in-zion.html

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

On 11/25/2013 3:35 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/11/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:


The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated
differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different.

Walt, I love you man.


The feeling is mutual, Cotty!

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote:
 
 The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated
 differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're
 different.

...and why do you think they're different?

 There are several reasons. First of all there it's sociological
 conditioning. Then there is the case that the mix of emotion affecting
 hormones trends to skew differently in men than in women, otherwise
 folks who are transitioning wouldn't need to take hormones for their
 target gender.

Most trans people I know take the hormones more for the physical effect.

 While it is wrong to make blanket assumptions about someone's
 preferences out abilities based on their plumbing, it is just as wrong
 to insist that everyone is the same.

 Statistically, men and women behave differently. For example, look at
 the gender distribution on this list. In a similar vein,I have had
 many more women ask me to photograph them than men, and they are far
 more likely to ask to be photographed nude.

Well, yes, but as you pointed out, it really is unclear how much of that
social.  Moreover, the variation between individuals is much greater
than the differences between the sexes (the curves overlap =90% for
anything not attributable to socialization -- such as height, and even
height has some social component because e.g. nutrition has social
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Bob W wrote:

 That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving'
 exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well
 like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't
 matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if
 you don't want to. All those people are 'us'.

I'd be more inclined to agree without if there wasn't that pesky larger
context.  This is, after all, a world where women get paid less than men,
have less access to political power, get raped more frequently, etc.

So Frank has a point that what happens on PDML may in fact reflect that
larger context.

I do agree with the people who say that any changes in the PDML should
come from individuals, but if you're upset that Frank brought up the
subject in the first place, you need to educate yourself.
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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Well I could take a photo of my apartment...

May have to bow out of this month's theme as
I think of photography as a positive force for order in my life

ann

On 11/25/2013 16:43, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Hmmm.  Nothing comes to mind yet.  But with 20 people (four our whom are
under the age of 8) coming here for Thanksgiving there should be plenty
of chaos.  Maybe I'll get something then.  :]

-p

On 11/25/2013 3:24 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Only a few days left to submit for the December PUG. So far zero, nil,
nada submissions.

(well, there is one, but that's mine so it doesn't count...)

Theme: Chaos

Nom. closing date 30 Nov

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

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* Max file size: 300k
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Bob W wrote:

 That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving'
 exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well
 like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't
 matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if
 you don't want to. All those people are 'us'.

 I'd be more inclined to agree without if there wasn't that pesky larger
 context.  This is, after all, a world where women get paid less than men,
 have less access to political power, get raped more frequently, etc.

 So Frank has a point that what happens on PDML may in fact reflect that
 larger context.

 I do agree with the people who say that any changes in the PDML should
 come from individuals, but if you're upset that Frank brought up the
 subject in the first place, you need to educate yourself.

Do you think that anyone was upset by the subject? I don't. This
conversation ranks up there with the most thought-provoking and
civilized that we've had in a long time. I'm glad Frank aired it, and
I gather that it has been enjoyed by all.

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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:


 Theme: Chaos

I'm not allowed to take photos on my school bus, sorry

Dave

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

On 11/26/2013 8:45 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Do you think that anyone was upset by the subject? I don't.

I haven't seen any evidence of it, either.

Though, I suspect the not-so-subtle insinuation that to disagree is to 
reveal oneself as an uneducated buffoon could very well change that.


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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Ann, it can't be worse than my basement. :-/

How about looking at some localized chaos? Closeup of cream freshly
stirred into coffee kind of thing.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Well I could take a photo of my apartment...

 May have to bow out of this month's theme as
 I think of photography as a positive force for order in my life

 ann


 On 11/25/2013 16:43, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 Hmmm.  Nothing comes to mind yet.  But with 20 people (four our whom are
 under the age of 8) coming here for Thanksgiving there should be plenty
 of chaos.  Maybe I'll get something then.  :]

 -p

 On 11/25/2013 3:24 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 G'day all

 Only a few days left to submit for the December PUG. So far zero, nil,
 nada submissions.

 (well, there is one, but that's mine so it doesn't count...)

 Theme: Chaos

 Nom. closing date 30 Nov

 Submit here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

 Submission Guidelines here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

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More evidence that Ricoh is totally on the ball ...

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
12 Days. 12 Deals.

http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/12days12deals

K-5IIs + sling bag for $899 is the first one.

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Re: K3 PEF to DNG conversion.

2013-11-26 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:24:31 +0100 Dario Bonazza wrote:

1) Install Pentax Camera Utility 5.0 and see if it has such PEF-DNG conversion 
feature.

Thats wat I ended up using, it has a nice batch PEF to DNG conversion, and 
lightroom 4.4 was happy :)

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 I do agree with the people who say that any changes in the PDML should
 come from individuals, but if you're upset that Frank brought up the
 subject in the first place, you need to educate yourself.
 
 Do you think that anyone was upset by the subject? I don't. This
 conversation ranks up there with the most thought-provoking and
 civilized that we've had in a long time. I'm glad Frank aired it, and
 I gather that it has been enjoyed by all.

Maybe upset wasn't the best word, but here are some out-of-context
quotes from this conversation that led me to believe that people are
having some kind of emotional reaction:

Paul Stenquist: Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met.

Zos Xavius: Actually I think that there really isn't objectification
going on and that is your own hangups about nudity projecting here, ...

Paul Stenquist: Your crusade is political correctness run amok. Try to
get free of the liberal leash.

[...]

Actually, it looks like those were some of the earlier comments in the
thread, which colored my perception even after.  You are right, it's
overall been a good thread.
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Out of context is right. Trying to stir things up a bit, eh?

Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 I do agree with the people who say that any changes in the PDML should
 come from individuals, but if you're upset that Frank brought up the
 subject in the first place, you need to educate yourself.
 
 Do you think that anyone was upset by the subject? I don't. This
 conversation ranks up there with the most thought-provoking and
 civilized that we've had in a long time. I'm glad Frank aired it, and
 I gather that it has been enjoyed by all.
 
 Maybe upset wasn't the best word, but here are some out-of-context
 quotes from this conversation that led me to believe that people are
 having some kind of emotional reaction:
 
 Paul Stenquist: Perhaps you should mount a protest at the Met.
 
 Zos Xavius: Actually I think that there really isn't objectification
 going on and that is your own hangups about nudity projecting here, ...
 
 Paul Stenquist: Your crusade is political correctness run amok. Try to
 get free of the liberal leash.
 
 [...]
 
 Actually, it looks like those were some of the earlier comments in the
 thread, which colored my perception even after.  You are right, it's
 overall been a good thread.
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Re: PESO - Still Life in the Snow

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce
Nice!   Me like.

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knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
We got a teeny bit of snow on the weekend. It's all but gone now, at
least it is down here by the lake.

More significantly we are having wintry temps now. It was around -10C
this morning which is cold for Toronto in November. 

Anyway, haven't taken many pix lately. This one from about five years
ago reminded me of this weekend's dusting:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2009/01/shopping-in-snow.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Evening Shift Snack

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce
Well done.  Your street skills are well beyond mine.  The scene draws you in.

-Bruce
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Richard Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
Along the Avenue of the Americas:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17610339size=lg

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments?

Rick


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Re: PESO: Bicycle racers from a couple of years ago

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce
Strong image.  Powerful impact!

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Re: PESO: Bicycle racers from a couple of years ago

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Superb. High drama.

Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Bruce bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
 
 Strong image.  Powerful impact!
 
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 08:02:48AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Ah! I think I understand what you are really having an issue with in
 these shots, Larry: it's that the photographer is objectifying the
 motorcycle.

Exactly.  It's terrible when they dehumanize fine motorcycles like that.

:-)

More seriously, I see a spectrum that goes something like:

The human body as a compositional element.
The human body as something beautiful, or at least visually interesting.
The model as a sexual being.
The model's ONLY purpose is as a sexual being.

For me, there is a key difference between the last two, and a lot
of cheesecake seems to dress and pose the women to convey that
these women are beautiful in part because they are too dumb and
helpless to do anything but be sexual objects for the pleasure of
others.

Admittedly, I might be more attracted to such women if we didn't 
bore each other to tears. They tend not to have anything to talk
about that I find at all interesting, and I tend not to have 
anything to talk about that they find interesting, or in many 
cases, in a way that they understand. In normal conversation,
I'm deficient at using an accessible lexicon.


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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread Bob W
A picture of a butterfly's wing would work here.

B

 On 26 Nov 2013, at 14:49, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ann, it can't be worse than my basement. :-/
 
 How about looking at some localized chaos? Closeup of cream freshly
 stirred into coffee kind of thing.
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Well I could take a photo of my apartment...
 
 May have to bow out of this month's theme as
 I think of photography as a positive force for order in my life
 
 ann
 
 
 On 11/25/2013 16:43, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 
 Hmmm.  Nothing comes to mind yet.  But with 20 people (four our whom are
 under the age of 8) coming here for Thanksgiving there should be plenty
 of chaos.  Maybe I'll get something then.  :]
 
 -p
 
 On 11/25/2013 3:24 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
 
 G'day all
 
 Only a few days left to submit for the December PUG. So far zero, nil,
 nada submissions.
 
 (well, there is one, but that's mine so it doesn't count...)
 
 Theme: Chaos
 
 Nom. closing date 30 Nov
 
 Submit here:
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
 
 Submission Guidelines here:
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
 
 The main requirements are:
 * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
 * Max file size: 300k
 * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
 lens used is Pentax.
 * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure
 that the image is displayed correctly on line.
 
 

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jpg oddity

2013-11-26 Thread Stan Halpin
I was wondering how LR would be able to handle the RAW to jpg conversion on my 
Chaos image for the PUG. As I suspected, the chaotic image did not compress as 
readily as my usual shots, and I had to bring down the 0-100 quality slider in 
LR. As I went through a series of trial-and-error settings, I was very 
surprised to find a discontinuity of sorts. 

At a quality setting of 70, the file was 305mb as reported by my iMac OS-X 
10.7.5. 
At a quality setting of 69 the file size dropped all the way to 264mb.

By comparison, I usually use a quality rating of 82-89 to compress one of my 
RAW images to a 300mb PUG submission.

stan
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bob W
On 26 Nov 2013, at 13:36, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 11/25/2013 3:35 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
 On 25/11/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated
 differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're different.
 Walt, I love you man.
 The feeling is mutual, Cotty!
 

If you two decide to shower together, make sure you get some photos for Frank.

B
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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread Attila Boros
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 A picture of a butterfly's wing would work here.

I like this interpretation of the theme:)

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Re: jpg oddity

2013-11-26 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 As I went through a series of trial-and-error settings, I was very surprised 
 to find a discontinuity of sorts.

 At a quality setting of 70, the file was 305mb as reported by my iMac OS-X 
 10.7.5.
 At a quality setting of 69 the file size dropped all the way to 264mb.

http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/jpeg-quality

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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread steve harley

on 2013-11-26 12:23 Bob W wrote

A picture of a butterfly's wing would work here.


and of course _anything_ could be a picture of a butterfly's wing


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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bob W
 On 26 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Bob W wrote:
 
 That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving'
 exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well
 like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't
 matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if
 you don't want to. All those people are 'us'.
 
 I'd be more inclined to agree without if there wasn't that pesky larger
 context.  This is, after all, a world where women get paid less than men,
 have less access to political power, get raped more frequently, etc.
 
 So Frank has a point that what happens on PDML may in fact reflect that
 larger context.

Well, I agree with you that the world is somewhat unbalanced in this respect, 
and that is where the matter of free, informed consent comes into it. It's very 
difficult to know in any given instance whether someone is genuinely giving 
their consent freely, and I think I mentioned elsewhere the matter of peer 
pressure, society pressure and so on. 

I think on a matter like this, where the people involved are apparently well 
informed, and living in a liberal democracy, we have to presume that they are 
fully aware of the nature of what they're doing, and we shouldn't try to 
project our own reading of the situation and our own morals onto them.

At the same time we have to stay aware that others are forced or pressured into 
doing things they'd rather not and, as a society, offer them a way out of it if 
they wish to take it.

 
 I do agree with the people who say that any changes in the PDML should
 come from individuals, but if you're upset that Frank brought up the
 subject in the first place, you need to educate yourself.

I imagine you mean 'you' in the general sense, rather than me specifically. I'm 
not upset that Frank brought it up - it's an important issue, but I think we 
have to be careful while striving to be well-meaning that we don't bend over so 
far that we either get our heads stuck somewhere, or that we turn into Puritans 
or the Taliban.

B
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Re: jpg oddity

2013-11-26 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Matthew. I wasn't particularly concerned about using a low quality 
setting because of articles like this that I've seen before. But I did not 
recall the analysis exposing the 0-100 scale as a gimmick, masking an 
underlying 0-12 scale. So, oddity explained.

stan

On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 
 As I went through a series of trial-and-error settings, I was very surprised 
 to find a discontinuity of sorts.
 
 At a quality setting of 70, the file was 305kb as reported by my iMac OS-X 
 10.7.5.
 At a quality setting of 69 the file size dropped all the way to 264kb.
 
 http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/jpeg-quality
 
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Re: December PUG Countdown

2013-11-26 Thread Dario Bonazza

Just submitted my chaos.
Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: Brian Walters

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:24 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: December PUG Countdown

G'day all

Only a few days left to submit for the December PUG. So far zero, nil,
nada submissions.

(well, there is one, but that's mine so it doesn't count...)

Theme: Chaos

Nom. closing date 30 Nov

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.

--
Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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Cheers

Brian

++
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Re: jpg oddity

2013-11-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Stan Halpin wrote:

I was wondering how LR would be able to handle the RAW to jpg conversion on my 
Chaos image for the PUG. As I suspected, the chaotic image did not compress as 
readily as my usual shots, and I had to bring down the 0-100 quality slider in 
LR. As I went through a series of trial-and-error settings, I was very 
surprised to find a discontinuity of sorts. 

At a quality setting of 70, the file was 305mb as reported by my iMac OS-X 
10.7.5. 
At a quality setting of 69 the file size dropped all the way to 264mb.

This is pretty well known. It also exists in Photoshop where you save
JPEGs on a scale from 1-12: Quality setting 6 yields larger files than
quality setting 7. (Also, quality settings 11 and 12 yield larger
files but no better image quality than setting 10.)
http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/jpeg-quantization.html

 
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Desjardins
If people wanted more male nude photos then they would happen.  We may have 
biased attitudes but for matters of taste like photography , unlike legal 
rights, this has to change slowly.   A picture of a naked person will elicit a 
sexual response, positive or negative, from most people.   I don't believe at 
all that sexuality goes away just because it's art, statue of David included.  

Steve Desjardins

On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 On 26 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Bob W wrote:
 
 That's the way equality is. It's not a question of 'us' 'giving'
 exposure to anyone. Every adult is free to do whatever they damn well
 like providing they don't infringe the same rights of others. Doesn't
 matter what their bits are like - you don't have to look at them if
 you don't want to. All those people are 'us'.
 
 I'd be more inclined to agree without if there wasn't that pesky larger
 context.  This is, after all, a world where women get paid less than men,
 have less access to political power, get raped more frequently, etc.
 
 So Frank has a point that what happens on PDML may in fact reflect that
 larger context.
 
 Well, I agree with you that the world is somewhat unbalanced in this respect, 
 and that is where the matter of free, informed consent comes into it. It's 
 very difficult to know in any given instance whether someone is genuinely 
 giving their consent freely, and I think I mentioned elsewhere the matter of 
 peer pressure, society pressure and so on. 
 
 I think on a matter like this, where the people involved are apparently well 
 informed, and living in a liberal democracy, we have to presume that they are 
 fully aware of the nature of what they're doing, and we shouldn't try to 
 project our own reading of the situation and our own morals onto them.
 
 At the same time we have to stay aware that others are forced or pressured 
 into doing things they'd rather not and, as a society, offer them a way out 
 of it if they wish to take it.
 
 
 I do agree with the people who say that any changes in the PDML should
 come from individuals, but if you're upset that Frank brought up the
 subject in the first place, you need to educate yourself.
 
 I imagine you mean 'you' in the general sense, rather than me specifically. 
 I'm not upset that Frank brought it up - it's an important issue, but I think 
 we have to be careful while striving to be well-meaning that we don't bend 
 over so far that we either get our heads stuck somewhere, or that we turn 
 into Puritans or the Taliban.
 
 B
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PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread David Mann
I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

Here it is with candles lit...

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake.  
Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
make them too fragile to coat.

Cheers,
Dave


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Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt
So, it looks like I'll be going on a little road trip with a friend next 
week, to New Orleans.


Anybody have any suggestions for where to go for photographic purposes? 
(Hell isn't an option. Sorry.)


I'd like to get interesting shots, rather than provide a vicarious 
sight-seeing tour for potential viewers when I get back. So any 
interesting places you may be able to point me to would be much appreciated.


Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
Right.

Which is why I've said from the beginning that I am not trying to tell anyone 
what or who they should photograph or even what they should post.

I guess I was trying to point out the obvious imbalance along with what that 
might mean. I don't advocate quotas or censorship or anything of the sort. It's 
just a very troubling issue to me.

I don't want a Morality Police (whether Christian, Islamic or otherwise) to 
dictate what we can do here.

Am I well-meaning? I guess. Is my head stuck up my arse? Possibly. Do I want 
fairer and even-handed portrayals of genders? Yup. 

Cheers,
frank


Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

I imagine you mean 'you' in the general sense, rather than me
specifically. I'm not upset that Frank brought it up - it's an
important issue, but I think we have to be careful while striving to be
well-meaning that we don't bend over so far that we either get our
heads stuck somewhere, or that we turn into Puritans or the Taliban.

B

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
I certainly hope you don't think I said (or even thought) that, Walt.

Cheers,
frank

Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

I haven't seen any evidence of it, either.

Though, I suspect the not-so-subtle insinuation that to disagree is to 
reveal oneself as an uneducated buffoon could very well change that.

-- Walt

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt
Of course not, Frank. I can't imagine anything like that ever crossing 
your mind.


I was referring to Aahz's admonition to those who are supposedly upset 
by your post to educate themselves.


He's since clarified himself, acknowledging that upset might not have 
been the best choice of words -- though the presumed lack of education 
as an explanation for disagreement still hangs there.


I'm personally not offended by your position in the least, and think 
it's admirable that you're acting on your conscience. Giving up naked 
ladies ain't easy.


I just happen to not share your view on the matter -- but I certainly 
don't begrudge you for it.


-- Walt

On 11/26/2013 2:42 PM, knarf wrote:

I certainly hope you don't think I said (or even thought) that, Walt.

Cheers,
frank

Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


I haven't seen any evidence of it, either.

Though, I suspect the not-so-subtle insinuation that to disagree is to
reveal oneself as an uneducated buffoon could very well change that.

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Of course not, Frank. I can't imagine anything like that ever crossing your 
 mind.
 
 I was referring to Aahz's admonition to those who are supposedly upset by 
 your post to educate themselves.
 
 He's since clarified himself, acknowledging that upset might not have been 
 the best choice of words -- though the presumed lack of education as an 
 explanation for disagreement still hangs there.
 
 I'm personally not offended by your position in the least, and think it's 
 admirable that you're acting on your conscience. Giving up naked ladies ain't 
 easy.
 
 I just happen to not share your view on the matter -- but I certainly don't 
 begrudge you for it.

Nor do I, although I do stand behind what I said. (Frank and I have been pals 
for a long time, although we hold markedly different positions on a whole range 
of subjects.) I do believe political correctness has spun out of control, and 
that the population as a whole spends way too much time worrying about what 
others are thinking or doing. I found Aahz's out-of-context repetition of my 
remarks offensive, inflammatory and childish, but I would defend his right to 
do it. 

Paul
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 11/26/2013 2:42 PM, knarf wrote:
 I certainly hope you don't think I said (or even thought) that, Walt.
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I haven't seen any evidence of it, either.
 
 Though, I suspect the not-so-subtle insinuation that to disagree is to
 reveal oneself as an uneducated buffoon could very well change that.
 
 -- Walt
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Re: jpg oddity

2013-11-26 Thread Ken Waller
And I've noticed something similar in PS - with some images, lowering the 
quality slider will sometimes produce larger jpeg files. I remember reading 
why this occurs but have since forgotten.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info

Subject: jpg oddity


I was wondering how LR would be able to handle the RAW to jpg conversion on 
my Chaos image for the PUG. As I suspected, the chaotic image did not 
compress as readily as my usual shots, and I had to bring down the 0-100 
quality slider in LR. As I went through a series of trial-and-error 
settings, I was very surprised to find a discontinuity of sorts.


At a quality setting of 70, the file was 305mb as reported by my iMac OS-X 
10.7.5.

At a quality setting of 69 the file size dropped all the way to 264mb.

By comparison, I usually use a quality rating of 82-89 to compress one of 
my RAW images to a 300mb PUG submission.


stan



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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Bob W
that is just about the nerdiest thing I've ever heard of! But very nice ;o)

B

 On 26 Nov 2013, at 20:37, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso
 
 Here it is with candles lit...
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso
 
 I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake. 
  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
 make them too fragile to coat.
 
 

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

  Giving up naked ladies ain't easy.

MARK!

... of the sitting-duck variety.

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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Attila Boros
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:37 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

 Here it is with candles lit...

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

 I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake. 
  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
 make them too fragile to coat.

 Cheers,
 Dave

Certainly very original and looks nice!

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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Awe.some! You should get an Internet Award for that effort. I bet your
wife just loves it. :-)

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:37 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

 Here it is with candles lit...

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

 I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake. 
  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
 make them too fragile to coat.

 Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
Your wife is very, very lucky.
My congratulations :)

By the way, is she a physical geometrician?
Or, a cubist?

:)

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2013/11/26 David Mann dmann...@gmail.com:
 I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

 Here it is with candles lit...

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

 I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake. 
  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
 make them too fragile to coat.

 Cheers,
 Dave


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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
The last video game I played . It was addictive. Perhaps your cake will be as 
well!

Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Awe.some! You should get an Internet Award for that effort. I bet your
 wife just loves it. :-)
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:37 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso
 
 Here it is with candles lit...
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso
 
 I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more 
 cake.  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and 
 probably make them too fragile to coat.
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
 
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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Darren Addy
I, for one, have had it up to HERE with this shameless objectification
of cake on the PDML.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 The last video game I played . It was addictive. Perhaps your cake will be as 
 well!

 Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Awe.some! You should get an Internet Award for that effort. I bet your
 wife just loves it. :-)

 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:37 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

 Here it is with candles lit...

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

 I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more 
 cake.  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and 
 probably make them too fragile to coat.

 Cheers,
 Dave


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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Desjardins
Bourbon St and surroundings obviously.   Also, pictures or not, I would 
strongly recommend the WWII museum. It's $30 but well worth it.

Steve Desjardins

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 So, it looks like I'll be going on a little road trip with a friend next 
 week, to New Orleans.
 
 Anybody have any suggestions for where to go for photographic purposes? 
 (Hell isn't an option. Sorry.)
 
 I'd like to get interesting shots, rather than provide a vicarious 
 sight-seeing tour for potential viewers when I get back. So any interesting 
 places you may be able to point me to would be much appreciated.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I, for one, have had it up to HERE with this shameless objectification
 of cake on the PDML.

MARK!

Here's to cake! Looks darn good!

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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

You should be proud as hell of that, David.

Well done!

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On 11/26/2013 2:37 PM, David Mann wrote:

I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

Here it is with candles lit...

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake.  
Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
make them too fragile to coat.

Cheers,
Dave





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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/11/13, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't want a Morality Police (whether Christian, Islamic or otherwise)
to dictate what we can do here.

Skofteland is around?

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Sony A7 and A7r reviewed by DigitalRev

2013-11-26 Thread Miserere
I imagine some of you hate Kai's style of reviewing, but I thoroughly
enjoy his irreverence. Anyway, he actually...well...I'll let you watch
the review to find out what he thinks of these FF Sonys (or is it
Sonies?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUJc83wV6iA

If only their lenses weren't so humongous, they could be contenders
for Miserere's stable of street cameras, especially at $1,700 for the
A7.

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread David Savage
I'm weighing in on this one quite late, but here goes.

Bruce was mentioned in the OP, so I just want to say that frankly (no
pun intended) his recent nude work is less sexual than the
clothed/implied nude stuff that I've been doing recently. Nudity
doesn't always equate to sex.

As to the question of the gender/subject imbalance, it's not rocket
surgery: most photographers a male, most males like girls. Our lizard
brains dictate that we shoot that which we find pleasing to look at,
be it sunsets, flowers, cats or women.

But there is more to it than that. Females as a photographic subject
are easier to shoot  gives you more options. You can make them look
strong, demure, angry, sexy etc and the images will work.

Not too many male models appreciate looking demure  effeminate. The
most common looks for photos of males are moody, angry  strong. That
gets boring IMO (I've not shot male nudes, but I have done a few shirt
off portrait/figure shoots).

Also it's more difficult to find blokes willing to get their wang out
in a photo  those that do tend to have exhibitionist tendencies (this
is based on the experiences of a couple of photographer friends who
worked with guys on fine art nude projects).

I've tried to organize shoots with guys to get more testosterone into
my portfolio of studio work, but the talent pool is a lot smaller, the
types of people I really want to shoot (male fitness types) are
flighty  unreliable. Iif you think women are the only ones with body
image issues, you've never met a bodybuilder between competitions.

Cheers,

Dave

On 26 November 2013 02:28, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe I will...

 However, in the meanwhile my solution is to not comment on female nudes until 
 a more equitable ratio of female to male nudes is presented.

 As I said earlier, last thing I would do is tell anyone what they should or 
 shouldn't photograph.

 Cheers,
 frank

 John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think Paul had a point though. If YOU think it's a problem, YOU are
the one who should do something about supplying a solution.


On 11/25/2013 12:32 AM, knarf wrote:
 I don't have a hang up on nudity at all. I'm not offended by seeing
 naked bodies, either male or female.

 I also disagree with statements that the female body is more
 aesthetically pleasing than the male. It's different but not more
 beautiful. Some of the best nudes I've seen are of men.

 I can be sexually aroused by a woman's body but that's not a problem
 either.

 It's that we simply don't show male nudes here. It doesn't have to
 be 50/50; I don't know what it should be, just that the ratio here
 is not right. That's treating men and women differently when it comes
 to body portrayals and while I won't say it's wrong I will say I
 don't like it.

 Cheers, frank

 Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 I understand your point Frank, but I think that Paul has a valid
 point. Women are much more aesthetically pleasing than men to
 many. I don't object to either male or female nudes really. Its
 2013, not 1892, but that's me. Mind you this is also coming from
 the guy that wishes more women wore dresses and knew how to cook (a
 dying breed), so maybe I'm just old fashioned in my own ways. I
 guess you object to women being the focus. Fair enough, but for
 what its worth not many people desire to see naked men. When it
 comes to women though, even completely straight females seem to
 appreciate the female form. I've had countless women tell me that
 they vastly prefer to look at other females nude, so maybe there is
 something to that. I'm not gay or female so I'm generally not
 attracted to men. Nudes are a form of fine art photography that
 have stretched back to the pictorialism era and have dominated
 works of art since men started painting on caves and throwing
 pottery. Actually I think that there really isn't objectification
 going on and that is your own hangups about nudity projecting here,
 but I don't know you so maybe I'm totally off base. This is an age
 old debate that I think our society would benefit from moving on
 from and becoming more accepting of the human form.


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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Miserere
Larry,

This one's for you:

http://bit.ly/1fHdw5e

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On 26 November 2013 14:02, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 08:02:48AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Ah! I think I understand what you are really having an issue with in
 these shots, Larry: it's that the photographer is objectifying the
 motorcycle.

 Exactly.  It's terrible when they dehumanize fine motorcycles like that.

 :-)

 More seriously, I see a spectrum that goes something like:

 The human body as a compositional element.
 The human body as something beautiful, or at least visually interesting.
 The model as a sexual being.
 The model's ONLY purpose is as a sexual being.

 For me, there is a key difference between the last two, and a lot
 of cheesecake seems to dress and pose the women to convey that
 these women are beautiful in part because they are too dumb and
 helpless to do anything but be sexual objects for the pleasure of
 others.

 Admittedly, I might be more attracted to such women if we didn't
 bore each other to tears. They tend not to have anything to talk
 about that I find at all interesting, and I tend not to have
 anything to talk about that they find interesting, or in many
 cases, in a way that they understand. In normal conversation,
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PESO - Modesty (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
More messenger follies:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/modestly.html?m=1

Balancing, balancing...

;-)

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome. 

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PESO - The Flowering corn plant redux

2013-11-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele


This year: In fact, Yesterday, 11/25

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2933484629_FkVKwzX/Medium

ISO 800, hand held AWB  Pentax k-5


Last year:
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2269117846_PqBcg7S/Medium

ISO 800, tri-pod used, Pentax istD

I'm hoping in a week or so there will be large blossoms and a heady 
fragrance


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Re: PESO - Modesty (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Another very amusing one, and colour too! Not really NSFW though;
disappointing. :-)

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 More messenger follies:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/modestly.html?m=1

 Balancing, balancing...

 ;-)

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - The Flowering corn plant redux

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Very nice. Tough to get plants to flower indoors.

Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 
 This year: In fact, Yesterday, 11/25
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2933484629_FkVKwzX/Medium
 
 ISO 800, hand held AWB  Pentax k-5
 
 
 Last year:
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2269117846_PqBcg7S/Medium
 
 ISO 800, tri-pod used, Pentax istD
 
 I'm hoping in a week or so there will be large blossoms and a heady fragrance
 
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Re: PESO - Modesty (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
A hoot!

Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 6:56 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 More messenger follies:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/modestly.html?m=1
 
 Balancing, balancing...
 
 ;-)
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome. 
 
 Cheers,
 frank
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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread David Mann
On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:32 am, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote:

 Your wife is very, very lucky.
 My congratulations :)
 
 By the way, is she a physical geometrician?
 Or, a cubist?

She studied chemistry but she was better at maths than I was.

Continuing the nerd theme I gave her a copy of Simon Singh's new book about 
mathematics in The Simpsons.  Looking forward to reading it after she's 
finished it.

Thanks for all the kind responses everyone, it was a blast to make and is quite 
delicious.  It's just strangely-shaped lamingtons made from a home-made sponge 
cake.  I was up until nearly midnight making it so I'm paying for it today!

Cheers,
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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:55:24PM -0500, Miserere wrote:
 Larry,
 
 This one's for you:
 
 http://bit.ly/1fHdw5e

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PESO 2013 - 165 - GDG

2013-11-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not my usual kind of photo, but I was up early this morning, doing something in 
the kitchen, and all of a sudden there was a light as if the buildings across 
the way had been lit on fire. I figured I should take a snap and find it 
interesting … 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11076556733/

The moment only lasted about 90 seconds or so, but that old star lit it up nice 
out there.
Thanks for looking. 

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Re: PESO 2013 - 165 - GDG

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
Wow, just beautiful!

Cheers,
frank

Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
Not my usual kind of photo, but I was up early this morning, doing
something in the kitchen, and all of a sudden there was a light as if
the buildings across the way had been lit on fire. I figured I should
take a snap and find it interesting … 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11076556733/

The moment only lasted about 90 seconds or so, but that old star lit it
up nice out there.
Thanks for looking. 

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
Or, invite me over. I'll take pictures.

I'm secure enough with my heterosexuality to take pix of nekkid guys.

Cheers,
frank

Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 13:36, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 11/25/2013 3:35 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
 On 25/11/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated
 differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're
different.
 Walt, I love you man.
 The feeling is mutual, Cotty!
 

If you two decide to shower together, make sure you get some photos for
Frank.

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Re: PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread John
Don't the Japanese have that communal bathing thing? That probably 
affects how they perceive public nudity.


On 11/25/2013 10:42 PM, knarf wrote:

Only happens occasionally. And for some reason Japanese messengers do it more 
than others. And Boston messengers too. Don't know why.

I have one more. Will likely post in a day or two.

Must address the imbalance.

;-)

Cheers,
frank

Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

This is one instance where even more grain and less sharpness would be
quite acceptable -- desirable even. ;-)

It's actually pretty amusing and gives me new respect for your ability
to get invited to really happening parties. Nobody ever gets naked at
any parties _I'm_ invited to.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com
wrote:

Balance.

I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to

messenger parties once in a while:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1

Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy.

;-)

Comments? If you must.

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PESO - Brooklyn Diner

2013-11-26 Thread Rick Womer
It's in Manhattan. Wanna make sumpin' of it?

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17597035size=lg

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Re: PESO: Bicycle racers from a couple of years ago

2013-11-26 Thread John

On 11/25/2013 9:58 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d905610sq.htm





I DO like the rendering, but none of 'em appear to be nekkid.

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

I'm sure the experience would remove any lingering doubts, in any event.

-- Walt


On 11/26/2013 7:24 PM, knarf wrote:

Or, invite me over. I'll take pictures.

I'm secure enough with my heterosexuality to take pix of nekkid guys.

Cheers,
frank

Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

On 26 Nov 2013, at 13:36, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

On 11/25/2013 3:35 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
On 25/11/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:


The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated
differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're

different.

Walt, I love you man.

The feeling is mutual, Cotty!


If you two decide to shower together, make sure you get some photos for
Frank.

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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread John
French Quarter is de rigueur, but if you want to avoid touristy, 
perhaps concentrate on architectural detail  go for abstraction.


Examples (not my own, but conveys the kind of idea I'm thinking of:

http://www.photoshelter.com/img-get/IXMOVDWFSdtw/s/400/600/French-Quarter-007.jpg

http://journeyinspired.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/beauregard-keyes-wrought-iron-detail-2.jpg

http://followyourcrazy.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/quarterscenes2.jpg

I'm thinking take an inspiration from some recent PESOS from someone's 
tour of the southwestern U.S.  a cycling trip to Italy.


On 11/26/2013 3:38 PM, Walt wrote:

So, it looks like I'll be going on a little road trip with a friend next
week, to New Orleans.

Anybody have any suggestions for where to go for photographic purposes?
(Hell isn't an option. Sorry.)

I'd like to get interesting shots, rather than provide a vicarious
sight-seeing tour for potential viewers when I get back. So any
interesting places you may be able to point me to would be much
appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread John

On 11/25/2013 2:22 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013, Walt wrote:


The question seems to boil down to why women and men are treated
differently as photographic subjects. Well, it's because they're
different.


...and why do you think they're different?



Vive la différence!

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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread John

On 11/25/2013 5:04 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


How this balance be achieved? Surely we can't ask people who have no
interest in a particular kind of photography (male nudes) to take up
that kind of photography?


Selfies!




NOT ON YOUR TINTYPE!

As has been pointed out before, there's a reason some of us choose to be 
behind the camera.


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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

Thanks, Steve! I'm sure I'll end up on Bourbon St. at some point.

And, if I'm able to fit it into my schedule and budget, I'll definitely 
make it a point to visit the WWII museum.


-- Walt


On 11/26/2013 5:00 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote:

Bourbon St and surroundings obviously.   Also, pictures or not, I would 
strongly recommend the WWII museum. It's $30 but well worth it.

Steve Desjardins

On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


So, it looks like I'll be going on a little road trip with a friend next week, 
to New Orleans.

Anybody have any suggestions for where to go for photographic purposes? (Hell 
isn't an option. Sorry.)

I'd like to get interesting shots, rather than provide a vicarious sight-seeing 
tour for potential viewers when I get back. So any interesting places you may 
be able to point me to would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

Thanks for the ideas, John.

I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to 
expect. My only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know 
how accurate those portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any 
vampires or voodoo priests, I'll do my best to get documentary evidence.)


I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the 
parts that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail 
is something I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading 
up on it in the meantime.


Thanks again!

-- Walt

On 11/26/2013 8:19 PM, John wrote:
French Quarter is de rigueur, but if you want to avoid touristy, 
perhaps concentrate on architectural detail  go for abstraction.


Examples (not my own, but conveys the kind of idea I'm thinking of:

http://www.photoshelter.com/img-get/IXMOVDWFSdtw/s/400/600/French-Quarter-007.jpg 



http://journeyinspired.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/beauregard-keyes-wrought-iron-detail-2.jpg 



http://followyourcrazy.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/quarterscenes2.jpg

I'm thinking take an inspiration from some recent PESOS from someone's 
tour of the southwestern U.S.  a cycling trip to Italy.


On 11/26/2013 3:38 PM, Walt wrote:

So, it looks like I'll be going on a little road trip with a friend next
week, to New Orleans.

Anybody have any suggestions for where to go for photographic purposes?
(Hell isn't an option. Sorry.)

I'd like to get interesting shots, rather than provide a vicarious
sight-seeing tour for potential viewers when I get back. So any
interesting places you may be able to point me to would be much
appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Walt






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Re: TA

2013-11-26 Thread John

I don't photograph nudes.

Long ago I looked into a mirror and asked myself how *I* would react if 
I were an attractive woman and someone who looked like me asked me to 
pose in the nude. An honest answer included lots of screaming, pepper 
spray  restraining orders, so I decided to pursue other photographic 
endeavors.


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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread John

On 11/26/2013 3:37 PM, David Mann wrote:

I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

Here it is with candles lit...

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake.  
Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and probably 
make them too fragile to coat.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Modesty (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I love the image!  Where did you find that model???

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 More messenger follies:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/modestly.html?m=1

 Balancing, balancing...

 ;-)

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Stan Halpin

On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Walt wrote:

 Thanks for the ideas, John.
 
 I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. 
 My only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know how accurate 
 those portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any vampires or voodoo 
 priests, I'll do my best to get documentary evidence.)
 
 I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the 
 parts that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail is 
 something I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading up on 
 it in the meantime.
 

I was there a couple of years ago (3rd visit). There for a conference, no time 
on my own for photography beyond grab shots on Bourbon St  environs. Which is 
basically a pleasant enough amusement park. But what struck me as the essence 
of the city 2010 version was the number of damaged and abandoned buildings 
that were relics of Katrina. Schools, hospitals, homes, neighborhoods... Look 
for the continuing signs of Katrina and, for balance, look for the rebuilding 
projects.

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Re: PESO - Brooklyn Diner

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Ah, yes;  the Finer Diner.  I know it well, and have photographed it
a number of times, although I have never eaten there.

I like your image a lot.  I think the woman in the foreground is well
positioned, and adds quite a bit of interest to the scene.

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It's in Manhattan. Wanna make sumpin' of it?

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17597035size=lg

 (K-5, DA 16-45)

 Comments?

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Re: PESO - Brooklyn Diner

2013-11-26 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Dan!  Several people walked by, but she fit my concept the best.

(I didn't eat there either).

Rick

On Nov 26, 2013, at 22:15 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Ah, yes;  the Finer Diner.  I know it well, and have photographed it
 a number of times, although I have never eaten there.
 
 I like your image a lot.  I think the woman in the foreground is well
 positioned, and adds quite a bit of interest to the scene.
 
 Dan Matyola
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 It's in Manhattan. Wanna make sumpin' of it?
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17597035size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I enjoyed trying to photograph the St Charles Ave trolleys, from the
inside and the outside.  The Garden District has some interesting
structures and locales, as does Audubon Park.  There are nice river
views, with some interesting boats, and people watching along the
Moon Walk.  Also, the Aquarium has a lot of interesting things to
see and shoot.

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Walt wrote:

 Thanks for the ideas, John.

 I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. 
 My only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know how accurate 
 those portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any vampires or voodoo 
 priests, I'll do my best to get documentary evidence.)

 I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the 
 parts that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail is 
 something I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading up on 
 it in the meantime.


 I was there a couple of years ago (3rd visit). There for a conference, no 
 time on my own for photography beyond grab shots on Bourbon St  environs. 
 Which is basically a pleasant enough amusement park. But what struck me as 
 the essence of the city 2010 version was the number of damaged and 
 abandoned buildings that were relics of Katrina. Schools, hospitals, homes, 
 neighborhoods... Look for the continuing signs of Katrina and, for balance, 
 look for the rebuilding projects.

 stan


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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

On 11/26/2013 9:13 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Walt wrote:


Thanks for the ideas, John.

I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. My 
only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know how accurate those 
portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any vampires or voodoo priests, 
I'll do my best to get documentary evidence.)

I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the parts 
that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail is something 
I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading up on it in the 
meantime.


I was there a couple of years ago (3rd visit). There for a conference, no time on my own for 
photography beyond grab shots on Bourbon St  environs. Which is basically a pleasant 
enough amusement park. But what struck me as the essence of the city 2010 version 
was the number of damaged and abandoned buildings that were relics of Katrina. Schools, 
hospitals, homes, neighborhoods... Look for the continuing signs of Katrina and, for balance, 
look for the rebuilding projects.

stan

Thank you, Stan.

I was wondering how much of the city had recovered from Katrina. No 
doubt there are plenty of reminders and some great successes in its wake.


-- Walt

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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Walt

Thanks, Dan!

Someone else in another forum mentioned Louis Armstrong Park for local 
flavor, and I may have to add Audubon Park and the Moon Walk to the 
itinerary.


I appreciate the tips!

-- Walt




On 11/26/2013 9:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I enjoyed trying to photograph the St Charles Ave trolleys, from the
inside and the outside.  The Garden District has some interesting
structures and locales, as does Audubon Park.  There are nice river
views, with some interesting boats, and people watching along the
Moon Walk.  Also, the Aquarium has a lot of interesting things to
see and shoot.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Walt wrote:


Thanks for the ideas, John.

I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. My 
only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know how accurate those 
portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any vampires or voodoo priests, 
I'll do my best to get documentary evidence.)

I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the parts 
that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail is something 
I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading up on it in the 
meantime.


I was there a couple of years ago (3rd visit). There for a conference, no time on my own for 
photography beyond grab shots on Bourbon St  environs. Which is basically a pleasant 
enough amusement park. But what struck me as the essence of the city 2010 version 
was the number of damaged and abandoned buildings that were relics of Katrina. Schools, 
hospitals, homes, neighborhoods... Look for the continuing signs of Katrina and, for balance, 
look for the rebuilding projects.

stan


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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I forgot about Louis Armstrong Park.  It's off Bourbon Street, IIRC,
and has statues of Jazz greats.  There was usually a band playing
there, and a place to buy cafe au lait and beignets.  It's a good spot
for people watching, as are Cafe du Monde and the area around St Louis
Cathedral.

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Dan!

 Someone else in another forum mentioned Louis Armstrong Park for local
 flavor, and I may have to add Audubon Park and the Moon Walk to the
 itinerary.

 I appreciate the tips!

 -- Walt




 On 11/26/2013 9:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 I enjoyed trying to photograph the St Charles Ave trolleys, from the
 inside and the outside.  The Garden District has some interesting
 structures and locales, as does Audubon Park.  There are nice river
 views, with some interesting boats, and people watching along the
 Moon Walk.  Also, the Aquarium has a lot of interesting things to
 see and shoot.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Walt wrote:

 Thanks for the ideas, John.

 I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to
 expect. My only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know how
 accurate those portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any vampires
 or voodoo priests, I'll do my best to get documentary evidence.)

 I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the
 parts that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail is
 something I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading up on
 it in the meantime.

 I was there a couple of years ago (3rd visit). There for a conference, no
 time on my own for photography beyond grab shots on Bourbon St  environs.
 Which is basically a pleasant enough amusement park. But what struck me as
 the essence of the city 2010 version was the number of damaged and
 abandoned buildings that were relics of Katrina. Schools, hospitals, homes,
 neighborhoods... Look for the continuing signs of Katrina and, for balance,
 look for the rebuilding projects.

 stan


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Re: PESO - Brooklyn Diner

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. Is it on 57th? I think it was a Chinese restaurant when I worked at 
Hearst. I recognize the stairs on the foreground.

Paul via phone

 On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Dan!  Several people walked by, but she fit my concept the best.
 
 (I didn't eat there either).
 
 Rick
 
 On Nov 26, 2013, at 22:15 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 Ah, yes;  the Finer Diner.  I know it well, and have photographed it
 a number of times, although I have never eaten there.
 
 I like your image a lot.  I think the woman in the foreground is well
 positioned, and adds quite a bit of interest to the scene.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
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 It's in Manhattan. Wanna make sumpin' of it?
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17597035size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
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Re: PESO 2013 - 165 - GDG

2013-11-26 Thread Jack Davis
Worthy of  snapping, Godfrey. Here in central CA, we had clouds that were as 
red as I've ever seen. Had I shot them, It would be assumed I'd juiced the 
color.

Jack
 
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Subject: PESO 2013 - 165 - GDG

Not my usual kind of photo, but I was up early this morning, doing something in 
the kitchen, and all of a sudden there was a light as if the buildings across 
the way had been lit on fire. I figured I should take a snap and find it 
interesting … 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11076556733/

The moment only lasted about 90 seconds or so, but that old star lit it up nice 
out there.
Thanks for looking. 

Godfrey
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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread David Mann
On Nov 27, 2013, at 3:42 pm, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I get that it's a Tetris cake, but is there any specific meaning to that fact 
 that I'm missing?

Nope, just a Tetris cake :)

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Bicycle racers from a couple of years ago

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
What a dramatic image!   Great action, great light, great timing.

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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d905610sq.htm


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Re: PESO - Modesty (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
The party was after a messenger race. It also was the model's birthday. A few 
minutes before Modesty was snapped Toby was doing this:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/09/toby-and-friend.html?m=1

I do believe there was a cause and effect thing happening.   ;-)

Thanks for the comment, Dan.  Thanks to Paul and Bruce. Always lots of fun 
shots to be had at these events.

Cheers,
frank

Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
I love the image!  Where did you find that model???

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com
wrote:
 More messenger follies:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/11/modestly.html?m=1

 Balancing, balancing...

 ;-)

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

 Cheers,
 frank
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Re: PESO - Jesse and Moto (nsfw)

2013-11-26 Thread knarf
Thanks, Godfrey! 

Jesse won the race, promptly passed out and revived himself by the end of the 
party:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/10/mcgarr.html?m=1

I don't know how these kids do it. 

;-)

Thanks to all who commented and looked.

Cheers,
frank

Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
Grand photo. Wonderful expression and gesture in it. 
Yeah he's naked. So what? He's got nice legs, as I'd expect a bicyclist
to have. I mean, most of the bicyclists around here wear spandex and
lycra … they aren't hiding anything. 

Perfectly safe for work in my office… 

I like this so much more than posed nudes. :-) thanks frank!

G

On Nov 25, 2013, at 4:23 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Balance.
 
 I didn't think I had any male nudes but then I remembered I go to
messenger parties once in a while:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/11/jesse-and-moto.html?m=1
 
 Not terribly artistic but hey, it's a naked guy.
 
 ;-)
 
 Comments? If you must.

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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Ken Waller
You really must have a beignet from Cafe Du Monde 
http://www.cafedumonde.com/ a great place for a coffee, a pastry and some 
people watching.


Been to New Orleans for several trials, never had the time to explore the 
city much, but always had the time for Cafe Du Monde.


Kenneth Waller
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From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA



On 11/26/2013 9:13 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Walt wrote:


Thanks for the ideas, John.

I've never been to New Orleans before, so I'm not quite sure what to 
expect. My only exposure to it has been via TV  film, and we all know 
how accurate those portrayals can be. (Though, if I do happen upon any 
vampires or voodoo priests, I'll do my best to get documentary 
evidence.)


I'd really like to try capturing the essence of the city rather than the 
parts that hit you over the head as a tourist. The architectural detail 
is something I'd been contemplating, so I'm going to do a little reading 
up on it in the meantime.


I was there a couple of years ago (3rd visit). There for a conference, no 
time on my own for photography beyond grab shots on Bourbon St  
environs. Which is basically a pleasant enough amusement park. But what 
struck me as the essence of the city 2010 version was the number of 
damaged and abandoned buildings that were relics of Katrina. Schools, 
hospitals, homes, neighborhoods... Look for the continuing signs of 
Katrina and, for balance, look for the rebuilding projects.


stan

Thank you, Stan.

I was wondering how much of the city had recovered from Katrina. No doubt 
there are plenty of reminders and some great successes in its wake.


-- Walt



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Re: PESO: Birthday Cake

2013-11-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

It's adorable! but now I'm hungry and its after midnight

ann

On 11/26/2013 15:37, David Mann wrote:

I was up until 11:30 last night making this cake for my wife's birthday :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/710/#peso

Here it is with candles lit...

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/711/#peso

I'd like to have used more pieces but that would have needed a lot more cake.


  Cutting the pieces smaller would have been a bit fiddly to cut and 
probably


 make them too fragile to coat.


Cheers,
Dave




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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Jackson Square is a must.

also, head for The Garden District for a nice walk-about.

I'll confess I haven't been there since the year before Katrina, but I 
think the French Quarter and the Garden District were not so much 
altered by that storm.


But the main thing to do in New Orleans is eat :-)

ann


On 11/26/2013 18:00, Steve Desjardins wrote:

Bourbon St and surroundings obviously.   Also, pictures or not, I would 
strongly recommend the WWII museum. It's $30 but well worth it.

Steve Desjardins

On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


So, it looks like I'll be going on a little road trip with a friend next week, 
to New Orleans.

Anybody have any suggestions for where to go for photographic purposes? (Hell 
isn't an option. Sorry.)

I'd like to get interesting shots, rather than provide a vicarious sight-seeing 
tour for potential viewers when I get back. So any interesting places you may 
be able to point me to would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: Upcoming trip: NOLA

2013-11-26 Thread Igor Roshchin

Walt,

Here are some thoughts:

I would recommend going to Frenchman Street, - while this has many
tourists (which part of NOLA doesn't?), it has several interesting 
musical bars, and you can find some interesting music most of the
days/nights. My personal preference would be The Spotted Cat:
http://www.spottedcatmusicclub.com/ - they have nice blues and jazz.

I would look for some small-house architecture that is of typical 
Louisiana style.

Also, not far from Bourbon street, there is Royal Street that usually
has musicians playing daytime (at least on the weekend).
It's been a while, but close to the corner Royal and St. Louis there
used to live a couple of jazz bands (Loose Marbles and
G-Strings [G-String FAmily Orchestra/Quarter, - depending on the number
of people]). And you could find a piano in the entryway of one of the
buildings on Royal that belonged to those bands.
On a good day, that piano would come out onto the street.
And you would find people dancing swing on the street, e.g. like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZISKM9KaWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HU1wgSQUME

I would also recommend going to Preservation Hall for an evening
performance you can make it.


HTH,

Igor



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DPReview: K-500 for beginners

2013-11-26 Thread Aahz Maruch
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Re: PESO - The Flowering corn plant redux

2013-11-26 Thread Alan C
Very interesting, Ann. Dracaenas are not frost tolerant so presumably yours 
is growing indoors? They are indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa. I have 
several species growing wild in my equally wild garden. Related Cordylines 
too.  They flower every year but only two give off that heady fragrance you 
speak of in the early evening. A favourite haunt of hawk moths  other 
insects. I'll do a GESO sometime.


Alan C

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From: Ann Sanfedele

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:00 AM
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Subject: PESO - The Flowering corn plant redux


This year: In fact, Yesterday, 11/25

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2933484629_FkVKwzX/Medium

ISO 800, hand held AWB  Pentax k-5


Last year:
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Botanical-Gardens/7966405_SrB5XV/1/2269117846_PqBcg7S/Medium

ISO 800, tri-pod used, Pentax istD

I'm hoping in a week or so there will be large blossoms and a heady
fragrance

ann

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