date:20170124

I have to admit I pushed the unsharp mask on the color version pretty 
much to the limits before the image started to break apart.  It was such 
an off and on, mostly off, grey day that I actually wanted it to look 
brighter, but I thought the B was pretty subdued.


On 1/24/2017 11:32 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
I like the color version better... but both are a tad too contrasty 
for me.

ann

On 1/24/2017 11:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
It was a fairly grey day, and the image was two toned really, but 
here it is.


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream-c.html

On 1/24/2017 8:55 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I join the appreciative chorus. I'm curious about a color rendering,
though.

Rick


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 23:33 Alan C  wrote:

Nice composition PJ. It can't be too salty with that amount of 
grass. I

have

that lens - perhaps it needs an outing? I tend to use the HD 55-300 
90% of


the time.



Alan C



-Original Message-

From: P. J. Alling

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:31 PM

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Subject: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water.



Winter scene, brown grass, rocks, sand, a little snow, and very 
cold water.




https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream.html



Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6



As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.





--

PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

PDML@pdml.net

http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

follow the directions.





---

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

https://www.avast.com/antivirus





--

PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

PDML@pdml.net

http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.











--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water. Now in formerly Living Color.


I like the color version better... but both are a tad too contrasty for me.
ann

On 1/24/2017 11:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
It was a fairly grey day, and the image was two toned really, but here 
it is.


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream-c.html

On 1/24/2017 8:55 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I join the appreciative chorus. I'm curious about a color rendering,
though.

Rick


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 23:33 Alan C  wrote:


Nice composition PJ. It can't be too salty with that amount of grass. I
have

that lens - perhaps it needs an outing? I tend to use the HD 55-300 
90% of


the time.



Alan C



-Original Message-

From: P. J. Alling

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:31 PM

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Subject: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water.



Winter scene, brown grass, rocks, sand, a little snow, and very cold 
water.




https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream.html



Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6



As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.





--

PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

PDML@pdml.net

http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

follow the directions.





---

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

https://www.avast.com/antivirus





--

PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

PDML@pdml.net

http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.








--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water. Now in formerly Living Color.

It was a fairly grey day, and the image was two toned really, but here 
it is.


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream-c.html

On 1/24/2017 8:55 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I join the appreciative chorus. I'm curious about a color rendering,
though.

Rick


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 23:33 Alan C  wrote:


Nice composition PJ. It can't be too salty with that amount of grass. I
have

that lens - perhaps it needs an outing? I tend to use the HD 55-300 90% of

the time.



Alan C



-Original Message-

From: P. J. Alling

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:31 PM

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Subject: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water.



Winter scene, brown grass, rocks, sand, a little snow, and very cold water.



https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream.html



Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6



As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.





--

PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

PDML@pdml.net

http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

follow the directions.





---

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

https://www.avast.com/antivirus





--

PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

PDML@pdml.net

http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.





--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO: Carlton Beach

a nice postcard ... is it so deserted because you are having such extra 
hot weather?


ann

On 1/24/2017 10:31 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

Summer's day at Carlton Beach

https://flic.kr/p/RwW8Ca

Pentax K1  & Sigma 35mm f1.4mm art lens




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> So, cropping in post isn't good or bad, it's a tool.


EXACTLY!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

PESO: Carlton Beach

2017-01-24 Thread Philip Northeast


Summer's day at Carlton Beach

https://flic.kr/p/RwW8Ca

Pentax K1  & Sigma 35mm f1.4mm art lens

--
Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping




Bruce Walker wrote:

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

All this debate on the merits of cropping, you might as well debate using
zoom lenses rather than primes, DSLRs rather than 8x10 view cameras with
glass plates, or hiring models.


Hang on there, Larry: you've been here about as long as I have, haven't you?


If by here you mean PDML, I joined just too late to be in the first 
annual.  So that would be, what?, January 2009?






--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> All this debate on the merits of cropping, you might as well debate using
> zoom lenses rather than primes, DSLRs rather than 8x10 view cameras with
> glass plates, or hiring models.

Hang on there, Larry: you've been here about as long as I have, haven't you?

-- 
-bmw

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation




Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


Also, there are different exposure methodologies.  If you are shooting
to JPEG, then you want to expose for the final image, and if you lose
all detail in the highlights or the shadows, well there's only so much
you can fit into 8 bits.  If you're shooting raw, then you generally
want to "expose to the right", in order to preserve the highlights, and
then process for the final image in post processing.  This is
particularly true on ISO invariant cameras such as the K-1, K-3, K-5 ...


Of course! I only shoot jpeg so in a sense I'm starting from a
disadvantage - but actually it teaches me to be more specific with
exposure. That said, RAW would extricate my butt from a lagoon of
hazardous evil quite nicely


When I lost access to a darkroom and had to take my film to someone else 
to process, I stopped doing serious photography, I see no reason to 
trade the corner drugstore for a $10 computer chip and go back to those 
days.






--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 24/1/17, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Eric, everybody crops ...
>
> Bruce has been known to crop so heavily that he's even had complaints
> from the PPA (Pixel Peeper's Association). Apparently there was a
> serious lack of pixels in some of his images, such that members were
> left in a 'confused and annoyed state'. That and they had trouble
> zooming in on the nipples.

One time I was forced to crop so heavily that I was left with a mere
1x1 image. Imagine my annoyance when I pulled that up in Photoshop to
retouch it and found that that single pixel was blown out. Of all the
luck!

Fortunately I was able to rescue it with a serious application of
curves and cloning from another shot in the set.

-- 
-bmw

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

All this debate on the merits of cropping, you might as well debate 
using zoom lenses rather than primes, DSLRs rather than 8x10 view 
cameras with glass plates, or hiring models.
Choice of tools doesn't make someone a crappy photographer, only being 
able to make crappy photographs makes someone a crappy photographer.


--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water.

2017-01-24 Thread Rick Womer

I join the appreciative chorus. I'm curious about a color rendering,
though.

Rick


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 23:33 Alan C  wrote:

> Nice composition PJ. It can't be too salty with that amount of grass. I
> have
>
> that lens - perhaps it needs an outing? I tend to use the HD 55-300 90% of
>
> the time.
>
>
>
> Alan C
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: P. J. Alling
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:31 PM
>
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> Subject: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water.
>
>
>
> Winter scene, brown grass, rocks, sand, a little snow, and very cold water.
>
>
>
> https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream.html
>
>
>
> Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6
>
>
>
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> PDML@pdml.net
>
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
>
> follow the directions.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> PDML@pdml.net
>
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.
>
>
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

RE: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread John Coyle

Sometimes you find a secondary image within the one you took: this was the case 
with one of the
images in the gallery I put up of New York shots.  I didn't see the potential 
until after I'd left
the USA, so there was no chance of getting a new image of the subject.  
I have no problem with cropping, drastically or not, where extraneous elements 
that could not be
eliminated at the time are removed to get the image I was looking for, or where 
it was not possible
to frame the subject within the proportions of the viewfinder/sensor.

John in Brisbane

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2017 10:11 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Subject: Re: Cropping

Sent from my iPad
> Eric Weir wrote:
>> I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests 
>> me in the image. Am I
a terrible photographer?

Some wise voices have weighed in on this, I'll see if I can lower the tone 
somewhat.

If there is something that interests you in an image, why didn't you frame that 
element properly in
the beginning? Not intended as a criticism, but rather as a thought question. 
Ask yourself why you
didn't get it right to begin with. Too rushed? Careless? Wrong focal length?

I think cropping is a necessary evil. Sometimes you just can't get close 
enough, can't position
yourself to avoid the distracting foreground element, etc. But whenever I crop 
for composition (as
opposed to cropping to overcome the above mentioned problems) I consider it a 
minor, maybe even a
major failure on my part. Cropping for composition means I wasn't thinking 
clearly when I pushed the
shutter button. 

As it happens, I do crop often, I have many failures in that respect, in large 
part because I have
learned that it is easier to crop than to clone in a missing foot or elbow or 
other picture element
that I cut off by too tight a frame. I often travel to scenic places, often 
without tripod, and I
like to shoot handheld panos. Most often my failures result from too tight a 
framing in the first
place which doesn't allow enough margin to correct leveling issues when 
stitching. My goal is to
reduce the number of times I need to crop without increasing the number of 
amputated feet and to
increase my success rate with my pants.

stan

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

Cropping is a tweaking tool which
Is primarily used, by most, to improve
compositional balance.
I use it often.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 25 Jan 2017, at 00:20, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> On 24 Jan 2017, at 23:12, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I try not to crop very drastically
> 
> I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
> it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?
 
 Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture is more 
 drastic than straightening a horizon or making something fit what you 
 composed in the viewfinder.
 
> 
> Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)
 
 M. Jourdain: So, when I say "Nicole, bring me my slippers and give me my 
 nightcap", it's prose?
 
 Professor of philosophy: Yes, sir
 
 M. Jourdain: Faith! I've been speaking prose these forty years past, 
 without knowing anything about it!
 
 
 Acte / Scène : Le bourgeois gentilhomme, II, 6 (Molière, 1670)
>>> Rhetoric.
>> 
>> Quoting out of context. Read what I replied to.
> I can't tell who said what :-). In any case I regard the crop as an essential 
> tool and one of the brushes used in the art of photography. Others, of 
> course, differ.
>>> "Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture" vs. 
>>> judiciously working to perfect the photo in post. Adams is said to have 
>>> done his best work in the darkroom, whereas HCB turned over his film to 
>>> someone else. All strategies are valid if the results are pleasing.
>> 
>> -- 
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>> follow the directions.
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping



Paul via phone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 25 Jan 2017, at 00:20, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
 On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
 
 On 24 Jan 2017, at 23:12, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
 
 On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
> I try not to crop very drastically
 
 I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
 it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?
>>> 
>>> Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture is more 
>>> drastic than straightening a horizon or making something fit what you 
>>> composed in the viewfinder.
>>> 
 
 Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)
>>> 
>>> M. Jourdain: So, when I say "Nicole, bring me my slippers and give me my 
>>> nightcap", it's prose?
>>> 
>>> Professor of philosophy: Yes, sir
>>> 
>>> M. Jourdain: Faith! I've been speaking prose these forty years past, 
>>> without knowing anything about it!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Acte / Scène : Le bourgeois gentilhomme, II, 6 (Molière, 1670)
>>> 
>>> 
>> Rhetoric.
> 
> Quoting out of context. Read what I replied to.
> 
I can't tell who said what :-). In any case I regard the crop as an essential 
tool and one of the brushes used in the art of photography. Others, of course, 
differ.
>> "Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture" vs. 
>> judiciously working to perfect the photo in post. Adams is said to have done 
>> his best work in the darkroom, whereas HCB turned over his film to someone 
>> else. All strategies are valid if the results are pleasing.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 25 Jan 2017, at 00:20, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 24 Jan 2017, at 23:12, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
 I try not to crop very drastically
>>> 
>>> I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
>>> it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?
>> 
>> Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture is more 
>> drastic than straightening a horizon or making something fit what you 
>> composed in the viewfinder.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)
>> 
>> M. Jourdain: So, when I say "Nicole, bring me my slippers and give me my 
>> nightcap", it's prose?
>> 
>> Professor of philosophy: Yes, sir
>> 
>> M. Jourdain: Faith! I've been speaking prose these forty years past, without 
>> knowing anything about it!
>> 
>> 
>> Acte / Scène : Le bourgeois gentilhomme, II, 6 (Molière, 1670)
>> 
>> 
> Rhetoric.

Quoting out of context. Read what I replied to.

> "Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture" vs. 
> judiciously working to perfect the photo in post. Adams is said to have done 
> his best work in the darkroom, whereas HCB turned over his film to someone 
> else. All strategies are valid if the results are pleasing.
>> 
>> 

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping



Paul via phone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 24 Jan 2017, at 23:12, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> I try not to crop very drastically
>> 
>> I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
>> it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?
> 
> Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture is more 
> drastic than straightening a horizon or making something fit what you 
> composed in the viewfinder.
> 
>> 
>> Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)
> 
> M. Jourdain: So, when I say "Nicole, bring me my slippers and give me my 
> nightcap", it's prose?
> 
> Professor of philosophy: Yes, sir
> 
> M. Jourdain: Faith! I've been speaking prose these forty years past, without 
> knowing anything about it!
> 
> 
> Acte / Scène : Le bourgeois gentilhomme, II, 6 (Molière, 1670)
> 
> 
Rhetoric. "Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture" 
vs. judiciously working to perfect the photo in post. Adams is said to have 
done his best work in the darkroom, whereas HCB turned over his film to someone 
else. All strategies are valid if the results are pleasing.
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 24 Jan 2017, at 23:12, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I try not to crop very drastically
> 
> I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
> it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?

Hacking away at something in the hope of finding a decent picture is more 
drastic than straightening a horizon or making something fit what you composed 
in the viewfinder.

> 
> Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)

M. Jourdain: So, when I say "Nicole, bring me my slippers and give me my 
nightcap", it's prose?

Professor of philosophy: Yes, sir

M. Jourdain: Faith! I've been speaking prose these forty years past, without 
knowing anything about it!

Acte / Scène : Le bourgeois gentilhomme, II, 6 (Molière, 1670)

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

I see it as a habit from the days of 35mm film, which was really 
meaningful in digital before the explosion of megapixels.  35mm was a 
rather low fidelity imaging source.  If you wanted a reasonable sized 
print, with good detail, using a reasonably fast film, (varied with the 
era but in the age of Tri-X ASA 400), depending on subject matter you 
could get a decent 8x10 cropping at most 1/3-1/2 of the frame.  This was 
decent by the standards of the day, today it would be considered awful 
with lots of lost detail.  Today with a 16mp camera cropping away 2/3 of 
the frame, (and assuming reasonable technique and a decent lens), you've 
still got more data to play with than people had with early 2-4mp 
DSLRs.  If only processing for the web, crop away, I say.



On 1/24/2017 6:11 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


I try not to crop very drastically

I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?

Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

On 24/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Also, there are different exposure methodologies.  If you are shooting 
>to JPEG, then you want to expose for the final image, and if you lose 
>all detail in the highlights or the shadows, well there's only so much 
>you can fit into 8 bits.  If you're shooting raw, then you generally 
>want to "expose to the right", in order to preserve the highlights, and 
>then process for the final image in post processing.  This is 
>particularly true on ISO invariant cameras such as the K-1, K-3, K-5 ...

Of course! I only shoot jpeg so in a sense I'm starting from a
disadvantage - but actually it teaches me to be more specific with
exposure. That said, RAW would extricate my butt from a lagoon of
hazardous evil quite nicely

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

All of my small bird photos are heavy crops. They have to be. I don't have a 
1200 mm lens. But I crop almost every photo, including those I shoot for 
publications. Sometimes it's just a sliver; at other times it's 25% of more of 
the frame. Being able to re-evaluate the frame in post is an advantage and an 
aesthetic necessity. The K-1 helps in that I have more pixels to play with. Not 
cropping is an artistic failure, IMO.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Eric, everybody crops ...
> 
> Bruce has been known to crop so heavily that he's even had complaints
> from the PPA (Pixel Peeper's Association). Apparently there was a
> serious lack of pixels in some of his images, such that members were
> left in a 'confused and annoyed state'. That and they had trouble
> zooming in on the nipples.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 24/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>In theory, filling the frame with exactly what you need and not cropping 
>will give you the very best image possible.  However, with my K-1, even 
>if I throw away half the area of the image, I'm still left with an 18MP 
>APS sized chunk of sensor that I can take from any place in the image.
>
>If I am shooting a landscape, still life, or some other static image, 
>I'll do my best to frame things exactly.  However, if I'm shooting 
>dancing, martial arts or some other very dynamic scene, I will often 
>shoot loose and crop tight.  It is my experience that I lose far fewer 
>photos from a slight loss of resolution than I do because just as I 
>pressed the trigger someone stuck their hand, foot, or even their head 
>outside of the frame that I'm shooting.
>
>This may not be true for better photographers than I, but I have found 
>that very few of my photos cannot be made better by cropping.  There is 
>an initial tendency, to put as many good things as possible into the 
>picture, however I find that what works best is to take out as much as 
>possible that isn't great.
>
>Another advantage of cropping is that it gives you an opportunity to go 
>back, try different compositions, learn from what works, and in theory 
>get better at seeing that final composition before you take your next 
>set of photos.
>
>So, cropping in post isn't good or bad, it's a tool. Relying on cropping 
>may not always be the best tool when taking photos, but it may be the 
>tool you need to get a great photo out of a good exposure.

Really good insight there from Larry - excellent.


-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread Stan Halpin

Sent from my iPad
> Eric Weir wrote:
>> I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests 
>> me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?

Some wise voices have weighed in on this, I'll see if I can lower the tone 
somewhat.

If there is something that interests you in an image, why didn't you frame that 
element properly in the beginning? Not intended as a criticism, but rather as a 
thought question. Ask yourself why you didn't get it right to begin with. Too 
rushed? Careless? Wrong focal length?

I think cropping is a necessary evil. Sometimes you just can't get close 
enough, can't position yourself to avoid the distracting foreground element, 
etc. But whenever I crop for composition (as opposed to cropping to overcome 
the above mentioned problems) I consider it a minor, maybe even a major failure 
on my part. Cropping for composition means I wasn't thinking clearly when I 
pushed the shutter button. 

As it happens, I do crop often, I have many failures in that respect, in large 
part because I have learned that it is easier to crop than to clone in a 
missing foot or elbow or other picture element that I cut off by too tight a 
frame. I often travel to scenic places, often without tripod, and I like to 
shoot handheld panos. Most often my failures result from too tight a framing in 
the first place which doesn't allow enough margin to correct leveling issues 
when stitching. My goal is to reduce the number of times I need to crop without 
increasing the number of amputated feet and to increase my success rate with my 
pants.

stan

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I try not to crop very drastically

I simply don't understand this - either one crops or one doesn't. How is
it that more cropping (supposedly) equals being drastic?

Not being facetious, just fancy tempting some more prose out of you ;-)

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 24/1/17, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Eric, everybody crops ...

Bruce has been known to crop so heavily that he's even had complaints
from the PPA (Pixel Peeper's Association). Apparently there was a
serious lack of pixels in some of his images, such that members were
left in a 'confused and annoyed state'. That and they had trouble
zooming in on the nipples.

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO

2017-01-24 Thread William Robb

If nothing else, it shows that there are still some people in your country
that aren't totally fucked up stupid.


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 6:21 PM Eric Weir  wrote:

>
>
> > On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> >
>
> > No matter what side of the issue you are on, it was a very newsworthy
> event. You got some good photos, and a lot that could be better.
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who responded. I recognize that it’s a mixed bag, e.g., the
> obviously blurry images—I thought there were just a few, but perhaps there
> were more—and perhaps some images that are just not that interesting.
>
>
>
> Especially appreciate Cotty pointing out the images that worked for him
> and Bob for bringing the concept of a shooting plan and its components to
> my attention.  I often find myself wanting to “tell the story of a
> situation or an event and to include images that are not particularly good
> because the content strikes me as especially pertinent. As a writer I’ve
> learned that less really is more. Probably the story of this event would’ve
> been better communicated with a smaller, perhaps much smaller, set of
> images.
>
>
>
> Thanks again, sincerely,
>
>
> --
>
> Eric Weir
>
> Decatur, GA  USA
>
> eew...@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
> "What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful?"
>
>
>
> - Mary Oliver
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> PDML@pdml.net
>
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread William Robb

To do it, I meant. I hate little keyboards.


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:52 PM William Robb 
wrote:

> Oh yes. Cropping is very bad unless you are paying a middle aged lady it.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 7:38 AM Eric Weir  wrote:
>
>
>
> I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests
> me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Eric Weir
>
> Decatur, GA  USA
>
> eew...@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
> “Man has been a murderer forever.”
>
>
>
> - Peter Matthiessen.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> PDML@pdml.net
>
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.
>
>
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread William Robb

Oh yes. Cropping is very bad unless you are paying a middle aged lady it.


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 7:38 AM Eric Weir  wrote:

>
>
> I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests
> me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Eric Weir
>
> Decatur, GA  USA
>
> eew...@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
> “Man has been a murderer forever.”
>
>
>
> - Peter Matthiessen.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> PDML@pdml.net
>
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping




Eric Weir wrote:

I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests me 
in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


Probably, but not for that reason.  :-)

My thoughts on the matter, probably worth less than the paper they're 
printed on, this being email and all...


From 1973 through the mid nineties, I had a 58/1.4 and a 2x 
teleconverter.  My "zoom lens" was to raise the head of the enlarger. 
As such, I've never considered the initial exposure to be the final 
product, and for me, the final product is what matters, not how many 
shots I need to take, or what I have to do in post processing to get there.


In theory, filling the frame with exactly what you need and not cropping 
will give you the very best image possible.  However, with my K-1, even 
if I throw away half the area of the image, I'm still left with an 18MP 
APS sized chunk of sensor that I can take from any place in the image.


If I am shooting a landscape, still life, or some other static image, 
I'll do my best to frame things exactly.  However, if I'm shooting 
dancing, martial arts or some other very dynamic scene, I will often 
shoot loose and crop tight.  It is my experience that I lose far fewer 
photos from a slight loss of resolution than I do because just as I 
pressed the trigger someone stuck their hand, foot, or even their head 
outside of the frame that I'm shooting.


This may not be true for better photographers than I, but I have found 
that very few of my photos cannot be made better by cropping.  There is 
an initial tendency, to put as many good things as possible into the 
picture, however I find that what works best is to take out as much as 
possible that isn't great.


Another advantage of cropping is that it gives you an opportunity to go 
back, try different compositions, learn from what works, and in theory 
get better at seeing that final composition before you take your next 
set of photos.


So, cropping in post isn't good or bad, it's a tool. Relying on cropping 
may not always be the best tool when taking photos, but it may be the 
tool you need to get a great photo out of a good exposure.


The proof is in the prints, not the proofs.

--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping




John wrote:

Sometimes you have to peel away the outer layers from fruits &
vegetables to get to the edible parts. Photography is no different.

It's only when an image has no "juicy center" to focus on that it
becomes a problem.


That explains why my photos are all the pits.



On 1/24/2017 8:37 AM, Eric Weir wrote:


I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what
interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


Eric Weir
Decatur, GA USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.






--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

February PUG Countdown

2017-01-24 Thread Brian Walters

G'day, all

A bit of a slow start this month - one submission so far (two, if I
count mine - but I haven't selected it yet...)

Theme: This Sporting Life

Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

Nom. closing date 31 January.


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/



-- 
--

-- 
http://www.fastmail.com - Or how I learned to stop worrying and
  love email again


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

I think young Bozza is right here, echoing Capa - "if your pictures aren't good
enough, you aren't close enough".

It's you who decides whether or not your pictures are good enough, and your
question suggests that perhaps you do think that.

Cartier-Bresson was famous for (almost) never cropping, and the reason for this
was that he had a very highly developed eye for composition, and that he shot
that composition within the framelines of his camera, so any cropping would
ruin the composition.

This was a discipline he chose for himself, along with the less strict rules of
only shooting black & white, and only using a 50mm lens. By doing this he
consciously restricted the type of photographs he would take, and reduced the
variables, thus simplifying and maintaining control.

The result was a genius. This approach has been used numerous times in the past
in different arts. Consider for example the theatre of Corneille, which obeyed
the classical unities, was written in Alexandrine couplets, and dealt with
classical heroic themes. Less is more.

If you do feel that your pictures are not good enough, I would recommend
studying composition, doing exercises the way people do scales for the piano,
and reducing the number of variables you have to deal with, so that you can
really focus at the time of shooting on what interests you in the image, and
use the principles of composition within the frame to bring that to the fore.

The way learn composition is to learn about proportion and grids, and to learn
to recognise it when you see it, so you can photograph it. Then you won't need
to crop much.

Two Magnum photographers I really like, who shoot fantastically good, complex
compositions, are Harry Gruyaert and Alex Webb. There used to be a whole load
of stuff showing grids overlaid on their work, discussing the composition, but
it all seems to go to something called pinterest now, usual bullshit of closing
the web. But google their names with 'composition grid' and you might find
something helpful.

I try not to crop very drastically, mainly to straighten horizons or verticals
when I use the full frame, or to use either square or double-square (tatami
mat) when I see something that suits those formats. I used to shoot slides a
lot, and didn't have the luxury of cropping. Again, limiting the variables.

This guy has some interesting ideas on his blog:
http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2016/01/27/100-lessons-from-the-masters-of-street-photography/

On 24 Jan 2017, at 14:27, Boris Liberman
> wrote:

Absolutely terrible. Please kindly stand in the corner for 5 mins.

Seriously, maybe you can walk closer to your subjects should conditions
permit...

On 24 Jan 2017 15:37, "Eric Weir"
> wrote:

I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests
me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Man has been a murderer forever."

- Peter Matthiessen.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.
--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow
the directions.
--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Thanks, David!

J

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:48 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> excellent shot
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>> 
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>> follow the directions.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
> www.caughtinmotion.com
> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
> York Region, Ontario, Canada
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

2017-01-24 Thread David J Brooks

excellent shot

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
>
> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>
> C?
>
> J
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.



-- 
Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
www.caughtinmotion.com
http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
York Region, Ontario, Canada

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation




Bruce Walker wrote:

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

Also, there are different exposure methodologies.  [...]
If you're shooting raw, then you generally want to "expose
to the right", in order to preserve the highlights,


Come again? ETTR actually endangers highlights. It's the shadows that
ETTR is supposed to help with. I sometimes ETTL to avoid clipping
highlights and so preserve them--the exact opposite direction.


OK, I probably used the wrong term for looking at the histogram and 
making sure that the tail of it goes as far to the right as possible 
WITHOUT CLIPPING.  If making sure that the brightest highlights are just 
short of clipping is Expose to the left, then that is what I do.






... and then process for the
final image in post processing.  This is particularly true on ISO invariant
cameras such as the K-1, K-3, K-5 ...


Erm, this practice is much less useful now with low noise high ISO
cameras like the K-5, K-3 and K-1. Unless you are really pushing the
limits. I never bother thinking about ETTR at all, ever. I just adjust
the exposure in post if I see fit.


That works for you.  I think you might tend to shoot scenes with a bit 
less dynamic range and better light than I do. When I'm shooting in the 
studio and don't need to push past ISO 800, it's not generally such a 
problem as it is when I'm shooting at dances and such.






Unfortunately, Pentax refuses to believe that people actually use their
cameras as anything but large, expensive point and shoots, and don't give
you a choice for what style of metering you want to optimize for.


Really, Larry. Do any of Nikon, Canon, Sony et al do better in this
regard? How is it Pentax's fault?


I don't have enough time shooting with Canon, Sony, Nikon etc. to know 
how they do things. My little bit of experience with a Nikon D800 gave 
me the impression that it is much better at focusing, and while I didn't 
get much better final photos than with my K-3, it was a lot easier to 
get that quality out in post processing.  I haven't done a side by side 
with the Nikon and the K-1.


One thing that I really like about Leica is that they do their histogram 
off the raw data, not the jpeg.






--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.


A planar is sharp enough to create wood shavings...


On 1/24/2017 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 24 Jan 2017, at 10:34, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4 when I had the Contax
kit. I preferred the Zeiss,

What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?

No idear.



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Collin B

I like the principle of 3 alternative grips.
Why? Because feel & fit is how I've recommended cameras to many people. 
That is, hold it and see how it works in your hand.

I'm a little confused about the Fx1, Fx2, Fx3.
Or am I too out of touch with the new tech for those and the C1, C2, C3,
Ch/Cl
That delete button alternative function looks like a (video mode) crop,
panorama, or compress maybe?

It's definitely on the hobby/enthusiast side.
That would explain the simpler/lighter-duty screen articulation.

The front knob angle seems immaterial. Might be an individual preference
thing.
It does remind me of the Nikon Df.

But it seems to represent, as noted, a style uniformity move as it borrows
from the K1.
I'd anticipate seeing more of this in the next few models.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Yes, and they are intensely so!
J
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I like his alert expression
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>> 
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
>> follow the directions.
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil

Thanks Eric.

> On 24 Jan 2017, at 13:32, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/
> 
> Lovely collection, Bob—all of ‘em. But taking a cue from Cotty, these are my 
> favorites:
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000510_large.html
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000516_large.html
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000526_large.html
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000552_large.html
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000573_large.html
> 
> --
> Eric Weir
> Decatur, GA  USA
> eew...@bellsouth.net
> 
> "Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." 
> 
> - Amos Oz
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

On 24 Jan 2017, at 12:41, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>> 
>> http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html
> 
> That is one butt-ugly camera.
> 
> Why am I thinking Kenny's Peanuts?

I like it. Nice big knobs. Knobby Pentax.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

On 24 Jan 2017, at 10:34, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4 when I had the Contax
>> kit. I preferred the Zeiss,
> 
> What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?

No idear.



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I'm gonna give it another try. It'll be radical for me, thanks to you,
>> but probably not enough for you. 
> 
> Think like a newspaper photographer - tell the story in a single picture!

Eeew, you’re makin’ it too hard. Certainly something to aim for, though.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

2017-01-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

I like his alert expression

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>
> C?
>
> J
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.
>
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

interesting comparison someone sent me

2017-01-24 Thread Gonz

It surprises me that the Canon does not have an articulating screen.
Though it is a touch screen.

http://cameradecision.com/compare/Pentax-K-1-vs-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Thanks, Ken.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> Decent capture Jack. Nice pose.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Jack Davis 
>> Subject: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
> .
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Valued comments. Paul!
Thanks much.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Superb!
> Paul
>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 24/1/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>> 
>> Well done! beautiful bird
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Cotty
>> 
>> 
>> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
>> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
>> --
>> _
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>> follow the directions.
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Without digging into my Bird Book,
Red tail is self evident and they have
a dark beak along with a brownish collar and bib.
Red shoulder has more rust toned
markings around the head and extending down to cover the tops
of the shoulders.
If I later note any significant additional markings I'll so advise.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:31 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Nice!  YOu must ahve a good lens :-)
> 
> note to self -  I get so confused with Red shouldered vs red tails - should 
> look up the key things - or you can tell me< Jack)
> ann
> 
>> On 1/24/2017 10:00 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 24/1/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>> Well done! beautiful bird
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Zos Xavius

This is a nice looking midrange camera. It isn't the k-3 replacement.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> Certainly has enough, probably customizable dials.
>
> check, see the setting U1, u2 ...
>>
>>
>> I don't care that some people think the top LCD has outlived it's
>> usefulness, I use it all the time.
>
>
> Likewise, I hate using the back screen to check my settings.
>>
>>
>> I think the placement of the shutter button especially with the addition
>> of optional deep hand grip is a step backward, so is the optional deep
>> hand grip, which limits the battery capacity, the body is still thick
>> pushing the mirror box way out front, might as well have a comfortable
>> integrated grip for the larger battery capacity.
>>
>> I never noticed it at the time, probably because I was used to it, but
>> with the full grip hand grip the LX shutter button is awkward compared
>> to the placement of the shutter button on the K-5.
>>
>> The battery looks like the same battery used in the K-50 so a step back
>> in power, making the optional battery grip much less of an option.
>
>
> D-li 109, same as in a whole bunch of cameras, since IIRC the K-r.  At least
> they aren't coming up with a new battery standard.  This camera seems to be
> optimized for small size.
>>
>>
>> The front dial placement seems to be a awkward as well.
>
>
> I think so too, especially if you'll be switching back and forth.
>>
>>
>> I expect that it will have some fantastic specifications seriously
>> nobbled by the power requirements of a too small power cell.
>
>
> It just means that you'll only get a few hundred frames per charge.
>>
>>
>> I wonder if I can get a good deal on a used K-3, though it doesn't look
>> like it. K-3s seem to be cold dead hands cameras.
>
>
> I'm sure you can.  A lot of people with K-3s moved, or are moving to, K-1s.
>
> I wonder what the
>
>  v
> ---
>  ^
> button on the upper left is.
>
> It has no GPS and no wifi, but it does have a flash.
>
> The WR lens implies that it is weather sealed.
>
> It seems as if they are abandoning the high end APS market and are going for
> a really nice low end APS DSLR.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 1/24/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>>
>>> These seem realistic. Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>>>
>>> http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc
>
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread John

The articulated screen on the K-1 is better. That looks to be a step 
backward.


On 1/24/2017 7:25 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

For a DSLR I much prefer this kind of tiltable LCD than the K-70 'videocamera 
style' one.
Forget about selfies, though



El Martes 24 de enero de 2017 11:48, Brian Walters  
escribió:



These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/



--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread John


Sometimes you have to peel away the outer layers from fruits &
vegetables to get to the edible parts. Photography is no different.

It's only when an image has no "juicy center" to focus on that it
becomes a problem.

On 1/24/2017 8:37 AM, Eric Weir wrote:


I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what
interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Thanks, Alan!
I'm trying to recall the feeling of 
distance when I released the shutter.
Wish I'd checked at the time.
My best estimate, 50-60 ft.(?)

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Well done, Jack. Handsome bird. I'll keep that as a benchmark for my Sigma.
> 
> What was the range?
> 
> Alan
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk
> 
> 
> 
> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
> 
> C?
> 
> J
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions. 
> 
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Thank you Mr Brewer.

2017-01-24 Thread Doug Brewer


Glad to have you back, and hope your health issues are properly sorted.

On 1/23/17 7:06 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:

Many moons ago my internet provider's domain was briefly listed on a
dodgily curated South American blacklist, probably because a few of its
subscribers fell for a trojan and started relaying spam. Like 'that' never
happened to any other domains (cough, cough, AOL, Yahoo, et al.). As a
consequence my posts to PDML were bouncing, and I was too distracted at the
time, dealing with health issues, to pursue this little corner of my life.
So, I just kept reading but had to settle for being an enforced lurker. I
think it was good for my soul.
Occasionally I'd reply to something to see if it penetrated the filters.
And occasionally, if the
conversation amongst our Facebook brethren steered that way, I'd mention my
predicament. Doug did say to contact him and he'd fix the issue, but you
know how life is and how things get forgotten.
Anyway, the subject was mentioned again a few days ago, today I made an
exploratory reply on a thread, and hey presto! I'M BACK (and couldn't help
shouting it out).
Thanks Doug. I'll try not to be a pest.

regards, Anthony



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Also, there are different exposure methodologies.  [...]
> If you're shooting raw, then you generally want to "expose
> to the right", in order to preserve the highlights,

Come again? ETTR actually endangers highlights. It's the shadows that
ETTR is supposed to help with. I sometimes ETTL to avoid clipping
highlights and so preserve them--the exact opposite direction.

> ... and then process for the
> final image in post processing.  This is particularly true on ISO invariant
> cameras such as the K-1, K-3, K-5 ...

Erm, this practice is much less useful now with low noise high ISO
cameras like the K-5, K-3 and K-1. Unless you are really pushing the
limits. I never bother thinking about ETTR at all, ever. I just adjust
the exposure in post if I see fit.

> Unfortunately, Pentax refuses to believe that people actually use their
> cameras as anything but large, expensive point and shoots, and don't give
> you a choice for what style of metering you want to optimize for.

Really, Larry. Do any of Nikon, Canon, Sony et al do better in this
regard? How is it Pentax's fault?

-- 
-bmw

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

2017-01-24 Thread Alan C


Well done, Jack. Handsome bird. I'll keep that as a benchmark for my Sigma.

What was the range?

Alan

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:03 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk



Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
Shot yesterday with the 150-450.

C?

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
follow the directions. 



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures




P. J. Alling wrote:

Certainly has enough, probably customizable dials.

check, see the setting U1, u2 ...


I don't care that some people think the top LCD has outlived it's
usefulness, I use it all the time.


Likewise, I hate using the back screen to check my settings.


I think the placement of the shutter button especially with the addition
of optional deep hand grip is a step backward, so is the optional deep
hand grip, which limits the battery capacity, the body is still thick
pushing the mirror box way out front, might as well have a comfortable
integrated grip for the larger battery capacity.

I never noticed it at the time, probably because I was used to it, but
with the full grip hand grip the LX shutter button is awkward compared
to the placement of the shutter button on the K-5.

The battery looks like the same battery used in the K-50 so a step back
in power, making the optional battery grip much less of an option.


D-li 109, same as in a whole bunch of cameras, since IIRC the K-r.  At 
least they aren't coming up with a new battery standard.  This camera 
seems to be optimized for small size.


The front dial placement seems to be a awkward as well.


I think so too, especially if you'll be switching back and forth.


I expect that it will have some fantastic specifications seriously
nobbled by the power requirements of a too small power cell.


It just means that you'll only get a few hundred frames per charge.


I wonder if I can get a good deal on a used K-3, though it doesn't look
like it. K-3s seem to be cold dead hands cameras.


I'm sure you can.  A lot of people with K-3s moved, or are moving to, K-1s.

I wonder what the

 v
---
 ^
button on the upper left is.

It has no GPS and no wifi, but it does have a flash.

The WR lens implies that it is weather sealed.

It seems as if they are abandoning the high end APS market and are going 
for a really nice low end APS DSLR.






On 1/24/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

These seem realistic. Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers
Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/






--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation




Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:


I've been puzzled by this. How does it work? There are only three
variables--sensitivity, aperture, shutter speed. Doesn't it have to
adjust one of those? Then what's with a separate function?


If you use your camera on fully manual settings (ISO, iris, shutter
speed) then exposure compensation is not relevant.

If you are using an automatic setting (eg program, aperture value,
shutter value) then the suggested exposure by the camera may not appeal
to you. Hence you can adjust the camera's 'thought' on what it thinks is
the right exposure for your scene.

Think of sitting on a bus. You paid your ticket and chose your seat,
you've paid for your bag and all is good. It should be a perfect trip.
But you decide that the driver is going too fast for your liking - he
has a dial on his back that you can turn either way to make him slow
down - or go faster!

Of course, there may be any number of reasons why the camera's own
thoughts on the exposure in hand isn't right. With me, it's usually
because a scene is backlit and the subject is too dark. Turning the dial
in the '+' direction overexposes what the camera thinks is right,
allowing more light in, but in doing so my subject becomes better exposed.

Hope this helps :-)


Also, there are different exposure methodologies.  If you are shooting 
to JPEG, then you want to expose for the final image, and if you lose 
all detail in the highlights or the shadows, well there's only so much 
you can fit into 8 bits.  If you're shooting raw, then you generally 
want to "expose to the right", in order to preserve the highlights, and 
then process for the final image in post processing.  This is 
particularly true on ISO invariant cameras such as the K-1, K-3, K-5 ...


Unfortunately, Pentax refuses to believe that people actually use their 
cameras as anything but large, expensive point and shoots, and don't 
give you a choice for what style of metering you want to optimize for. 
There is also the point that the camera is stupid, it doesn't see the 
whole scene, or know what is important in that scene.


But in answer to your question, in each metering mode, the camera will 
adjust on of the three values, and exposure compensation will affect how 
it sets that value.  In Av, it is shutter speed, and if you dial in ev 
of -1  then rather than setting your shutter speed to 1/100 it would set 
it to 1/200. In Tv it's aperture, and Tav it is ISO.






--
Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Thanks much, Gonz!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Nice capture.  Now I have lens envy
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Decent capture Jack. Nice pose.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jack Davis 
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
>> .
>> 
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>> follow the directions.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- Reduce your Government Footprint
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Much appreciated, Cotty!
Thanks!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:00 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
> 
> Well done! beautiful bird
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PSEO - because I haven't done one in a while

2017-01-24 Thread Gonz

Oooh dreamy


On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Opening that pic was an oooh, a moment. Excellent!
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Chris Mitchell  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Superb. I love the layers.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>> On 21 January 2017 at 01:25, Mark Roberts  
>>> wrote:
>>> From a few years back when we went on a walk with Cotty near Oxford.
>>>
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
>>> www.robertstech.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML@pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>>> follow the directions.
>>
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>> follow the directions.
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.



-- 
-- Reduce your Government Footprint

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO

2017-01-24 Thread Ken Waller

Eric, I've been known to say that editing is the easiest way to improve your 
photography...


-Original Message-
>From: ann sanfedele 
>Subject: Re: Disgustingly large GESO
>
>Eric - I may or may not chose the same few photos that Cotty did , but 
>the less is more rule is important... something I manage to accomplish 
>with photos but have difficulty in doing the same with writing :-)
>
>Always fine to crop for the reasons others have pointed out, in my book 
>- if for no other reason than one simply cannot always get into a 
>position where
>what one has in one's mind as a composition isn't possible and one 
>doesnt' always have the luxury of time to think about best framing - 
>better grab the
>scene and perfect it later..
>
>Awfully glad to see you did the march - many of my friends did here -  
>and thrity years ago I would have gone, but at 80 just being in that 
>crowd the posibilities for bodily harm and the scarcity of bathroom 
>facilites or catching someones cold - not to mention the noise - just 
>can't do that anymore.
>
>I like this one best I think
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/31626494234/in/album-72157679473953255/lightbox/
>
>ann
>
>
>On 1/24/2017 8:19 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 23/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 As a writer I've learned that less really is more. Probably the story of
 this event would've been better communicated with a smaller, perhaps
 much smaller, set of images.
>>> Like the ones I chose - I'll be your picture editor any time you like ;-)
>> I’m gonna give it another try. It’ll be radical for me, thanks to you, but 
>> probably not enough for you.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA  USA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>
>> "Our world is a human world."
>>
>> - Hilary Putnam

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

2017-01-24 Thread Gonz

Nice capture.  Now I have lens envy


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Decent capture Jack. Nice pose.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Jack Davis 
>>Subject: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk
>>
>>
>>
>>Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>>This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>>Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>>
>>C?
>>
>>J
>>
>>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
> .
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.



-- 
-- Reduce your Government Footprint

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread Ken Waller

If you don't have the 'right' lens at the moments - no.
Isolate, simplify and define works for me.

If you were a pro you'd quickly make sure you had the 'right' lens to prevent 
the need to crop.

-Original Message-
>From: Eric Weir 
>Subject: Cropping
>
>
>I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests me 
>in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?
>
>--
>Eric Weir
>Decatur, GA  USA
>eew...@bellsouth.net
>
>“Man has been a murderer forever.”
>
>- Peter Matthiessen.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

2017-01-24 Thread Ken Waller

Decent capture Jack. Nice pose.


-Original Message-
>From: Jack Davis 
>Subject: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk
>
>
>
>Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>
>C?
>
>J
>
>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

It follows the K-3 system, where the focus modes are set by pressing the 
button above the AF/MF Switch.  Whether the mode is changed by pressing 
the button and twiddling a dial or just repeated pressing I don't know, 
I shot a K-5II and, (ever more), occasionally a K20D.



On 1/24/2017 10:18 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


What's interesting and a bit strange is the loss of AF-C mode, - at 
least from the focus mode switch. (It might be hidden in the menues, - 
but based on the shift toward "analog" controls, it is less likely; 
maybe it is again just in one of the modes, as it was in the "sports" 
mode in one of the earlier Pentax DSLRs, IIRC.


Igor



Brian Walters Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:49:03 -0800 wrote:

These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html



Cheers

Brian





--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk


Nice!  YOu must ahve a good lens :-)

note to self -  I get so confused with Red shouldered vs red tails - 
should look up the key things - or you can tell me< Jack)

ann

On 1/24/2017 10:00 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/1/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:



Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
Shot yesterday with the 150-450.

C?

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151

Well done! beautiful bird




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

Eric, everybody crops ...

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/06/06/the-extraordinary-story-behind-the-iconic-image-of-che-guevara

Crop 'till you drop.


On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>
> I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests me 
> in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?
>
> --
> Eric Weir
> Decatur, GA  USA
> eew...@bellsouth.net
>
> “Man has been a murderer forever.”
>
> - Peter Matthiessen.
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.



-- 
-bmw

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO: By the light of the slivery moon

Lovely!
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> K-1 @ ISO 6400; Sigma 300 f/2.8 @ f/4; 0.4 sec exposure ... and some fun
>> with NIK filters.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/32372876231/lightbox/
> 
> Wow John that's a beautiful image
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO: By the light of the slivery moon

Lovely!
Paul
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> K-1 @ ISO 6400; Sigma 300 f/2.8 @ f/4; 0.4 sec exposure ... and some fun
>> with NIK filters.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/32372876231/lightbox/
> 
> Wow John that's a beautiful image
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

Superb!
Paul
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>> This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>> Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151
> 
> Well done! beautiful bird
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO

Eric - I may or may not chose the same few photos that Cotty did , but 
the less is more rule is important... something I manage to accomplish 
with photos but have difficulty in doing the same with writing :-)


Always fine to crop for the reasons others have pointed out, in my book 
- if for no other reason than one simply cannot always get into a 
position where
what one has in one's mind as a composition isn't possible and one 
doesnt' always have the luxury of time to think about best framing - 
better grab the

scene and perfect it later..

Awfully glad to see you did the march - many of my friends did here -  
and thrity years ago I would have gone, but at 80 just being in that 
crowd the posibilities for bodily harm and the scarcity of bathroom 
facilites or catching someones cold - not to mention the noise - just 
can't do that anymore.


I like this one best I think
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/31626494234/in/album-72157679473953255/lightbox/

ann


On 1/24/2017 8:19 AM, Eric Weir wrote:

On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 23/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:


As a writer I've learned that less really is more. Probably the story of
this event would've been better communicated with a smaller, perhaps
much smaller, set of images.

Like the ones I chose - I'll be your picture editor any time you like ;-)

I’m gonna give it another try. It’ll be radical for me, thanks to you, but 
probably not enough for you.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Our world is a human world."

- Hilary Putnam









--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread Boris Liberman

I presume the correct term is missus...

On 24 Jan 2017 17:16, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:

> On 24/1/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I am impressed with Cotty's epistolary talent.
>
> For God's sake don't tell the wife!!
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
> ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
> ||  (O)  |Web Video Production
> --
> _
>
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.
>
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Igor PDML-StR



What's interesting and a bit strange is the loss of AF-C mode, - at least 
from the focus mode switch. (It might be hidden in the menues, - but based 
on the shift toward "analog" controls, it is less likely; maybe it is 
again just in one of the modes, as it was in the "sports" mode in one of 
the earlier Pentax DSLRs, IIRC.


Igor



Brian Walters Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:49:03 -0800 wrote:

These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html



Cheers

Brian


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 24/1/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am impressed with Cotty's epistolary talent.

For God's sake don't tell the wife!!



-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread Igor PDML-StR




This is the best response to Eri'c question I could imagine.
I am impressed with Cotty's epistolary talent.
And I am happy to undersign the last statement.



When I was giving workshops "Photography and Dancers", one of the aspects 
discussed was how some photos could be improved by cropping (and framing 
in general - while shooting and in post).


Igor


Steve Cottrell Tue, 24 Jan 2017 06:20:08 -0800 wrote:

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:


I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what
interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?



Haha.

I think that the image that is presented for the viewer is the final
'edit'. By this I mean that when the picture was taken, the photographer
decided (edited) the composition, the placement from the subject, the
angles, light, all the variables that go to make up the actual taking
(pressing the shutter release) for the photograph.

This step (can be) repeated many times for the same or different images
of course.

Then the next edit is selecting the images that appeal, sorting the
wheat from the chaff, the brilliant from the good.

Then, looking at an actual image, deciding on the output - web or print
- the framing, cropping, adjustment to all the parameters available in
the darkroom or on the desktop - until the final picture emerges - the
final edit. The one you are happy with. This, then, is presented for the
viewer to see (and of course appreciate or destroy!)


From a viewer's perspective, I look at the presented image on its merits
at the time. What happened from conception to this stage is nobody's 
business!



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Some things I like: analog controls, tilting lcd screen. But I agree.
>Gimme Fuji.

Haha but we're not supposed to actually consider these ahem photographic
tools as objet d'art now are we!! Unless of course it's a Leica ;-)

(Or an Oly Pen F ;-

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO: By the light of the slivery moon

On 24/1/17, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>K-1 @ ISO 6400; Sigma 300 f/2.8 @ f/4; 0.4 sec exposure ... and some fun
>with NIK filters.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/32372876231/lightbox/

Wow John that's a beautiful image

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk

On 24/1/17, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>
>Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
>This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
>Shot yesterday with the 150-450.
>
>C?
>
>J
>
>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151

Well done! beautiful bird

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm gonna give it another try. It'll be radical for me, thanks to you,
>but probably not enough for you. 

Think like a newspaper photographer - tell the story in a single picture!

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO

On 24/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Then watch your editor butcher that picture to tell his story...

haha too true!

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've been puzzled by this. How does it work? There are only three
>variables--sensitivity, aperture, shutter speed. Doesn't it have to
>adjust one of those? Then what's with a separate function?

If you use your camera on fully manual settings (ISO, iris, shutter
speed) then exposure compensation is not relevant.

If you are using an automatic setting (eg program, aperture value,
shutter value) then the suggested exposure by the camera may not appeal
to you. Hence you can adjust the camera's 'thought' on what it thinks is
the right exposure for your scene.

Think of sitting on a bus. You paid your ticket and chose your seat,
you've paid for your bag and all is good. It should be a perfect trip.
But you decide that the driver is going too fast for your liking - he
has a dial on his back that you can turn either way to make him slow
down - or go faster!

Of course, there may be any number of reasons why the camera's own
thoughts on the exposure in hand isn't right. With me, it's usually
because a scene is backlit and the subject is too dark. Turning the dial
in the '+' direction overexposes what the camera thinks is right,
allowing more light in, but in doing so my subject becomes better exposed.

Hope this helps :-)

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO


Then watch your editor butcher that picture to tell his story...


On 1/24/2017 9:44 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'm gonna give it another try. It'll be radical for me, thanks to you,
but probably not enough for you.

Think like a newspaper photographer - tell the story in a single picture!




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO: By the light of the slivery moon


That's just lovely.


On 1/24/2017 12:33 AM, John wrote:

Comet 45P was supposed to be "visible" next to the new moon on New Years
Eve. Our forecast called for rain, but it was clear on the 30th, so I
headed out to see if I could find it a day early. No luck, but I got
images of the almost new moon when it was just a sliver.

K-1 @ ISO 6400; Sigma 300 f/2.8 @ f/4; 0.4 sec exposure ... and some fun
with NIK filters.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/32372876231/lightbox/

This image rated #4 in consideration for the PDML Annual. Numbers 1, 2 &
3 have been uploaded.

Comet 45P is due back in February, so I may capture it yet.




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Exposure compensation

Exposure compensation effects everything while it's on.  So if you're 
getting consistently over or under exposed shots using the cameras 
suggested settings or if you're in one of the automatic modes, you can 
dial in the compensation.  I've noticed that the K-5II and K20D 
consistently under expose when I'm using a K mount lens and the green 
button kluge, so I usually dial in an extra stop or two of exposure.



On 1/24/2017 8:22 AM, Eric Weir wrote:

I’ve been puzzled by this. How does it work? There are only three 
variables—sensitivity, aperture, shutter speed. Doesn’t it have to adjust one 
of those? Then what’s with a separate function?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

'The universe is shot through in all parts by a single sort of love"

- Kabir









--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures


Certainly has enough, probably customizable dials.

I don't care that some people think the top LCD has outlived it's 
usefulness, I use it all the time.


I think the placement of the shutter button especially with the addition 
of optional deep hand grip is a step backward, so is the optional deep 
hand grip, which limits the battery capacity, the body is still thick 
pushing the mirror box way out front, might as well have a comfortable 
integrated grip for the larger battery capacity.


I never noticed it at the time, probably because I was used to it, but 
with the full grip hand grip the LX shutter button is awkward compared 
to the placement of the shutter button on the K-5.


The battery looks like the same battery used in the K-50 so a step back 
in power, making the optional battery grip much less of an option.


The front dial placement seems to be a awkward as well.

I expect that it will have some fantastic specifications seriously 
nobbled by the power requirements of a too small power cell.


I wonder if I can get a good deal on a used K-3, though it doesn't look 
like it.  K-3s seem to be cold dead hands cameras.



On 1/24/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers
  
Brian


++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

2017-01-24 Thread Boris Liberman

Absolutely terrible. Please kindly stand in the corner for 5 mins.

Seriously, maybe you can walk closer to your subjects should conditions
permit...

On 24 Jan 2017 15:37, "Eric Weir"  wrote:


I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests
me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.
-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Cropping

On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what
>interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?

Haha.

I think that the image that is presented for the viewer is the final
'edit'. By this I mean that when the picture was taken, the photographer
decided (edited) the composition, the placement from the subject, the
angles, light, all the variables that go to make up the actual taking
(pressing the shutter release) for the photograph.

This step (can be) repeated many times for the same or different images
of course.

Then the next edit is selecting the images that appeal, sorting the
wheat from the chaff, the brilliant from the good.

Then, looking at an actual image, deciding on the output - web or print
- the framing, cropping, adjustment to all the parameters available in
the darkroom or on the desktop - until the final picture emerges - the
final edit. The one you are happy with. This, then, is presented for the
viewer to see (and of course appreciate or destroy!)

>From a viewer's perspective, I look at the presented image on its merits
at the time. What happened from conception to this stage is nobody's business!



-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Cropping


I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests me 
in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

“Man has been a murderer forever.”

- Peter Matthiessen.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil


> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/

Lovely collection, Bob—all of ‘em. But taking a cue from Cotty, these are my 
favorites:

http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000510_large.html

http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000516_large.html

http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000526_large.html

http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000552_large.html

http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000573_large.html

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." 

- Amos Oz


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Exposure compensation


I’ve been puzzled by this. How does it work? There are only three 
variables—sensitivity, aperture, shutter speed. Doesn’t it have to adjust one 
of those? Then what’s with a separate function?

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

'The universe is shot through in all parts by a single sort of love"

- Kabir






-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 23/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> As a writer I've learned that less really is more. Probably the story of
>> this event would've been better communicated with a smaller, perhaps
>> much smaller, set of images.
> 
> Like the ones I chose - I'll be your picture editor any time you like ;-)

I’m gonna give it another try. It’ll be radical for me, thanks to you, but 
probably not enough for you. 

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

"Our world is a human world." 

- Hilary Putnam






-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures


> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>> 
>> http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html
> 
> That is one butt-ugly camera.

Some things I like: analog controls, tilting lcd screen. But I agree. Gimme 
Fuji.

--
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net 

(I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep.

- William Stafford


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Mark Roberts

Brian Walters wrote:

>These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>
>http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html

So it's an APS-C camera with a K-1 control layout. Good idea. 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com





-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Peso-Red Shouldered Hawk



Last hawk shot for the foreseeable future.
This, a mature Red-shouldered Hawk.
Shot yesterday with the 150-450.

C?

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1151

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

On 24/1/17, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:

>These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>
>http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html

That is one butt-ugly camera.

Why am I thinking Kenny's Peanuts?

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Jaume Lahuerta

For a DSLR I much prefer this kind of tiltable LCD than the K-70 'videocamera 
style' one.
Forget about selfies, though



El Martes 24 de enero de 2017 11:48, Brian Walters  
escribió:



These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/

-- 
--

-- 
http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Thank you Mr Brewer.

On 24/1/17, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'M BACK (and couldn't help
>shouting it out).

There goes the neighbourhood ;-)

Hi Anthony

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Disgustingly large GESO

On 23/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>As a writer I've learned that less really is more. Probably the story of
>this event would've been better communicated with a smaller, perhaps
>much smaller, set of images.

Like the ones I chose - I'll be your picture editor any time you like ;-)

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__Broadcast, Corporate,
||  (O)  |Web Video Production
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.