date:20151115

I'm surprised that Pentax was that high on the list.

Cheers,

frank 

On November 14, 2015 10:37:23 AM EST, "P.J. Alling" 
 wrote:
>Not surprising that Canon dominates with the most models because, well 
>have the most models.
>
> From the list you can see that Pentax's problem is that their top of 
>the line camera is their top selling camera.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/qda96oy

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> Well said. You should be a politician!

I believe that may be the rudest thing that anyone has ever said to me.
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Re: PESO -- Caption Contest

Caption:
Demands are presented by the head of the Elves' Labor Union.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 12:06 AM, P.J. Alling
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> I went to a charitable event tonight, brought along the K-5II and a couple
> of lenses.  Taken entirely out of context, I have no idea what caption
> should be, but Santa seems to be having a bad day...
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20captioncontest1115.html
>
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

I've typed and re-typed several responses to this, Godfrey. I think I'll send 
this one, regarding your question about whether this violence will ever stop.

These sorts of horrific events cause a lot of soul - searching and looking for 
answers. Unfortunately, in these modern times, these contemplations occur with 
dismal frequency. 

I'm going to preface what I say by stating that ~apparently~ we live in one of 
the least violent times in the history of the world. It sure doesn't feel that 
way, but statistics indicate that. Small consolation to the victims in Paris or 
Tel Aviv or Baghdad, I know...

Cheap, easily - obtained  weapons. Combatants who have nothing to lose and are 
more than prepared to kill themselves for their cause. Very heavily armed, 
militarized nation-states. All of this and more almost ensure that these events 
will continue to occur. Add to that groups who feel that they've been oppressed 
for decades or centuries and the mix is lethal.

And of course what's going on in the Middle East and how The West is handling 
it increase the inevitability that the violence will spill over into Europe and 
North America. Ironic that Hollande screams that the Friday the 13th attacks 
were "an act of war" when in fact France is engaging in warlike behaviour in 
Iraq. 

Over 17,000 civilians died in Iraq last year. At least 1,700 died as a result 
of International Coalition or Iraqi Air Force air strikes. Another 10,000 died 
from unidentified combatants.

Is it any wonder ISIS is leaving "calling cards" on home soil of those they see 
as combatants in their homeland? I'm neither condoning nor justifying these 
heinous atrocities, but they're hardly surprising. 

Wars are going on all over the world. Innocent civilians are dying daily (50 of 
them in Iraq on Friday, for instance). We, insulated in the comfort of the 
affluent West, don't bat an eyelash. We don't even notice. But when the 
violence hits "our" shores it's the end of the world.

These things are going to keep happening. The change required to stop them will 
never happen (see above re: heavily armed nation-states - that includes the 
militarization of police forces). Even if radical change does occur, these 
events might continue. Maybe it's just human nature. Combined with cheap 
weapons.

But we're living in the least violent time in human history...

Regards,

frank

On November 14, 2015 5:29:15 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>Indeed. 
>
>I think of this with the same feelings of sadness, outrage, and horror
>that comes to mind when I hear of trouble in and near Tel Aviv,
>worrying for Boris and his family. 
>
>Can we not stop these atrocities? A century of senseless violence and
>horror behind us... Is there another one to come? What will it take to
>put an end to it all?
>
>I grieve. 
>
>G
>
>> On Nov 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Brian Walters 
>wrote:
>> 
>> Mike Johnston's piece today is quite simple and eloquent, I thought:
>> 
>>
>http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2015/11/to-our-friends.html
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, at 02:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/france/fr_1x._V288659243_.png

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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can enjoy 
them again.

Thanks!

Cheers,

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On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  wrote:
>I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
>to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
>Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
>have made the trip and have any words of advice.
>
>My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
>different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
>drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
>leave from Anchorage.
>
>I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
>Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
>just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
>the cost ... hiking options, etc.

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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?


Um, I did notice you didn't buy a calendar..:-)

Ken is another resource.
The Denali Highway isnt a highway mostly a gravel road... and it goes 
east to west

It may have more paving now- havent been there since 1992.  IN 1989
we did it at the time you are thinking of, and in 1987 Richard did it alone
We never saw the top of Denali.  In May of 1992 , it was "out" a lot.

You arent permitted to drive the whole park road unless you aregoing
to stay at that special lodge at the end of it... or camp there. You would
probably need reservationswell in advance.

If you are flying, instead of driving up, go into Anchorage... a much nicer
city... It isn't that far from Anchorage to the park - . I'd say skip 
Fairbanks altogether


Get "The MilePost"  - invaluable  to anyone on the road up there 
detailed , etc.


a start for your research anyway..

envious...

ann



On 11/15/2015 9:41 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.




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Re: PESO -- Caption Contest

Wonderful photo! 

Can think of many captions, none of them acceptable for family viewing. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 1:06:44 AM EST, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:
>I went to a charitable event tonight, brought along the K-5II and a 
>couple of lenses.  Taken entirely out of context, I have no idea what 
>caption should be, but Santa seems to be having a bad day...
>
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20captioncontest1115.html
>
>Equipment: Pentax K5II w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f2.8~4.0
>(Komine).
>
>As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:11 AM, knarf  wrote:
> That's the biggest elf I've ever seen.

No doubt one of the reasons he is a leader.

But I am very curious about the other elves you have seen and what
your blood alcohol level was, at the time.

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OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.

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Re: PESO -- Caption Contest

That's the biggest elf I've ever seen.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:46:21 AM EST, Darren Addy  wrote:
>Caption:
>Demands are presented by the head of the Elves' Labor Union.
>
>On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 12:06 AM, P.J. Alling
> wrote:
>> I went to a charitable event tonight, brought along the K-5II and a
>couple
>> of lenses.  Taken entirely out of context, I have no idea what
>caption
>> should be, but Santa seems to be having a bad day...
>>
>>
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20captioncontest1115.html
>>
>> Equipment: Pentax K5II w/vmc Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f2.8~4.0
>(Komine).
>>
>> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>>
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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:
> Ken has taken spectacular photos there.
>
> When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can enjoy 
> them again.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  
> wrote:
>>I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
>>to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
>>Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
>>have made the trip and have any words of advice.
>>
>>My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
>>different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
>>drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
>>leave from Anchorage.
>>
>>I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
>>Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
>>just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
>>the cost ... hiking options, etc.
>
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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

2015-11-15 Thread Stanley Halpin

We’ll be there next summer.  29 Aug - 2 Sept. If you search the archives from a 
few months ago you’ll see detailed responses I had from Ken and Dan when I 
asked a similar question.
Like you, I was disappointed that you can only nibble at the fringes of The 
Park. But from the research I’ve done, it seems that you do have options.

1. There is a lot to Alaska outside of the park. One itinerary I was looking at 
did a clockwise loop from Fairbanks down to the coast, by ferry over to Seward 
or Whittier, up to Anchorage, back to Fairbanks…
2. You can ride the shuttle buses into the Park, hike, camp, go back to the 
road, catch another shuttle, drop off again, hike camp etc.
3. You can stay at one of 5 (IIRC) different lodges/resorts that are at the end 
of the park road, 85± miles in. Megabucks, minimum stay of 3 or 4 nights. But 
it is an option (the option I went with).
4. You can stay outside the park and take day trips in on the shuttles, getting 
off different places different days. Note that the hotels near the entrance are 
super expensive, the town a few miles north toward Fairbanks has more 
reasonable prices.
5. You could drive past the park, go on down to the coastal area and watch the 
bear/salmon interaction…
6. Note that you can easily find RV rentals and not have to worry so much about 
where to stay...

One resource I used which you might find useful is TravelAlaska.com  The 
outfits which advertise there (e.g., tour companies, RV Rentals, etc.) have 
suggested itineraries, lists of “what to do in x days” etc. 

stan

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
> can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
> buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
> particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Ken has taken spectacular photos there.
>> 
>> When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can enjoy 
>> them again.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>> On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  
>> wrote:
>>> I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
>>> to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
>>> Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
>>> have made the trip and have any words of advice.
>>> 
>>> My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
>>> different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
>>> drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
>>> leave from Anchorage.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
>>> Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
>>> just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
>>> the cost ... hiking options, etc.
>> 
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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

Of course you should take that bus ride... but if you drove the "Denali 
Highway"
between Cantwell and Paxton you'd be out in the wild for photography 
sufficiently

without the difficulties and dangers of doing any serious hiking there...
There are other roads to wander in a bit but one has to make sure onehas 
the fuel.


ann

On 11/15/2015 10:20 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:

Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can enjoy 
them again.

Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.

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PESO -- Caption Contest

2015-11-15 Thread Igor PDML-StR



"Trick or treat?!"
Or "out of season".


This photo reminded  me of an old question why programmers mix Halloween 
and Christmas.

Because oct(31)=dec(25).




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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Eloquently put... I suspect Godder's "question" was rhetorical, but you
knew that

ann

On 11/15/2015 10:08 AM, knarf wrote:

I've typed and re-typed several responses to this, Godfrey. I think I'll send
this one, regarding your question about whether this violence will ever stop.

These sorts of horrific events cause a lot of soul - searching and looking for
answers. Unfortunately, in these modern times, these contemplations occur with
dismal frequency.

I'm going to preface what I say by stating that ~apparently~ we live in one of
the least violent times in the history of the world. It sure doesn't feel that
way, but statistics indicate that. Small consolation to the victims in Paris or
Tel Aviv or Baghdad, I know...

Cheap, easily - obtained weapons. Combatants who have nothing to lose and are
more than prepared to kill themselves for their cause. Very heavily armed,
militarized nation-states. All of this and more almost ensure that these events
will continue to occur. Add to that groups who feel that they've been oppressed
for decades or centuries and the mix is lethal.

And of course what's going on in the Middle East and how The West is handling it increase
the inevitability that the violence will spill over into Europe and North America. Ironic
that Hollande screams that the Friday the 13th attacks were "an act of war"
when in fact France is engaging in warlike behaviour in Iraq.

Over 17,000 civilians died in Iraq last year. At least 1,700 died as a result
of International Coalition or Iraqi Air Force air strikes. Another 10,000 died
from unidentified combatants.

Is it any wonder ISIS is leaving "calling cards" on home soil of those they see
as combatants in their homeland? I'm neither condoning nor justifying these heinous
atrocities, but they're hardly surprising.

Wars are going on all over the world. Innocent civilians are dying daily (50 of them in
Iraq on Friday, for instance). We, insulated in the comfort of the affluent West, don't
bat an eyelash. We don't even notice. But when the violence hits "our" shores
it's the end of the world.

These things are going to keep happening. The change required to stop them will
never happen (see above re: heavily armed nation-states - that includes the
militarization of police forces). Even if radical change does occur, these
events might continue. Maybe it's just human nature. Combined with cheap
weapons.

But we're living in the least violent time in human history...

Regards,

frank

On November 14, 2015 5:29:15 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Indeed.

I think of this with the same feelings of sadness, outrage, and horror
that comes to mind when I hear of trouble in and near Tel Aviv,
worrying for Boris and his family.

Can we not stop these atrocities? A century of senseless violence and
horror behind us... Is there another one to come? What will it take to
put an end to it all?

I grieve.

On Nov 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Brian Walters

wrote:

Mike Johnston's piece today is quite simple and eloquent, I thought:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2015/11/to-our-friends.html

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, at 02:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/france/fr_1x._V288659243_.png

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Re: Anyone been to Denali ?

2015-11-15 Thread Alan C

With all that advice available you're bound to have a perfect trip. What a 
place to visit. Keyboard from Adorama?


Alan C

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From: Darren Addy

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:16 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

thanks to ken and ann for the advice. i will look up ken's former
threads, but won't be able to do so until late this afternoon.
appreciate hearing about the milepost.

ps... for those who think i've just become a hipster, this keyboard
seems no longer capable of typing capital letters. ;\

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:48 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:



On 11/15/2015 10:49 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:


We’ll be there next summer.  29 Aug - 2 Sept. If you search the archives
from a few months ago you’ll see detailed responses I had from Ken and 
Dan

when I asked a similar question.
Like you, I was disappointed that you can only nibble at the fringes of
The Park. But from the research I’ve done, it seems that you do have
options.

1. There is a lot to Alaska outside of the park. One itinerary I was
looking at did a clockwise loop from Fairbanks down to the coast, by 
ferry

over to Seward or Whittier, up to Anchorage, back to Fairbanks…
2. You can ride the shuttle buses into the Park, hike, camp, go back to
the road, catch another shuttle, drop off again, hike camp etc.
3. You can stay at one of 5 (IIRC) different lodges/resorts that are at
the end of the park road, 85± miles in. Megabucks, minimum stay of 3 or 4
nights. But it is an option (the option I went with).
4. You can stay outside the park and take day trips in on the shuttles,
getting off different places different days. Note that the hotels near 
the

entrance are super expensive, the town a few miles north toward Fairbanks
has more reasonable prices.
5. You could drive past the park, go on down to the coastal area and 
watch

the bear/salmon interaction…
6. Note that you can easily find RV rentals and not have to worry so much
about where to stay...

One resource I used which you might find useful is TravelAlaska.com  The
outfits which advertise there (e.g., tour companies, RV Rentals, etc.) 
have

suggested itineraries, lists of “what to do in x days” etc.

stan


On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:


Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can
enjoy them again.

Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy 


wrote:


I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.


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Re: OT: Solidarité!

The goals of the Islamic State are real and historical. Even the NY Times 
recognizes that. It has nothing to do With "right wing" interpretations. 
Liberal whine doesn't apply here. But I'm in mourning, not going to continue 
with this.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 1:02 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate the 
> world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken seriously. 
> 
> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle East and 
> possibly North Africa.
> 
> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago in 
> right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud or someone's 
> pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted to fan the flames of 
> anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of the Elders of Zion in the late 
> 19th century. 
> 
> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it happened to 
> Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs. But it's a great 
> propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.
> 
> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers or blame 
> anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way more people in 
> Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq military.
> 
> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the future. 
> And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up people. We should do 
> our best to stop it. Because it's going to happen, again and again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 15, 2015 12:15:59 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>> I agree that the world is less violent than it has ever been. I also
>> agree that the US and allies were mistaken in their zeal to remove the
>> oppressive dictators who at least controlled the fringe elements of
>> their world. Fringe elements that have thrived and grown powerful in an
>> environment that was meant to be democratic. But the goal of the
>> Islamic State is apocalyptic. Armageddon and world domination is their
>> historical and oft-stated goal. They are a real and constant danger,
>> and ignoring the threat won't make it go away. 
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
 On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:54 AM, ann sanfedele 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eloquently put... I suspect Godder's "question" was rhetorical, but
>> you knew that
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 11/15/2015 10:08 AM, knarf wrote:
 I've typed and re-typed several responses to this, Godfrey. I think
>> I'll send this one, regarding your question about whether this violence
>> will ever stop.
 
 These sorts of horrific events cause a lot of soul - searching and
>> looking for answers. Unfortunately, in these modern times, these
>> contemplations occur with dismal frequency.
 
 I'm going to preface what I say by stating that ~apparently~ we live
>> in one of the least violent times in the history of the world. It sure
>> doesn't feel that way, but statistics indicate that. Small consolation
>> to the victims in Paris or Tel Aviv or Baghdad, I know...
 
 Cheap, easily - obtained  weapons. Combatants who have nothing to
>> lose and are more than prepared to kill themselves for their cause.
>> Very heavily armed, militarized nation-states. All of this and more
>> almost ensure that these events will continue to occur. Add to that
>> groups who feel that they've been oppressed for decades or centuries
>> and the mix is lethal.
 
 And of course what's going on in the Middle East and how The West is
>> handling it increase the inevitability that the violence will spill
>> over into Europe and North America. Ironic that Hollande screams that
>> the Friday the 13th attacks were "an act of war" when in fact France is
>> engaging in warlike behaviour in Iraq.
 
 Over 17,000 civilians died in Iraq last year. At least 1,700 died as
>> a result of International Coalition or Iraqi Air Force air strikes.
>> Another 10,000 died from unidentified combatants.
 
 Is it any wonder ISIS is leaving "calling cards" on home soil of
>> those they see as combatants in their homeland? I'm neither condoning
>> nor justifying these heinous atrocities, but they're hardly surprising.
 
 Wars are going on all over the world. Innocent civilians are dying
>> daily (50 of them in Iraq on Friday, for instance). We, insulated in
>> the comfort of the affluent West, don't bat an eyelash. We don't even
>> notice. But when the violence hits "our" shores it's the end of the
>> world.
 
 These things are going to keep happening. The change required to
>> stop them will never happen (see above re: heavily armed nation-states
>> - that includes the militarization of police forces). Even if radical
>> change does occur, these events might continue. Maybe it's just human
>> nature. Combined with cheap weapons.
 
 But we're living in the least

Re: OT: Solidarité!

Right. New York times. Like I said, right-wing media outlets...

Cheers, 

frank (running, ducking, hiding)

PS: In all seriousness, take care of yourself, Paul. I'll back out of this 
conversation now as well. You've got enough burden on your shoulders at this 
difficult time...

On November 15, 2015 1:37:07 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>The goals of the Islamic State are real and historical. Even the NY
>Times recognizes that. It has nothing to do With "right wing"
>interpretations. Liberal whine doesn't apply here. But I'm in mourning,
>not going to continue with this.
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 1:02 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate
>the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken seriously. 
>> 
>> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle
>East and possibly North Africa.
>> 
>> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago in
>right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud or
>someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted to
>fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of the
>Elders of Zion in the late 19th century. 
>> 
>> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it
>happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs. But
>it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.
>> 
>> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers
>or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way
>more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq military.
>> 
>> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the
>future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up
>people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to happen,
>again and again.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On November 15, 2015 12:15:59 PM EST, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
>>> I agree that the world is less violent than it has ever been. I also
>>> agree that the US and allies were mistaken in their zeal to remove
>the
>>> oppressive dictators who at least controlled the fringe elements of
>>> their world. Fringe elements that have thrived and grown powerful in
>an
>>> environment that was meant to be democratic. But the goal of the
>>> Islamic State is apocalyptic. Armageddon and world domination is
>their
>>> historical and oft-stated goal. They are a real and constant danger,
>>> and ignoring the threat won't make it go away. 
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:54 AM, ann sanfedele 
 wrote:
 
 Eloquently put... I suspect Godder's "question" was rhetorical, but
>>> you knew that
 
 ann
 
> On 11/15/2015 10:08 AM, knarf wrote:
> I've typed and re-typed several responses to this, Godfrey. I
>think
>>> I'll send this one, regarding your question about whether this
>violence
>>> will ever stop.
> 
> These sorts of horrific events cause a lot of soul - searching and
>>> looking for answers. Unfortunately, in these modern times, these
>>> contemplations occur with dismal frequency.
> 
> I'm going to preface what I say by stating that ~apparently~ we
>live
>>> in one of the least violent times in the history of the world. It
>sure
>>> doesn't feel that way, but statistics indicate that. Small
>consolation
>>> to the victims in Paris or Tel Aviv or Baghdad, I know...
> 
> Cheap, easily - obtained  weapons. Combatants who have nothing to
>>> lose and are more than prepared to kill themselves for their cause.
>>> Very heavily armed, militarized nation-states. All of this and more
>>> almost ensure that these events will continue to occur. Add to that
>>> groups who feel that they've been oppressed for decades or centuries
>>> and the mix is lethal.
> 
> And of course what's going on in the Middle East and how The West
>is
>>> handling it increase the inevitability that the violence will spill
>>> over into Europe and North America. Ironic that Hollande screams
>that
>>> the Friday the 13th attacks were "an act of war" when in fact France
>is
>>> engaging in warlike behaviour in Iraq.
> 
> Over 17,000 civilians died in Iraq last year. At least 1,700 died
>as
>>> a result of International Coalition or Iraqi Air Force air strikes.
>>> Another 10,000 died from unidentified combatants.
> 
> Is it any wonder ISIS is leaving "calling cards" on home soil of
>>> those they see as combatants in their homeland? I'm neither
>condoning
>>> nor justifying these heinous atrocities, but they're hardly
>surprising.
> 
> Wars are going on all over the world. Innocent civilians are dying
>>> daily (50 of them in Iraq on Friday, for instance). We, insulated in
>>> the comfort of the affluent West, don't bat an eyelash. We don't
>even
>>> notice. But when the

Re: OT: Solidarité!

Of course I knew it was rhetorical.  :-)

I was just gushing to the list in general, out of frustration and a need to 
vent.

It feels that this sort of thing has been going on for my whole life - almost 6 
decades now. One wonders if it's ever going to stop. And one tries to cope with 
the realization that it may not.

Thanks for listening.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 2:14:34 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>Indeed: rhetorical. But thanks for the attempt at a response. 
>
>G
>
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:54 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> Eloquently put... I suspect Godder's "question" was rhetorical, but
>you knew that

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Re: A weekend up North

Lots of good ones, but the first two are exceptional.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 6:02 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Grim, perhaps, but so photogenic!
> Love this, especially
> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/content/P0150028_large.html
> and this
> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/content/P0140017_large.html
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/15/2015 5:28 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> By 'eck, it were grim.
>> 
>> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
>> 
>> B
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I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
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On 11/15/2015 5:28 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

By 'eck, it were grim.

http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

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Re: A weekend up North


I particularly liked that one too
ann

On 11/15/2015 6:14 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob W-PDML wrote:


By 'eck, it were grim.

http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

Great stuff. The last one
(http://www.web-options.com/York2015/content/P0150034_large.html) is
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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?


Check out the road lottery. You might get lucky and win the chance to
buy a one-day permit to drive as much of the park as you can see weather
permitting.

http://www.nps.gov/dena/planyourvisit/road-lottery.htm

On 11/15/2015 10:20 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:

Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can enjoy 
them again.

Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.


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Re: OT: Solidarité!


On 11/14/2015 10:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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France was one of the first nations to speak up for the U.S. after 9/11.
Now is the time for us to speak up for them.

Je suis Charlie!

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Re: OT: Solidarité!


Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of its
maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries.

That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine,
Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the Balkans
to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya,
Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic,
Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states along
the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of
India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.

If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for government
work.

Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is questionable,
but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians
anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms about
killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise.

There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic
Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of ISIS/ISIL.
There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm
afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic
Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding in
their midst.

Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest,
spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is not
anti-Islamic fervor.

And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World Domination"
in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with Holocaust
Denial.


On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote:

ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate
the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken
seriously.

It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle
East and possibly North Africa.

That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago
in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud
or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted
to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of
the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century.

"World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it
happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs.
But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.

Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers
or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way
more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq
military.

But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the
future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up
people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to
happen, again and again.

Cheers,

frank




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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

I've been to Denali, although in mid summer.  It was an incredible
place to visit at that time, but crowded with tourists.  It should be
magnificent in the late summer or early fall, after the height of the
tourist season.

There is, however, a ,much better place to visit, both for the
experience of Alaska and for photo opportunities:  Katmai National
Park:

.
http://www.nps.gov/katm/index.htm
http://www.nps.gov/katm/planyourvisit/bear-watching.htm

Almost every image you have ever seen of grizzlies catching salmon at
a waterfall was taken at Katmai.  It is wilder than Denali, and
further south and  more maritime, so the light and the good weather
last longer into the year.

A large bonus is the magnificent volcanic site, , "The Valley of 10,000 Smokes":

http://www.nps.gov/katm/planyourvisit/exploring-the-valley-of-ten-thousand-smokes.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Ten_Thousand_Smokes

I recommend Katmai NP most highly.  IMO, only Yosemite can compete
with it for a unique and unforgettable experience.

One must book well in advance.  It may already be to late to book a
cabin in the park for 2016, but one can always stay in King Salmon, as
we did, and take a float plane into the park every morning.

Dan
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
> to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
> Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
> have made the trip and have any words of advice.
>
> My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
> different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
> drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
> leave from Anchorage.
>
> I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
> Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
> just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
> the cost ... hiking options, etc.
>
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A weekend up North

By 'eck, it were grim.

http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

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Grim, perhaps, but so photogenic!
Love this, especially
http://www.web-options.com/York2015/content/P0150028_large.html
and this
http://www.web-options.com/York2015/content/P0140017_large.html

ann

On 11/15/2015 5:28 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

By 'eck, it were grim.

http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a "Grossdeutschland", 
a sort of Super Germany which would include all the ethnic Germans in Europe, 
plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially buffer states much like the USSRs 
East European satellite states post WWII. He wanted to defeat Russia, more to 
eradicate communism that actually take over Russia. He'd have never fought the 
Battle of Britain had Britain not opposed Germany's eastern expansion.

This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. 

Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That included the 
ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria, China, the Pacific 
islands) the same way the US treated the Americas and Britain treated their 
Empire. 

Again, domination  of their part of the world, not world domination.

I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather orthodox 
historical views is anything like Holocaust denial.

As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not saying 
they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now will guarantee a 
continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on Friday - or worse.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John  wrote:
>Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of
>its
>maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries.
>
>That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine,
>Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the
>Balkans
>to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya,
>Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic,
>Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states along
>the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of
>India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.
>
>If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for
>government
>work.
>
>Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is questionable,
>but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians
>anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms
>about
>killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise.
>
>There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic
>Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of ISIS/ISIL.
>There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm
>afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic
>Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding in
>their midst.
>
>Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest,
>spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is
>not
>anti-Islamic fervor.
>
>And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World
>Domination"
>in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with Holocaust
>Denial.
>
>
>On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote:
>> ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate
>> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken
>> seriously.
>>
>> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle
>> East and possibly North Africa.
>>
>> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago
>> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud
>> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted
>> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of
>> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century.
>>
>> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it
>> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs.
>> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.
>>
>> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers
>> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way
>> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq
>> military.
>>
>> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the
>> future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up
>> people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to
>> happen, again and again.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>

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Re: OT: Solidarité!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM

On 11/14/2015 7:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

You could try this one instead:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=baje6sbpEXs

B


On 14 Nov 2015, at 21:01, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Yes ...  I wanted to post Edith Piaf singing "the Last time I saw Paris" but 
tech difficulties ensued.
did the facebook flag colors ...

Thanks Bob, Rick, Dan for photographic statements..

How simply awful it all is

ann



On 11/14/2015 1:03 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34822281




On 14 Nov 2015, at 15:02, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/france/fr_1x._V288659243_.png

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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a 
> "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the 
> ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially 
> buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post WWII. 
> He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that actually take 
> over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain had Britain not 
> opposed Germany's eastern expansion.
> 
> This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. 
> 
> Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That included 
> the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria, China, the 
> Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas and Britain treated 
> their Empire. 
> 
> Again, domination  of their part of the world, not world domination.
> 
> I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather orthodox 
> historical views is anything like Holocaust denial.
> 
> As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not saying 
> they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now will guarantee 
> a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on Friday - or worse.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John  wrote:
>> Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of
>> its
>> maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries.
>> 
>> That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine,
>> Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the
>> Balkans
>> to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya,
>> Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic,
>> Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states along
>> the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of
>> India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.
>> 
>> If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for
>> government
>> work.
>> 
>> Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is questionable,
>> but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians
>> anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms
>> about
>> killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise.
>> 
>> There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic
>> Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of ISIS/ISIL.
>> There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm
>> afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic
>> Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding in
>> their midst.
>> 
>> Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest,
>> spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is
>> not
>> anti-Islamic fervor.
>> 
>> And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World
>> Domination"
>> in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with Holocaust
>> Denial.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote:
>>> ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate
>>> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken
>>> seriously.
>>> 
>>> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle
>>> East and possibly North Africa.
>>> 
>>> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago
>>> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud
>>> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted
>>> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of
>>> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century.
>>> 
>>> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it
>>> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs.
>>> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers
>>> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way
>>> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq
>>> military.
>>> 
>>> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the
>>> future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up
>>> people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to
>>> happen, again and again.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
> 
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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

2015-11-15 Thread Rick Womer

Excellent, Bruce! 

I wonder what her grandmother thinks about her tattoo...

Rick

On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Molly Fassbender has a fascination with self-portraits, so I brought
> my little collection of vintage cameras along to our shoot last
> Thursday.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22923705145/lightbox/
> 
> 645Z, DFA645 90mm f:2.8 Macro, f:11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO, handheld.
> 
> One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM boomed directly overhead.
> 
> Model: Molly Fassbender
> Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich
> 
> Comments welcome, as always!
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

 I've read them. Just a notch below holocaust deniers. More rationalizing. 
ISIS is okay. We're okay, they're okay. Let's all hug.


> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize 
>> Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
> 
> ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
> Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
> Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
> considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
> various books on the war may be better for a casual read – try The
> "Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
> historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
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Re: K-3 and perfect focus

2015-11-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Repeat after me: "Manual focus solves these issues." 
Unless you like nice sharp photos of microphones... :-)

G

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
> a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
> and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait


Wasn't there a Photoshop advertising campaign on that theme?

On 11/15/2015 8:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Thanks, Rick.

Don't know about nana, but her mother's none too pleased, I hear. But
Molly has made it her goal to tattoo her entire body, so Mom is going
to have come to terms with that. :)


On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Excellent, Bruce!

I wonder what her grandmother thinks about her tattoo...

Rick

On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Molly Fassbender has a fascination with self-portraits, so I brought
my little collection of vintage cameras along to our shoot last
Thursday.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22923705145/lightbox/

645Z, DFA645 90mm f:2.8 Macro, f:11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO, handheld.

One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM boomed directly overhead.

Model: Molly Fassbender
Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich

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Re: A weekend up North

Bob W-PDML wrote:

>By 'eck, it were grim.
>
>http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

Great stuff. The last one
(http://www.web-options.com/York2015/content/P0150034_large.html) is
my favorite. Very Theriaultean.

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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
>
>
> 1. There is a lot to Alaska outside of the park.

Yes, indeed, there is.

One of the most interesting places we visited is Kotzebue, on the
Northwest coast.  It sits on a spit of land jutting into an arm of the
Bering Sea.  The tundra stretches as far as one can see, with
permafrost just a few inches under the surface.  Native Alaskan
culture is presented by the Inupiat tribal elders and youth of this
remote village governed by  native Alaskan corporation.  Totally
different from anything one will see on a shore excursion from a
cruise ship.

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Grim weather, but great images.

The last image is quite fascinating;  I like it quite a bit.

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> By 'eck, it were grim.
>
> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
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Re: PESO - Beauty and the Beast

Beautiful and interesting.

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> A view from the top floor of my hotel in Salt Lake City. The beauty, of 
> course, is the surrounding mountains. The beast is the ugly, sprawling 
> development.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18127931=lg
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> Comments appreciated.
>
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Then we'll leave it at that. I found it disturbing, but this has not been a 
good week for me.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust 
>> denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that 
>> bad.
> 
> Sorry, I didn't detect any of that in Frank's post.
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Hmmm...

I think I'll just let my posts speak for themselves, rather than argue that 
point with you, Paul. I don't think anything that I said suggested Hitler as 
"not really all that bad."

In case it needs clarification: Hitler was one of the most evil individuals 
that the world has yet produced. I'm not saying the most evil because one could 
make a case for Stalin or Mao  (each of whom may have actually killed more of 
their own than Hitler). 

But the systematic, organized way he attempted (and came frighteningly close 
to) the genocide of the Jewish people is unparalleled. That alone qualifies him 
as the most evil, IMHO.

I just want to make that point unequivocally. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:16:05 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal
>holocaust denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't
>really all that bad. I agree, it was weird.
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>> 
>> knarf wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, Mark!  I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who
>knew it was actually accurate?
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> By the way, there *is* disagreement among historians about whether
>the
>> goal of Hitler's invasion of Russia was the destruction of the
>> communist Soviet Union itself or to convince Britain to surrender by
>> removing the USSR as a potential ally. There are good cases made on
>> both sides.
>> 
>> 
 On November 15, 2015 8:42:04 PM EST, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
> Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to
>rationalize
 Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
 
 ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing*
>them.
 Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
 Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
 considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
 various books on the war may be better for a casual read ? try The
 "Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
 historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. 

*reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a 
friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-)

thanks for playing, 
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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

I must admit, curiosity got the best of me and I Googled Molly and looked at 
images of her. The tattoos are progressing nicely. Her back is really filling 
in.

I'm not a huge tattoo fan - I don't have a problem with them but neither am I 
enamored with them. Hers are quite interesting though.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 8:40:59 PM EST, Bruce Walker  
wrote:
>Thanks, Rick.
>
>Don't know about nana, but her mother's none too pleased, I hear. But
>Molly has made it her goal to tattoo her entire body, so Mom is going
>to have come to terms with that. :)
>
>
>On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rick Womer 
>wrote:
>> Excellent, Bruce!
>>
>> I wonder what her grandmother thinks about her tattoo...
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Molly Fassbender has a fascination with self-portraits, so I brought
>>> my little collection of vintage cameras along to our shoot last
>>> Thursday.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22923705145/lightbox/
>>>
>>> 645Z, DFA645 90mm f:2.8 Macro, f:11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO, handheld.
>>>
>>> One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM boomed directly overhead.
>>>
>>> Model: Molly Fassbender
>>> Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich
>>>
>>> Comments welcome, as always!
>>>
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. 
>
>*reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a 
>friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-)
>
>thanks for playing, 

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Re: K-3 and perfect focus


On 11/15/2015 6:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
on a musicians microphone.



I don't think that's a problem with your equipment.

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PESO - Beauty and the Beast

2015-11-15 Thread Rick Womer

A view from the top floor of my hotel in Salt Lake City. The beauty, of course, 
is the surrounding mountains. The beast is the ugly, sprawling development.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18127931=lg

Comments appreciated.

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Re: A weekend up North

Wonderful gallery!

The first, last and second last are my favourites. 

The red balloon reminds me.of the famous French movie. Very cool.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 5:28:06 PM EST, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>By 'eck, it were grim.
>
>http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
>
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Re: My Wife, Marlene

2015-11-15 Thread James King

Paul, I’m so sorry to read that Marlene has finally passed. Please accept my 
sympathy for you and your family during this difficult time.

At least she departed in the way she wanted, with her family and in the embrace 
of hospice care.

Regards, 
Jim King

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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize Hitler's 
goals. That's laughable.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:07 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's exactly what I said Paul. 
> 
> Good argument, BTW. 
> 
> LOL! 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 15, 2015 8:00:31 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>> Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a
>> "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the
>> ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially
>> buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post
>> WWII. He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that
>> actually take over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain
>> had Britain not opposed Germany's eastern expansion.
>>> 
>>> This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. 
>>> 
>>> Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That
>> included the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria,
>> China, the Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas
>> and Britain treated their Empire. 
>>> 
>>> Again, domination  of their part of the world, not world domination.
>>> 
>>> I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather
>> orthodox historical views is anything like Holocaust denial.
>>> 
>>> As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not
>> saying they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now
>> will guarantee a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on
>> Friday - or worse.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John 
>> wrote:
 Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of
 its
 maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries.
 
 That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine,
 Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the
 Balkans
 to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya,
 Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic,
 Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states
>> along
 the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of
 India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.
 
 If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for
 government
 work.
 
 Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is
>> questionable,
 but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians
 anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms
 about
 killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise.
 
 There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic
 Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of
>> ISIS/ISIL.
 There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm
 afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic
 Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding
>> in
 their midst.
 
 Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest,
 spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is
 not
 anti-Islamic fervor.
 
 And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World
 Domination"
 in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with
>> Holocaust
 Denial.
 
 
> On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote:
> ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate
> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken
> seriously.
> 
> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle
> East and possibly North Africa.
> 
> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago
> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud
> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were
>> concocted
> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of
> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century.
> 
> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it
> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs.
> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.
> 
> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers
> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way
> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq
> military.
> 
> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in
>> the
>

Re: OT: Solidarité!

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize 
>Hitler's goals. That's laughable.

??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
various books on the war may be better for a casual read  try The
"Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.

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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

2015-11-15 Thread Bruce Walker

Thanks, Rick.

Don't know about nana, but her mother's none too pleased, I hear. But
Molly has made it her goal to tattoo her entire body, so Mom is going
to have come to terms with that. :)


On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Excellent, Bruce!
>
> I wonder what her grandmother thinks about her tattoo...
>
> Rick
>
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>
>> Molly Fassbender has a fascination with self-portraits, so I brought
>> my little collection of vintage cameras along to our shoot last
>> Thursday.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22923705145/lightbox/
>>
>> 645Z, DFA645 90mm f:2.8 Macro, f:11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO, handheld.
>>
>> One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM boomed directly overhead.
>>
>> Model: Molly Fassbender
>> Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich
>>
>> Comments welcome, as always!
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I've read them. Just a notch below holocaust deniers. More rationalizing. 
>ISIS is okay. We're okay, they're okay. Let's all hug.

OK. This is getting weird. None of those are even close to being
holocaust denial (particularly in the case of Lukacs, who barely
escaped the death camps himself in Hungary during the war).


>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize 
>>> Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
>> 
>> ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
>> Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
>> Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
>> considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
>> various books on the war may be better for a casual read  try The
>> "Last European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
>> historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
 
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

knarf wrote:

>Wow, Mark!  I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who knew it was 
>actually accurate?

;-)

By the way, there *is* disagreement among historians about whether the
goal of Hitler's invasion of Russia was the destruction of the
communist Soviet Union itself or to convince Britain to surrender by
removing the USSR as a potential ally. There are good cases made on
both sides.


>On November 15, 2015 8:42:04 PM EST, Mark Roberts  
>wrote:
>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize
>>Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
>>
>>??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
>>Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
>>Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
>>considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
>>various books on the war may be better for a casual read ? try The
>>"Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
>>historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
 
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Re: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread Christine Aguila

Hi Bob:  

The last frame is stunning!  Really quite excellent!

Any sightings of The Great Wilsons?

I see the Druid flora is all nicely erected—though looking quite pale!

Hope all is well!

Cheers, Christine 

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> By 'eck, it were grim.
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
> 
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Thank you. That works for me.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:34 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm...
> 
> I think I'll just let my posts speak for themselves, rather than argue that 
> point with you, Paul. I don't think anything that I said suggested Hitler as 
> "not really all that bad."
> 
> In case it needs clarification: Hitler was one of the most evil individuals 
> that the world has yet produced. I'm not saying the most evil because one 
> could make a case for Stalin or Mao  (each of whom may have actually killed 
> more of their own than Hitler). 
> 
> But the systematic, organized way he attempted (and came frighteningly close 
> to) the genocide of the Jewish people is unparalleled. That alone qualifies 
> him as the most evil, IMHO.
> 
> I just want to make that point unequivocally. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 15, 2015 9:16:05 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>> The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal
>> holocaust denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't
>> really all that bad. I agree, it was weird.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
 On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> knarf wrote:
>>> 
 Wow, Mark!  I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who
>> knew it was actually accurate?
>>> 
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> By the way, there *is* disagreement among historians about whether
>> the
>>> goal of Hitler's invasion of Russia was the destruction of the
>>> communist Soviet Union itself or to convince Britain to surrender by
>>> removing the USSR as a potential ally. There are good cases made on
>>> both sides.
>>> 
>>> 
> On November 15, 2015 8:42:04 PM EST, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to
>> rationalize
> Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
> 
> ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing*
>> them.
> Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
> Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
> considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
> various books on the war may be better for a casual read ? try The
> "Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
> historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

They started it.

Okay, I ~may~ have actually said the word "Hitler" first but they made me do 
it.  LOL!

Okay, I won't say it again. 

Hitler. 

Oh damn. Last time, I promise! 

I like your rule, Godfrey. I'm out of this discussion. Thanks for moderating.

:-)

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:45:28 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
wrote:
>Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. 
>
>*reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned
>in a friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-)
>
>thanks for playing, 
>G

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Re: PESO re-posted, in sympathy and solidarity

What Frank said.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:05 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what 
> a beautiful and moving image this is.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904
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Re: Geso : Alaska shots (inclu Denali :-))

That is a superior gallery, Ann!

Great wilderness landscapes; nice close-ups of flora and fauna;
effective lifestyle views;  a great portrait of a great region of our
country.

I was especially drawn in by the image with th listing telephone poles
and quite amused by the mass of signage.

Fine jog overall.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:48 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Don't know where Ken is... You'll have to settle for some of minefor the
> moment.
>
> These are the photos in the  Up the Alcan calendar plusa few more...
>
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/Unfinishedalcan/n-2bspQh/
>
> Darren - the area around THE mountain in the park is all tundra- scruffy low
> lying vegetation
> and a lot of gravel and mud...  but along the georgepark between denali and
> Anchorage there
> is pretty fall stuff - and south of Anchorage as well..
>
> To Stan's excellent suggestions I will emphasize again purchasing The
> Milepostasap - it
> is invaluableand better than most stuff on the web I think.
>
> Thanks to everyone who bought the calendar, btw  - the order is in...
>
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Yes, that's exactly what I said Paul. 

Good argument, BTW. 

LOL! 

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 8:00:31 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank.
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a
>"Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the
>ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially
>buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post
>WWII. He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that
>actually take over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain
>had Britain not opposed Germany's eastern expansion.
>> 
>> This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. 
>> 
>> Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That
>included the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria,
>China, the Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas
>and Britain treated their Empire. 
>> 
>> Again, domination  of their part of the world, not world domination.
>> 
>> I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather
>orthodox historical views is anything like Holocaust denial.
>> 
>> As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not
>saying they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now
>will guarantee a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on
>Friday - or worse.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John 
>wrote:
>>> Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of
>>> its
>>> maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries.
>>> 
>>> That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine,
>>> Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the
>>> Balkans
>>> to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya,
>>> Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic,
>>> Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states
>along
>>> the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of
>>> India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.
>>> 
>>> If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for
>>> government
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is
>questionable,
>>> but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians
>>> anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms
>>> about
>>> killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise.
>>> 
>>> There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic
>>> Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of
>ISIS/ISIL.
>>> There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm
>>> afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic
>>> Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding
>in
>>> their midst.
>>> 
>>> Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest,
>>> spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is
>>> not
>>> anti-Islamic fervor.
>>> 
>>> And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World
>>> Domination"
>>> in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with
>Holocaust
>>> Denial.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote:
 ISIS or ISIL  or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate
 the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken
 seriously.
 
 It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle
 East and possibly North Africa.
 
 That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago
 in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud
 or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were
>concocted
 to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of
 the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century.
 
 "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it
 happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs.
 But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment.
 
 Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers
 or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way
 more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq
 military.
 
 But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in
>the
 future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up
 people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to
 happen, again and again.
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Wow, Mark!  I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who knew it was 
actually accurate?

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 8:42:04 PM EST, Mark Roberts  
wrote:
>Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>>Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize
>Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
>
>??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
>Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
>Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
>considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
>various books on the war may be better for a casual read  try The
>"Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
>historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
> 

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Re: Geso : Alaska shots (inclu Denali :-))


Thanks, Dan... I presume it brought back some memories

The signpost forest in Watson Lake , Yukon is right along the Alcan and 
started when the road was being built...
It extended well beyond the width of my frame and growscontinually.  
I'ts on the west side of the town, at the
junction with the Campbell highway (which is not a highway in any sense 
most of us know, but it does take you
up to intersect with the Klondike HIghway and Dawson and ferry across 
the Yukon to the Top of the World Highway...
To quote my 1992 MILEPOST it"was started by Carl K Lindley of Danville, 
Il a US arm soldier in company D, 341st Engineers, working on the 
construction of the Alaska Highway in 1942".  He was scheduled to 
visitWatson Lakein 1992 atthe 50th Anniversary of the highway.
Took this in 1989 - the 1992 Milepost said there were 13,000 signs and 
people travelling the Alcan bring more.

That's my sweetheart observing them for scale in the photo

The farthest west wegot in Alaska proper was the Homer Spit...

I think about Blurbing - but maybe another calendar  of the just 
funkier, quirky stufffirst


ann

On 11/15/2015 7:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a superior gallery, Ann!

Great wilderness landscapes; nice close-ups of flora and fauna;
effective lifestyle views;  a great portrait of a great region of our
country.

I was especially drawn in by the image with th listing telephone poles
and quite amused by the mass of signage.

Fine jog overall.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:48 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Don't know where Ken is... You'll have to settle for some of minefor the
moment.

These are the photos in the  Up the Alcan calendar plusa few more...

https://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/Unfinishedalcan/n-2bspQh/

Darren - the area around THE mountain in the park is all tundra- scruffy low
lying vegetation
and a lot of gravel and mud...  but along the georgepark between denali and
Anchorage there
is pretty fall stuff - and south of Anchorage as well..

To Stan's excellent suggestions I will emphasize again purchasing The
Milepostasap - it
is invaluableand better than most stuff on the web I think.

Thanks to everyone who bought the calendar, btw  - the order is in...

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Re: OT: Solidarité!

The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust 
denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that 
bad. I agree, it was weird.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> knarf wrote:
> 
>> Wow, Mark!  I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who knew it 
>> was actually accurate?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> By the way, there *is* disagreement among historians about whether the
> goal of Hitler's invasion of Russia was the destruction of the
> communist Soviet Union itself or to convince Britain to surrender by
> removing the USSR as a potential ally. There are good cases made on
> both sides.
> 
> 
>>> On November 15, 2015 8:42:04 PM EST, Mark Roberts 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize
>>> Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
>>> 
>>> ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
>>> Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
>>> Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
>>> considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
>>> various books on the war may be better for a casual read ? try The
>>> "Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
>>> historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust 
>denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that 
>bad.

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Re: OT: Solidarité!

When I was a kid, I wondered: if Japan wanted to take over the world, and 
Germany wanted to take over the world, what would have happened if the Axis 
powers actually won WWII?

They'd be standing staring at each other, prolly in Russia or in the middle of 
the Pacific or something, all like, "What do we do now? We can't, like, split 
up the world 'cause we each want World Domination! Geez, we never figured on 
this happening. I guess we have to fight each other to the death now."

Well, I grew up and actually took some history courses and learned that neither 
of them really wanted to take over the world. Only The Brain really wanted that 
and he's quite insane. 

They (Germany and Japan) were definitely bad guys. At least their leaders were. 
They did nasty and horrible things. Like atrocities in China. And using POWs as 
slave labour to buildevi railways. And the Holocaust.

But just because they were evil doesn't mean they wanted to take over the 
world. They just had a warped sense of what they were entitled to and we're 
prepared to kill lots of people to do it. We added the "take over the world" 
thing as wartime propaganda to galvanize our citizenry against the enemy - they 
needed that, especially in the US where there was a lot of pro-German 
sentiment. That's maybe why you guys stood by and did nothing while Germany 
bombed the living crap outta London and the rest of England.

And I'll say it again to you Paul, suggesting that my description of history 
(which as Mark says is quite orthodox) is in some way akin to Holocaust denial 
is really stooping quite low. It's an association fallacy and quite irrelevant 
to the discussion at hand.

Finally, I'd ask you to read my posts again. I never said ISIS IS okay. In fact 
I said they're evil. 

Evil is not the same as okay.

When you attribute such a statement to me you're being quite dishonest. I'll 
grant you that perhaps you were exaggerating to make a point, but that's really 
not okay.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 8:53:32 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
> I've read them. Just a notch below holocaust deniers. More
>rationalizing. ISIS is okay. We're okay, they're okay. Let's all hug.
>
>
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts
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>> 
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to
>rationalize Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
>> 
>> ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
>> Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
>> Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
>> considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
>> various books on the war may be better for a casual read – try The
>> "Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
>> historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.
>> 
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

:-)

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Re: PESO re-posted, in sympathy and solidarity

Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what a 
beautiful and moving image this is.

Cheers,

frank

On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904

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Re: PESO - Beauty and the Beast


Oh, god ain't it the truth...


On 11/15/2015 4:54 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

A view from the top floor of my hotel in Salt Lake City. The beauty, of course, 
is the surrounding mountains. The beast is the ugly, sprawling development.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18127931=lg

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait


That's a terrific commerical shot Bruce..
should be in VOgue or something

ann


On 11/15/2015 9:57 PM, knarf wrote:

I must admit, curiosity got the best of me and I Googled Molly and looked at 
images of her. The tattoos are progressing nicely. Her back is really filling 
in.

I'm not a huge tattoo fan - I don't have a problem with them but neither am I 
enamored with them. Hers are quite interesting though.

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 8:40:59 PM EST, Bruce Walker  
wrote:

Thanks, Rick.

Don't know about nana, but her mother's none too pleased, I hear. But
Molly has made it her goal to tattoo her entire body, so Mom is going
to have come to terms with that. :)


On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rick Womer 
wrote:

Excellent, Bruce!

I wonder what her grandmother thinks about her tattoo...

Rick

On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Molly Fassbender has a fascination with self-portraits, so I brought
my little collection of vintage cameras along to our shoot last
Thursday.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22923705145/lightbox/

645Z, DFA645 90mm f:2.8 Macro, f:11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO, handheld.

One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM boomed directly overhead.

Model: Molly Fassbender
Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich

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Re: PESO -- Caption Contest

2015-11-15 Thread David Mann

On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:06 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

> I went to a charitable event tonight, brought along the K-5II and a couple of 
> lenses.  Taken entirely out of context, I have no idea what caption should 
> be, but Santa seems to be having a bad day...
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20captioncontest1115.html

Kevin Bloody Wilson comes to mind :D

Cheers,
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Re: Anyone been to Denali ?


Darren,

I've been to Alaska numerous times, with most of my trips concentrating on 
being in Denali.
The best time IMO is late August/early September for the color and wildlife 
activity.


I usually fly to Fairbanks & take the Alaska Railroad to Denali - roughly a 
half day to the park station. I learned early on that to maximize your time 
in the park you either need to camp in the park (not at the entrance) or 
stay at one of the accommodations at the end of the 90 mile road in the 
park. If you don't stay in the park, you have to use their bus system to get 
into the park every day. The 90 mile road is the only road in the park & 
this is the way most people see the park. The trip to the end of the road 
(Wonder Lake) & back, on a park bus will take all day with many stops along 
the way.
Most of your photography will be from along the road, if you stay with the 
bus. You can wander the road on your own & pick up another bus as they come 
along.


At the end of the road, I highly recommend Camp Denali or The North Face 
Lodge. Camp Denali is all inclusive as far as food and board (in nicely 
rustic log cabins with marvelous food). They have numerous daily activities 
or you can  be on your own. They generally have special photography emphasis 
sessions late August with the benefit being you can be with a group of other 
photographers on one of the camps dedicated photo buses, with a pro 
photographer & can wander up & down the park road. The last several times in 
the park I've done their photographic emphasis sessions with Geo Lepp and 
have gotten the best animal shots I've ever taken there. Camp Denali is not 
cheap but I have found it is the best way to maximize my photographic stay 
in the park.


If you choose to camp, there are several established campgrounds along the 
road - you could gradually work your way deeper into the park via the bus 
system.


The train ride from Denali to Anchorage is around 6 hours IIRC.

Other than a limited lottery system, there is no other way to traverse the 
park in a motorized vehicle. I have run into several individuals that have 
bicycled the park. The lottery system is very limited in scope - I believe 
its for a weekend late in the season, and a limited number of individuals to 
traverse the park road in their own vehicles. Very limited permits are 
granted to pro photographers thru the season.


Anchorage & Fairbank were simply way points for me. I never spend much time 
in either.


If you have the time, car trips to Seward & Homer are a good way to get the 
flavor of the less rustic side of Alaska.


HTH

If you want to discuss this more at length - send me an off list email and 
we can arrange a phone conversation.


Alaska is my most favorite place in the world!



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- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Addy" 

Subject: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?



I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?


I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.


Most 'Golden hour photos' that I've seen from Denali were taken deep in the 
Park around the WOnder Lake area, although there are a few bodies of water 
along the road.


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From: "Darren Addy" 

Subject: Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?



I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:

Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can 
enjoy them again.


Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  
wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.



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Re: A weekend up North

On 15 Nov 2015, at 23:23, John  wrote:
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>> On 11/15/2015 5:28 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> By 'eck, it were grim.
>> 
>> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
>> 
>> B
> 
> The artillery sitting on the sidewalk is a curiosity.
> 

In fact it's the last of a convoy of three that were being driven through town. 
It is a bit incongruous.

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Re: PESO re-posted, in sympathy and solidarity

2015-11-15 Thread Jack Davis

Moving image.
I love it!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> What Frank said.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:05 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what 
>> a beautiful and moving image this is.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  
>>> wrote:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904
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Re: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread Alan C

Nice gallery, Bob. What a co-incidence. My daughter was over there last 
month staying with friends who live near Harrogate. They walked the dog in 
the forest at Druid's Temple. I had never heard of the place but I did some 
research after seeing her photos. I wonder how many people realise it is 
actually a folly?  One of her images:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22634932668/

Alan C


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By 'eck, it were grim.

http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

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Re: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread David Mann

I enjoyed that gallery.  The balloon photo really works for me but I have no 
idea why.  I also really like the last one.

The phallic fungus reminded me of the back cover of Tori Amos' album "Little 
Earthquakes".

Cheers,
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Re: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread Marco Alpert

Lovely gallery. The last one is my favorite as well.

- Marco

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> By 'eck, it were grim.
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> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Bill


On 11/15/2015 8:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Paul Stenquist wrote:


The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust 
denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that bad.


Sorry, I didn't detect any of that in Frank's post.




Mark and Frank. You are talking to Americans about a subject they mostly 
know about from history books written by Americans and for American 
consumption.

To be kind, their views are somewhat propagandized.



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The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a friendly 
political discussion, the discussion is over. >;-)


I wasn't keeping score - who won?

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: OT: SolidaritÃ©!



Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule.

*reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in 
a friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-)


thanks for playing,
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
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> Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule.
>
> *reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a 
> friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-)

I believe you are referring to Godwin's Law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?


I don't have many Denali images on line but there are a few here -

Some mammals -  http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1068252 only 4 of 
the last 5 were taken in Denali late August/early September.


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Subject: Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?



Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can 
enjoy them again.


Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  
wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.



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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?


You arent permitted to drive the whole park road unless you aregoing
to stay at that special lodge at the end of it


Camp Denali had a separate cabin, away from the rest that was available for 
rental - that is the only accomodation in the park that can be driven to by 
the renters - and then your vehicle was not authorized to travel up and down 
the park road except to get to/from the cabin - everyone else takes lodge 
busses into and out of the park.


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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?



Um, I did notice you didn't buy a calendar..:-)

Ken is another resource.
The Denali Highway isnt a highway mostly a gravel road... and it goes east 
to west

It may have more paving now- havent been there since 1992.  IN 1989
we did it at the time you are thinking of, and in 1987 Richard did it 
alone

We never saw the top of Denali.  In May of 1992 , it was "out" a lot.

You arent permitted to drive the whole park road unless you aregoing
to stay at that special lodge at the end of it... or camp there. You would
probably need reservationswell in advance.

If you are flying, instead of driving up, go into Anchorage... a much 
nicer
city... It isn't that far from Anchorage to the park - . I'd say skip 
Fairbanks altogether


Get "The MilePost"  - invaluable  to anyone on the road up there detailed 
, etc.


a start for your research anyway..

envious...

ann



On 11/15/2015 9:41 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.



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I realize you are being humorous, but seriously - you can use Face
Detection in Live View.

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> a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
> and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
> on a musicians microphone.
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Re: OT: Solidarité!




Let's all hug.


Can't we all just get along ?

Where's the sarcasm symbol?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: OT: Solidarité!


 I've read them. Just a notch below holocaust deniers. More 
rationalizing. ISIS is okay. We're okay, they're okay. Let's all hug.



On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts  
wrote:


Paul Stenquist wrote:

Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize 
Hitler's goals. That's laughable.


??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them.
Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of
Hitler. It's a big two volumes but well worth the effort. Generally
considered the best historical biography of Hitler. John Lukacs'
various books on the war may be better for a casual read – try The
"Lase European War" or "The Duel". Great stuff and they, like most
historians, agree with Kershaw on Hitler's goals.

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Re: K-3 and perfect focus

2015-11-15 Thread Bill


On 11/15/2015 5:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
on a musicians microphone.



You are lucky, my K5 couldn't focus on the broad side of a barn from the 
inside if it wasn't in daylight.


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Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Godwin's Law is what motivated The Hitler Rule. ;-)

G

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>  wrote:
>> Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule.
>> 
>> *reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a 
>> friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-)
> 
> I believe you are referring to Godwin's Law.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law


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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?

5. You could drive past the park, go on down to the coastal area and watch 
the bear/salmon interaction…


I've been to Katmai, but to catch the height of the action you need to time 
your trip with the peak of the salmon otherwise you'll just get pictures of 
the falls with maybe no salmo/bears.


If you're going to use a car to get around, a copy of the 'Milepost' is a 
great resource,


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- Original Message - 
From: "Stanley Halpin" 

Subject: Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?


We’ll be there next summer.  29 Aug - 2 Sept. If you search the archives 
from a few months ago you’ll see detailed responses I had from Ken and Dan 
when I asked a similar question.
Like you, I was disappointed that you can only nibble at the fringes of 
The Park. But from the research I’ve done, it seems that you do have 
options.


1. There is a lot to Alaska outside of the park. One itinerary I was 
looking at did a clockwise loop from Fairbanks down to the coast, by ferry 
over to Seward or Whittier, up to Anchorage, back to Fairbanks…
2. You can ride the shuttle buses into the Park, hike, camp, go back to 
the road, catch another shuttle, drop off again, hike camp etc.
3. You can stay at one of 5 (IIRC) different lodges/resorts that are at 
the end of the park road, 85± miles in. Megabucks, minimum stay of 3 or 4 
nights. But it is an option (the option I went with).
4. You can stay outside the park and take day trips in on the shuttles, 
getting off different places different days. Note that the hotels near the 
entrance are super expensive, the town a few miles north toward Fairbanks 
has more reasonable prices.
5. You could drive past the park, go on down to the coastal area and watch 
the bear/salmon interaction…
6. Note that you can easily find RV rentals and not have to worry so much 
about where to stay...


One resource I used which you might find useful is TravelAlaska.com  The 
outfits which advertise there (e.g., tour companies, RV Rentals, etc.) 
have suggested itineraries, lists of “what to do in x days” etc.


stan


On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:

Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can 
enjoy them again.


Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  
wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.



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Re: A weekend up North

On 16 Nov 2015, at 02:30, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob:  
> 
> The last frame is stunning!  Really quite excellent!

Thanks Christine, and thanks to everyone who looked. 

The shot was a fluke. I'd been walking in the same direction as the kids with 
the balloons trying to get them all in the frame. There's a blue bike on the 
wall behind them and in the gloom I thought the contrast of the red and blue 
would be good, but it was too dark to get anything. However when I saw the 
boy's face on this frame I thought I might have something, so I cropped it to 
put his face on the intersection of thirds, et voila!

> 
> Any sightings of The Great Wilsons?
> 

I wasn't far enough north for it to be that grim...

:0). <

> I see the Druid flora is all nicely erected—though looking quite pale!
> 

Summer's gone. The Latin name for that is Phallus impudicus. Impudicus means 
shameless.

> Hope all is well!
> 
> Cheers, Christine 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> By 'eck, it were grim.
>> 
>> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
>> 
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Re: K-3 and perfect focus




John wrote:

On 11/15/2015 6:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
on a musicians microphone.



I don't think that's a problem with your equipment.


A lot of it is learning how to use the the camera. Later in the evening 
I did get a lot of sharp photos of the musicians.  I need to do a better 
job of checking if the shot is in focus, learning to better use the 
focus selection points and so forth.  Glancing at the back screen, the 
shots looked good.  Lessons learned.






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Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread paul stenquist

Bill,

We’re not all provincial down here, believe it or not. I’ve read Bryant, 
Roberts and other British historians. My views are not a product of American 
jingoism, but neither are they apologist.

Paul
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 11/15/2015 8:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust 
>>> denial here, but Frank's post suggested that H wasn't really all that bad.
>> 
>> Sorry, I didn't detect any of that in Frank's post.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Mark and Frank. You are talking to Americans about a subject they mostly know 
> about from history books written by Americans and for American consumption.
> To be kind, their views are somewhat propagandized.
> 
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Re: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 15/11/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>By 'eck, it were grim.
>
>http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

Fab. How is it you always make a place look  'French' ??



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Re: A weekend up North

On 16 Nov 2015, at 04:18, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Nice gallery, Bob. What a co-incidence. My daughter was over there last month 
> staying with friends who live near Harrogate. They walked the dog in the 
> forest at Druid's Temple. I had never heard of the place but I did some 
> research after seeing her photos. I wonder how many people realise it is 
> actually a folly?  One of her images:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22634932668/

Thanks. It's a nice place, and you can hire yurts and log cabins to stay in. 
The friend I was visiting goes up there quite often, and thinks it's better 
than the real Stonehenge because at least you can get to the stones, and 
they're just as old as the Stonehenge ones.

B
> 
> Alan C
> 
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/
> 
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Re: K-3 and perfect focus




Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Repeat after me: "Manual focus solves these issues."
Unless you like nice sharp photos of microphones... :-)


You are certainly right, with manual focus, the microphone will most 
certainly not be in focus.





G


On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
on a musicians microphone.




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Darren Addy wrote:

I realize you are being humorous, but seriously - you can use Face
Detection in Live View.


All I'd need would be to know a second before I wanted to take the picture.



On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I took my gear out last night to practice with my K-3 photographing
a friend's band. I'm going through the pictures today
and see that it has not lost the K-5s ability to focus perfectly
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RE: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread Malcolm Smith

Bob W wrote:

> By 'eck, it were grim.
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/York2015/

I enjoyed looking at these. Not short of water up there!

Malcolm


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Re: A weekend up North

2015-11-15 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 15/11/15, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I see the Druid flora is all nicely erected--though looking quite pale!

It's on my bucket list.

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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?




On 11/15/2015 10:49 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

We’ll be there next summer.  29 Aug - 2 Sept. If you search the archives from a 
few months ago you’ll see detailed responses I had from Ken and Dan when I 
asked a similar question.
Like you, I was disappointed that you can only nibble at the fringes of The 
Park. But from the research I’ve done, it seems that you do have options.

1. There is a lot to Alaska outside of the park. One itinerary I was looking at 
did a clockwise loop from Fairbanks down to the coast, by ferry over to Seward 
or Whittier, up to Anchorage, back to Fairbanks…
2. You can ride the shuttle buses into the Park, hike, camp, go back to the 
road, catch another shuttle, drop off again, hike camp etc.
3. You can stay at one of 5 (IIRC) different lodges/resorts that are at the end 
of the park road, 85± miles in. Megabucks, minimum stay of 3 or 4 nights. But 
it is an option (the option I went with).
4. You can stay outside the park and take day trips in on the shuttles, getting 
off different places different days. Note that the hotels near the entrance are 
super expensive, the town a few miles north toward Fairbanks has more 
reasonable prices.
5. You could drive past the park, go on down to the coastal area and watch the 
bear/salmon interaction…
6. Note that you can easily find RV rentals and not have to worry so much about 
where to stay...

One resource I used which you might find useful is TravelAlaska.com  The 
outfits which advertise there (e.g., tour companies, RV Rentals, etc.) have 
suggested itineraries, lists of “what to do in x days” etc.

stan


On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm all ears. I'm more than a little disappointed to learn that you
can only drive 15 miles into the park and from there you must take
buses. I've seen info on day hiking, but that's pretty disappointing -
particularly if you are interested in dawn-golden hour images.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:10 AM, knarf  wrote:

Ken has taken spectacular photos there.

When you answer Darren please link to some of those photos, so we can enjoy 
them again.

Thanks!

Cheers,

frank

On November 15, 2015 9:41:28 AM EST, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm seriously considering a photo safari to Denali late next summer,
to hopefully catch the "autumn" colors there (and, if I'm lucky, some
Northern Lights from high latitudes). I'm wondering if any PDMLers
have made the trip and have any words of advice.

My thinking, if I can get away with returning a rental car to a
different city than I'm leaving from, is to fly into Fairbanks and
drive Denali from the north to the south over several days and then
leave from Anchorage.

I'm not sure of the length of the trip. Ideally, I'd like to leave the
Friday before Labor Day and come home the weekend after Labor Day. I'm
just beginning my research of how long it takes to drive, calculating
the cost ... hiking options, etc.

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Geso : Alaska shots (inclu Denali :-))

Don't know where Ken is... You'll have to settle for some of minefor the 
moment.


These are the photos in the  Up the Alcan calendar plusa few more...

https://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/Unfinishedalcan/n-2bspQh/

Darren - the area around THE mountain in the park is all tundra- scruffy 
low lying vegetation
and a lot of gravel and mud...  but along the georgepark between denali 
and Anchorage there

is pretty fall stuff - and south of Anchorage as well..

To Stan's excellent suggestions I will emphasize again purchasing The 
Milepostasap - it

is invaluableand better than most stuff on the web I think.

Thanks to everyone who bought the calendar, btw  - the order is in...

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Re: OT: Anyone been to Denali ?