Re: Hi to Cotty...

[Steve Cottrell]

On 23/4/21, Cameron Hood, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Just stopped by to say hi. I'll drop you a line again when I get back to
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Hi to Cotty...

[Cameron Hood]

Just stopped by to say hi. I’ll drop you a line again when I get back to the UK.

Take care.

Thanks,
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Re: Cotty

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On 12/4/21, l...@red4est.com, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Yup, and getting rounder all the time.

True.




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Re: Cotty

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On 12/4/21, Cameron Hood, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Just wondering if Cotty is still around? I've been to England twice now
>and forgot to look him up. Known him online since the 90's.

Well there's a blast from the past.

Luckily my hiding place was a good one ;-)

I'm still here - I don't do much stills at the moment but just about hanging in 
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Re: Cotty

[ann sanfedele]

Cotty just posted something a couple of hours before you asked.. alive 
and well vac'd too.


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On 4/12/2021 1:52 PM, Cameron Hood wrote:

Just wondering if Cotty is still around? I’ve been to England twice now and 
forgot to look him up. Known him online since the 90’s.

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Re: Cotty

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On April 12, 2021 10:52:05 AM PDT, Cameron Hood  wrote:
>Just wondering if Cotty is still around? I’ve been to England twice now
>and forgot to look him up. Known him online since the 90’s.

Yup, and getting rounder all the time.

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Cotty

[Cameron Hood]

Just wondering if Cotty is still around? I’ve been to England twice now and 
forgot to look him up. Known him online since the 90’s.

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Re: Happy Birthday Cotty

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On 15/1/21, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And many more of them!

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Re: Happy Birthday Cotty

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On 14/1/21, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ya doddering old sod.

Cheers! I prefer Old Fart.




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Re: Happy Birthday Cotty

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And many more of them!

> On 15 January 2021 at 01:11 Larry Colen  wrote:
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Re: PESO: Blue Iris -- Caution! PUN thread started by cotty!

[ann sanfedele]

On 5/19/2020 8:12 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 18/5/20, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
The first of our iris to bloom this spring:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/5/18/iris
Fabulous shot Dan. The subject line caught my eye ;-)

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It looked really good to me too
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Re: OT: For Cotty

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On 30/4/20, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You've posted here before about your wife's American Roots Music podcast, so 
>when I ran across this I immediately thought of y'all.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sJZrEJjrQ

Thanks John - have forwarded to the Mrs.

After a lengthy hiatus, she'll be doing some more podcasts soon so she's very 
much in full-on music mode atm.

I'm just the techy who makes it all work ;-)




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Re: OT: For Cotty

[lrc]

Very nice.  I thought the name Darling West sounded familiar, KPIG played their 
latest album 2 cuts at a time a few weeks ago on their fresh pork chops feature.


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>podcast, so 
>when I ran across this I immediately thought of y'all.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sJZrEJjrQ
>
>... a couple of bands from the AmericanaFest UK got together to make a
>YouTube 
>video covering an old Jackson Browne song.
>
>Not "roots music", but it gives an international flavor to American
>music. The 
>young lady singing lead has a real "Dolly Parton" trill in her voice.
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OT: For Cotty

[John]

You've posted here before about your wife's American Roots Music podcast, so 
when I ran across this I immediately thought of y'all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sJZrEJjrQ

... a couple of bands from the AmericanaFest UK got together to make a YouTube 
video covering an old Jackson Browne song.


Not "roots music", but it gives an international flavor to American music. The 
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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

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Makes me kind of wonder if they're "Hungry, Hungry".

On 10/14/2018 17:07, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That's a lot of Hippos!

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 8:24 AM Alan C  wrote:


Olifants in flood, March 2014.
Olifants low water, August 2013
Hippos - FF.
Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.

All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint

This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water
but no grazing.

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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

[Alan C]

Thanks, Dan. I make it 60+.

Alan C

On 14-Oct-18 11:07 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That's a lot of Hippos!

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 8:24 AM Alan C  wrote:


Olifants in flood, March 2014.
Olifants low water, August 2013
Hippos - FF.
Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.

All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint

This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water
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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

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That's a lot of Hippos!

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> Olifants in flood, March 2014.
> Olifants low water, August 2013
> Hippos - FF.
> Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.
>
> All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint
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> This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water
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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

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On 14/10/18, Alan C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hippos - FF.

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/44399003155/in/album-72157696548914240/>

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GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

[Alan C]

Olifants in flood, March 2014.
Olifants low water, August 2013
Hippos - FF.
Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.

All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint

This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water 
but no grazing.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72157696548914240


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Re: the full not for Cotty gallery

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> On 18/10/16, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
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>>http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-fall-1/album/index.html
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> Holy Mary Mother of God.
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> 875 for me.
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> What's with all the shithouses

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Re: the full not for Cotty gallery

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>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-fall-1/album/index.html
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> What's with all the shithouses

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Re: the full not for Cotty gallery

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On 18/10/16, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-fall-1/album/index.html


Holy Mary Mother of God.

875 for me.

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Re: the full not for Cotty gallery

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David,

I believe photography was just the icing on the cake;
being there alone must have been a most pleasant experience itself.

Thanks for the feel.

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RE: the full not for Cotty gallery

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David J Brooks wrote:

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2016-fall-1/album/index.html

Great gallery.

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Re: OT - RIP Rover Defender - For Cotty

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On 30/1/16, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sad but true. Over 2 million built since 1948
>
>http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/land-rover-defender-production-ends-
>friday?utm_source=DailyDrive20160129&
>utm_medium=enewsletter_term=headline-
>center_content=body_campaign=awdailydrive

Thanks Ken. Yep well aware. Also - nearly 70 pc of Defenders (inc
original Land Rovers pre 1983 when the marque was designated 'Defender')
are still on the road.

Mine's a 2011 model with 60k miles and only just run in ;-)

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PESO(s) A couple of old defenders for Cotty.

[P.J. Alling]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20dkgreen.html

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20ltgreen.html

I went to a memorial service for an old friend today, and probably 
wouldn't have taken these photos if it weren't for all the defender talk 
recently.  I won't make any claims for artistic merit. These two old 
boys wouldn't either, at their advanced ages they're still working for a 
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OT - RIP Rover Defender - For Cotty

[Ken Waller]

Sad but true. Over 2 million built since 1948

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/land-rover-defender-production-ends-friday?utm_source=DailyDrive20160129_medium=enewsletter_term=headline-center_content=body_campaign=awdailydrive

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Re: [OT] It's British and involves a cat, Star Trek and puns: It has "Cotty" written all over it.

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On 12/11/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-34797513

Nowt to see 'ere.

Best line: Staff at the centre floated a number of names but settled on Brian


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Re: [OT] It's British and involves a cat, Star Trek and puns: It has "Cotty" written all over it.

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On Fri, Nov 13, 2015, at 07:13 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 12/11/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-34797513
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> Nowt to see 'ere.
> 
> Best line: Staff at the centre floated a number of names but settled on
> Brian
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An excellent choice if I may say so...


Cheers

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[OT] It's British and involves a cat, Star Trek and puns: It has "Cotty" written all over it.

[Mark Roberts]

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

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On 9/2/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

unless he decides he ain't gonna' do it.

I keep my word. I may not eat the whole hat as I like to wear it now and
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Jack Davis]

I don't want to think how you intend to get it back after it's been digested.  
EEE!!!

Jack

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On 9/2/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

unless he decides he ain't gonna' do it.

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[P.J. Alling]

Anybody who's pulled a string out of a cat understands this...

On 2/10/2015 10:21 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

I don't want to think how you intend to get it back after it's been digested.  
EEE!!!

Jack

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On 9/2/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed:


unless he decides he ain't gonna' do it.

I keep my word. I may not eat the whole hat as I like to wear it now and
again. But I will eat it.




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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Richard Womer]

Nobody has yet offered a cogent explanation of why ANYONE should be
easy on Cotty...
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, P.J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anybody who's pulled a string out of a cat understands this...

 On 2/10/2015 10:21 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 I don't want to think how you intend to get it back after it's been
 digested.  EEE!!!

 Jack

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 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:11:57 AM
 Subject: Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

 On 9/2/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

 unless he decides he ain't gonna' do it.

 I keep my word. I may not eat the whole hat as I like to wear it now and
 again. But I will eat it.



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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 10.02.15 um 16:11 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


I keep my word. I may not eat the whole hat as I like to wear it now and
again. But I will eat it.


You mean you can eat your hat and have it?

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[P.J. Alling]

Well actually the Q was released as a crop frame camera, the Q-7 was 
full frame unless there's a larger sensor Q in the future...


On 2/9/2015 3:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



CollinB wrote:
This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a 
company.  It is merely a trademark.


That brings up the question of whether he said If Pentax releases a 
full frame or if he said If there is a Pentax full frame. One could 
argue that if he said full frame rather than 24x36, then when 
Pentax, which was still Pentax, released the Q, his hat was forfeit.





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RE: Easy on Cotty, folks

[John Coyle]

That's no excuse, Collin! If it says Pentax on the camera, Cotty has a moral 
duty to break out the
sauce.


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Easy on Cotty, folks

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Larry Colen]

CollinB wrote:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
merely a trademark.


That brings up the question of whether he said If Pentax releases a 
full frame or if he said If there is a Pentax full frame.  One could 
argue that if he said full frame rather than 24x36, then when Pentax, 
which was still Pentax, released the Q, his hat was forfeit.


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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[John]

If some corporate entity owning the rights to Pentax trade dress
produces a DSLR having a sensor the same size as a 35mm film frame with
PENTAX on the front of the penta-prism housing, Cotty eats the hat.

... unless he decides he ain't gonna' do it.

In the meantime all the barracks house lawyering in the world arguing
whether or not he has to; if or when he has to ... don't mean nothin'.

On 2/9/2015 3:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



CollinB wrote:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a
company.  It is merely a trademark.


That brings up the question of whether he said If Pentax releases a
full frame or if he said If there is a Pentax full frame.  One could
argue that if he said full frame rather than 24x36, then when Pentax,
which was still Pentax, released the Q, his hat was forfeit.



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Easy on Cotty, folks

[CollinB]

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Jack Davis]

I believe I just heard Cotty exhale. Well, I guess it could be the local Beale 
air base launching a squadron of U2's.

Jack

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Eactivist]

I don't remember Cotty qualifying his eat hat statement. NO  LOOPHOLES!!!

Sheesh, we don't need lawyerially thinking in  PDML.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  (I am pretty sure that Cotty has an  eatable hat 
stashed away somewhere anyway.)

In a message dated 2/8/2015  9:10:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
coll...@brendemuehl.net writes:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a  company.  
It is merely a trademark.
 

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Boris Liberman]

I don't see any cameras being now offered for sale.  Nor do i think that 
time passed does not nullify Cotty's promise...


In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

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On 8 February 2015 19:24:48 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


I don't remember Cotty qualifying his eat hat statement. NO  LOOPHOLES!!!

Sheesh, we don't need lawyerially thinking in  PDML.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  (I am pretty sure that Cotty has an  eatable hat
stashed away somewhere anyway.)

In a message dated 2/8/2015  9:10:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
coll...@brendemuehl.net writes:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a  company.
It is merely a trademark.


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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

I don't see any cameras being now offered for sale.  Nor do i think  
that time passed does not nullify Cotty's promise...


In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..



Yes - but the days are getting fewer.


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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Bob W-PDML]

No way. He must be forced to eat the entire millinery department of 
Bloomingdales, Harrods and Galeries Lafayette one after the other and not 
allowed so much as a drop of Earl Grey in between. Let him eat titfer!

B



 On 8 Feb 2015, at 17:10, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 
 This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It 
 is merely a trademark.
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

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On 8/2/15, CollinB, discombobulated, unleashed:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company. 
It is merely a trademark.

Hmmm - the legal ramifications re a 'FF Pentax DSLR' could rumble on
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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Steve Cottrell]

On 8/2/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

I agree, Boris. In fact it it's waiting on the plate

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Steve Cottrell]

On 8/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

No way. He must be forced to eat the entire millinery department of
Bloomingdales, Harrods and Galeries Lafayette one after the other and
not allowed so much as a drop of Earl Grey in between. Let him eat titfer!

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Jack Davis]

This too will pass. Hopefully not too painfully.(OUCH)

Jack

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Subject: Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

On 8/2/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

I agree, Boris. In fact it it's waiting on the plate

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[P.J. Alling]

It should there'll be lots of fiber.

On 2/8/2015 6:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

This too will pass. Hopefully not too painfully.(OUCH)

Jack

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On 8/2/15, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:


In other words, certain hat lives to cover a certain head for another day. ..

I agree, Boris. In fact it it's waiting on the plate

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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

[Mark C]

Pt - Cotty - bake a cake, put it on your head, take if off and 
enjoy! Make a video and prove it to the world.


On 2/8/2015 5:49 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 8/2/15, CollinB, discombobulated, unleashed:


This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.
It is merely a trademark.

Hmmm - the legal ramifications re a 'FF Pentax DSLR' could rumble on
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Eactivist]

Heh. Sorry, not interested. Maybe someone else  is. Good luck.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Marine,

I should add, in case it's important to you, that the  X-E2 has an
onboard flash while the X-T1 doesn't.

If I come across as  a Fuji salesperson, I'm not. I'll happily let you
know all the things that  annoy the hell out of me on the X-E2 :-)

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On 29 January 2014 15:52, Miserere  miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 Marnie,

 You mean the  X-E2? There is an X-M1 (not X-M2) but it doesn't have a  
viewfinder.

 The guts of the X-E2 and X-T1 are very similar: Same  sensor and image
 processing engine, and probably same AF algorithms (at  least once they
 release new firmware for the X-E2). The EVF on the X-T1  is larger and
 has a faster refresh rate than that of the X-E2, but I own  the X-E2
 and think it has a very nice EVF, so it's not like you'd be  slumming.

 As far as external controls go, the X-E2 lacks an ISO  wheel, and Drive
 and Meter Mode levers. It also has fewer customisable  buttons, but
 that could change with a firmware upgrade, which Fuji seem  fond of.

 Lastly, the X-E2 is $300 cheaper than the  X-T1.

 I'm interested in the X-T1 because it's going to handle  larger lenses
 better and, most importantly, because it has a  flip-screen, which the
 X-E2 doesn't. A slightly larger EVF will be a  nice bonus, but is not a
 deciding factor for me.

 Are you  interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-)

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 On 29 January 2014  13:04,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 I am interested in the  X-M2, not sure of the  differences between it and
 this one. (It  has a viewfinder also, saw it at  CES).

  Marnie

 In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M.  Pacific  Standard Time,
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  On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated,   unleashed:

And I'm really not interested in an EVF,  however hard they  push it.

 I am, slowly being won  around. This one is OLED and supposedly  
one-tenth
 of the lag  rate of previous incarnations...

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Eactivist]

The mirrorless seem to be getting CLOSE to what  I want. Sort of like, 
I'll know it when I see it.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:31 AM,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 .. I am still sort of the opinion that *my*  perfect camera hasn't  been 
made yet. ..

It's probably a fact that  no camera can ever truly be perfect. 
I've come across a few that were quite  nice, however.

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

On January 31, 2014 7:45:17 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com 
wrote:
On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:31 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 .. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't 
been made yet. ..

It's probably a fact that no camera can ever truly be perfect. 
I've come across a few that were quite nice, however.

G


I've thought about that for the last 5 years or so. Shame there are no custom 
camera builders, like there are tailors, architects or carpinters; at this 
point I get so worked up by imperfect cameras that I'd be willing to pay a 
decent chunk of money for one, even if it's APS-C. 

If camera makers opened up their firmware, then I'd probably be able to end up 
with a 98% perfect camera for no extra money, but nobody listens to Thom Hogan, 
let alone to me :-/
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

On February 1, 2014 9:37:58 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com 
wrote:
On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 1/2/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years
 (aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and
with
 the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The
right-
 rear corner is just wrong--I have to move my whole right hand to
adjust
 EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use
 aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map
this
 control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is
on
 the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that
 solution is possible on the Fuji. 
 
 Interesting!
 
 I find moving the EV dial very easy with just my right thumb, without
 moving my right hand at all.
 
 Cat  skin ;-)

Different size/shape hands, we probably hold the camera somewhat
differently too. I can't seem to bend my thumb and move it precisely on
a wheel in that location. I always end up taking the camera from my eye
and looking at the dial to see what I'm doing, which gets in the way of
my shooting workflow. 

Don't leave that cat skin laying about. I hear it broils up nicely and
goes well with hat. ];-)

(Ann will shoot me next time I see her… )

G


I don't have an issue with the placement of the EV Comp dial, but I do have an 
issue with how tight it is on the new X cameras; I can barely move it with my 
thumb while holding the camera steady to my eye, and when I do, I'm never sure 
how much I moved it because I generally overshoot. And no, Godfrey, you can't 
reassign this to another dial. 

Related to this issue is the shutter speed dial, which is even tighter, making 
it impossible for me to shoot in Tv mode (unless I'm happy picking a single 
speed and not changing it dynamically in real time as I shoot). 
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Rob Studdert]

On 3 February 2014 08:18, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

 If camera makers opened up their firmware, then I'd probably be able to end 
 up with a 98% perfect camera for no extra money, but nobody listens to Thom 
 Hogan, let alone to me :-/
 Cheers,

Amen, the Sony RX100.. could benefit greatly by having photographers
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've thought about that for the last 5 years or so. Shame there are no custom 
 camera builders, like there are tailors, architects or carpinters; at this 
 point I get so worked up by imperfect cameras that I'd be willing to pay a 
 decent chunk of money for one, even if it's APS-C. 
 
 If camera makers opened up their firmware, then I'd probably be able to end 
 up with a 98% perfect camera for no extra money, but nobody listens to Thom 
 Hogan, let alone to me :-/

For me, Olympus got it so nearly, perfectly right with the E-1 and then the 
E-M1 bodies. Button and dial placement on both is outstanding, shape and grip 
size just naturally falls to hand with the dials easily accessible. And the 
E-M1 is so configurable, with 9 or 10 of the buttons, levers, and dials 
customizable, it's pretty much able to be configured for nearly anyone's 
preferences. 

By comparison, the Sony A7 is clunky, a bit rough around the edges. What saves 
it is the excellent sensor, and the fact that I have a kit of superb lenses 
looking for a body to work with. :-)

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 31/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've come across a few that were quite nice, however.

This bloke seems to think the EVF is something special. Bit of a fanboy
maybe but he's not 100% on it. Interesting take.

http://fotografeivindrohne.blogspot.no/2014/01/fujifilm-x-t1-first-
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 31/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I've come across a few that were quite nice, however.
 
 This bloke seems to think the EVF is something special. Bit of a fanboy
 maybe but he's not 100% on it. Interesting take.
 
 http://fotografeivindrohne.blogspot.no/2014/01/fujifilm-x-t1-first-hands-on-impressions.html?m=1

A bit, yes. ;-)

The EVF sounds like the ones in the Olympus E-M1 and Sony A7/A7r. It might even 
be the same panel as one of them. This latest generation of EVFs is, to my eye, 
as transparent as the best reflex finders and more useful overall. They only 
fall down in extreme niche uses typically associated with very high speed 
subject motion (the Oly E-M1 negative crowd are all people who use the longest 
pro FT lenses and shoot birds in flight … SLRs are still the best tool for that 
niche use). You should go play with one or the other of these bodies, until the 
Fuji is in the stores to look at too, to see the state of the art. If the 
Fuji's finder is even better quality, more power to them! 

If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years (aside 
from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with the Sony A7, 
it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right-rear corner is just 
wrong—I have to move my whole right hand to adjust EV compensation, and that's 
something I do all the time since I use aperture priority AE most of the time. 
The Sony allows me to re-map this control to the front dial, making it fall to 
hand easily like it is on the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't 
know whether that solution is possible on the Fuji. 

A little thing, but it always irks me. 

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Bruce Walker]

Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks, Cotty.

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 31/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've come across a few that were quite nice, however.

 This bloke seems to think the EVF is something special. Bit of a fanboy
 maybe but he's not 100% on it. Interesting take.

 http://fotografeivindrohne.blogspot.no/2014/01/fujifilm-x-t1-first-
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 1/2/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years
(aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with
the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right-
rear corner is just wrong--I have to move my whole right hand to adjust
EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use
aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map this
control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is on
the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that
solution is possible on the Fuji. 

Interesting!

I find moving the EV dial very easy with just my right thumb, without
moving my right hand at all.

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 1/2/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years
 (aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with
 the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right-
 rear corner is just wrong--I have to move my whole right hand to adjust
 EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use
 aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map this
 control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is on
 the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that
 solution is possible on the Fuji. 
 
 Interesting!
 
 I find moving the EV dial very easy with just my right thumb, without
 moving my right hand at all.
 
 Cat  skin ;-)

Different size/shape hands, we probably hold the camera somewhat differently 
too. I can't seem to bend my thumb and move it precisely on a wheel in that 
location. I always end up taking the camera from my eye and looking at the dial 
to see what I'm doing, which gets in the way of my shooting workflow. 

Don't leave that cat skin laying about. I hear it broils up nicely and goes 
well with hat. ];-)

(Ann will shoot me next time I see her… )

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Eactivist]

Heh. I thought saw a X-M2 at CES. No longer  sure, maybe it was the X-T1. 
Or the X-E2. Whatever it was, it was brand, brand  new. 

MarnieHuh, probably not. I have conflicting  desires to dump my Canon  
equipment and get the K-3 or a Fujifilm or  something similar that is 
smaller. But the Fujifilm is probably at the top of  that list. However, I 
probably won't do it anytime soon. I love my Canon glass,  but it is HEAVY. One 
lens in particular makes me want to switch every time I use  it. But the 
equivalent Pentax lenses (which are smaller) are around $1,000 each.  Ouch, 
pricey. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't  been 
made 
yet. Heh.

In a message dated 1/29/2014 1:42:11 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
miser...@gmail.com writes:
Are you interested in a gently used  X-E2? ;-)

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[Steve Cottrell]

On 31/1/14, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed:

*my* perfect camera hasn't  been made 
yet.

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Heh. I thought saw a X-M2 at CES. No longer  sure, maybe it was the X-T1. 
 Or the X-E2. Whatever it was, it was brand, brand  new. 
 
 Marnie Huh, probably not. I have conflicting desires to dump my
 Canon  equipment and get the K-3 or a Fujifilm or something similar
 that is smaller. But the Fujifilm is probably at the top of that
 list. However, I probably won't do it anytime soon. I love my Canon
 glass, but it is HEAVY. One lens in particular makes me want to switch
 every time I use it. But the equivalent Pentax lenses (which are
 smaller) are around $1,000 each.  Ouch, pricey. I am still sort of the
 opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. Heh.

Try renting some m43 equipment to see how light it is...
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:31 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 .. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't  been made 
 yet. ..

It's probably a fact that no camera can ever truly be perfect. 
I've come across a few that were quite nice, however.

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 29/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

Give me a bag of cormorants any day.

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Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Attila Boros]

It's a very nice body, similar to OM-D E-M1. I don't mind EVF, the
latest iterations are quite good. Magnification could be better
though. I'm not planning to get a mirrorless system, but now it would
be a tough choice between this and the Olympus.

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Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[P.J. Alling]

The Olympus looks really good, but I'd be leaning towards the SONY a7, 
despite it's now documented shortcomings, with an adapter it would make 
my full frame K and M lenses their proper focal lengths again.  I really 
don't like the fly by wire focusing that seems to be the new normal for 
most of the new EVIL camera systems, but then again I prefer a manual 
transmission in my car too.


On 1/29/2014 12:00 PM, Attila Boros wrote:

It's a very nice body, similar to OM-D E-M1. I don't mind EVF, the
latest iterations are quite good. Magnification could be better
though. I'm not planning to get a mirrorless system, but now it would
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[Eactivist]

I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the  differences between it and 
this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at  CES).

Marnie

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On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated,  unleashed:

And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they  push it. 

I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly  one-tenth
of the lag rate of previous incarnations...

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

Marine,

I should add, in case it's important to you, that the X-E2 has an
onboard flash while the X-T1 doesn't.

If I come across as a Fuji salesperson, I'm not. I'll happily let you
know all the things that annoy the hell out of me on the X-E2 :-)

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On 29 January 2014 15:52, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 Marnie,

 You mean the X-E2? There is an X-M1 (not X-M2) but it doesn't have a 
 viewfinder.

 The guts of the X-E2 and X-T1 are very similar: Same sensor and image
 processing engine, and probably same AF algorithms (at least once they
 release new firmware for the X-E2). The EVF on the X-T1 is larger and
 has a faster refresh rate than that of the X-E2, but I own the X-E2
 and think it has a very nice EVF, so it's not like you'd be slumming.

 As far as external controls go, the X-E2 lacks an ISO wheel, and Drive
 and Meter Mode levers. It also has fewer customisable buttons, but
 that could change with a firmware upgrade, which Fuji seem fond of.

 Lastly, the X-E2 is $300 cheaper than the X-T1.

 I'm interested in the X-T1 because it's going to handle larger lenses
 better and, most importantly, because it has a flip-screen, which the
 X-E2 doesn't. A slightly larger EVF will be a nice bonus, but is not a
 deciding factor for me.

 Are you interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-)

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 On 29 January 2014 13:04,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the  differences between it and
 this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at  CES).

 Marnie

 In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
 co...@seeingeye.tv writes:
 On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated,  unleashed:

And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they  push it.

 I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly  one-tenth
 of the lag rate of previous incarnations...

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 29/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:

If I come across as a Fuji salesperson, I'm not. I'll happily let you
know all the things that annoy the hell out of me on the X-E2 :-)

My X-E1 I got used will eventually go - but it's a capable little camera.

Wish list:

X-T1 and X100s black.

The 56/1.2 looks pretty cool:

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/cameras/Fujifilm/Fuji%20X-
T1/Product%20Shots/Fuji_X-T1_34-580-90.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/givesmehorn


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[Bob W]

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[...]
 
 X-T1 and X100s black.
 
 The 56/1.2 looks pretty cool:
 
 http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/cameras/Fujifilm
 /Fuji%20X-
 T1/Product%20Shots/Fuji_X-T1_34-580-90.jpg
 
 or
 
 http://tinyurl.com/givesmehorn
 
 
 Cameraporn!!!

Don't get too carried away, mate. According to this article in Reader's
Wives 
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/540368/fuji-unveils-x-t1-sy
stem-camera
it makes use of around 80 seals to help protect against dust and moisture

That's a helluva lot of seals to carry around. They're greasy little
fuckers, their flippers get everywhere, and you can never get the smell out.
Give me a bag of cormorants any day.

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[Miserere]

Marnie,

You mean the X-E2? There is an X-M1 (not X-M2) but it doesn't have a viewfinder.

The guts of the X-E2 and X-T1 are very similar: Same sensor and image
processing engine, and probably same AF algorithms (at least once they
release new firmware for the X-E2). The EVF on the X-T1 is larger and
has a faster refresh rate than that of the X-E2, but I own the X-E2
and think it has a very nice EVF, so it's not like you'd be slumming.

As far as external controls go, the X-E2 lacks an ISO wheel, and Drive
and Meter Mode levers. It also has fewer customisable buttons, but
that could change with a firmware upgrade, which Fuji seem fond of.

Lastly, the X-E2 is $300 cheaper than the X-T1.

I'm interested in the X-T1 because it's going to handle larger lenses
better and, most importantly, because it has a flip-screen, which the
X-E2 doesn't. A slightly larger EVF will be a nice bonus, but is not a
deciding factor for me.

Are you interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-)

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On 29 January 2014 13:04,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the  differences between it and
 this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at  CES).

 Marnie

 In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
 co...@seeingeye.tv writes:
 On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated,  unleashed:

And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they  push it.

 I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly  one-tenth
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Good point, Bob! Though 80 cormorants would make for a spikey camera...

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On 29 January 2014 17:26, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
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 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell
 [...]

 X-T1 and X100s black.

 The 56/1.2 looks pretty cool:

 http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/cameras/Fujifilm
 /Fuji%20X-
 T1/Product%20Shots/Fuji_X-T1_34-580-90.jpg

 or

 http://tinyurl.com/givesmehorn


 Cameraporn!!!

 Don't get too carried away, mate. According to this article in Reader's
 Wives
 http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/540368/fuji-unveils-x-t1-sy
 stem-camera
 it makes use of around 80 seals to help protect against dust and moisture

 That's a helluva lot of seals to carry around. They're greasy little
 fuckers, their flippers get everywhere, and you can never get the smell out.
 Give me a bag of cormorants any day.

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 07:00:04PM +0200, Attila Boros wrote:
 It's a very nice body, similar to OM-D E-M1. I don't mind EVF, the
 latest iterations are quite good. Magnification could be better
 though. I'm not planning to get a mirrorless system, but now it would
 be a tough choice between this and the Olympus.

It certainly looks like a nice body, but I've already got an APS-C
system (which will probably get a K-3 added to it at some point).

I'm more inclined to go for the OM-D, to get the lighter lenses
(compatibility with my wife's E-PL1 wouldn't be a bad thing, either).


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OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:


Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) 

http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-
press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate
question.) 

Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the
EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...'

and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit
by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested.

DPR:

http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Boris Liberman]

Well, but arguably, sir, you get to keep your hat uneaten...

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:


Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)

http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-
press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate
question.)

 Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the
 EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...'

 and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit
 by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested.

 DPR:

 http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl

 and

 http://tinyurl.com/phtktos

 --


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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Boris Liberman]

Well, but arguably, sir, you get to keep your hat uneaten...

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:


Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)

http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-
press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate
question.)

 Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the
 EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...'

 and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit
 by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested.

 DPR:

 http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl

 and

 http://tinyurl.com/phtktos

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Looks like a nicely designed body, similar aesthetic to the Nikon Df with many 
discrete dials, buttons and knobs. I hope it has an up to date EVF (on par with 
the Sony A7/A7r or Olympus E-M1) and feels good in the hand. I know Fuji's 
lenses are generally quite good; they're building up a decent lens line now. 

But: I'm not crazy about the position of the EV compensation dial (the A7 has 
it in the same place and I find it awkward, found it awkward on the two Fujis I 
had that had the same too; I've remapped A7's direct EV compensation to the 
front finger dial for my use). I remain less than thrilled with what I see with 
Fuji's unusual sensor when it comes to raw file processing. However, that 
situation has improved somewhat with the most recent revisions of Lightroom and 
Capture 1. 

The negative conjectures are my personal predilection … not a reflection on the 
camera really. ;-)
Exciting times in camera equipment land! 

G



On Jan 28, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 
 Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) 
 
 http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-
 press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/
 
 A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate
 question.) 
 
 Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the
 EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...'
 
 and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit
 by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested.
 
 DPR:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl
 
 and
 
 http://tinyurl.com/phtktos


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Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Bruce Walker]

Nice, but I won't buy one until they come out with a Full Frame model.
Wah, wah, wah!

;-)

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 Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)

 http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

 A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate 
 question.)
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Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[P.J. Alling]

Kind of looks like someone took parts of Sony's new FF mirrorless, and 
the Olympus OM-D, (doesn't matter which one really), and built a new 
camera out of the parts around an APS-C sensor.  From the front it looks 
a lot like a nice compact film SLR from the late 80's before AutoFocus 
took completely over.  The specifications look good I guess, but I'm 
finding it hard to get excited about gear that requires me to change 
entire systems.


On 1/28/2014 12:42 AM, Miserere wrote:

Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)

http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate 
question.)
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

For those that are wondering, a size comparison with the K-3:

http://j.mp/1f8Xz5k

Pretty similar from the front, but take a look from the top; big
difference there.

And Cotty, I assume you saw the EVF size comparison on the DPR preview:

http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/vf-sizes.jpg?v=2721

Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money...

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On 28 January 2014 03:56, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:


Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)

http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-
press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate
question.)

 Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the
 EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...'

 and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit
 by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested.

 DPR:

 http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl

 and

 http://tinyurl.com/phtktos

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RE: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Bob W]

The camera's very nice looking, but it's still only a .77x viewfinder, so
it's nothing like a digital LX. The LX had a superb viewfinder, and really
for me the viewfinder is a really important part of the choice in a camera.
And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. 

B

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 Subject: Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
 
 For those that are wondering, a size comparison with the K-3:
 
 http://j.mp/1f8Xz5k
 
 Pretty similar from the front, but take a look from the top; 
 big difference there.
 
 And Cotty, I assume you saw the EVF size comparison on the 
 DPR preview:
 
 http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images
/vf-sizes.jpg?v=2721
 
 Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my 
 hard-earned money...
 
 Cheers,
 
 
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 http://EnticingTheLight.com
 A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
 
 
 
 On 28 January 2014 03:56, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
  On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 
 Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)
 
 http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-li
ve-bloggin
 g-
 press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/
 
 A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a 
 legitimate
 question.)
 
  Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested 
 to see the 
  EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...'
 
  and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come 
 down a bit 
  by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested.
 
  DPR:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl
 
  and
 
  http://tinyurl.com/phtktos
 
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:

For those that are wondering, a size comparison with the K-3:

http://j.mp/1f8Xz5k

Pretty similar from the front, but take a look from the top; big
difference there.

And Cotty, I assume you saw the EVF size comparison on the DPR preview:


http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/vf-
sizes.jpg?v=2721


Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money...

You, me and bill apparently.

You know what, if you squint hard it's the same silhouette as an LX!

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. 

I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly one-tenth
of the lag rate of previous incarnations...

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Bill]

On 28/01/2014 2:33 PM, Miserere wrote:




http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/vf-sizes.jpg?v=2721

Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money...




Not having seen an EVF that doesn't make me hurl, I will probably like 
this camera from afar. OTOH, if, when I get a chance to look at the 
thing, the viewfinder lets me keep my last meal where it belongs, I will 
be so all over this camera.
Or, I might hold off and see if they come out with a new and improved 
one with their new style chip and 25mp in a year.

It does look like a sweet ride.

bill

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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Bill]

On 28/01/2014 3:29 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

If you prefer an SLR you've got to put the mirror box somewhere.




The 17.7 registration distance of the X-mount keeps the camera thinner 
as well.


bill


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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. 

Same for me. For now.

But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders
and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism,
etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical
of their effect on battery life).

Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will
replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as
good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Bill]

On 28/01/2014 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob W wrote:


And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it.


Same for me. For now.

But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders
and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism,
etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical
of their effect on battery life).


Yes kids, we have a winner.

Using my X-Pro1 with the viewfinder lit up has incredibly short battery 
life. The X-T1 will have an accessory battery grip, which adds to the 
size and weight, and probably still won't take it up to a K5IIs for 
number of pictures.
They are listing the battery life at 350 for the X-T1. I bet the reality 
is a lot less.


Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will
replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as
good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before
then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point.


From what I've heard, mirrorless sales numbers aren't all there. While 
they have a small but vocal fan(boy) base, they aren't really being 
embraced by the public.


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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/01/2014 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Bob W wrote:

 And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it.

 Same for me. For now.

 But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders
 and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism,
 etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical
 of their effect on battery life).

Yes kids, we have a winner.

Using my X-Pro1 with the viewfinder lit up has incredibly short battery

life. The X-T1 will have an accessory battery grip, which adds to the 
size and weight, and probably still won't take it up to a K5IIs for 
number of pictures.
They are listing the battery life at 350 for the X-T1. I bet the
reality 
is a lot less.

 Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will
 replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as
 good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before
 then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point.


From what I've heard, mirrorless sales numbers aren't all there. While 
they have a small but vocal fan(boy) base, they aren't really being 
embraced by the public.

bill


Bill, 

I take so few shots that I've never run the X-E2 dry in less than a few days, 
but I can see how others might have issues with short battery life. The X-T1, 
if I read correctly, offers a common sense EVF mode whereby it only turns on 
when you put your eye to it (and the rear LCD is off all the time). Why it's 
taken them 4 or so years to implement this instead of the EVF on all the time 
mode they had is beyond me. When I'm street shooting I actually carry the 
camera turned off in my hand, then turn it on when I see a shot worth taking. 

As far as mirrorless sales go, from memory I will quote that in Asia and Europe 
DSLRs represent about 1/3 of camera sales,  and mirrorless another 1/3. In the 
US, however, DSLRs are around 40% and mirrorless 15% (I'm on my phone and can't 
check actual values, so I might be off with the numbers, but the trend should 
be correct). 

The US is a huge market, but let's remember these camera makes are Asian, and 
if it sells there, they will keep making it. 

I was anti EVF until I spent a month shooting with the Panny G3 for a review. 
Then I went back to the K10D and wondered where the histogram and all the other 
info in the OVF had gone to. And why was it all off a sudden so hard to 
manually focus in low light??? Why was the OVF so dark??? Haven't looked back 
since. 

That's not to say I don't get the romanticism and directness of the OVF (I do 
love looking through my LX's viewfinder), it's just that a *good* EVF offers me 
more benefits. Ideally we'd have DSLR OVFs with lots of projected info, just 
like the Fuji X-Pro 1, but nobody seems to be in a hurry to develop that. 
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Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice, but I won't buy one until they come out with a Full Frame model.
Wah, wah, wah!

;-)

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)


http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

 A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a
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Yeah, yeah, yeah :-P 

It won't surprise you, Bruce, that there are plenty of FF demanders amongst the 
Fuji crowd, which seems a bit silly given how much dedication they've shown the 
APS-C format since day 1.
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[P.J. Alling]

We haven't seen a lot of cost reduction so far from using EVFs. Take for 
example two roughly equivalent cameras an EVF Olympus OM-D EM-1 at 16mp 
and the K-5II. The cameras spec sheets are very similar, weather sealed, 
Magnesium alloy bodies, With really about equal IQ, both have weather 
sealing available battery grips, The Oly has arguably one of the best 
EVFs on a m43 camera, the Pentax one of the best OVFs on an APS-C DSLR. 
MSRP at introduction for each was within $100.00 of other.


Now admittedly when you look at FF cameras, the Sony A7 twins sell for 
considerably less than the Nikon D800 and D610 but based on some of the 
reviews I've read, I think that Sony may have cut some corners in the 
imaging train to achieve those numbers, but where you can see roughly 
equivalent cameras one with an EVF and one with an OVF that have roughly 
the same build quality and image quality, they seem to sell for roughly 
the same price, and I expect they have roughly the same profit margin 
per unit.


There are distinct advantages to both types of viewfinders, which I 
don't think I have to go into, you can prefer the advantages of either 
or use both or hate both and use Leica, if you can afford it.


No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of EVFs may be, they will 
not replace OVFs until the manufacturing complexity and cost of a good 
EVF is significantly lower than a good Pentaprism OVF and based on 
pricing, which is the only real data I have, I think that using an EVF 
just replaces one source of cost and type of manufacturing complexity 
with another.


The thought that EVFs have to be better, or even equal to OVFs as a user 
experience, to replace them isn't really an issue. I don't like EVFs all 
that much, but I've looked through the OM-D EM-1 viewfinder, as far as 
viewfinder quality is concerned, that EVF is good enough now, for most 
applications.


As I said I don't like 'em, but if EVFs offered a big enough 
manufacturing advantage Pentaprism viewfinders would be gone tomorrow.




On 1/28/2014 7:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob W wrote:


And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it.

Same for me. For now.

But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders
and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism,
etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical
of their effect on battery life).

Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will
replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as
good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before
then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point.
  



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Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[P.J. Alling]

Since the Fuji cameras were designed from the beginning with an APS-C 
sensor and a whole new lens mount so there is no existing base of lenses 
designed with a big enough image circle to cover a 24x36mm sensor, 
Demanding a FF solution is worse than silly.  It would be like demanding 
that Olympus and Panasonic develop full frame 4:3 cameras.  Those 
cameras are already full frame.


On 1/28/2014 10:19 PM, Miserere wrote:

Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

Nice, but I won't buy one until they come out with a Full Frame model.
Wah, wah, wah!

;-)

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-)



http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a

legitimate question.)

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Yeah, yeah, yeah :-P

It won't surprise you, Bruce, that there are plenty of FF demanders amongst the 
Fuji crowd, which seems a bit silly given how much dedication they've shown the 
APS-C format since day 1.
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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't believe in the notion that EVFs are primarily intended to be cost 
reduction. At the present time, they represent the second most expensive single 
component in these cameras, the primary imager sensor itself being the first 
most expensive. Inexpensive pentaprism viewfinder technology is very very 
mature and not particularly expensive. Pro-grade pentaprism viewfinder cameras 
do carry a hefty bit of premium based on the cost of the reflex viewfinder. 

In this regard, the Olympus E-M1 is very interesting… It replaces the E-5 
model, shrinks the whole package in size/weight by about 30%, same build 
quality, has an improved sensor, better responsiveness, and the viewfinder is 
(to my eyes at least) substantially improved. And it does cost $400 less MSRP 
than the E-5 did on introduction … 

The real key is that EVFs are superior to reflex finders for formats that are 
smaller than 35mm FF. There are too many losses in illumination and viewfinder 
quality stemming from the reduction in focusing screen area. The Pentax K5/K3 
have one of the best reflex viewfinders in the APS-C space, and how many times 
do people here wish for something bigger/brighter/etc to match their old 35mm 
film SLR? Simple physics precludes it … the illuminating source in an APS-C 
100% coverage reflex viewfinder is only 45% the area of the 35mm format camera, 
so you're losing a little more than half the area, and thus half the light 
transmission.

G

On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

 We haven't seen a lot of cost reduction so far from using EVFs. Take for 
 example two roughly equivalent cameras an EVF Olympus OM-D EM-1 at 16mp and 
 the K-5II. The cameras spec sheets are very similar, weather sealed, 
 Magnesium alloy bodies, With really about equal IQ, both have weather sealing 
 available battery grips, The Oly has arguably one of the best EVFs on a m43 
 camera, the Pentax one of the best OVFs on an APS-C DSLR. MSRP at 
 introduction for each was within $100.00 of other.
 
 Now admittedly when you look at FF cameras, the Sony A7 twins sell for 
 considerably less than the Nikon D800 and D610 but based on some of the 
 reviews I've read, I think that Sony may have cut some corners in the imaging 
 train to achieve those numbers, but where you can see roughly equivalent 
 cameras one with an EVF and one with an OVF that have roughly the same build 
 quality and image quality, they seem to sell for roughly the same price, and 
 I expect they have roughly the same profit margin per unit.
 
 There are distinct advantages to both types of viewfinders, which I don't 
 think I have to go into, you can prefer the advantages of either or use both 
 or hate both and use Leica, if you can afford it.
 
 No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of EVFs may be, they will not 
 replace OVFs until the manufacturing complexity and cost of a good EVF is 
 significantly lower than a good Pentaprism OVF and based on pricing, which is 
 the only real data I have, I think that using an EVF just replaces one source 
 of cost and type of manufacturing complexity with another.
 
 The thought that EVFs have to be better, or even equal to OVFs as a user 
 experience, to replace them isn't really an issue. I don't like EVFs all that 
 much, but I've looked through the OM-D EM-1 viewfinder, as far as viewfinder 
 quality is concerned, that EVF is good enough now, for most applications.
 
 As I said I don't like 'em, but if EVFs offered a big enough manufacturing 
 advantage Pentaprism viewfinders would be gone tomorrow.


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Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[J.C. O'Connell]

Just another argument in favor of a FF DSLR from Pentax. bigger and 
brighter viewfinder.



On 1/29/2014 1:30 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I don't believe in the notion that EVFs are primarily intended to be cost 
reduction. At the present time, they represent the second most expensive single 
component in these cameras, the primary imager sensor itself being the first 
most expensive. Inexpensive pentaprism viewfinder technology is very very 
mature and not particularly expensive. Pro-grade pentaprism viewfinder cameras 
do carry a hefty bit of premium based on the cost of the reflex viewfinder.

In this regard, the Olympus E-M1 is very interesting… It replaces the E-5 
model, shrinks the whole package in size/weight by about 30%, same build 
quality, has an improved sensor, better responsiveness, and the viewfinder is 
(to my eyes at least) substantially improved. And it does cost $400 less MSRP 
than the E-5 did on introduction …

The real key is that EVFs are superior to reflex finders for formats that are 
smaller than 35mm FF. There are too many losses in illumination and viewfinder 
quality stemming from the reduction in focusing screen area. The Pentax K5/K3 
have one of the best reflex viewfinders in the APS-C space, and how many times 
do people here wish for something bigger/brighter/etc to match their old 35mm 
film SLR? Simple physics precludes it … the illuminating source in an APS-C 
100% coverage reflex viewfinder is only 45% the area of the 35mm format camera, 
so you're losing a little more than half the area, and thus half the light 
transmission.

G

On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:


We haven't seen a lot of cost reduction so far from using EVFs. Take for 
example two roughly equivalent cameras an EVF Olympus OM-D EM-1 at 16mp and the 
K-5II. The cameras spec sheets are very similar, weather sealed, Magnesium 
alloy bodies, With really about equal IQ, both have weather sealing available 
battery grips, The Oly has arguably one of the best EVFs on a m43 camera, the 
Pentax one of the best OVFs on an APS-C DSLR. MSRP at introduction for each was 
within $100.00 of other.

Now admittedly when you look at FF cameras, the Sony A7 twins sell for 
considerably less than the Nikon D800 and D610 but based on some of the reviews 
I've read, I think that Sony may have cut some corners in the imaging train to 
achieve those numbers, but where you can see roughly equivalent cameras one 
with an EVF and one with an OVF that have roughly the same build quality and 
image quality, they seem to sell for roughly the same price, and I expect they 
have roughly the same profit margin per unit.

There are distinct advantages to both types of viewfinders, which I don't think 
I have to go into, you can prefer the advantages of either or use both or hate 
both and use Leica, if you can afford it.

No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of EVFs may be, they will not 
replace OVFs until the manufacturing complexity and cost of a good EVF is 
significantly lower than a good Pentaprism OVF and based on pricing, which is 
the only real data I have, I think that using an EVF just replaces one source 
of cost and type of manufacturing complexity with another.

The thought that EVFs have to be better, or even equal to OVFs as a user experience, to 
replace them isn't really an issue. I don't like EVFs all that much, but I've looked 
through the OM-D EM-1 viewfinder, as far as viewfinder quality is concerned, that EVF is 
good enough now, for most applications.

As I said I don't like 'em, but if EVFs offered a big enough manufacturing 
advantage Pentaprism viewfinders would be gone tomorrow.





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Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!

[Miserere]

Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) 

http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/

A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate 
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Cheers,


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Re: For Cotty!!!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/12/13, CollinB, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ele/4238293683.html

Wretched things

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