Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 13/10/2011 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: BW film might still rule if film didn't curl, and if the enlarger and/or scanner were perfect. But in the real world, digital rules. And digital is perfect? Actually, in the real world, what rules is the media that the artist feels most

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread David Savage
In terms of DR film still rules over digital. On 14/10/2011, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Well, I enjoy both PS and chemicals. I might be tempted, though, by the new 36mp Nikon. That is 200 pixels per mm, roughly the

K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread Larry Colen
I don't know the reviewer, but he seems quite happy with the K-5 as an all-around camera http://photographic-central.blogspot.com/2011/10/pentax-k5-dslr-review.html -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO: The Cradle Will Fall

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
I'm a couple weeks behind on PDML and I just looked at a few dozen PESOs and this was the first one that made me hit the reply key. Beautiful shot. Exquisite backgrounds, which matters. -T On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Here's a shot I took

Re: Football Sunday!

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Nice pic! Would like to see a color version. -T On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Just a little photo-play.  Definitely, a Bears-sweatshirt-day--nippy.  Tough season to be a Bears fan this year.  Cheers, Christine

Re: PESO - March!

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
I'd crank the contrast a bit, but that photo has a whole lot of life in it. -T On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:04 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I attended a march/protest in San Francisco on  September 24th. It part of a world-wide environmental event day sponsored  by 350.org (Bill McKibben). If

Re: PESO - China Tree, Detail

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
exquisite. -T On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Comments and criticisms appreciated... http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14332853size=md Bulent -

Re: PAW91 - Another drop

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Full of drama. Excellent. -T On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA*50-135mm@50, 1/80s, f/5.6, ISO100. DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread Larry Colen
Wednesday evening, on another mailing list I was pointed to a saddening post on Tim Bray's blog. Last week, Dennis Ritchie passed away. This news will almost certainly cause one of two reactions: Who? or Dismay that we have lost someone who has arguably contributed more to the world of

Re: OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread David Mann
On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Wednesday evening, on another mailing list I was pointed to a saddening post on Tim Bray's blog. Last week, Dennis Ritchie passed away. This news will almost certainly cause one of two reactions: Who? or Dismay that we have lost someone

Re: Memorial Park REDUX

2011-10-14 Thread Brian Walters
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:28 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: This is a redo of a picture I posted in late Sept. Stan and several other posters kindly (and strongly suggested) I missed the angle on the subject. I replaced the one there with new one I took last week. One

Re: PESO - Bus Stop

2011-10-14 Thread Brian Walters
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:19 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I am reviewing my Rome 2009 images, getting back into the Blurb book I have planned. I came across an image that intrigues me; I am curious what others will say WRT rendering and subject matter. So, two

Re: OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread Darren Addy
Wired is on it: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/10/thedennisritchieeffect/ Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread Bruce Walker
Just a heads-up for anyone interested in trying night photography. Here's a free introductory 24 page eBook (PDF) on the subject ... http://availablelightimages.com/blog/night-photography/ The content looks pretty good. Author makes a couple of questionable assertions, but stuff like his

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
BW film might still rule if film didn't curl, and if the enlarger and/or scanner were perfect. But in the real world, digital rules. There is a reason I do not do 135 film, but still do sheet film. It's nice to be able to burn in low-contrast detail, something that cannot be done with

Re: OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 01:15:32 -0700 From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Wednesday evening, on another mailing list I was pointed to a saddening post on Tim Bray's blog. Last week, Dennis Ritchie passed away. This news will almost certainly cause one of two reactions: Who? or Dismay that we

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread David Savage
On 14 October 2011 20:58, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: That forthcoming N 36mp body, full frame.  Sony sensor.  That's 5k x 7k pixels.  5K pixels over 24mm == roughly 200 pixels / mm.  That begins to match the resolving power of 100 line pairs / mm.  And with reduced

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Dave On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Just a heads-up for anyone interested in trying night photography. Here's a free introductory 24 page eBook (PDF) on the subject ... http://availablelightimages.com/blog/night-photography/ The content

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread Tom C
And digital is perfect? Actually, in the real world, what rules is the media that the artist feels most comfortable working with. This may be digital, it may equally be oil paint or macrame. William Robb What 'digital' has done is put the entire range of the photographic process (capture

Re: OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread Darren Addy
The term Microsoft garbage is redundant. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread Steven Desjardins
Rulers rule! Of course, it's BW film. Color world last time I looked. Digital brought that kind of control to color photography for the typical photographer and that is the biggest advance for me. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: And digital is perfect?

Re: OT: Can anyone identify this critter?

2011-10-14 Thread Darren Addy
I emailed a few scientists and one has replied that this is caterpillar of a moth of the family Limacodidae. Can't confirm that, but it's kind of hard to prove that it isn't. Wikipedia says: They are mostly tropical, but occur worldwide, with about 1000 described species and probably many more as

Re: PESO: The Cradle Will Fall

2011-10-14 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thank you very much, Tim! That background is one of the reasons I rarely shoot with anything other than my 50/1.4 these days. I'm utterly smitten by the bokeh it produces when I luck up and get it right. -- Walt On 10/14/2011 2:56 AM, Tim Bray wrote: I'm a couple weeks behind on PDML and

Re: OT: Can anyone identify this critter?

2011-10-14 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks for the legwork! It was driving me batty! -- Walt On 10/14/2011 9:55 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I emailed a few scientists and one has replied that this is caterpillar of a moth of the family Limacodidae. Can't confirm that, but it's kind of hard to prove that it isn't. Wikipedia says:

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
On 10/14/2011 3:07 AM, William Robb wrote: On 13/10/2011 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: BW film might still rule if film didn't curl, and if the enlarger and/or scanner were perfect. But in the real world, digital rules. And digital is perfect? Actually, in the real world, what

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
That kind of depends on the film. I believe that slide film has a narrower DR than even straight from camera Jpegs. But I don't have any hard numbers on that. On 10/14/2011 3:17 AM, David Savage wrote: In terms of DR film still rules over digital. On 14/10/2011, Paul

Re: OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:23:24PM +1300, David Mann wrote: On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Wednesday evening, on another mailing list I was pointed to a saddening post on Tim Bray's blog. Last week, Dennis Ritchie passed away. This news will almost certainly cause

Re: OT printf(goodbye world\n);

2011-10-14 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 09:03:06AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: The term Microsoft garbage is redundant. Darren Addy Not in the terms of C/C++ programming it isn't. The Visual C products have long been serious contenders for the title of best C development and debugging environment. -- PDML

Re: OT: Can anyone identify this critter?

2011-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks. That is the best answer I could find. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I emailed a few scientists and one has replied that this is caterpillar of a moth of the family Limacodidae.

Re: PESO - Bus Stop

2011-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
BW no vehicle is the best, though the color version has it's charm. The version with the speeding car is also good, but now you don't have a clear subject, it could be either the figure at the bus stop or the car. On 10/12/2011 11:19 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I am reviewing my Rome 2009 images,

Re: K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 1:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I don't know the reviewer, but he seems quite happy with the K-5 as an all-around camera http://photographic-central.blogspot.com/2011/10/pentax-k5-dslr-review.html The decade is still young. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 7:56 AM, Tom C wrote: And digital is perfect? Actually, in the real world, what rules is the media that the artist feels most comfortable working with. This may be digital, it may equally be oil paint or macrame. William Robb What 'digital' has done is put the entire range of

Re: K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:39 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/10/2011 1:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I don't know the reviewer, but he seems quite happy with the K-5 as an all-around camera http://photographic-central.blogspot.com/2011/10/pentax-k5-dslr-review.html

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Just a heads-up for anyone interested in trying night photography. Here's a free introductory 24 page eBook (PDF) on the subject ... http://availablelightimages.com/blog/night-photography/ The content looks pretty good. Author makes a

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 10:47 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: That kind of depends on the film. I believe that slide film has a narrower DR than even straight from camera Jpegs. But I don't have any hard numbers on that. Last time I checked (which was something like 20 years ago), slide film was 5-6 stops,

Re: K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:39:41AM -0600, William Robb wrote: On 14/10/2011 1:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I don't know the reviewer, but he seems quite happy with the K-5 as an all-around camera http://photographic-central.blogspot.com/2011/10/pentax-k5-dslr-review.html The decade is still

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
If you're doing street photography at night, it's always a matter of blown highlights and no shadow detail. If the data is in the capture, either digital or film, then there's a way to get it into a print. If it's not, then you have to cheat. On 10/14/2011 2:09 PM, William Robb wrote: On

Re: K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
The convention is to count years from 1, there is no year zero. So, it's was released last decade. On 10/14/2011 2:27 PM, John Francis wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:39:41AM -0600, William Robb wrote: On 14/10/2011 1:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I don't know the reviewer, but he seems quite

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 12:31 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: If you're doing street photography at night, it's always a matter of blown highlights and no shadow detail. If the data is in the capture, either digital or film, then there's a way to get it into a print. If it's not, then you have to cheat. Note

Re: K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 12:27 PM, John Francis wrote: The decade is still young. That rather depends on how you count - the K-5 was released in 2010. Was that the last year of one decade, or the first year of the next? I would think most competent reviewers would put the Nikon D700 ahead of the

Re: K-5 DSLR of the decade?

2011-10-14 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:33 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The convention is to count years from 1, there is no year zero.  So, it's was released last decade. That is the convention for centuries, but not typically for decades. We speak of the 1990s, not the 200th decade

Re: OT: Can anyone identify this critter?

2011-10-14 Thread Darren Addy
Just to follow up. The answer came from biologist Jan C. Meerman Belize Environmental Consultancies Ltd. Belmopan, Belize. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread Tom C
And digital is perfect? Actually, in the real world, what rules is the media that the artist feels most comfortable working with. This may be digital, it may equally be oil paint or macrame. William Robb What 'digital' has done is put the entire range of the photographic process (capture

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 1:00 PM, Tom C wrote: A But I must ask, despite your over emotional reaction, why do you have, how many DSLR's is it? When's the last time you've spent a substantial amount of time in a wet darkroom vs. frying your eyeballs out looking at the computer monitor? Too many DSLRs.

Re: PESO - Golden

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Nice shot... Good angle! Where's it from? -T On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:28 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I took a photography class recently. It  included two field trips to San Francisco. I shot tons of photos. Which I why I  took it, to get myself taking pictures again. This was late in

Re: PESO: Diaphanous

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Very nice, you can almost feel the texture -T On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been going through some of the shots I've taken over the past couple of months and stumbled upon some that I had set aside for another day and let them slip my

Re: PESO - Fall Grass and Sky

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
My eyes like it, but I'm not sure exactly why. Thanks -T On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Do not expect much! http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14378496size=lg Old stock film (Fuji NPS PRO Color Negative, best before date: 2004). Kiev 60

Re: PESO - two Still Lifes - GDG

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Wouldn't mind seeing color versions of those -T On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: Did a couple of Still Life images this morning using Paul's lovely old Leitz Elmar 5.0cm f/3.5 lens, an uncoated lens from 1932-1934 era …

Re: Memorial Park REDUX

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Ah... very atmospheric, made me smile. Could do with a little leveling? -T On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: This is a redo of a picture I posted in late Sept. Stan and several other posters kindly (and strongly suggested) I missed the angle on the

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread John Sessoms
From: David J Brooks Thanks Dave On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Just a heads-up for anyone interested in trying night photography. Here's a free introductory 24 page eBook (PDF) on the subject ...

Re: PESO: Diaphanous

2011-10-14 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 10/14/2011 3:20 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Very nice, you can almost feel the texture -T Thanks again, Tim! :-) -- Walt On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Walt Gilbertldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been going through some of the shots I've taken over the past couple of months and

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-10-14 4:33 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: David J Brooks Thanks Dave On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Just a heads-up for anyone interested in trying night photography. Here's a free introductory 24 page eBook (PDF) on the subject ...

G+

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
I work for Google, so feel free to discount this as highly-biased raving. Having said that, Google+ is really pretty nice for a photographer: 1. The presentation of the photos is pretty good compared to anything else with social in the name 2. There are a lot of really good photographers already

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that this will be a lot more difficult with K20D because you can't turn off the long exposure noise reduction. How are you going to get contiguous star trails? Or has anyone come up with a hack that

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-10-14 5:04 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that this will be a lot more difficult with K20D because you can't turn off the long exposure noise reduction. How are you going to get contiguous star trails?

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread Tom C
From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com On 14/10/2011 1:00 PM, Tom C wrote: But I must ask, despite your over emotional reaction, why do you have, how many DSLR's is it? When's the last time you've spent a substantial amount of time in a wet darkroom vs. frying your eyeballs out

Peso - Speaking of Cormorants ..

2011-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
(aside to Tim Bray and his gushing over G+) Working on new calendar - calling it 'Feathers finally found a cormy snap of mine from earlier this year... http://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/New-2012-calendars/Feathers/19261415_nN7VmR/1/1528728093_VpgwnMK/Medium sorry not to be more gabby

Re: OT Night Photography: free eBook

2011-10-14 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that this will be a lot more difficult with K20D because you can't turn off the long exposure noise reduction. How are you going to get contiguous

Re: PESO 2011 - Jurby Road - GDG

2011-10-14 Thread steve harley
on 2011-10-13 12:58 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6240687863/lightbox/ Or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6240687863/ simple moody, but with a kind of formal structure -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Do You Remember When?

2011-10-14 Thread William Robb
On 14/10/2011 4:31 PM, Tom C wrote: I was just trying get a rise out of you. You're just like my wife... you react when I least expect it and ignore me when I expect attention. :-) Naw, your wife is way nicer. You do realize that you are really obvious when you are trying to get a rise

OT: scanners; Epson 600 vs. Epson 700 vs. used film scanner

2011-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't scan film often, but I have hundreds of thousands of frames I've never printed, and I occasionally need to scan something. (I still have a darkroom, but have little time for that and definitely don't want to fool around with color printing.). Some reviews say the Epson 700 flatbed is at

Re: Football Sunday!

2011-10-14 Thread steve harley
on 2011-10-02 11:06 Christine Aguila wrote Just a little photo-play. Definitely, a Bears-sweatshirt-day--nippy. Tough season to be a Bears fan this year. Cheers, Christine great environmental portrait provoked thoughts: * don't misplace that remote control! * can only read a couple

Re: OT: scanners; Epson 600 vs. Epson 700 vs. used film scanner

2011-10-14 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 08:49:22PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I don't scan film often, but I have hundreds of thousands of frames I've never printed, and I occasionally need to scan something. (I still have a darkroom, but have little time for that and definitely don't want to fool around

Re: OT: scanners; Epson 600 vs. Epson 700 vs. used film scanner

2011-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Get a used film scanner. No contest. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT: scanners; Epson 600 vs. Epson 700 vs. used film scanner

2011-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Get a used film scanner. No contest. I have a lot of medium format film to scan as well and even some 4x5, so a film scanner is pretty much out of the question. In any case, the Epson 700 with a d-max of 4.0 and 4800 dpi native resolution

Re: PESO - Bus Stop

2011-10-14 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I am reviewing my Rome 2009 images, getting back into the Blurb book I have planned. I came across an image that intrigues me; I am curious what others will say WRT rendering and subject matter. So, two images

GESO: Wata of Boris

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bray
Boris is a Japanese experimental-guitar-noise band that I really like; I saw them Tuesday and took some pix of guitarist/singer/keyboardist, Wata. If you're interested in reading about seriously challenging but deeply beautiful fringe music, there's

Re: PESO - The Sunday Papers

2011-10-14 Thread Brian Walters
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:38 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: After heading down to the Lake on Sunday morning, it was off to a favourite coffee shop before I did a bit of city shooting: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/10/sunday-papers.html She heard me