RE: ISBN and self-published books

2010-10-02 Thread Bob W
 From: David J Brooks
  and isbn is.
 
  Colour me stupid
 
 International Standard Book Number
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number
 
 Google ISBN 9781450709507
 
 Not knowing something don't make you stupid. Not asking when you don't
 know does.

Indeed. But that doesn't mean he's not stupid...

Big smiley - ;o)



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RE: PESO 2010 - 152, 153 - GDG

2010-10-02 Thread Bob W
congratulations - enjoy.

 thanks!
 we're in at last, all keys and such for the apartment handed back.
 wot a pain. but worth it.
 
 now to sort out the office and get back into business.
 
 
 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Good luck with the move!  We hate moving (once moved 5 times in 4
 years), so we're very happy having been in the same place for 24 years.
 
  Rick
 
  http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
  --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 
  From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com
  Subject: PESO 2010 - 152, 153 - GDG
  To: SeePhoto Talk seeph...@micapeak.com, PAW Picture-A-Week
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 DUG
  digitalusersgr...@yahoogroups.com, PDML List PDML@pdml.net
  Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 12:02 PM A new blog post for your
  enjoyment.
 
    http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/moving
 
  Comments always appreciated, thanks for looking!
 
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Re: PESO: Saahwing, battah!

2010-10-02 Thread David Mann
On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twins_game/content/IMGP5190_large.html

Fantastic shot.  You timed it very well.

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About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread Thibouille
A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
Falconeyes Flash system

Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to
get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing
faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I
need to do the job I'm asked to).
The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to
withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple
minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are
rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories.
He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).

The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough
when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be
negotiated).

Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros
and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro
studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just
guess, I have no idea why.
I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my
electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
(tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
what's the point?

I'm clueless about lighting, really.
Thanks for all your suggestions

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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread eckinator
2010/10/2 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 Well, to the extent that they reduce a business cost, but what I mean is
 Pentax doesn't make X number of Dollars, Euro, Yen ... profit off of each
 repair as was implied.

 It's just a bad business practice to manufacture shoddy goods, and then
 expect to make money off of repairing defects, especially if you don't
 actually repair the defects meaning the item has to be repaired again and
 again.

 If Pentax does that, they won't be in business long. They've got their
 faults as a company, but I just don't think they're that stupid.

agreed. not as a business objective and repairs aren't a profit center
either I hope but I'd think parts are cost (including warehousing and
administration) plus X and I'd think there'd be a kickback of sorts
from CRIS also but can't know for a fact of course. Amen to the shoddy
goods bit though, SDM doesn't cut it - I just hope DC does...
Ecke

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Re: ISBN and self-published books

2010-10-02 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

and isbn is.

Improvisational Spelling, Brooks Notation.

Oh wait, it's really International Standard Book Number. It's a number
you assign to a book that makes it part of the international catalogue
of published works. It's needed if you hope for any kind of
distribution but also helps your book show up in Internet searches,
etc. You'll find the ISBN of a book listed on its copyright page and
usually also on the back cover (in the form of a barcode).



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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist
In general, you're much better off with the flash units. I'm not familiar with 
Falcon Eye products. They're made in China, but that may not be damning. 300 
watt second is adequate power for a small studio. I use Studio Pro 300 watt 
second monolight flashes in my small studio, and they're adequate for anything 
I do. I can easily get f 11 light -- far more than I usually want for even a 
head to toe shot of a model. 
Paul

On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
 Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
 Falconeyes Flash system
 
 Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to
 get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing
 faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I
 need to do the job I'm asked to).
 The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to
 withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple
 minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are
 rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories.
 He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).
 
 The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough
 when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be
 negotiated).
 
 Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros
 and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro
 studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just
 guess, I have no idea why.
 I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my
 electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
 Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
 (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
 what's the point?
 
 I'm clueless about lighting, really.
 Thanks for all your suggestions
 
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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:02 AM, eckinator wrote:

 2010/10/2 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 
 Well, to the extent that they reduce a business cost, but what I mean is
 Pentax doesn't make X number of Dollars, Euro, Yen ... profit off of each
 repair as was implied.
 
 It's just a bad business practice to manufacture shoddy goods, and then
 expect to make money off of repairing defects, especially if you don't
 actually repair the defects meaning the item has to be repaired again and
 again.
 
 If Pentax does that, they won't be in business long. They've got their
 faults as a company, but I just don't think they're that stupid.
 
 agreed. not as a business objective and repairs aren't a profit center
 either I hope but I'd think parts are cost (including warehousing and
 administration) plus X and I'd think there'd be a kickback of sorts
 from CRIS also but can't know for a fact of course. Amen to the shoddy
 goods bit though, SDM doesn't cut it - I just hope DC does...
 Ecke

What's DC? Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and Celio 
did. Has anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely curious.
 I have three that SDM lenses I've used extensively since they were first 
released, and they work very well. Maybe I got lucky. Or perhaps failures are 
magnified on the web, because the victims complain loudly, while those of us 
who are satisfied are mum for the most part.
Paul

 
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Re: Large List of For Sale Items, some really good stuff

2010-10-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Here's another large list of items for sale. Some are, indeed, really
good: http://auction.eastmanhouse.org/




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Peso Final approach

2010-10-02 Thread David J Brooks
Managed to get a few decent jay shots after work last night.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11734400

K10D, D FA 50-200, AF360 at -1.0 EV, ISO 1250

Comments welcome

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Re: PESO: Saahwing, battah!

2010-10-02 Thread David J Brooks
Thats a good shot.

Sorry we beat you guys.

Dave

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 I had the good fortune of getting tickets to a ballgame last night from my 
 company.

 At one point I went a few rows forward.  Just a few.  I couldn't stay there 
 for the whole game, but they let me hang for a few minutes.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/twins_game/content/IMGP5190_large.html

 Stats:

 1/125 sec at f / 7...@80 mm
 ISO 1000
 PENTAX K-7
 smc PENTAX-F 80-200mm F4.7-5.6

 Hey, wait!  I thought you couldn't use high-ISO on the K-7.

 Too bad we lost, 13-2!  Otherwise fun times.


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread Steve Sharpe



On top of all that, I'm retired on a fixed income that's fixed a 
little lower than I'm happy with. If I got to make a choice between 
eating and gear acquisition, I think I have enough will-power to do 
the right thing.


What, go on a diet?

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OT: Handluftpumpe

2010-10-02 Thread Bob W
From the NYC Bike Snob blog, which informs us that it's not safe for work
especially if you work in the late 19th century, this early form of Viagra
must be where the word 'pumpernickel' comes from:

http://tinyurl.com/5bkrlu

http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2009/07/up-in-air-dangers-of-cycling.html

I should point out that it's not safe for home either. 

Or any other place you might consider trying it.

Trust me.

And while we're down here in the gutter, that guy could do with some head
too.

Bob


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
I made the same observation some time ago and the responses that I got 
suggested 
that nowadays there are other places in the net to have such technical 
conversation and that this list is more 'picture oriented' with all the PESO's 
and GESO's conversations, for instance.

Regards,
Jaume


- Mensaje original 
 De: John Celio n...@neovenator.com
 Para: PDML@pdml.net
 Enviado: sáb,2 octubre, 2010 00:00
 Asunto: It ain't like it used to be.
 
 I noticed something recently: there is not *nearly* as much discussion
 of new  Pentax cameras as there was just a few years ago here.  I
 remember  threads going for weeks when new products were announced, but
 that seems to  have been reduced to days or even hours sometimes.  It got
 me wondering: 
 
 Are we generally happy enough with current cameras that new  models
 aren't worth getting excited about?  Has the dSLR market reached  a point
 where new models are pretty much more of the same, with few  real
 innovations appearing with each new model, and thus don't warrant  much
 discussion?
 
 Or are we all just holding our tongues until Pentax  comes out with with
 either a 35mm-sensor'd or mirrorless body?  These  two camera categories
 seem to elicit the greatest response these days, even  though we're
 invariably talking about other brands and wishing out  loud.
 
 Just some things I've been wondering  about.
 
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Re: ISBN and self-published books

2010-10-02 Thread Ann Sanfedele

paul stenquist wrote:


On Oct 1, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

 


On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

   


and isbn is.
 


A dyslexic Norwegian playwright.

   


HAR! Very good. A two-part MARK!
damn! why didnt' I beat you to that!



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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Whenever a new technology is introduced, there is an explosion of interest 
followed by improvements at a rapid pace followed by a plateau where things 
sort of stay the same, followed by survival of the fittest as the best things 
survive and the others disappear.

This all reminds me of personal computer and software in about 1985-6. At one 
point, there were about 30 kinds of word processors all trying to make it to 
the top, some based on power, some based on user friendliness. One PC magazine 
had an issue devoted to a view of each (remember Einstein Writer, Perfect 
Writer, XyWrite II, Nota Bene, Volkswriter, WordStar, PFS Write, DisplayWrite, 
Leading Edge WP?). Over the next few years, all but WordPerfect and MS Word 
were pretty well weeded out, with a few other specialized word processors still 
alive. In digital, Canon and Nikon seem to have the pro market covered, and 
aren't too threatened by others. The sensor size of fourthirds and 
microfourthirds seems to keep them from threatening the Canon and Nikon pro 
SLRs, but compact cameras are where all of the excitement seems to be.

Pentax, for me, is squarely between the big flagship Canon and Nikon dSLRs 
(which feel like carrying a medium format camera to me) and the m4/3 cameras 
(which are more like a Rollei35). Carrying the Pentax K-x with a 43/1.9 is more 
comfortable and weighs less than a Leica M. The K-7 with a 31mm lens is 
heavier, but doesn't approach the big dSLRs in bulk.

Just my $02.

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Re: Peso Final approach

2010-10-02 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:00 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Managed to get a few decent jay shots after work last night.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11734400
 
 K10D, D FA 50-200, AF360 at -1.0 EV, ISO 1250
 
 Comments welcome

Great catch.  Are your jays and squirrels on  a first name basis or something?
 
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RE: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread John Sessoms

From: Thibouille

A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
Falconeyes Flash system

Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to
get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing
faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I
need to do the job I'm asked to).
The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to
withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple
minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are
rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories.
He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).

The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough
when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be
negotiated).

Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros
and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro
studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just
guess, I have no idea why.
I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my
electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
(tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
what's the point?

I'm clueless about lighting, really.
Thanks for all your suggestions


I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the 
electricity to power them.


Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes. 
Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor.


What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that 
continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes 
work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, 
continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do.


Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros 
doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high.


But that's just my opinion

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monitor shopping

2010-10-02 Thread Christine Nielsen
Hi all,

I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop  get a real monitor, to
be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
are my back  eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.

I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBarA=getItemDetailQ=sku=602072is=REGsi=rev#anchorToReadReviews

The price is right, and it comes well-recommended.  Anyone care to
disabuse me of this notion?  What am I missing by not going with a
$1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
Ultra Sharp...?  Are there others I should consider?  (I think we can
safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)

I'd also welcome any suggestions for other resources (online or in
print) to educate myself better on the whole topic.

Thanks in advance,

-c

ps:  thank you to Fernando for raising the calibration question in a
recent thread... I have taken notes...

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Re: Large List of For Sale Items, some really good stuff

2010-10-02 Thread John Sessoms

From: Mark Roberts

Here's another large list of items for sale. Some are, indeed, really
good: http://auction.eastmanhouse.org/



Mmmmph! Too rich for my blood.

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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...



What's DC? Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and 
Celio did. Has anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely 
curious.
I have three that SDM lenses I've used extensively since they were first 
released, and they work very well. Maybe I got lucky. Or perhaps failures 
are magnified on the web, because the victims complain loudly, while those 
of us who are satisfied are mum for the most part.


We rarely talk about equipment on list anyway. You go over to PentaxForums, 
which is much more gearheaded, and there are a whole lot of failures being 
talked about. My 60-250 failed while riding in a gadget bag, probably after 
less than 50 pictures (I can't say for sure because frigging Adobe STILL 
doesn't support that lens in Lightroom)
This is a technology which should have zero, or practically zero failure 
rate, but one of the wonks on PF indicated that the actual failure rate is 
closer to 5%.
If this is an accurate number, it is unacceptable in a high end and 
expensive product. Even if it is incorrect by a factor of 100%, it is still 
an unacceptably high failure rate. Canon has been doing in lens AF for some 
25 years now, and they have virtually no lens failures.
The fact that there is a perceived problem is indicative that there is a 
problem with these lenses, your bullshit luck to the contrary.


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread Thibouille
Thank you both for your input. Much appreciated.

Yes, stands are included.

2010/10/2, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 From: Thibouille
 A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
 Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
 Falconeyes Flash system

 Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to
 get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing
 faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I
 need to do the job I'm asked to).
 The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to
 withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple
 minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are
 rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories.
 He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).

 The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough
 when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be
 negotiated).

 Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros
 and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro
 studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just
 guess, I have no idea why.
 I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my
 electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
 Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
 (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
 what's the point?

 I'm clueless about lighting, really.
 Thanks for all your suggestions

 I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the
 electricity to power them.

 Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes.
 Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor.

 What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that
 continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes
 work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true,
 continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do.

 Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros
 doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high.

 But that's just my opinion

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Re: monitor shopping

2010-10-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Christine Nielsen wrote:

Hi all,

I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop  get a real monitor, to
be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
are my back  eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.

I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBarA=getItemDetailQ=sku=602072is=REGsi=rev#anchorToReadReviews

The price is right, and it comes well-recommended.  Anyone care to
disabuse me of this notion?  What am I missing by not going with a
$1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
Ultra Sharp...?  Are there others I should consider?  (I think we can
safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)

Looks good. According to the TFT Central database it uses a Samsung
S-PVA panel, which should be excellent. What you're mainly missing
with the more expensive models would be size and extra features (USB
connections, video input, built-in speakers, etc.)

Here's the CNET review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/nec-multisync-p221w/4505-3174_7-33416987.html#reviewPage1

TFT Central is the best source of information I've found:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

I have a blog post on picking a computer monitor:
http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=31


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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread P N Stenquist


On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:23 AM, William Robb wrote:



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What's DC? Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb  
and Celio did. Has anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm  
genuinely curious.
I have three that SDM lenses I've used extensively since they were  
first released, and they work very well. Maybe I got lucky. Or  
perhaps failures are magnified on the web, because the victims  
complain loudly, while those of us who are satisfied are mum for  
the most part.


We rarely talk about equipment on list anyway. You go over to  
PentaxForums, which is much more gearheaded, and there are a whole  
lot of failures being talked about. My 60-250 failed while riding in  
a gadget bag, probably after less than 50 pictures (I can't say for  
sure because frigging Adobe STILL doesn't support that lens in  
Lightroom)
This is a technology which should have zero, or practically zero  
failure rate, but one of the wonks on PF indicated that the actual  
failure rate is closer to 5%.
If this is an accurate number, it is unacceptable in a high end and  
expensive product. Even if it is incorrect by a factor of 100%, it  
is still an unacceptably high failure rate. Canon has been doing in  
lens AF for some 25 years now, and they have virtually no lens  
failures.
The fact that there is a perceived problem is indicative that there  
is a problem with these lenses, your bullshit luck to the contrary.


Doesn't Pentax Forum whine about everything? I believe there is a  
problem, but it's blown out of proportion. My lack of failures or luck  
isn't bullshit, it's fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a set of  
SDM lenses that get more use than mine.

Paul


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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread Carlos R



El 02/10/2010 13:26, paul stenquist escribió:

What's DC? Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and Celio 
did. Has anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely curious.
 I have three that SDM lenses I've used extensively since they were first 
released, and they work very well. Maybe I got lucky. Or perhaps failures are 
magnified on the web, because the victims complain loudly, while those of us 
who are satisfied are mum for the most part.
Paul


DC is a new type of AF motor in Pentaxland. It will appear first in 
their 18-135 WR zoom.

By the way, the SDM motor in my 50-135 also died, after very little use.

Carlos

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Re: Peso Final approach

2010-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling

 On 10/2/2010 10:46 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:00 AM, David J Brooks wrote:


Managed to get a few decent jay shots after work last night.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11734400

K10D, D FA 50-200, AF360 at -1.0 EV, ISO 1250

Comments welcome

Great catch.  Are your jays and squirrels on  a first name basis or something?


The title Final approach implies an impending death match...


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
 The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced 
florescent tubes for everything.  Didn't see a real tungsten light 
anywhere.  The lights ran much cooler.  I'm pretty sure that even small 
studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually.  I 
don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen.


On 10/2/2010 10:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Thibouille

A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
Falconeyes Flash system

Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to
get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing
faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I
need to do the job I'm asked to).
The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to
withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple
minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are
rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories.
He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).

The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough
when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be
negotiated).

Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros
and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro
studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just
guess, I have no idea why.
I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my
electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
(tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
what's the point?

I'm clueless about lighting, really.
Thanks for all your suggestions


I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the 
electricity to power them.


Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes. 
Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor.


What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that 
continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although 
strobes work for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, 
continuous lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do.


Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 
euros doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high.


But that's just my opinion




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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread William Robb


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Doesn't Pentax Forum whine about everything? I believe there is a 
problem, but it's blown out of proportion. My lack of failures or luck 
isn't bullshit, it's fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a set of  SDM 
lenses that get more use than mine.


They live to whine, but this doesn't mean they have nothing to whine about, 
and there are some pretty sharp cookies posting over there. The consensus 
among the techno types over there is that SDM failures are markedly high in 
lenses that see very little use, and substantially lower in  lenses that see 
quite a bit of use, so I suspect that your shooting pattern is what is 
keeping your lenses working.
Having said that, a lens shouldn't stop working from sitting for a few 
months in a camera bag.


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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread William Robb


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A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
Falconeyes Flash system


I'm not going to bother checking specs or ratings for you.
Presuming that the strobes are of reasonable quality, I would go with them. 
Presuming the strobes are crap and the hot lights are good, I'd give the hot 
lights a pass in favour of looking for good strobes.

In a nutshell, I would give hot lights a pass in any circumstance.

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread William Robb


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 The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced 
florescent tubes for everything.  Didn't see a real tungsten light 
anywhere.  The lights ran much cooler.  I'm pretty sure that even small 
studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually.  I don't 
think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen.


The problem with florescent lights is flicker, and you need to keep shutter 
speeds quite slow ensure that it isn't a problem.
I think you are pushing your luck shooting faster than 1/30 second with 
fluorescents, in Europe, where the AC cycles at 50 hz rather than 60hz, I'm 
guessing that shooting faster than 1/25second is asking for trouble.


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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 2, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Carlos R wrote:

 
 
 El 02/10/2010 13:26, paul stenquist escribió:
 What's DC? Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and 
 Celio did. Has anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely curious.
 I have three that SDM lenses I've used extensively since they were first 
 released, and they work very well. Maybe I got lucky. Or perhaps failures 
 are magnified on the web, because the victims complain loudly, while those 
 of us who are satisfied are mum for the most part.
 Paul
 
 DC is a new type of AF motor in Pentaxland. It will appear first in their 
 18-135 WR zoom.
 By the way, the SDM motor in my 50-135 also died, after very little use.
 
Well it's good to know they're working on a better version. Hopefuly, they'll 
also develop a reliable repair for existing lenses.
Paul

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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 2, 2010, at 12:39 PM, William Robb wrote:

 
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 From: P N Stenquist
 Subject: Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...
 
 
 Doesn't Pentax Forum whine about everything? I believe there is a problem, 
 but it's blown out of proportion. My lack of failures or luck isn't 
 bullshit, it's fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a set of  SDM lenses 
 that get more use than mine.
 
 They live to whine, but this doesn't mean they have nothing to whine about, 
 and there are some pretty sharp cookies posting over there. The consensus 
 among the techno types over there is that SDM failures are markedly high in 
 lenses that see very little use, and substantially lower in  lenses that see 
 quite a bit of use, so I suspect that your shooting pattern is what is 
 keeping your lenses working.
 Having said that, a lens shouldn't stop working from sitting for a few months 
 in a camera bag.

Agreed. I hope they at least are working on a good fix for repaired lenses. I 
don't use my 50-135 very often. 
Paul

 
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread Thibouille
My friend said he only knew one studio 'crazy enough' to use
continuous lighting?
Any serious studio would use strobes. But then that's just his take on
it which is why I asked.

Thanks for your take on it.

2010/10/2 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
  The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced
 florescent tubes for everything.  Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere.
  The lights ran much cooler.  I'm pretty sure that even small studio
 photographic lighting will be going that route eventually.  I don't think
 it's the best idea, but it is what will happen.

 On 10/2/2010 10:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Thibouille

 A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is
 Interfit tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous
 Falconeyes Flash system

 Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to
 get myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing
 faster than the only day I have a studio available (and in which I
 need to do the job I'm asked to).
 The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to
 withstand because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple
 minutes. But that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are
 rated 3200K but basicaly have no accessories.
 He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).

 The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
 2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough
 when I tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be
 negotiated).

 Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros
 and cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro
 studios would not work with continuous lighting but this is just
 guess, I have no idea why.
 I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my
 electricity bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
 Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
 (tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
 what's the point?

 I'm clueless about lighting, really.
 Thanks for all your suggestions

 I don't think there's a great deal of difference in the cost of the
 electricity to power them.

 Generally, I think PEOPLE will be more comfortable under the strobes.
 Continuous tungsten light does have the heat factor.

 What I'm seeing in school, where we are studying lighting, is that
 continuous lighting is used more for product lighting, although strobes work
 for that as well. The inverse does not appear to be true, continuous
 lighting does not work as well for people as strobes do.

 Does the two light strobe kit include the light stands? If so, 400 euros
 doesn't sound outrageous. If it does not, the price is too high.

 But that's just my opinion



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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread Thibouille
2010/10/2 William Robb war...@gmail.com:


 I'm not going to bother checking specs or ratings for you.

Sure, that's not what I asked and even if I did, I wouldn't expect you
or anyone else to do so.
If 300W is enough, I don't need anything else.

 Presuming that the strobes are of reasonable quality, I would go with them.
 Presuming the strobes are crap and the hot lights are good, I'd give the hot
 lights a pass in favour of looking for good strobes.
 In a nutshell, I would give hot lights a pass in any circumstance.

Message pretty clear and well received. Roger that ;)
Thank you!

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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread Thibouille
I didn't think about that William but to me you're right.
Even Palm devices years ago had to get a fix otherwise the screen
would flicker under Fluo lighting.
Often on TV they have that problem, Shot a Video of a CRT monitor and
you're in trouble rather quickly.

50Hz indeed in Europe. It'd suck to be such limited in Studio IMO
although there're probably a lot of other things of bigger importance.

2010/10/2 William Robb war...@gmail.com:

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 Subject: Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

  The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced
 florescent tubes for everything.  Didn't see a real tungsten light anywhere.
  The lights ran much cooler.  I'm pretty sure that even small studio
 photographic lighting will be going that route eventually.  I don't think
 it's the best idea, but it is what will happen.

 The problem with florescent lights is flicker, and you need to keep shutter
 speeds quite slow ensure that it isn't a problem.
 I think you are pushing your luck shooting faster than 1/30 second with
 fluorescents, in Europe, where the AC cycles at 50 hz rather than 60hz, I'm
 guessing that shooting faster than 1/25second is asking for trouble.

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Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

 Hi all,

From time to time, I see folks posting links to their images that have 
been accepted to the Pentax gallery.  So, I figured I'd register on the 
off-chance I take a shot that would be accepted for inclusion.  I tried 
yesterday, requesting the Artist Code so that I could complete the 
registration process, but haven't gotten a reply.  It's been my 
experience with other similar types of registrations that the process is 
instant; submit the request, and an email with the requested code shows 
up in your inbox a few seconds later.  But, still, I haven't received 
anything from the site.


Is this normal?  Am I going about things incorrectly, or is there some 
criteria that I have to meet in order to get an Artist Code?


Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.

Best,

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Walt, I don't have an artist code though I have a number of photos 
accepted in the gallery. I always go by my e-mail address and my 
password. It worked so far.


Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:20 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Hi all,

 From time to time, I see folks posting links to their images that have
been accepted to the Pentax gallery. So, I figured I'd register on the
off-chance I take a shot that would be accepted for inclusion. I tried
yesterday, requesting the Artist Code so that I could complete the
registration process, but haven't gotten a reply. It's been my
experience with other similar types of registrations that the process is
instant; submit the request, and an email with the requested code shows
up in your inbox a few seconds later. But, still, I haven't received
anything from the site.

Is this normal? Am I going about things incorrectly, or is there some
criteria that I have to meet in order to get an Artist Code?

Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.

Best,

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks, Boris.

I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find now, 
oddly enough), or something.  You wouldn't happen to have the correct 
URL for submissions handy by any chance, would you?  I'd greatly 
appreciate it.


Thanks again!

-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 12:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Walt, I don't have an artist code though I have a number of photos 
accepted in the gallery. I always go by my e-mail address and my 
password. It worked so far.


Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:20 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Hi all,

 From time to time, I see folks posting links to their images that have
been accepted to the Pentax gallery. So, I figured I'd register on the
off-chance I take a shot that would be accepted for inclusion. I tried
yesterday, requesting the Artist Code so that I could complete the
registration process, but haven't gotten a reply. It's been my
experience with other similar types of registrations that the process is
instant; submit the request, and an email with the requested code shows
up in your inbox a few seconds later. But, still, I haven't received
anything from the site.

Is this normal? Am I going about things incorrectly, or is there some
criteria that I have to meet in order to get an Artist Code?

Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.

Best,

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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread John Sessoms

From: Jeffery Smith

Whenever a new technology is introduced, there is an explosion of
interest followed by improvements at a rapid pace followed by a
plateau where things sort of stay the same, followed by survival of
the fittest as the best things survive and the others disappear.

This all reminds me of personal computer and software in about
1985-6. At one point, there were about 30 kinds of word processors
all trying to make it to the top, some based on power, some based on
user friendliness. One PC magazine had an issue devoted to a view of
each (remember Einstein Writer, Perfect Writer, XyWrite II, Nota
Bene, Volkswriter, WordStar, PFS Write, DisplayWrite, Leading Edge
WP?)


Come to think of it, I have a copy of Professional Write (later version 
of PFS Write AFAIK) somewhere around the house. It was about as close to 
typing on a type-writer as a word processor came.


Easy formatting, you want at tab click on the ruler where you want the 
tab to be; want to indent, drag the margin; CTRL+B = Bold, CTRL+I = 
Italics, CTRL+U = underline; highlight, cut  paste and you've about 
exhausted the formatting options.


No auto-format; no need to get all wrapped around the axle fighting the 
program to get it to do what you want to do like with M$ Word. Didn't 
have to tell it how you want to do things, you just did them.


Wonder if it would run under Vista in a DOS box?

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Walter, I am not sure what you're talking about. To submit my pics I do 
this:


* I point my browser to http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist
* I enter my e-mail address and PPG password
* I click on Upload photos and go from there.

Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:30 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks, Boris.

I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find now,
oddly enough), or something. You wouldn't happen to have the correct URL
for submissions handy by any chance, would you? I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks again!

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Re: monitor shopping

2010-10-02 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks, Mark!

I first stumbled on that model over at cnet, but I've not been to
TFTCentral before.  Great info on your page, too -- much appreciated!

-c

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 Christine Nielsen wrote:

Hi all,

I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop  get a real monitor, to
be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
are my back  eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.

I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBarA=getItemDetailQ=sku=602072is=REGsi=rev#anchorToReadReviews

The price is right, and it comes well-recommended.  Anyone care to
disabuse me of this notion?  What am I missing by not going with a
$1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
Ultra Sharp...?  Are there others I should consider?  (I think we can
safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)

 Looks good. According to the TFT Central database it uses a Samsung
 S-PVA panel, which should be excellent. What you're mainly missing
 with the more expensive models would be size and extra features (USB
 connections, video input, built-in speakers, etc.)

 Here's the CNET review:
 http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/nec-multisync-p221w/4505-3174_7-33416987.html#reviewPage1

 TFT Central is the best source of information I've found:
 http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

 I have a blog post on picking a computer monitor:
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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Yeah, it seemed to run in slow motion compared to today's standards, but that 
was intentional. Do a search and replace and it would delete the original word 
letter by letter, and then type the replacement word letter by letter. No 
surprises for us guys who had been using a typewriter for 20 years.

Jeffery


On Oct 2, 2010, at 12:48 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Jeffery Smith
 Whenever a new technology is introduced, there is an explosion of
 interest followed by improvements at a rapid pace followed by a
 plateau where things sort of stay the same, followed by survival of
 the fittest as the best things survive and the others disappear.
 
 This all reminds me of personal computer and software in about
 1985-6. At one point, there were about 30 kinds of word processors
 all trying to make it to the top, some based on power, some based on
 user friendliness. One PC magazine had an issue devoted to a view of
 each (remember Einstein Writer, Perfect Writer, XyWrite II, Nota
 Bene, Volkswriter, WordStar, PFS Write, DisplayWrite, Leading Edge
 WP?)
 
 Come to think of it, I have a copy of Professional Write (later version of 
 PFS Write AFAIK) somewhere around the house. It was about as close to typing 
 on a type-writer as a word processor came.
 
 Easy formatting, you want at tab click on the ruler where you want the tab to 
 be; want to indent, drag the margin; CTRL+B = Bold, CTRL+I = Italics, CTRL+U 
 = underline; highlight, cut  paste and you've about exhausted the formatting 
 options.
 
 No auto-format; no need to get all wrapped around the axle fighting the 
 program to get it to do what you want to do like with M$ Word. Didn't have to 
 tell it how you want to do things, you just did them.
 
 Wonder if it would run under Vista in a DOS box?
 
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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman

John, I opine that you're plain wrong here.

1. On Russian Penta Club, which I happen to be a member of, although I'm 
in a process of leaving, the introduction of K-7 and more recently K-r 
and K-5 produced a tremendous amount of correspondence.


2. It seems that Pentax Forums behaves similarly to its Russian counter 
part. Plenty of talk, lots of messages, etc.


As opposed to these two communities which I visit from time to time, 
PDML seems to have become more relaxed towards such announcements. I 
think it is for the better.


In my subjective, biased and ill-informed opinion, before K-7 was 
introduced, there was a lot of things happening on the net that I 
couldn't explain (*). As a result, e.g. Russian Penta Club became 
somewhat more indoctrinated and polarized about all things Pentax. PDML, 
however keeps itself immune to this silliness. As such, PDML is very 
diverse with some more prominent members using more than one system or 
sometimes not using any Pentax gear at all. Thus, I think, PDML takes 
new announcements of Pentax cameras on the stride, walking swiftly by them.


But PDML is relatively small and it is also not the only Pentax 
community out there.


Boris

(*) Conspiracy theorists may say aye :-).


On 10/2/2010 12:00 AM, John Celio wrote:

I noticed something recently: there is not *nearly* as much discussion
of new Pentax cameras as there was just a few years ago here.  I
remember threads going for weeks when new products were announced, but
that seems to have been reduced to days or even hours sometimes.  It got
me wondering:

Are we generally happy enough with current cameras that new models
aren't worth getting excited about?  Has the dSLR market reached a point
where new models are pretty much more of the same, with few real
innovations appearing with each new model, and thus don't warrant much
discussion?

Or are we all just holding our tongues until Pentax comes out with with
either a 35mm-sensor'd or mirrorless body?  These two camera categories
seem to elicit the greatest response these days, even though we're
invariably talking about other brands and wishing out loud.

Just some things I've been wondering about.

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert
  Hmm ... it looks like the registration process may have changed since 
you signed up.  Now, it requires and Artist Code in order to register 
and get a password.  At least that's the way it appears to me.  I'll 
just give it a few days to see if there might be a lag in the approval 
process before issuing Artist Codes.


Thanks again, Boris.  If I don't hear from Pentax in the next few days, 
I'll write them a passive-aggressive email.


Best,

Walt

On 10/2/2010 12:54 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Walter, I am not sure what you're talking about. To submit my pics I 
do this:


* I point my browser to http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist
* I enter my e-mail address and PPG password
* I click on Upload photos and go from there.

Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:30 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks, Boris.

I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find now,
oddly enough), or something. You wouldn't happen to have the correct URL
for submissions handy by any chance, would you? I'd greatly 
appreciate it.


Thanks again!

-- Walt





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Peso's Approaches, waiting

2010-10-02 Thread David J Brooks
Table for two please:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735912

More landings;
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735913

Night landing:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735911


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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/2/2010 5:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:

Doesn't Pentax Forum whine about everything? I believe there is a
problem, but it's blown out of proportion. My lack of failures or luck
isn't bullshit, it's fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a set of
SDM lenses that get more use than mine.
Paul


Sorry for popping in here. Paul, you seem to be among the more active 
photographers on the PDML. It also seems to be a general consensus that 
SDM failure is more pronounced the less the lenses are put to use. It 
could be that you simply exercise your SDM lenses out of trouble in a 
manner of speaking.


Another thing to take into account, Paul and Bill, is presence, quality 
and reliability of local Pentax service. Beside your corner of our 
earth-ball, there are other corners where Pentax gear is not that easy 
to take care of.


Case to point. I had to bring my MZ-6 (ZX-L) in for AF check up and 
general clean up. The guy from the service lab called and told me that 
they'll do all they can, but Pentax, they said, keeps spare parts for 
just 3 years after discontinuation of its products, so he indicated, he 
might not be necessarily able to fix my camera should it require 
anything beyond plain cleaning. Although MZ-6 is ancient by modern 
measure (bought it in 2002), I take it his claim would be quoted to me 
about any other Pentax gear I have. Bummer if you ask me.


Boris

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread David J Brooks
It took about a week or so to get my artist code Walter. That was when
the ppg started out.


Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hmm ... it looks like the registration process may have changed since you
 signed up.  Now, it requires and Artist Code in order to register and get a
 password.  At least that's the way it appears to me.  I'll just give it a
 few days to see if there might be a lag in the approval process before
 issuing Artist Codes.

 Thanks again, Boris.  If I don't hear from Pentax in the next few days, I'll
 write them a passive-aggressive email.

 Best,

 Walt

 On 10/2/2010 12:54 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Walter, I am not sure what you're talking about. To submit my pics I do
 this:

 * I point my browser to http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist
 * I enter my e-mail address and PPG password
 * I click on Upload photos and go from there.

 Boris


 On 10/2/2010 7:30 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks, Boris.

 I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find now,
 oddly enough), or something. You wouldn't happen to have the correct URL
 for submissions handy by any chance, would you? I'd greatly appreciate
 it.

 Thanks again!

 -- Walt



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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/2/2010 8:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Hmm ... it looks like the registration process may have changed since
you signed up. Now, it requires and Artist Code in order to register and
get a password. At least that's the way it appears to me. I'll just give
it a few days to see if there might be a lag in the approval process
before issuing Artist Codes.

Thanks again, Boris. If I don't hear from Pentax in the next few days,
I'll write them a passive-aggressive email.

Best,

Walt


Thanks for heads up, Walt. Indeed, I was among the earlier adopters so 
to say.


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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/2/2010 8:10 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

It took about a week or so to get my artist code Walter. That was when
the ppg started out.


Dave


Dave, since I have no recollection of any such number given to me, do 
you by any chance happen to know how this number can be retrieved?


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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks for the info, Dave.

I'll hold off for a little while on the tersely worded missive.

-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 1:10 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

It took about a week or so to get my artist code Walter. That was when
the ppg started out.


Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:

  Hmm ... it looks like the registration process may have changed since you
signed up.  Now, it requires and Artist Code in order to register and get a
password.  At least that's the way it appears to me.  I'll just give it a
few days to see if there might be a lag in the approval process before
issuing Artist Codes.

Thanks again, Boris.  If I don't hear from Pentax in the next few days, I'll
write them a passive-aggressive email.

Best,

Walt

On 10/2/2010 12:54 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Walter, I am not sure what you're talking about. To submit my pics I do
this:

* I point my browser to http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist
* I enter my e-mail address and PPG password
* I click on Upload photos and go from there.

Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:30 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Thanks, Boris.

I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find now,
oddly enough), or something. You wouldn't happen to have the correct URL
for submissions handy by any chance, would you? I'd greatly appreciate
it.

Thanks again!

-- Walt


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Re: Peso's Approaches, waiting

2010-10-02 Thread Ken Waller

Dave, seems like you have a very cooperative group of squirels  Jays!

IMO the backgrounds in most of your squirrel/Jay images are distracting. 
Repositioning (higher, lower, left or right) the camera to capture their 
antics without the distracting background would greatly improve these 
images.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Peso's Approaches, waiting



Table for two please:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735912

More landings;
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735913

Night landing:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735911


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Re: peso sparkly bunny

2010-10-02 Thread Rick Womer
Apparently durian is an idiosyncratic taste.  From Wikipedia:

The smell evokes reactions from deep appreciation to intense disgust and has 
been described variously as almonds, rotten onions, turpentine and gym socks. 
The odour has led to the fruit's banishment from certain hotels and public 
transportation in southeast Asia.

Rick

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 Subject: peso sparkly bunny
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 6:16 AM
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5025729900/
 
 There is a new thai restaurant in Scotts Valley (a small
 town near my house) with a reasonably priced lunch
 buffet.  The food at the buffet is not as spicy as I'd
 like, but still quite tasty, and reasonably priced. 
 After lunch the other day, I was joking with the waitress
 What? No durian?, her eyes lit up and she said you like
 durian?, I can get you! Last night we went back for dinner,
 when they can make the entrees a bit spicier, and to pick up
 the durian. 
 The table decoration caught my eye, hence this PESO.
 
 We ate one of the durians at the party.  Later in the
 party I sipped on a little bit of whisky.  Words cannot
 describe the experience of a belch that brings up the
 flavors of both durian and lagavulin.
 
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Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread John Sessoms

Re: About Studio Lighting kinds

  The production studio I worked with last year used 3200K balanced
florescent tubes for everything.  Didn't see a real tungsten light
anywhere.  The lights ran much cooler.  I'm pretty sure that even small
studio photographic lighting will be going that route eventually.  I
don't think it's the best idea, but it is what will happen.


Second year Commercial students get to work with those and the newer 
Speedotrons.


Second year Portrait students get to work with Photogenics  older 
Speedotrons.


Second year Photojourn students work with Vivitar 285s and dedicated 
speed-lights (if they can afford them).


I don't know what the second year Bio-Com students do.

First year students get to work with REALLY OLD Studio Hot Lights, and I 
mean HOT, HOT, HOT - gloves  hot pads mandatory. The stuff you see in 
old Hollywood movie stills.


Although, they do get introduced to some Speedotrons, Photogenics  
Alien Bees during Summer Semester just before second year begins. We 
also used Vivitar 285s  dedicated speed lights (if you could afford them).


Second year students can also use hot lights if they want to, as long as 
they don't deprive the first year students.


The only real problem I see is that mixed color temperature lights are a 
BITCH when you're shooting digital, e.g. adding a green gel to the flash 
 shooting through a magenta filter to balance fluorescent light to 
daylight didn't work as well as it did on film (one of the advantages of 
having to repeat a class after a 4 year break).


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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/2/2010 5:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
 Doesn't Pentax Forum whine about everything? I believe there is a
 problem, but it's blown out of proportion. My lack of failures or luck
 isn't bullshit, it's fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a set of
 SDM lenses that get more use than mine.

Sorry for popping in here. Paul, you seem to be among the more active 
photographers on the PDML. It also seems to be a general consensus that 
SDM failure is more pronounced the less the lenses are put to use.

It may be the general consensus but my 16-50 has had trouble-free SDM
despite often spending months sitting idle between uses. I think the
less use = more failure hypothesis probably falls under the heading
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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread John Sessoms
If you're not already an accepted Pentax Artist, it appears you have to 
click the Contact Us link and request an invite to participate.


It askes for first  last names, email address and comments. I guess you 
have to write in the comments that you are requesting an invitation to 
participate.


From: Boris Liberman

Walter, I am not sure what you're talking about. To submit my pics I do
this:

* I point my browser to http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist
* I enter my e-mail address and PPG password
* I click on Upload photos and go from there.

Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:30 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

   Thanks, Boris.

 I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find now,
 oddly enough), or something. You wouldn't happen to have the correct URL
 for submissions handy by any chance, would you? I'd greatly appreciate it.

 Thanks again!

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks, John.

That's what I did.  I just hope there aren't any strange rituals 
involving goats.  I just don't go in for those kinds of shenanigans.


-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 1:47 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
If you're not already an accepted Pentax Artist, it appears you have 
to click the Contact Us link and request an invite to participate.


It askes for first  last names, email address and comments. I guess 
you have to write in the comments that you are requesting an 
invitation to participate.


From: Boris Liberman

Walter, I am not sure what you're talking about. To submit my pics I do
this:

* I point my browser to http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist
* I enter my e-mail address and PPG password
* I click on Upload photos and go from there.

Boris


On 10/2/2010 7:30 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

   Thanks, Boris.

 I guess maybe I went to a different site (which I can't even find 
now,
 oddly enough), or something. You wouldn't happen to have the 
correct URL
 for submissions handy by any chance, would you? I'd greatly 
appreciate it.


 Thanks again!

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Walter Gilbert wrote:

   Thanks, John.

That's what I did.  I just hope there aren't any strange rituals 
involving goats.  I just don't go in for those kinds of shenanigans.

Perhaps it would help if you specified exactly what kind of
shenanigans you *do* go in for. Just in case. 
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Re: monitor shopping

2010-10-02 Thread Bob Rapp

Hi Christine,
   The NEC P221 has been on my radar for some time. It should calibrate 
just fine. My other option would be to spring for the NEC PA241W-BK-SV, 
which includes profiling software and puck. The software programs the 
monitor's  internal LTU.


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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert
  Don't want to tip my hand too soon.  If I haven't heard from them 
within a week, and the email savagery doesn't work, I might go that route.


-- Walt

On 10/2/2010 2:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Walter Gilbert wrote:


   Thanks, John.

That's what I did.  I just hope there aren't any strange rituals
involving goats.  I just don't go in for those kinds of shenanigans.

Perhaps it would help if you specified exactly what kind of
shenanigans you *do* go in for. Just in case.
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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Brian Walters
Walt

I'm fairly certain that requests to participate in the Gallery are
handled by a real person - there's no automated response.  If I remember
correctly, it takes a few days to get your 'Artist's Code'.  Once you
have that, you go to 'Your Account' to set up a password and then, to
log in, you use your email address and password, as Boris said. 

I can't even recall what my 'Artist's Code' is.  I mustn't have recorded
it, but it seems that it's not needed once you have it.

Odd, I know  :-)



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On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 14:23 -0500, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
wrote:
Don't want to tip my hand too soon.  If I haven't heard from them 
 within a week, and the email savagery doesn't work, I might go that
 route.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 10/2/2010 2:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
  Walter Gilbert wrote:
 
 Thanks, John.
 
  That's what I did.  I just hope there aren't any strange rituals
  involving goats.  I just don't go in for those kinds of shenanigans.
  Perhaps it would help if you specified exactly what kind of
  shenanigans you *do* go in for. Just in case.
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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Jack Davis
Had the same experience. Applied for and after a couple days, received a 
welcome and an Artist's Code. No idea if possible to re-access said code.
Looking forward to your offerings, Walter!

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Re: Large List of For Sale Items, some really good stuff

2010-10-02 Thread John Mustarde
Loretta at Sotheby's wanted my collection, but she
refused to give 10% discount to PDML on larger items.
After showing her colors as a heartless profiteer, I
said get back...Loretta. O.




On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 07:54:11 -0400, you wrote:

Here's another large list of items for sale. Some are, indeed, really
good: http://auction.eastmanhouse.org/

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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks, Jack!

I may never get selected, but it won't hurt to try ... unless it does.  :-)

-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 4:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Had the same experience. Applied for and after a couple days, received a welcome and an 
Artist's Code. No idea if possible to re-access said code.
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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Thanks, Brian.

Hopefully, I'll be notified sometime this coming week.  I submitted my 
request on Friday evening, and I figure whoever handles them probably 
does so during standard business hours.


I'll have to make sure to save a copy of my code on a remote site.  I've 
been through the aggravation of the aftermath of a hard drive crash and 
complete reinstall before.  Don't want to go through that again!


-- Walt


On 10/2/2010 3:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Walt

I'm fairly certain that requests to participate in the Gallery are
handled by a real person - there's no automated response.  If I remember
correctly, it takes a few days to get your 'Artist's Code'.  Once you
have that, you go to 'Your Account' to set up a password and then, to
log in, you use your email address and password, as Boris said.

I can't even recall what my 'Artist's Code' is.  I mustn't have recorded
it, but it seems that it's not needed once you have it.

Odd, I know  :-)



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On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 14:23 -0500, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com
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Don't want to tip my hand too soon.  If I haven't heard from them
within a week, and the email savagery doesn't work, I might go that
route.

-- Walt

On 10/2/2010 2:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Walter Gilbert wrote:


Thanks, John.

That's what I did.  I just hope there aren't any strange rituals
involving goats.  I just don't go in for those kinds of shenanigans.

Perhaps it would help if you specified exactly what kind of
shenanigans you *do* go in for. Just in case.
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Re: monitor shopping

2010-10-02 Thread eckinator
No knowledge of this particular model but in my job before last, I
purchased numerous different NEC displays for the marketing dept. and
they were always quite to very much pleased with them. NEC as a brand
was definitely a good choice during that time.
Ecke

2010/10/2 Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net:
 Hi all,

 I've decided to quit hunching over my laptop  get a real monitor, to
 be properly calibrated, just like all the cool kids have.  Not only
 are my back  eyes killing me, but I think I would stand a better
 chance of getting some images out of my hard drive and onto paper if I
 could get a reliable handle on the color management thing.

 I've done some research, and though I still feel a bit out of my depth
 on this topic, my initial inclination is toward a NEC P221W
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBarA=getItemDetailQ=sku=602072is=REGsi=rev#anchorToReadReviews

 The price is right, and it comes well-recommended.  Anyone care to
 disabuse me of this notion?  What am I missing by not going with a
 $1000+ model, like a higher-end NEC, or Apple Cinema display, or Dell
 Ultra Sharp...?  Are there others I should consider?  (I think we can
 safely leave Eizo out of the discussion for now...)

 I'd also welcome any suggestions for other resources (online or in
 print) to educate myself better on the whole topic.

 Thanks in advance,

 -c

 ps:  thank you to Fernando for raising the calibration question in a
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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread eckinator
2010/10/2 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:

 What's DC?

Direct Current AF motor. There was a mail here some time ago linking
to the patent document. Simple, robust looking design.

 Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and Celio did. Has 
 anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely curious.

yes I have. my DA*16-50 was both repaired and replaced under warranty
following two SDM motor failures. my current copy was acting up once
very briefly in sub zero temperatures but has been peaceful otherwise.
I hope it stays that way.

as to the less use theory expressed by some people, I was an
accessory to that, it was my gut feeling also and I also read it from
other people. nothing to substantiate that feeling. someone said the
grease might go sticky. I passed it on in here with a pinch of salt or
two. there was also a belief expressed by some that the problem was
limited to the SDM+screw lenses but I have no knowledge of how likely
that idea is to be accurate or applicable. I doubt it somewhat. I've
had a Canon body's mirror brake (for lack of a better word) go sticky
from lack of use though, apparently a common issue known as Canon
Asthma in these parts

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Re: Peso's Approaches, waiting

2010-10-02 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Ken, and i agree. Next year i may but a back drop together and
see how that does.

Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Dave, seems like you have a very cooperative group of squirels  Jays!

 IMO the backgrounds in most of your squirrel/Jay images are distracting.
 Repositioning (higher, lower, left or right) the camera to capture their
 antics without the distracting background would greatly improve these
 images.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 2:08 PM
 Subject: Peso's Approaches, waiting


 Table for two please:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735912

 More landings;
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735913

 Night landing:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11735911


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Re: ISBN and self-published books

2010-10-02 Thread David Parsons
Why would you get an ISBN if you are self publishing a single book?

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 The trouble with getting an ISBN for your self-published photo book
 (or any other kind of book) is that you have to either buy a lot of 10
 or pay a premium price to get just one.

 Anyway, I have a couple of projects in the works so I thought I'd bite
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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:53 PM, eckinator wrote:

 2010/10/2 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
 
 What's DC?
 
 Direct Current AF motor. There was a mail here some time ago linking
 to the patent document. Simple, robust looking design.
 
 Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and Celio did. Has 
 anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely curious.
 
 yes I have. my DA*16-50 was both repaired and replaced under warranty
 following two SDM motor failures. my current copy was acting up once
 very briefly in sub zero temperatures but has been peaceful otherwise.
 I hope it stays that way.

Thanks for the replay. Apparently, the problem is very common. Keeping my 
fingers crossed.
Paul
 
 as to the less use theory expressed by some people, I was an
 accessory to that, it was my gut feeling also and I also read it from
 other people. nothing to substantiate that feeling. someone said the
 grease might go sticky. I passed it on in here with a pinch of salt or
 two. there was also a belief expressed by some that the problem was
 limited to the SDM+screw lenses but I have no knowledge of how likely
 that idea is to be accurate or applicable. I doubt it somewhat. I've
 had a Canon body's mirror brake (for lack of a better word) go sticky
 from lack of use though, apparently a common issue known as Canon
 Asthma in these parts
 
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Re: Info request -- Pentax gallery

2010-10-02 Thread mike wilson

Mark Roberts wrote:


Walter Gilbert wrote:



 Thanks, John.

That's what I did.  I just hope there aren't any strange rituals 
involving goats.  I just don't go in for those kinds of shenanigans.



Perhaps it would help if you specified exactly what kind of
shenanigans you *do* go in for. Just in case. 
;-)


But, whatever you do, don't mention the cormorants just yet.

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Re: ISBN and self-published books

2010-10-02 Thread mike wilson

David Parsons wrote:


Why would you get an ISBN if you are self publishing a single book?


It isn't called vanity publishing for nothing.



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:


The trouble with getting an ISBN for your self-published photo book
(or any other kind of book) is that you have to either buy a lot of 10
or pay a premium price to get just one.

Anyway, I have a couple of projects in the works so I thought I'd bite
the bullet and get 10. If any PDMLers have a book for which they'd
like to have an ISBN I'll set you up for my cost ($25.00). Just email
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Re: PESO: Different Times

2010-10-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Brian.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:26 -0400, Daniel J. Matyola
 danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 An old scan that I dusted off for the Pentax Gallery:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11553413

 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are welcome.



 Interesting shot - excellent title!

 Maybe you could boost the contrast slightly?  Looks a little flat on my
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OT - Shameless Self Promotion

2010-10-02 Thread kwaller
Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 25, 
(out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure 
Michigan' summer photo contest.


check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view 
the 25 images up for voting.


Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the good 
old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.


Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say in 
Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.

Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking  voting..


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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

2010-10-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wasn't Backseat Driver in the PDML book?  I love that image.

Dan

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 Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 25,
 (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
 Michigan' summer photo contest.

 check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view
 the 25 images up for voting.

 Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the good
 old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.

 Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say in
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 Votes may be cast thru October 15th

 Thanks for looking  voting..


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Re: It ain't like it used to be.

2010-10-02 Thread Joseph McAllister

/mild rant on\
There are many aspects of technology and finance in the trend during  
the past decade that influence how exciting or boring a new camera  
body from Pentax will be.


No manufacturer can introduce a model that is a show stopper, because  
the rapid advances in digital electronics and the firmware that runs  
them is progressing so fast that every 6 to 18 months, new features  
can be introduced that kills the market for the previous generation.  
Because the shelf time is so short for each model, and development so  
competitive, the quantities sold of each model is pretty small. This  
is especially hard on Hoya/Pentax because they are so mired in the mid- 
range of DSLR sales. They don't have the demand from the professionals  
who are willing to pay $5000 and up for each new generation.


We Pentaxians who can afford it, do add each new generation to our  
collection of Leicas and Rollies. We love the technology of the  
various forms the industry has produced of the past 70 years or so. I  
know my basement used to have 5 units of industrial shelving filled  
with cameras and lenses, most f them I only used once if at all. I  
bought them for less than I knew I could sell them for. Loved them,  
played with them, admired them, but it after time made no sense to  
keep them. So I sold off the Hassies, the Rollies, the Zenzas,  
Mamiyas, Leicas and the minutia of accessories for each system that  
I had accumulated.


Other than a few older Pentaxes, and a half dozen 4x5 and 8x10 field  
or studio units, and the obligatory drawers full of their boarded or  
not lenses, I own 3 cameras. A K-7, K10, and a Z-10. I now realize  
that thinking about a K-5, or K-3, is what the industry wants me to do.


But I feel now that all Pentax is offering me is something to fix  
some, but not all, of the problems that I paid good money for less  
than a year ago. Something that they should have fixed under warranty.  
If the product does not match the advertising hype that preceded the  
introduction of each generation, make it right. Take the defective  
unit back and repair of replace it with a body that does it's job as  
advertised.


When the generations were a decade apart, a product that would pass  
the test of time was offered for sale. A manual typewriter and the  
dial telephone were all I needed for 20-25 years. My Spotmatic, some  
good lenses, and a hand held light meter produced thousands of images  
from 1965 until 1991, when a robbery replacement of a PZ-1 and some AF  
lenses tempted me away from what M42 lenses and bodies that remained.  
Then I got an electric typewriter, which didn't last as long. But I  
continued to use it for forms that needed filling in. Computers were  
bad at that task. Soon I was using the computer for many tasks, but  
had to replace those every 2 - 5 years when the draw of new features  
and software became too strong.


I don't care about full frame or not. My K-7 has problems that bug me,  
but I am also on a fixed income that gives me shelter, feeds me and  
the dogs, and puts just enough gas in my 20 year old car to get me  
where I need to be. When you nice people on PDML tell me after six  
months of owning that a new body has solved the AF problems, the frame  
rate is up to 8 or 9 RAW frames per second, and the camera adjusts  
it's focus for each individual lens to hit the sweet spot on the  
sensor, the finder screen, and the LCD all at the same time. And that  
LCD had better be densely packed with pixels so I can tell it's in  
focus. If they can correct the optical finder with diopters, why do I  
have to put my glasses on to see the LCD?  Get an algorithm going that  
corrects the viewed image on the LCD for vision problems! And tilt.  
And swivel. So I can sell my collection of right angle finders.


I'll be reading and waiting. But my tongue won't be hanging out while  
I do. I'll be digitizing my photos and my ancestors photos in between  
trips out to the never-lands in search of the unseen.


\mild rant off/



On 10/2/2010 12:00 AM, John Celio wrote:
I noticed something recently: there is not *nearly* as much  
discussion

of new Pentax cameras as there was just a few years ago here.  I
remember threads going for weeks when new products were announced,  
but
that seems to have been reduced to days or even hours sometimes.   
It got

me wondering:

Are we generally happy enough with current cameras that new models
aren't worth getting excited about?  Has the dSLR market reached a  
point

where new models are pretty much more of the same, with few real
innovations appearing with each new model, and thus don't warrant  
much

discussion?




If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

2010-10-02 Thread Ken Waller

Wasn't Backseat Driver in the PDML book?  I love that image.


Yes, it was also in the Chicago Gallery, another PDML'er liked it enough to 
purchase it.


It was taken at the 75 anniversary of the 32 Ford - the Deuce - in Dearborn, 
Michigan.


Thanks Dan.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion



Wasn't Backseat Driver in the PDML book?  I love that image.

Dan

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:50 PM,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 
25,

(out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure
Michigan' summer photo contest.

check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view
the 25 images up for voting.

Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the 
good

old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.

Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say 
in

Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking  voting..


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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist
Congratulations, Ken. Well deserved!
Paul
(Who will vote early and often.)
On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:50 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

 Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 25, 
 (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure 
 Michigan' summer photo contest.
 
 check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view the 
 25 images up for voting.
 
 Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the good 
 old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.
 
 Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say in 
 Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
 Votes may be cast thru October 15th
 
 Thanks for looking  voting..
 
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller 
 
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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

2010-10-02 Thread Paul Sorenson

 Done!

-pOn 10/2/2010 6:50 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group 
of 25, (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 
'Pure Michigan' summer photo contest.


check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to 
view the 25 images up for voting.


Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the 
good old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.


Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they 
say in Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.

Votes may be cast thru October 15th

Thanks for looking  voting..


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller



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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread Ken Waller
I've owned numerous Pentax lenses since 1969 and have never had even a hint 
of an issue with them...

until I got the SMC DA* 16-50mm f2.8 about a year and a half ago.

It worked fine for several months but earlier this year on a photo shoot in 
Utah it started not to auto focus. I could manually focus but still the 
lense was less than a year old! I was going to ship it back for repair, but 
then it started to auto focus again and this on again/off again operation 
continues to this day.

Can't figure it out.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Subject: Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...




On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:02 AM, eckinator wrote:


2010/10/2 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:


Well, to the extent that they reduce a business cost, but what I mean is
Pentax doesn't make X number of Dollars, Euro, Yen ... profit off of 
each

repair as was implied.

It's just a bad business practice to manufacture shoddy goods, and then
expect to make money off of repairing defects, especially if you don't
actually repair the defects meaning the item has to be repaired again 
and

again.

If Pentax does that, they won't be in business long. They've got their
faults as a company, but I just don't think they're that stupid.


agreed. not as a business objective and repairs aren't a profit center
either I hope but I'd think parts are cost (including warehousing and
administration) plus X and I'd think there'd be a kickback of sorts
from CRIS also but can't know for a fact of course. Amen to the shoddy
goods bit though, SDM doesn't cut it - I just hope DC does...
Ecke


What's DC? Have you had trouble with an SDM lens, Ecke? I know Robb and 
Celio did. Has anyone else on the list had a failure? I'm genuinely 
curious.
I have three that SDM lenses I've used extensively since they were first 
released, and they work very well. Maybe I got lucky. Or perhaps failures 
are magnified on the web, because the victims complain loudly, while those 
of us who are satisfied are mum for the most part.

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Re: OT - Shameless Self Promotion

2010-10-02 Thread Larry Colen
Congratulations!
On Oct 2, 2010, at 4:50 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

 Just got word that 4 images of mine have been chosen to be in a group of 25, 
 (out of a total of 1200 images submitted) open for voting in a 'Pure 
 Michigan' summer photo contest.
 
 check out http://puremichiganphotoclub.com/seasonal-contest/vote/ to view the 
 25 images up for voting.
 
 Mine are titled 'Back Seat Driver', 'Man - O - Man Omena', 'Oh for the good 
 old days' and 'They keep me wet and in the dark'.
 
 Since voting is open to all, take a look and cast your vote - as they say in 
 Chicago 'Vote early and Vote often'.
 Votes may be cast thru October 15th
 
 Thanks for looking  voting..
 
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller 
 
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RE: About Studio Lighting kinds

2010-10-02 Thread John Coyle
You've already had some excellent advice from others, the only additional
consideration from me would be - do the flash units have modelling lights,
or can they be fitted later?  I've worked with studio flash setups before,
and the ability to set your lighting and see how it will look is, IMO,
really important.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia




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Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2010 6:54 PM
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Subject: About Studio Lighting kinds

A friend of mine is  selling two studio lighting outfits. One is Interfit
tungsten continuous lighting, the other are non continuous Falconeyes Flash
system

Is there any good in this? I have nothing right now but would like to get
myself a little studio at home, it would help me progressing faster than the
only day I have a studio available (and in which I need to do the job I'm
asked to).
The Tungsten seemed (I could try both outfilts) to be difficult to withstand
because 3x 500W Tungsten are like hot summer after a couple minutes. But
that's just from using them a couple minutes. They are rated 3200K but
basicaly have no accessories.
He's asking 300 euros for the Tungsten kit (I may negotiate though).

The Falconeye set is 2x300W with wireless X-sync, honeycomb, snoot,
2xdiffusers and a couple other things. Seemed to work well enough when I
tried them. He aasking price is 400 euros (again, could be negotiated).

Outside from those precise kits, I do not have yet an idea about pros and
cons of continuous vs. non-continuous lighting. I think most pro studios
would not work with continuous lighting but this is just guess, I have no
idea why.
I guess continuous eats way more electrons as well meaning my electricity
bill will would be higher than with non continuous ?
Maybe reusing old flashes would be better? But if accessories needed
(tripods, diffusers etc.) cost me about the same as one of those kits,
what's the point?

I'm clueless about lighting, really.
Thanks for all your suggestions

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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread John Celio
? I've owned numerous Pentax lenses since 1969 and have never had even a 
hint

of an issue with them...
until I got the SMC DA* 16-50mm f2.8 about a year and a half ago.

It worked fine for several months but earlier this year on a photo shoot 
in Utah it started not to auto focus. I could manually focus but still the 
lense was less than a year old! I was going to ship it back for repair, 
but then it started to auto focus again and this on again/off again 
operation continues to this day.

Can't figure it out.


If you've got some warranty left, send it in ASAP.  Get that thing fixed 
before it stops working completely.


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PESOs from decompression

2010-10-02 Thread Larry Colen
There are a lot of burning man parties a few weeks after that are called 
decompression parties. I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party this 
afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle with yardwork.

I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.

Eye of the dragon:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/

Good Times:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/

Center of Gravity:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/

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Re: PESOs from decompression

2010-10-02 Thread paul stenquist
The third one is interesting.
Paul


On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 There are a lot of burning man parties a few weeks after that are called 
 decompression parties. I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party this 
 afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle with yardwork.
 
 I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.
 
 Eye of the dragon:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/
 
 Good Times:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/
 
 Center of Gravity:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/
 
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Re: PESOs from decompression

2010-10-02 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:16 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 The third one is interesting.

I certainly appreciated her non-euclidean topology.

 Paul
 
 
 On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 There are a lot of burning man parties a few weeks after that are called 
 decompression parties. I stopped by the Santa Cruz decompression party 
 this afternoon for a while, before coming home to wrestle with yardwork.
 
 I did, however, get a few shots while I was there.
 
 Eye of the dragon:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610651/in/set-72157625082869380/
 
 Good Times:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045610343/in/set-72157625082869380/
 
 Center of Gravity:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5045615135/in/set-72157625082869380/
 
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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread William Robb


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Subject: Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...




It may be the general consensus but my 16-50 has had trouble-free SDM
despite often spending months sitting idle between uses. I think the
less use = more failure hypothesis probably falls under the heading
of what BF Skinner termed superstitious behavior.



Which take us back to Pentax laying an egg with SDM.

William Robb 


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Re: I don't like being the squeaky wheel, but...

2010-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Mark, please notice that said it /seems/ to be a general consensus
and not everyone knows that I am not trying to shout
gloom-n-doom here, but either way, a number of personal testimonies
will not prove the claim. I am glad your lens works. It is very
unfortunate that Ecke, Bill Robb and others had to deal with SDM motor
failure nonetheless. Be it due to lack of use or not, but the problem
is there.

Boris

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Boris Liberman wrote:

On 10/2/2010 5:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:
 Doesn't Pentax Forum whine about everything? I believe there is a
 problem, but it's blown out of proportion. My lack of failures or luck
 isn't bullshit, it's fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a set of
 SDM lenses that get more use than mine.

Sorry for popping in here. Paul, you seem to be among the more active
photographers on the PDML. It also seems to be a general consensus that
SDM failure is more pronounced the less the lenses are put to use.

 It may be the general consensus but my 16-50 has had trouble-free SDM
 despite often spending months sitting idle between uses. I think the
 less use = more failure hypothesis probably falls under the heading
 of what BF Skinner termed superstitious behavior.

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Photographers profiles (Chicago)

2010-10-02 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Team,

Did anything ever happen re: publishing the profiles that were used
for the photogs who's works were hung in the Dank Haus Gallery? I'd
love to see them as it's something that I have to do and I really
haven't a clue where to start without sounding like a tosser ;-)

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PESO: Cardinal on Approach

2010-10-02 Thread Walter Gilbert

 Hi all,

This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got my 
K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't bring 
myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever captured 
that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background was 
absolutely horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy by K-x 
standards.  I messed with toning down the colors (it was an abhorrent 
mix of brown, green, rust, and yellow originally) until I finally 
decided it looked best with everything desaturated out, except for the 
red of the bird.  I'm still trying to deal with some ugliness on the 
beak, but I'm slowly getting it out of there.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  And 
this is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor 
cropping (I'm trying to stay as close to the original resolution as 
possible for now).  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the cropping, 
to make it a more effective image?


Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

Best,

Walt



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Re: PESO: Cardinal on Approach

2010-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
 Imitation hand coloring of BW can be effective, but you have to be 
careful to avoid halos around your colored layer.  Just think of it as a 
case of Less is More, unless you intended for it to look the way it 
does, in which case to quote Emily Litela .  /Nevermind/.


On 10/3/2010 12:52 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 Hi all,

This is a shot I took way back at the end of May, shortly after I got 
my K-x.  I've been tinkering with it off and on ever since and can't 
bring myself to abandon it, as it was the first in-flight bird I ever 
captured that I was somewhat proud of.  The color of the background 
was absolutely horrid in the original photo, and it was pretty noisy 
by K-x standards.  I messed with toning down the colors (it was an 
abhorrent mix of brown, green, rust, and yellow originally) until I 
finally decided it looked best with everything desaturated out, except 
for the red of the bird.  I'm still trying to deal with some ugliness 
on the beak, but I'm slowly getting it out of there.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5045841583/
K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/1250 sec

It was shot in jpeg format, so I'm somewhat limited in my options.  
And this is a resized (2400 pixels long-side) version after some minor 
cropping (I'm trying to stay as close to the original resolution as 
possible for now).  Any tips on what I can do, aside from the 
cropping, to make it a more effective image?


Comments, critiques, and/or relentless hectoring welcome.

Best,

Walt






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