Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
The specification for the finder kind of looks to me like a K-3 finder with a built in O-ME53. I expect it will actually be a bit better than that, but the O-ME53 does make quite a difference when manually focusing. On 4/3/2021 11:36 AM, Toine wrote: I mentioned the missing charger. :) All prereviews rave about the viewfinder. The specs say 1.05x vs 0.95x for current models. I dont see how that would be a major improvement. If the viewfinder would be just like the MX it would make it a dream for tele. I dont see much in the current 0.95x viewfinders and my optomotrist claims i have 120% vision On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 17:27 Ralf R Radermacher, wrote: Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C: Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something (i.e. you and me) to get all worked up about. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
Too much money for me. Being an slr, its still going to have difficulty getting as good of focus as mirrorless, though I'm not ready to jump there yet. I can still focus using the live view magnified for landscapes or portraits, but it sure would be nice to be able to get a really accurate focus for more dynamic situations, my eyesight being what it is. I'll stick to my K1 and the APC pentaxes I have already. Anybody tested the new 77? --R On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 2:33 AM Henk Terhell wrote: > > https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review > Recommended price is $ 2000. > > Henk > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- "I think my ex-wife has weekly lessions with the Devil on how to be more evil. I don't know how much she charges him." - Emo Philips -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
It seems that the flagship has lost her GPS and AstroTrack. I'll be sticking with my K-3 ii for those features alone. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:26 PM wrote: > You and me both Ralf! Just working through selling or giving away the > last of my mother's stuff, much of which is fetching zilch or a tenth of > what my parents paid for it. Also just sold all my D kit, enough, as the > buyer said, to set up a complete darkroom at his school for the kids, so I > was happy enough with that. Included two enlargers and three enlarging > lenses, which together cost more than I got for the lot. Selling has not > been helped by COVID restrictions, that's for sure. > > > John in Brisbane > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ralf R Radermacher > Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:03 AM > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: Re: DP initial review of K-3 III > > Am 05.04.21 um 14:35 schrieb John: > > > I have the LX & K1000 out & I need to use them to clear all of the film > > out of my refrigerator, but I don't currently have a local lab to > > process the film & I have yet to establish a relationship with an > > on-line lab. > > Just posted a photo of my lab in 2001. That was before I got the Jobo > ATL2+ automatic film processor. Last film developed in 2009. Everything > with the exception of that processor is still there. > > Plus, the room is now chock full with the belongings of my mother from > when we cleared out her flat after she moved into an old peoples' home. > Cutlery, china, all sorts of decorations. Too good to throw away, not > worth enough to be sold. :-/ > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DP initial review of K-3 III
You and me both Ralf! Just working through selling or giving away the last of my mother's stuff, much of which is fetching zilch or a tenth of what my parents paid for it. Also just sold all my D kit, enough, as the buyer said, to set up a complete darkroom at his school for the kids, so I was happy enough with that. Included two enlargers and three enlarging lenses, which together cost more than I got for the lot. Selling has not been helped by COVID restrictions, that's for sure. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: Ralf R Radermacher Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:03 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: DP initial review of K-3 III Am 05.04.21 um 14:35 schrieb John: > I have the LX & K1000 out & I need to use them to clear all of the film > out of my refrigerator, but I don't currently have a local lab to > process the film & I have yet to establish a relationship with an > on-line lab. Just posted a photo of my lab in 2001. That was before I got the Jobo ATL2+ automatic film processor. Last film developed in 2009. Everything with the exception of that processor is still there. Plus, the room is now chock full with the belongings of my mother from when we cleared out her flat after she moved into an old peoples' home. Cutlery, china, all sorts of decorations. Too good to throw away, not worth enough to be sold. :-/ Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
Stupid old me wrote: Just posted a photo of my lab in 2001. Should have incuded the link... https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/das-labor-2001-fotoralfbe/45049685 Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.04.21 um 14:35 schrieb John: I have the LX & K1000 out & I need to use them to clear all of the film out of my refrigerator, but I don't currently have a local lab to process the film & I have yet to establish a relationship with an on-line lab. Just posted a photo of my lab in 2001. That was before I got the Jobo ATL2+ automatic film processor. Last film developed in 2009. Everything with the exception of that processor is still there. Plus, the room is now chock full with the belongings of my mother from when we cleared out her flat after she moved into an old peoples' home. Cutlery, china, all sorts of decorations. Too good to throw away, not worth enough to be sold. :-/ Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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K-1 & K-3; occasionally the K10D & K20D. I have the LX & K1000 out & I need to use them to clear all of the film out of my refrigerator, but I don't currently have a local lab to process the film & I have yet to establish a relationship with an on-line lab. And then of course there was the little problem with using any of them in 2020 and 2021 is not off to a great start. Plus other shit gets in the way. Regarding the K-3 III, I've been giving it some thought, and I was really spoiled by the articulating screen on the back of the K-1 and I don't understand why Ricoh didn't add it to the K-3 III. On 4/3/2021 18:31:00, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.04.21 um 22:20 schrieb John: I still have my K1000, LX, SuperProgram, PZ-1p (x2), *ist-D, K10D, K20D Do you still use any of them? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 03.04.21 um 22:20 schrieb John: I still have my K1000, LX, SuperProgram, PZ-1p (x2), *ist-D, K10D, K20D Do you still use any of them? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat., Apr. 3, 2021, 2:40 p.m. John, wrote: > FWIW, I don't think the hot-shoe cover design has changed since the PZ-1p. > I > probably have more of them than I have hot-shoes to cover. > > I found several rummaging around in miscellaneous Pentax stuff at camera > stores > when I was looking for the style of real lens caps I prefer. > > > https://www.nordic-digital.com/en/lens-accessories/7623-pentax-rear-lens-cap-k-31006 > > ... shaped like a little top hat with a wide flange where it fits on to > the bayonet. > > I still don't understand why someone would pay $50 for a replacement > hot-shoe > cover. If you lost the one that came with the camera, aren't you just as > likely > to lose the replacement one too? > I'm pretty sure the camera comes with the typical hot shoe cover. The 50 dollar one is some sort of collectors item. I don't get it, but apparently the home market is big on this stuff. > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat., Apr. 3, 2021, 1:29 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, wrote: > Am 31.03.21 um 09:33 schrieb Henk Terhell: > > https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review > > Recommended price is $ 2000. > > What am I to make of this: > > "The PENTAX K-3 Mark III allows AE photography at the closed-down > aperture for M-series lenses and lenses that previously could be used > only in open-aperture shooting." > > Any difference to the behaviour of former Pentax DSLR bodies with e.g. M > lenses? Wouldn't I have to use the green button for measuring anymore? > Green button automatic now works off the shutter button. Push the shutter button and it goes through the green button motions and takes the picture. Since the camera works at 12fps, this should be a very quick operation. I believe they have extended the feature to a couple of other exposure modes, but I don't recall which ones. bill > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:40 PM, John wrote: > > FWIW, I don't think the hot-shoe cover design has changed since the PZ-1p. I > probably have more of them than I have hot-shoes to cover. > > I found several rummaging around in miscellaneous Pentax stuff at camera > stores when I was looking for the style of real lens caps I prefer. > > https://www.nordic-digital.com/en/lens-accessories/7623-pentax-rear-lens-cap-k-31006 > > ... shaped like a little top hat with a wide flange where it fits on to the > bayonet. > > I still don't understand why someone would pay $50 for a replacement hot-shoe > cover. If you lost the one that came with the camera, aren’t > you just as likely to lose the replacement one too? > Because they are collectors and buy collectors items. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
FWIW, I don't think the hot-shoe cover design has changed since the PZ-1p. I probably have more of them than I have hot-shoes to cover. I found several rummaging around in miscellaneous Pentax stuff at camera stores when I was looking for the style of real lens caps I prefer. https://www.nordic-digital.com/en/lens-accessories/7623-pentax-rear-lens-cap-k-31006 ... shaped like a little top hat with a wide flange where it fits on to the bayonet. I still don't understand why someone would pay $50 for a replacement hot-shoe cover. If you lost the one that came with the camera, aren't you just as likely to lose the replacement one too? On 4/3/2021 11:00:35, Alan C wrote: Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag. I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover. Alan C On 03-Apr-21 04:44 PM, Bill wrote: On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John wrote: Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Except if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems don't we? If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger to go along with it. If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning. I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. bill -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/3/2021 04:24:21, mike wilson wrote: On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John wrote: Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Except if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. -- Valid point, but I'm unlikely to sell an existing camera to finance a new one. I still have my K1000, LX, SuperProgram, PZ-1p (x2), *ist-D, K10D, K20D ... along with the K-3 & K-1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/29760575660/in/photostream/lightbox/ ... and a Bronica ETRS & a couple of 4x5 cameras. I'm not a collector, but I am a keeper. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 03 April 2021 at 15:44 Bill wrote: > > > On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: > > > >> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John wrote: > >> > >> > >> Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or > >> for > >> that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? > >> > >> As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of > >> the > >> charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. > > > > Except if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you > > are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. > > Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems > don't we? > > If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you > buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger > to go along with it. > If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the > camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning. > > I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. I don't necessarily disagree with you about the _need_ for a battery charger for many buyers; my point is that, for an unknown percentage of buyers, the $40:00 extra might be the difference between buying and not. Assuming the wholesale cost of a charger would be $20 and the cost to buy from the manufacturer in bulk would be half that, it does rather come over as spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar. The packaging probably costs more. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
Am 31.03.21 um 09:33 schrieb Henk Terhell: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review Recommended price is $ 2000. What am I to make of this: "The PENTAX K-3 Mark III allows AE photography at the closed-down aperture for M-series lenses and lenses that previously could be used only in open-aperture shooting." Any difference to the behaviour of former Pentax DSLR bodies with e.g. M lenses? Wouldn't I have to use the green button for measuring anymore? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/3/2021 9:00 AM, Alan C wrote: Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag. I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover. At some point the first world problems just become too much to bear. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I mentioned the missing charger. :) All prereviews rave about the viewfinder. The specs say 1.05x vs 0.95x for current models. I dont see how that would be a major improvement. If the viewfinder would be just like the MX it would make it a dream for tele. I dont see much in the current 0.95x viewfinders and my optomotrist claims i have 120% vision On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 17:27 Ralf R Radermacher, wrote: > Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C: > > Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. > > Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something > (i.e. you and me) to get all worked up about. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C: Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something (i.e. you and me) to get all worked up about. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag. I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover. Alan C On 03-Apr-21 04:44 PM, Bill wrote: On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John wrote: Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Except if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems don't we? If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger to go along with it. If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning. I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John wrote: Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Except if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems don't we? If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger to go along with it. If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning. I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 03 April 2021 at 07:04 John Francis wrote: > > > > The one that B have been showing for a while is at least metal, not plastic. > I'm not sure whether the one on the German web page, which is apparently a > special K3 one that is made to look a bit like a pentaprism housing, and has > the word Pentax on it (albeit not inscribed in large, friendly letters ...) > is metal or plastic. Would a friendlier font help you keep tabs on it? Would keeping tabs on it make you a better photographer? Enquiring monds (both of them) need to know. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:02:03PM -0400, John wrote: > > Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the > > original stock hot-shoe cover? > > > > On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B's web > > > site for several years now.?? It is outrageously expensive for a piece > > > of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > > > > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > > > Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: > > > > > > > > > Well, it is April 1st ... > > > > > > > > Sure? > > > > > > > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put > > them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax lens caps seem to be rather expensive as well. I remember one review of lens caps in general that headed the Pentax section with "Same plastic, twice the price" - and they were. > On 03 April 2021 at 04:02 John wrote: > > > Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the > original stock hot-shoe cover? > > On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B's web > > site > > for several years now. It is outrageously expensive for a piece of > > extruded > > plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > >> Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: > >> > >>> Well, it is April 1st ... > >> > >> Sure? > >> > >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John wrote: > > > Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or > for > that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? > > As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the > charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Except if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've discovered that with the K-1 on tripod the majority of my pictures are nowadays taken after composing in live view. It is easier to select focus and has wider focus area. With the possibility to adjust the angle of the screen it is easy enough to avoid reflection of the screen. And with focus stacking or HDR I use the remote control. So I don't care much about the viewfinder except for pics of fast moving animals, but for which faster AF is of much more importance. Henk Op 2021-04-03 om 05:05 schreef John: I do wonder how that better viewfinder is going to work with the touch screen display though. On 4/2/2021 16:25:06, Mark C wrote: On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger. A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be that Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical finders vs EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature. Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated by super nice view finders. The camera does look impressive. Mark -- -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For what I used to spend a lot of my time photographing, auto-focus began doing better than I could manage around 25 years ago, which is why I bought a PZ-1p. And after one too many times where I tripped the shutter just a little bit too early, I want a camera that is ready to take the next shot as soon as possible. I don't fret over much about my development as a photographer - I just want a tool that helps me get the shot I want, especially in fast-changing situations. On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:03:39AM -0400, John wrote: > The camera autofocus & frame rates aren't what's holding back my development > as a photographer. > > On 4/3/2021 00:39:22, John Francis wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote: > > > > > > Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it > > > would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 > > > II. > > > > If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's > > probably the best body for you. I shoot more at the longer focal lengths > > than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide > > enough), > > so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, > > especially > > since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless > > I'm > > really pushing things. > > > > What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as > > possible > > in the continuous shooting mode). I'm waiting to see what the reviewers > > have > > to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising. > > -- > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The one that B have been showing for a while is at least metal, not plastic. I'm not sure whether the one on the German web page, which is apparently a special K3 one that is made to look a bit like a pentaprism housing, and has the word Pentax on it (albeit not inscribed in large, friendly letters ...) is metal or plastic. On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:02:03PM -0400, John wrote: > Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the > original stock hot-shoe cover? > > On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B's web > > site for several years now.?? It is outrageously expensive for a piece > > of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > > Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: > > > > > > > Well, it is April 1st ... > > > > > > Sure? > > > > > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put > them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them. > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The camera autofocus & frame rates aren't what's holding back my development as a photographer. On 4/3/2021 00:39:22, John Francis wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote: Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's probably the best body for you. I shoot more at the longer focal lengths than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough), so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm really pushing things. What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible in the continuous shooting mode). I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising. -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote: > > Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it > would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's probably the best body for you. I shoot more at the longer focal lengths than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough), so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm really pushing things. What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible in the continuous shooting mode). I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's probably not a problem for a Pentax user who already has chargers for the D-LI90, but I think it might be a downside for attracting new users to the brand. On 4/1/2021 10:50:15, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 01.04.21 um 16:37 schrieb Bill: You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you think about it. They've all been sold with the cameras they came with. K-3: 1300 euros with charger, K-3-III: 2000 without. Strange logic... Ralf -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I do wonder how that better viewfinder is going to work with the touch screen display though. On 4/2/2021 16:25:06, Mark C wrote: On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger. A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be that Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical finders vs EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature. Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated by super nice view finders. The camera does look impressive. Mark -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the original stock hot-shoe cover? On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B's web site for several years now. It is outrageously expensive for a piece of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: Well, it is April 1st ... Sure? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html -- PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. But since my K-3 is an adequate backup for the K-1, I don't NEED to replace it. And this doesn't appear to offer enough more that I would WANT to replace it. Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. On 3/31/2021 03:43:08, Toine wrote: 2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review Recommended price is $ 2000. Henk -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri., Apr. 2, 2021, 7:09 p.m. John Francis, wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:32:36PM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 01.04.21 um 18:44 schrieb John Francis: > > > > > With a predicted battery life of 800 shots (and a battery grip for 800 > more) > > > I don't envision running out of battery power on a day's shooting. > > > > As long as you're shooting in the comfort of your well-heated living > > room that may be true. > > > > Let me tell you that in gale-force winds and at sub-zero temperatures > > with a good dose of long exposures (30 sec +), autofocus action and > > LiveView (some of my typical shooting situations) your 800 shots are > > more like 100. > > > > Ralf > > If it's in gale-force winds at sub-zero temperatures, I'm not going to > be out there long enough to get even 100 30-second exposures, even with > a second battery being kept warm in my pocket to slip into the battery > grip when the first one gives out. Nor, I hazard to guess, are 99+% of > the potential purchasers of the K3iii. And I don't have to be in my > living room to get more than 100 shots out of a battery - almost all > the shots I've taken in the nearly 50 years since I bought my first > Pentax have been taken in conditions far more conducive to good battery > life than those you mention. Off-hand I can only think of three or four > situations when I was shooting at below zero (Fahrenheit). > > I any case, if I do buy myself a K3iii (plus the grip & extra battery) > I'll have four batteries I can use; I believe the D90 batteries that I > bought with my K5 over 10 years ago will work in the K3iii, and the old > battery charger for those batteries will charge the new batteries as well. > > So, as I said, I wouldn't envision running out of batteries in a day of > shooting with a K3iii. Heck, I'm not even sure Larry could manage that! > I suspect the idea is that the camera gets plugged in at night and is supposedly fresh for another day. If you need more than that, buy a battery and charger. bill > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:32:36PM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 01.04.21 um 18:44 schrieb John Francis: > > > With a predicted battery life of 800 shots (and a battery grip for 800 more) > > I don't envision running out of battery power on a day's shooting. > > As long as you're shooting in the comfort of your well-heated living > room that may be true. > > Let me tell you that in gale-force winds and at sub-zero temperatures > with a good dose of long exposures (30 sec +), autofocus action and > LiveView (some of my typical shooting situations) your 800 shots are > more like 100. > > Ralf If it's in gale-force winds at sub-zero temperatures, I'm not going to be out there long enough to get even 100 30-second exposures, even with a second battery being kept warm in my pocket to slip into the battery grip when the first one gives out. Nor, I hazard to guess, are 99+% of the potential purchasers of the K3iii. And I don't have to be in my living room to get more than 100 shots out of a battery - almost all the shots I've taken in the nearly 50 years since I bought my first Pentax have been taken in conditions far more conducive to good battery life than those you mention. Off-hand I can only think of three or four situations when I was shooting at below zero (Fahrenheit). I any case, if I do buy myself a K3iii (plus the grip & extra battery) I'll have four batteries I can use; I believe the D90 batteries that I bought with my K5 over 10 years ago will work in the K3iii, and the old battery charger for those batteries will charge the new batteries as well. So, as I said, I wouldn't envision running out of batteries in a day of shooting with a K3iii. Heck, I'm not even sure Larry could manage that! -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri., Apr. 2, 2021, 2:25 p.m. Mark C, wrote: > On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: > > > > The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built > > around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. > > I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer > > already has an external battery charger. > > A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and > commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have > no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be that > Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical finders vs > EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature. Hopefully > there is really a market segment motivated by super nice view finders. > The camera does look impressive. > > Mark > I wonder if some of what they are doing is prepping for when they are the only game in town if one wants an SLR? I can see Canon and Sony going 100% mirrorless within a few years. I think it's been 6 years since Sony last introduced an SLR, they did a pellicle mirror camera in 2016. I believe everything from them since has been mirtorless. History tells me that Canon will drop the EF mount sooner rather than later. I expect that in 5 years Canon won't be making SLR cameras or lenses. Nikon will probably keep an SLR in their line up, but I don't anticipate a lot of new SLR models from them in the future. There are enough people for whom the EVF is literally a headache that the SLR market will have customers. bill > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 02.04.21 um 22:56 schrieb Juan Buhler: I want to take a look at it when I have a chance. It might be just me, but after a certain age, optical viewfinders stopped working as well as they used to. My troubles began when I got my first no-line glasses, 15 years ago. I suddenly needed a correction of +1 for my viewfinders. Given that all my older cameras didn't have adjustable viewfinders, I had to fit correcion lenses with all their known disadvantages. Now, with adjustable viewfinders in modern cameras, it's no longer a problem but manual focussing has become ever more difficult with my ageing eyes, so I've mostly stopped using MF lenses which is a little sad because I really liked some of them. No-one has ever been able to explain this odd phenomenon with the +1 correction, not even the experts at Essilor, Zeiss and Rodenstock. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I want to take a look at it when I have a chance. It might be just me, but after a certain age, optical viewfinders stopped working as well as they used to. I can now see things in an EVF better than even in a really good OVF like that of my MX. After I realized this, it was a matter of trying the amazing OVF of the X-T[1,2,3] to not want to look back. I do miss the K3 sometimes, that was peak DSLR for me, and I did own a KP for a few years after that. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.juanbuhler.com On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 1:25 PM Mark C wrote: > On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: > > > > The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built > > around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. > > I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer > > already has an external battery charger. > > A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and > commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have > no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be that > Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical finders vs > EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature. Hopefully > there is really a market segment motivated by super nice view finders. > The camera does look impressive. > > Mark > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 01.04.21 um 18:44 schrieb John Francis: With a predicted battery life of 800 shots (and a battery grip for 800 more) I don't envision running out of battery power on a day's shooting. As long as you're shooting in the comfort of your well-heated living room that may be true. Let me tell you that in gale-force winds and at sub-zero temperatures with a good dose of long exposures (30 sec +), autofocus action and LiveView (some of my typical shooting situations) your 800 shots are more like 100. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger. A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be that Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical finders vs EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature. Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated by super nice view finders. The camera does look impressive. Mark -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Exactly my thoughts Bill, well said! > On 1 Apr 2021, at 16:37, Bill wrote: > > On 4/1/2021 8:27 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> Am 01.04.21 um 16:02 schrieb pen...@dfsee.com: >>> The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, >>> which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others >> I think this deserves the grand prize for the most idiotic idea of all >> times. So, once the battery is empty, I put the camera aside for the >> time it takes to recharge and then I can use it again? >> For many years, the solution of recharging spare batteries outside of >> the camera seemed to me to be the only sensible way. Even my car has a >> 230 volt socket, so I can use the supplied Pentax battery charger on the >> road. >> Or what am I getting wrong here? > > What you are getting wrong is that you can buy an accessory battery charger, > either from Pentax or a variety of aftermarket companies. > Think of it as part of the price of admission. > In Canada, I can get a third party charger for about 40 dollars. I expect the > K3III will cost close to Can$2500.00 when released. > I'm not in the market for this particular camera, but if I was, I wouldn't be > bitching very hard about an extra less than 2% for an accessory charger. > Oh, unless you haven't upgraded since the K20, it's the same battery as has > been in use since 2009, and the same charger. > You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you think > about it. > > bill > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Jan van Wijk; https://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B's web site for several years now. It is outrageously expensive for a piece of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: Well, it is April 1st ... Sure? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: Well, it is April 1st ... Sure? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Apr 1, 2021, at 9:36 AM, John Francis wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:13:11PM +0200, Alan C wrote: >> At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger? >> > > I suspect that's at least partially due to their experience in Europe. > > Back in the early days of cellphones, every cellphone sold included a > charger in the box, complete with a proprietary connection. This led > to large numbers of (perfectly usable) chargers ending up in the trash > (or, of you were lucky, in the electronics recycling bin). > Eventually this led to laws requiring a standard way of charging, > > While I've still got a variety of chargers lying around (at least 3 > different types of USB connectors, and different "fast charge" modes) > I’ve got less different chargers I use now, serving far more devices. This is not a mode that works so well for people who regularly go out and shoot 2,000 frames at a time, but I suspect most people will take far fewer photographs, only need one battery, and this way they don’t need to worry about losing/finding their charger, and all they need is the cable they already use to upload the photos to their computer. A cable like ones that they already have several of lying around. I’m not thrilled by this, but I understand how it would be more convenient for most people. This is probably much the same way as there is likely one person on this list that shoots straight to JPEG, and the in camera JPEG processing is a total waste of development effort for most of us, but it is probably vital to most people who buy a Pentax. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:27:27PM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 01.04.21 um 16:02 schrieb pen...@dfsee.com: > > > The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, > > which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others > > I think this deserves the grand prize for the most idiotic idea of all > times. So, once the battery is empty, I put the camera aside for the > time it takes to recharge and then I can use it again? > > For many years, the solution of recharging spare batteries outside of > the camera seemed to me to be the only sensible way. Even my car has a > 230 volt socket, so I can use the supplied Pentax battery charger on the > road. > > Or what am I getting wrong here? > > Ralf With a predicted battery life of 800 shots (and a battery grip for 800 more) I don't envision running out of battery power on a day's shooting. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 10:36:28PM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 31.03.21 um 20:13 schrieb Alan C: > > At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger? > > The real hoot is the optional hot shoe cover for 50 euros. > > https://ac-foto.com/product/o-hc177-hot-shoe-cover > > Ralf Well, it is April 1st ... -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:13:11PM +0200, Alan C wrote: > At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger? > I suspect that's at least partially due to their experience in Europe. Back in the early days of cellphones, every cellphone sold included a charger in the box, complete with a proprietary connection. This led to large numbers of (perfectly usable) chargers ending up in the trash (or, of you were lucky, in the electronics recycling bin). Eventually this led to laws requiring a standard way of charging, While I've still got a variety of chargers lying around (at least 3 different types of USB connectors, and different "fast charge" modes) I've got less different chargers I use now, serving far more devices. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 07:15:20PM +0200, Toine wrote: > Everytime [Pentax] claim improved AF, in practice it feels identical > (mediocre). I have to disagree with this. While Pentax is not up to the standards I've encountered with Nikon and Canon bodies, I was able to detect a very noticeable improvement between my K5 and the K3ii I borrowed from Larry for a trip to Circuit of the Americas. This is not a subjective measurement - using the same lenses from the same seat in the grandstand I got a higher percentage of in-focus shots with the K3 than with the k5. I think the K3iii is probably going to be enough of an improvement over the K5 for it to be something I will consider buying, should I decide to remain with Pentax. But that's still the big question - the older I get, the more attractive a smaller, lighter, system becomes. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 01.04.21 um 16:55 schrieb Bill: You know better than what you are spewing here. I rest my case. So, have you already pre-ordered the hot shoe cover for 50 euros? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/1/2021 8:50 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 01.04.21 um 16:37 schrieb Bill: You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you think about it. They've all been sold with the cameras they came with. K-3: 1300 euros with charger, K-3-III: 2000 without. Strange logic... Ralf Ralf, get over yourself. The K3 is an 8 year old camera, the K3II is 6 years old. If an accessory charger is going to break your bank account, you need to be seriously thinking about whether you can afford the hobby. You know better than what you are spewing here. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 01.04.21 um 16:37 schrieb Bill: You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you think about it. They've all been sold with the cameras they came with. K-3: 1300 euros with charger, K-3-III: 2000 without. Strange logic... Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 1 Apr 2021, at 15:37, Bill wrote: > > On 4/1/2021 8:27 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >>> Am 01.04.21 um 16:02 schrieb pen...@dfsee.com: >>> The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, >>> which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others >> I think this deserves the grand prize for the most idiotic idea of all >> times. Worse than marching on Moscow? > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/1/2021 8:27 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 01.04.21 um 16:02 schrieb pen...@dfsee.com: The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others I think this deserves the grand prize for the most idiotic idea of all times. So, once the battery is empty, I put the camera aside for the time it takes to recharge and then I can use it again? For many years, the solution of recharging spare batteries outside of the camera seemed to me to be the only sensible way. Even my car has a 230 volt socket, so I can use the supplied Pentax battery charger on the road. Or what am I getting wrong here? What you are getting wrong is that you can buy an accessory battery charger, either from Pentax or a variety of aftermarket companies. Think of it as part of the price of admission. In Canada, I can get a third party charger for about 40 dollars. I expect the K3III will cost close to Can$2500.00 when released. I'm not in the market for this particular camera, but if I was, I wouldn't be bitching very hard about an extra less than 2% for an accessory charger. Oh, unless you haven't upgraded since the K20, it's the same battery as has been in use since 2009, and the same charger. You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you think about it. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 01.04.21 um 16:02 schrieb pen...@dfsee.com: The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others I think this deserves the grand prize for the most idiotic idea of all times. So, once the battery is empty, I put the camera aside for the time it takes to recharge and then I can use it again? For many years, the solution of recharging spare batteries outside of the camera seemed to me to be the only sensible way. Even my car has a 230 volt socket, so I can use the supplied Pentax battery charger on the road. Or what am I getting wrong here? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 1 Apr 2021, at 03:35, P. J. Alling wrote: > > Actually I think the article said the opposite, no direct usb charging, but > it does include an external battery charger. Hmm, not exactly. I had an extensive talk with Mike Muizebelt this morning (the guy who did one of the K3 III reviews on You-Tube) What is included is a wall-plug type charger unit with USB-C cable, that plugs into the camera. The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others (when wanting to charge a second battery for example). An external charger is still available as a separate purchase, and the latest versions are USB-C based as well, with a fast charging unit, and a separate battery-charger module that uses USB-C as its power input (from that fast charger unit, or any other USB-C power source) (You can buy the USB-C powered battery charger separate as well, much cheaper without the fast-charge power-brick) BTW: Mike told me the thing that blew him away was fast and accurate focusing. AF-S as wel as AF-C (tracking) (Note that he IS a Pentax ambassador, so slightly biassed I guess, but I’ll take his word for it on any day) > > On 3/31/2021 3:43 AM, Toine wrote: >> 2000 That hurts! >> The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging >> from USB C only. >> Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. >> -- Jan van Wijk; https://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It seems to address every criticism of the K3II except for a lack of a tilt screen, so of course everyone is going to dump on it. As I'm not currently the target market, more or less perfectly happy with my current kit, all I see is a much improved APS-c, DSLR, and as I like DSLRs more than mirrorless cameras, I'm glad they made it. I hope they sell a ton of them. On 3/31/2021 3:33 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review Recommended price is $ 2000. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually I think the article said the opposite, no direct usb charging, but it does include an external battery charger. On 3/31/2021 3:43 AM, Toine wrote: 2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review Recommended price is $ 2000. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Having no first hand knowledge here is my assessment. Just due to the sensor being several Moore’s cycles newer than that K-3 or K-1, its raw performance will exceed even that of the K-1. However, since the days of the K-5 sensor performance has been to the point that in anything but the most ludicrous lighting, the difference in performance will be much more of a bragging point than any visible or practical difference for the vast majority of photos. The current K-1 will still have an edge on some ultra wide and fast lenses, being able to use more of their angle of view. It will also have an edge in using some film era lenses that just seem to subjectively work better at their designed angle of view. There are certain features that the K-3 iii is missing, that I expect will be available on the K-1 iii, both for space and to differentiate it from the K-3iii, since there is a very small percentage of crazies that actually push their cameras to their sensor performance limits. I am very interested in seeing what the placement of the 101 focusing points is. I frequently find myself wanting to focus on something that is outside the area covered by focusing points. My expectation is that there will be a tremendous improvement in both focusing speed and accuracy, but I can guarantee you that there will be a lot of people for whom this is not sufficient, and it wouldn’t be good enough even if it psychicly knew what to focus on and did so perfectly even before you knew what you wanted it to focus on. There will be as many people complaining that it isn’t mirrorless as there are who appreciate the new pentaprism, and will use this as evidence of the imminent demise of Ricoh/Pentax. Lather, rinse repeat for every new feature. I suspect that at least part of the high ISO performance will be post processing rather than raw hardware performance, and this will be an issue for at least a significant percentage of photographers. It will be interesting to see how configurable that will be. I predict that a lot of the reviews of the K-3 iii will comment on it’s stellar performance, and what a joy it is to use, and these glowing reviews will have little effect on the final sales numbers. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/31/2021 11:15 AM, Toine wrote: Maybe the sensor is something special, no idea, seeing is believing. I never felt they should be losing money. My feelings: Paying double (compared to the KP) for a partial upgrade and a partial downgrade feels strange. Everytime they claim improved AF, in practice it feels identical (mediocre). Improved frame rate, buffer, build quality, 4K video doesn't make me run to the store. Video on Pentax DSLR is an absolute nightmare compared to the competition. If the viewfinder and sensor is really special maybe I would bite, but by then my jaw would be on the floor preventing a firm bite. I've seen initial outputs from the new camera. It's not a "partial upgrade", and not a downgrade at all. Of course, you already have your mind made up, which is rather sad. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 31.03.21 um 20:13 schrieb Alan C: At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger? The real hoot is the optional hot shoe cover for 50 euros. https://ac-foto.com/product/o-hc177-hot-shoe-cover Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My tentative plan is to sell one of my two K-1ii bodies and to buy the K-3iii or some other APS-C body in a month or two. If anyone wants to buy a used K-1ii, let me know. I will include a charger and at least one battery. And an articulating screen. People keep mentioning the KP as an alternative to the new K-3iii. I never paid attention to the KP. What are the merits of the K-3ii vs. KP? One option I have considered is buying a used K-3ii in liu of the new release, but would the KP be a better alternative? Why? Stan > On Mar 31, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Alan C wrote: > > At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger? > > Alan C > > On 31-Mar-21 07:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote: 2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. >>> The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built >>> around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. >>> I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already >>> has an external battery charger. >> Aftermarket chargers aren’t terribly expensive, but I already have several. >> I often depend on being able to charge multiple extra batteries when I’m not >> shooting with them. >> >> I find the the articulated screen of the K-1 extremely handy, but make do >> without it on my K-3s. >> >> I am somewhat hopeful that all of the performance improvements won’t take >> nearly as long to implement on the K-1 iii as they did on the K-3 iii. I’m >> also quite certain that they don’t even want to mention the existence of a >> future K-1 iii until sales of the K-3 iii have tapered off. >> >> >>> bill >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger? Alan C On 31-Mar-21 07:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Bill wrote: On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote: 2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger. Aftermarket chargers aren’t terribly expensive, but I already have several. I often depend on being able to charge multiple extra batteries when I’m not shooting with them. I find the the articulated screen of the K-1 extremely handy, but make do without it on my K-3s. I am somewhat hopeful that all of the performance improvements won’t take nearly as long to implement on the K-1 iii as they did on the K-3 iii. I’m also quite certain that they don’t even want to mention the existence of a future K-1 iii until sales of the K-3 iii have tapered off. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 31 Mar 2021, at 18:52, Bill wrote: > > On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote: >> 2000 That hurts! >> The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging >> from USB C only. >> Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. > > The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around > an apparently fantastic viewfinder. > I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has > an external battery charger. > Indeed, I have two of them, the older trusted one that came with the K1 I think, and the new one that uses an USB-charger unit. The charger part can be connected to camera directly as well, to charge the battery inside. No problem. The USB charger should be usable for my safari-trip as well, where only USB power is available from the CAR batteries ;-) I pre-ordered a black K3 III, to be used as the main camera on a safari-trip to Botswana, with the 150450 attached for wildlife, and also take the K1 with me as a backup, and to use the 24-70 en 15-30mm on, for landscapes. Glad they both take the same DLI-90 battery Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; https://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Bill wrote: > > On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote: >> 2000 That hurts! >> The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging >> from USB C only. >> Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. > > The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around > an apparently fantastic viewfinder. > I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has > an external battery charger. Aftermarket chargers aren’t terribly expensive, but I already have several. I often depend on being able to charge multiple extra batteries when I’m not shooting with them. I find the the articulated screen of the K-1 extremely handy, but make do without it on my K-3s. I am somewhat hopeful that all of the performance improvements won’t take nearly as long to implement on the K-1 iii as they did on the K-3 iii. I’m also quite certain that they don’t even want to mention the existence of a future K-1 iii until sales of the K-3 iii have tapered off. > > bill > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe the sensor is something special, no idea, seeing is believing. I never felt they should be losing money. My feelings: Paying double (compared to the KP) for a partial upgrade and a partial downgrade feels strange. Everytime they claim improved AF, in practice it feels identical (mediocre). Improved frame rate, buffer, build quality, 4K video doesn't make me run to the store. Video on Pentax DSLR is an absolute nightmare compared to the competition. If the viewfinder and sensor is really special maybe I would bite, but by then my jaw would be on the floor preventing a firm bite. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 18:59, Bill wrote: > > On 3/31/2021 9:08 AM, Toine wrote: > > I don't see much improvement over the KP. I'm now in the market for a > > backup KP body to survive a few years. > > > > Much improved viewfinder, much improved AF, much improved frame rate, > bigger buffer, much more robust build quality, 4K video, BSI CMOS > sensor. I'm sure there are many more improvements than that over the KP. > As always, history repeats itself though. Pentax is still suffering from > a user base that feels they should be loosing money on everything they sell. > > bill > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/31/2021 9:08 AM, Toine wrote: I don't see much improvement over the KP. I'm now in the market for a backup KP body to survive a few years. Much improved viewfinder, much improved AF, much improved frame rate, bigger buffer, much more robust build quality, 4K video, BSI CMOS sensor. I'm sure there are many more improvements than that over the KP. As always, history repeats itself though. Pentax is still suffering from a user base that feels they should be loosing money on everything they sell. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote: 2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My longstanding practice has been to wait at least a year before buying a new camera model. The bugs get ironed out, features get tweaked, and prices usually drop. I really like my K-5, so am in no hurry. Rick On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:52 Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 31.03.21 um 17:08 schrieb Toine: > > I don't see much improvement over the KP. I'm now in the market for a > > backup KP body to survive a few years. > > Methinks Pentax have taken leave of their senses. > > My K3 has cost 1300 euros new IIRC. It's still doing fine, I'm quite > happy with it, and it will hopefully last a few more years. I don't > think I'd be ready to shell out 2000 euros to replace it, if and when > that should ever become necessary. > > I reckon I'd rather go for a second-hand K3 II. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
Am 31.03.21 um 17:08 schrieb Toine: I don't see much improvement over the KP. I'm now in the market for a backup KP body to survive a few years. Methinks Pentax have taken leave of their senses. My K3 has cost 1300 euros new IIRC. It's still doing fine, I'm quite happy with it, and it will hopefully last a few more years. I don't think I'd be ready to shell out 2000 euros to replace it, if and when that should ever become necessary. I reckon I'd rather go for a second-hand K3 II. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
I don't see much improvement over the KP. I'm now in the market for a backup KP body to survive a few years. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, 11:29 Henk Terhell, wrote: > Also 2000 euro here at Kamera-Express. > I would never buy this camera because of the fixed screen. > For me this is a turning point as a long time Pentax user. > As Ricoh is looking for a partner with Pentax, I'll search for my > crystal ball. > I like an APS-C camera besides FF because of the longer reach and easier > carrying than my K-1. > Options are: 1) get a KP before it is sold out, 2) wait on future > Pentax models that surely have a tilt screen, 3) look outside the Pentax > box or 4) forget about APS-C. > > Henk > > Op 2021-03-31 om 09:43 schreef Toine: > > 2000 That hurts! > > The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging > > from USB C only. > > Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. > > > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell wrote: > >> https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review > >> Recommended price is $ 2000. > >> > >> Henk > >> -- > >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
Also 2000 euro here at Kamera-Express. I would never buy this camera because of the fixed screen. For me this is a turning point as a long time Pentax user. As Ricoh is looking for a partner with Pentax, I'll search for my crystal ball. I like an APS-C camera besides FF because of the longer reach and easier carrying than my K-1. Options are: 1) get a KP before it is sold out, 2) wait on future Pentax models that surely have a tilt screen, 3) look outside the Pentax box or 4) forget about APS-C. Henk Op 2021-03-31 om 09:43 schreef Toine: 2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review Recommended price is $ 2000. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DP initial review of K-3 III
2000 That hurts! The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging from USB C only. Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell wrote: > > https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review > Recommended price is $ 2000. > > Henk > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DP initial review of K-3 III
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review Recommended price is $ 2000. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
