Re: Monitors

[John Sessoms]

I've got two LG UK50T 32 inch 4K monitors. I'm fairly happy with them 
except all of the text is smaller than the bottom line on an eye test 
chart (I still do a lot of Photoshop tutorials).


On 6/11/2022 3:51 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

4K is the standard now for photography editing. I wouldn't buy smaller.

Henk

Op wo 8 jun. 2022 om 02:34 schreef Larry Colen :


I’m considering getting a new monitor.  I see that there are 4K IPS
monitors in the 27-32” range for around $700.
I could get away with another 2.5K, particularly at the smaller size range.

One of my gripes with my second monitor is that it doesn’t have brightness
or contrast controls for matching it with my primary monitor.

Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly
good values or nasty things to avoid?


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Re: Monitors

[Henk Terhell]

4K is the standard now for photography editing. I wouldn't buy smaller.

Henk

Op wo 8 jun. 2022 om 02:34 schreef Larry Colen :

> I’m considering getting a new monitor.  I see that there are 4K IPS
> monitors in the 27-32” range for around $700.
> I could get away with another 2.5K, particularly at the smaller size range.
>
> One of my gripes with my second monitor is that it doesn’t have brightness
> or contrast controls for matching it with my primary monitor.
>
> Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly
> good values or nasty things to avoid?
>
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Re: Monitors

[Bill]

I don't know if this was a good value or not, but I bought a
Viewsonic VP2785-4K 27" 4K Monitor and am more than happy with it.

bill


On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 6:34 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

> I’m considering getting a new monitor.  I see that there are 4K IPS
> monitors in the 27-32” range for around $700.
> I could get away with another 2.5K, particularly at the smaller size range.
>
> One of my gripes with my second monitor is that it doesn’t have brightness
> or contrast controls for matching it with my primary monitor.
>
> Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly
> good values or nasty things to avoid?
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Re: Monitors

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 08.06.22 um 02:34 schrieb Larry Colen:


Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly good 
values or nasty things to avoid?


Not much research but I've been using EIZO monitors for many years and
have just bought a CS2740, earlier this year, that I'm quite happy with.

I particularly appreciate their 5 year warranty. Only had to use it once
but it took just one phone call and the next day someone stood at the
door with a replacement.

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Re: Monitors

[Alan C]

One of these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_lizard

Alan C

On 08-Jun-22 02:34 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I’m considering getting a new monitor.  I see that there are 4K IPS monitors in 
the 27-32” range for around $700.
I could get away with another 2.5K, particularly at the smaller size range.

One of my gripes with my second monitor is that it doesn’t have brightness or 
contrast controls for matching it with my primary monitor.

Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly good 
values or nasty things to avoid?


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Re: Monitors

[Paul Sorenson]

You might want to check out the ASUS ProArt monitor series.  I have a 
24" ProArt that is seven years old and still going strong.  I calibrate 
it about every 30 days and find there is generally little or no drift in 
the calibration, and it syncs nicely with my Epson P-700.  When it comes 
time to replace this monitor I'd have no hesitation going with the 
ProArt again.  Amazon and B seem to price the 32" in the $700 range.


https://www.asus.com/Displays-Desktops/Monitors/ProArt/

-p

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I’m considering getting a new monitor.  I see that there are 4K IPS monitors in 
the 27-32” range for around $700.
I could get away with another 2.5K, particularly at the smaller size range.

One of my gripes with my second monitor is that it doesn’t have brightness or 
contrast controls for matching it with my primary monitor.

Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly good 
values or nasty things to avoid?


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Monitors

[Larry Colen]

I’m considering getting a new monitor.  I see that there are 4K IPS monitors in 
the 27-32” range for around $700.  
I could get away with another 2.5K, particularly at the smaller size range.

One of my gripes with my second monitor is that it doesn’t have brightness or 
contrast controls for matching it with my primary monitor.  

Has anyone done research on monitors lately and found any particularly good 
values or nasty things to avoid?


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Re: 4k Monitors

[Paul Stenquist]

I use second monitor with my iMac. The iMac has the 27-inch Retina 5K. It 
displays all of adobe RBG. My second monitor is a Dell 4K. It’s IPS and LED, 
but displays only SRGB. It was relatively inexpensive. About $400 I think. I 
keep the photoshop tools on the Dell and work on the Apple monitor. I spend a 
lot of time writing for clients. I frequently need four or more source docs. 
With the two monitors I can open them all. 

Paul

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> 
> 
> Den 28.10.2018 17:06, skrev John:
>> My current video card does have HDMI, but I'll have to check the version. 
>> OTOH, I don't know if it will do 4k resolution. That's why I think I may 
>> need to replace it to use a 4k monitor.
> 
> Even if it's a fairly old card there are databases online wher you can look 
> up its specs. Usually there is a column for "max resolution supported across 
> all screens" or something similar.
> 
> 
>> Does graphics card affect the color space that can be output to the monitor? 
>> That is, if I get an AdobeRGB monitor do I have to make sure the graphics 
>> card will support AdobeRGB.
> Every graphics card has a lookup table (LUT) to map colours to a colour 
> space. In the cheapest cards that LUT is read-only, but every mid-range and 
> up has user configurable LUTs. Actually, putting a custom LUT into the 
> graphics card RAM is what the ColorMunki will do.
>> I hope my existing ColorMunki calibrator will still be good enough.
> So do i. :-) Still use mine. Love the fact that I can calibrate prints with 
> it too.
>> My existing monitor has speakers built in which is good enough for YouTube 
>> tutorials & such. Which brings up another question ...
>> 
>> Anyone using multiple monitors so you can have your work on the main screen 
>> and toolbars and/or YouTube tutorials on a side screen?
> Yep. Got an old 46" hooked up for the occasional Netflix binging. :-) It's 
> actually a screen that usually do service at shopping malls as store maps or 
> info boards. Got it cheap and works well. It has a TN panel, though, so it's 
> not good for much else.
>> Can you mix a 4k monitor with a 1080p monitor to do that? ... or even lower 
>> resolutions (I have a spare monitor, but I don't think it's even 720p).
> Mine is 1080p, but my main screen is not quite 4K. More like 3K.
>> Do you need two graphics cards to do that & if my current graphics card 
>> won't support 4k, could it still work to drive a second monitor?
> 
> Depends on the card, really.
> 
> My system is based on a laptop with a docking station. The laptop has two 
> graphics cards built in so it's not directly comparable to your system, but 
> in principle I could have the better of the two cards handle all the graphics 
> no matter what. In my case it would consume more battery when used off-grid 
> so I don't, but it means you could probably get away with a single card.
> 
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Re: 4k Monitors

[Jostein]

Den 28.10.2018 17:06, skrev John:
My current video card does have HDMI, but I'll have to check the 
version. OTOH, I don't know if it will do 4k resolution. That's why I 
think I may need to replace it to use a 4k monitor.


Even if it's a fairly old card there are databases online wher you can 
look up its specs. Usually there is a column for "max resolution 
supported across all screens" or something similar.



Does graphics card affect the color space that can be output to the 
monitor? That is, if I get an AdobeRGB monitor do I have to make sure 
the graphics card will support AdobeRGB.
Every graphics card has a lookup table (LUT) to map colours to a colour 
space. In the cheapest cards that LUT is read-only, but every mid-range 
and up has user configurable LUTs. Actually, putting a custom LUT into 
the graphics card RAM is what the ColorMunki will do.

I hope my existing ColorMunki calibrator will still be good enough.
So do i. :-) Still use mine. Love the fact that I can calibrate prints 
with it too.
My existing monitor has speakers built in which is good enough for 
YouTube tutorials & such. Which brings up another question ...


Anyone using multiple monitors so you can have your work on the main 
screen and toolbars and/or YouTube tutorials on a side screen?
Yep. Got an old 46" hooked up for the occasional Netflix binging. :-) 
It's actually a screen that usually do service at shopping malls as 
store maps or info boards. Got it cheap and works well. It has a TN 
panel, though, so it's not good for much else.
Can you mix a 4k monitor with a 1080p monitor to do that? ... or even 
lower resolutions (I have a spare monitor, but I don't think it's even 
720p).

Mine is 1080p, but my main screen is not quite 4K. More like 3K.
Do you need two graphics cards to do that & if my current graphics 
card won't support 4k, could it still work to drive a second monitor?


Depends on the card, really.

My system is based on a laptop with a docking station. The laptop has 
two graphics cards built in so it's not directly comparable to your 
system, but in principle I could have the better of the two cards handle 
all the graphics no matter what. In my case it would consume more 
battery when used off-grid so I don't, but it means you could probably 
get away with a single card.


Jostein


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Re: 4k Monitors

[John]

Thank you and thanks to LRC, PJ and Toine.

I don't really have a "plan" yet, more of a vague itch that I may want to 
scratch some time in 2019. I'm still trying to figure out the information I'll 
need to make a plan.


To recap:
IPS
LED
Graphics card w/DisplayPort or HDMI (2.1 or later)
Sufficient power from the power supply
Speakers built in or not?
AdobeRGB (if affordable)
Good calibrator

I'm pretty sure my power supply will be good to go. I built the system myself 
and it's "overpowered" for photography, although I was more concerned about how 
many hard-drives I could power.


It already has an 800 Watt power supply, but it wouldn't be that hard to replace 
it with something even more ridiculous.


My current video card does have HDMI, but I'll have to check the version. OTOH, 
I don't know if it will do 4k resolution. That's why I think I may need to 
replace it to use a 4k monitor.


Does graphics card affect the color space that can be output to the monitor? 
That is, if I get an AdobeRGB monitor do I have to make sure the graphics card 
will support AdobeRGB.


I hope my existing ColorMunki calibrator will still be good enough.

My existing monitor has speakers built in which is good enough for YouTube 
tutorials & such. Which brings up another question ...


Anyone using multiple monitors so you can have your work on the main screen and 
toolbars and/or YouTube tutorials on a side screen?


Can you mix a 4k monitor with a 1080p monitor to do that? ... or even lower 
resolutions (I have a spare monitor, but I don't think it's even 720p).


Do you need two graphics cards to do that & if my current graphics card won't 
support 4k, could it still work to drive a second monitor?


On 10/28/2018 08:03, Jostein wrote:
IPS is an acronym describing the tech used to make the panel. Current 
implementations usually have a letter or two added to the acronym, like S-IPS, 
for example. However this isn't a cure-all. The colour space rendered by these 
panels vary between the modest sRGB and the desirable AdobeRGB. In my opinion 
the latter is for the connoisseur only, as the price tends to skyrocket as the 
number of colours rendered approach "100% Adobe RGB". That money could be better 
spent on a screen calibrator that will last you longer than your screen.


Other than that, you will want to have LED illumination rather than CCFL. The 
latter is basically a fluorescent tube, which is notoriuous for changing colour 
temperature as it ages.


I definintely support your thought about 32" for a 4K monitor. Anything smaller 
with that resolution would make the pixels so small that windows 7 will have 
trouble scaling things to a pleasant viewing experience.


Since you plan to upgrade your graphics card too, there are other things you may 
want to consider, such as the cable connections provided by screen and card. 
Make sure the card has either DisplayPort or HDMI (2.1 or newer). The older 
HDMI, together with the DVI- and VGA- families, do not support the bandwidth 
needed for 4K. Or if you pick a screen first, make sure the card has the same 
connectors. There is some overlap between various standards too. If you come 
across "thunderbolt" in this context, for example, it's actually a 
mini-DisplayPort.


Also cross-check that your power supply can deliver the necessery watts for the 
graphics card. Especially if you go high-end. :-)


There is also the issue of sound. HDMI and DisplayPort can carry sound, and many 
monitors come with built in speakers. I have no opinion on that, just keep it in 
mind. :-)


Some links I find good:

https://www.colourphil.co.uk/monitor-technologies.shtml

https://www.color-management-guide.com/how-to-choose-monitor-for-photography.html

Jostein


Den 28.10.2018 02:10, skrev John:

So, say that theoretically I was thinking about buying a 4k monitor ...

What buzzwords do I need to check off?

Needs to be Windoze7 compatible. I expect I'll also need a new video card to 
drive it, so anything you want to add about that would be welcome as well.


I'm looking for something in the 32" range. It will be used 99% for Photoshop 
since I don't do any gaming on that computer.







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Re: 4k Monitors

[Jostein]

IPS is an acronym describing the tech used to make the panel. Current 
implementations usually have a letter or two added to the acronym, like 
S-IPS, for example. However this isn't a cure-all. The colour space 
rendered by these panels vary between the modest sRGB and the desirable 
AdobeRGB. In my opinion the latter is for the connoisseur only, as the 
price tends to skyrocket as the number of colours rendered approach 
"100% Adobe RGB". That money could be better spent on a screen 
calibrator that will last you longer than your screen.


Other than that, you will want to have LED illumination rather than 
CCFL. The latter is basically a fluorescent tube, which is notoriuous 
for changing colour temperature as it ages.


I definintely support your thought about 32" for a 4K monitor. Anything 
smaller with that resolution would make the pixels so small that windows 
7 will have trouble scaling things to a pleasant viewing experience.


Since you plan to upgrade your graphics card too, there are other things 
you may want to consider, such as the cable connections provided by 
screen and card. Make sure the card has either DisplayPort or HDMI (2.1 
or newer). The older HDMI, together with the DVI- and VGA- families, do 
not support the bandwidth needed for 4K. Or if you pick a screen first, 
make sure the card has the same connectors. There is some overlap 
between various standards too. If you come across "thunderbolt" in this 
context, for example, it's actually a mini-DisplayPort.


Also cross-check that your power supply can deliver the necessery watts 
for the graphics card. Especially if you go high-end. :-)


There is also the issue of sound. HDMI and DisplayPort can carry sound, 
and many monitors come with built in speakers. I have no opinion on 
that, just keep it in mind. :-)


Some links I find good:

https://www.colourphil.co.uk/monitor-technologies.shtml

https://www.color-management-guide.com/how-to-choose-monitor-for-photography.html

Jostein


Den 28.10.2018 02:10, skrev John:

So, say that theoretically I was thinking about buying a 4k monitor ...

What buzzwords do I need to check off?

Needs to be Windoze7 compatible. I expect I'll also need a new video 
card to drive it, so anything you want to add about that would be 
welcome as well.


I'm looking for something in the 32" range. It will be used 99% for 
Photoshop since I don't do any gaming on that computer.




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Re: 4k Monitors

[Toine]

IPS or better. Only Win10 has decent 4K support. I got my LG 4K monitor a
year ago and was shocked after I connected the beast to Win10. Losts of
older apps don't support scaling (you have to scale the desktop to 150-200
%) resulting in tiny text and icons. After lots of upgrading and tweaking I
had to find alternatives for some apps. Prepare for the worst :)
I started with the internal GPU of Intel which presented some problems
(crashing GPU on 4K). Got the cheapest Nvidia (GeForce GT 1030) which runs
rock solid and it comes without a noisy fan.

Adobe CC (and Lightroom 8) runs perfectly on 4K

Prepare for the worst

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 02:11, John  wrote:

> So, say that theoretically I was thinking about buying a 4k monitor ...
>
> What buzzwords do I need to check off?
>
> Needs to be Windoze7 compatible. I expect I'll also need a new video card
> to
> drive it, so anything you want to add about that would be welcome as well.
>
> I'm looking for something in the 32" range. It will be used 99% for
> Photoshop
> since I don't do any gaming on that computer.
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Re: 4k Monitors

[P. J. Alling]

IPS as Larry has already said, there are other technologies that will 
give as good results but they are not as common, and tend to be more 
expensive, and wide gamut,  unless you're willing to put up with less 
than the entire RGB color space.  You might also look for Adobe RGB 
support, though that's probably less important.  TN will work but 
depending on the implementation and lets face it most are as low  
quality as they can get away with, there will be color shifts, sometimes 
radial color shifts from different viewing angles.


Personally, I don't think that 4K gives you that much for the additional 
cost, unless you're doing super critical work.  Hell right now I'm 
limping along on my backup monitor, or more properly, one of my two 
backup monitors.  It's one of the better implementations of TN that I've 
seen, and it's at this point very old, it just seems the older 
technology lasts, my much newer "better" LCD monitor, simply crapped 
out, and it's cheaper to replace than get repaired if it could be 
repaired at all.



On 10/27/2018 9:10 PM, John wrote:

So, say that theoretically I was thinking about buying a 4k monitor ...

What buzzwords do I need to check off?

Needs to be Windoze7 compatible. I expect I'll also need a new video 
card to drive it, so anything you want to add about that would be 
welcome as well.


I'm looking for something in the 32" range. It will be used 99% for 
Photoshop since I don't do any gaming on that computer.




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Re: 4k Monitors

[lrc]

Ips, I picked up what seamed too be a nice 4k, but it turned out to be tn and 
just didn't work well for photography

On October 27, 2018 6:10:33 PM PDT, John  wrote:
>So, say that theoretically I was thinking about buying a 4k monitor ...
>
>What buzzwords do I need to check off?
>
>Needs to be Windoze7 compatible. I expect I'll also need a new video
>card to 
>drive it, so anything you want to add about that would be welcome as
>well.
>
>I'm looking for something in the 32" range. It will be used 99% for
>Photoshop 
>since I don't do any gaming on that computer.
>
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4k Monitors

[John]

So, say that theoretically I was thinking about buying a 4k monitor ...

What buzzwords do I need to check off?

Needs to be Windoze7 compatible. I expect I'll also need a new video card to 
drive it, so anything you want to add about that would be welcome as well.


I'm looking for something in the 32" range. It will be used 99% for Photoshop 
since I don't do any gaming on that computer.


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Re: 4K monitors

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Generally, the electronics at Costco is the top of the line.


It was more a question of how well some of the new technologies work, 
OLED vs QLED vs IPS particularly for color reproduction etc.





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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Today's big steaming pile of shit I don't need is that my Dell U3014
(primary photo processing) monitor seems to have crapped out.
The other day I noticed that there were some pretty decent looking, and
very large (45-55") 4K displays at Costco in the $300 range.
Would these just suck in terms of color, dynamic range etc?
What would it take to drive them?
I've got an early 2009 mac pro with the radeon 5700 video card.  It won't,
of course, drive my apple thunderbolt display.

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Re: 4K monitors

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Generally, the electronics at Costco is the top of the line.

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> Today's big steaming pile of shit I don't need is that my Dell U3014
> (primary photo processing) monitor seems to have crapped out.
> The other day I noticed that there were some pretty decent looking, and
> very large (45-55") 4K displays at Costco in the $300 range.
> Would these just suck in terms of color, dynamic range etc?
> What would it take to drive them?
> I've got an early 2009 mac pro with the radeon 5700 video card.  It won't,
> of course, drive my apple thunderbolt display.
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4K monitors

[Larry Colen]

Today's big steaming pile of shit I don't need is that my Dell U3014 
(primary photo processing) monitor seems to have crapped out.
The other day I noticed that there were some pretty decent looking, and 
very large (45-55") 4K displays at Costco in the $300 range.

Would these just suck in terms of color, dynamic range etc?
What would it take to drive them?
I've got an early 2009 mac pro with the radeon 5700 video card.  It 
won't, of course, drive my apple thunderbolt display.


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Re: Inexpensive large monitors for pixel peepers

[steve harley]

on 2013-12-12 14:25 Igor Roshchin wrote

The main caveat that they are mainly available from eBay
(or, which very likely, I am not aware of other sources), and
_shipped from South Korea_,  which means if you get a lemon, it will
cost you to return it.


some of these are also listed on Amazon, just search for the the short version 
of the model name like xstar dp2710 (unavailable, but with review), qnix qx2710 
(available)




I've heard about a few people who bought such a monitor and are happy.
http://goo.gl/GwPbk7


Amazon reviews are not enough to get a good sample; most people are happy with 
them but the stand is a POS and the VESA mount may not work at all; one person 
said they bought two — one had bad backlight bleed and the other did not




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Inexpensive large monitors for pixel peepers

[Igor Roshchin]

Every so often some PDMLer mentions that he/she is looking for a
monitor. I just realized that nobody ever mentioned this new type of
monitors that look like a good deal.
They are ultra-high resolution (2560x1440 !), 27 with the
panel made by Samsung. The monitor itself is manifactured by 
some other company (I see mostly QNIX, X-Star, and don't know the
difference).
They are PLS which is, as far as I understand is a variation of IPS.
And the typical price is around $300 or so, including shipping.

The main caveat that they are mainly available from eBay
(or, which very likely, I am not aware of other sources), and
_shipped from South Korea_,  which means if you get a lemon, it will 
cost you to return it.
I've heard about a few people who bought such a monitor and are happy.
http://goo.gl/GwPbk7

Just in case: if you are going to buy such a monitor, make sure your
video adapter is capable of driving that high resolution.
In many (most?) laptops, the video adapter can not!

I hope this would be helpful to somebody.
If somebody knows any information about different models/brands, - that
would be appreciated.

Igor


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Re: Inexpensive large monitors for pixel peepers

[Zos Xavius]

Thanks for posting this. I'm looking at getting another monitor soon actually!

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 Every so often some PDMLer mentions that he/she is looking for a
 monitor. I just realized that nobody ever mentioned this new type of
 monitors that look like a good deal.
 They are ultra-high resolution (2560x1440 !), 27 with the
 panel made by Samsung. The monitor itself is manifactured by
 some other company (I see mostly QNIX, X-Star, and don't know the
 difference).
 They are PLS which is, as far as I understand is a variation of IPS.
 And the typical price is around $300 or so, including shipping.

 The main caveat that they are mainly available from eBay
 (or, which very likely, I am not aware of other sources), and
 _shipped from South Korea_,  which means if you get a lemon, it will
 cost you to return it.
 I've heard about a few people who bought such a monitor and are happy.
 http://goo.gl/GwPbk7

 Just in case: if you are going to buy such a monitor, make sure your
 video adapter is capable of driving that high resolution.
 In many (most?) laptops, the video adapter can not!

 I hope this would be helpful to somebody.
 If somebody knows any information about different models/brands, - that
 would be appreciated.

 Igor


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Re: Inexpensive large monitors for pixel peepers

[Zos Xavius]

They all look identical. My guess is that they are just rebranded much
like samyang lenses.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for posting this. I'm looking at getting another monitor soon actually!

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 Every so often some PDMLer mentions that he/she is looking for a
 monitor. I just realized that nobody ever mentioned this new type of
 monitors that look like a good deal.
 They are ultra-high resolution (2560x1440 !), 27 with the
 panel made by Samsung. The monitor itself is manifactured by
 some other company (I see mostly QNIX, X-Star, and don't know the
 difference).
 They are PLS which is, as far as I understand is a variation of IPS.
 And the typical price is around $300 or so, including shipping.

 The main caveat that they are mainly available from eBay
 (or, which very likely, I am not aware of other sources), and
 _shipped from South Korea_,  which means if you get a lemon, it will
 cost you to return it.
 I've heard about a few people who bought such a monitor and are happy.
 http://goo.gl/GwPbk7

 Just in case: if you are going to buy such a monitor, make sure your
 video adapter is capable of driving that high resolution.
 In many (most?) laptops, the video adapter can not!

 I hope this would be helpful to somebody.
 If somebody knows any information about different models/brands, - that
 would be appreciated.

 Igor


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Re: Inexpensive large monitors for pixel peepers

[Larry Colen]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 04:25:50PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 
 Every so often some PDMLer mentions that he/she is looking for a
 monitor. I just realized that nobody ever mentioned this new type of
 monitors that look like a good deal.
 They are ultra-high resolution (2560x1440 !), 27 with the
 panel made by Samsung. The monitor itself is manifactured by 
 some other company (I see mostly QNIX, X-Star, and don't know the
 difference).
 They are PLS which is, as far as I understand is a variation of IPS.
 And the typical price is around $300 or so, including shipping.
 
 The main caveat that they are mainly available from eBay
 (or, which very likely, I am not aware of other sources), and
 _shipped from South Korea_,  which means if you get a lemon, it will 
 cost you to return it.
 I've heard about a few people who bought such a monitor and are happy.
 http://goo.gl/GwPbk7

I think these monitors came up in discussion  when I was asking about 
third party thunderbolt monitors.

 
 Just in case: if you are going to buy such a monitor, make sure your
 video adapter is capable of driving that high resolution.
 In many (most?) laptops, the video adapter can not!

Can you drive it at a lower resolution?  Or is it not like CRTs in that regard.

It looks like my 2012 MBP should handle it:
Graphics and Video Support

Intel HD Graphics 4000
Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native 
resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external 
display, both at millions of colors


 
 I hope this would be helpful to somebody.

It's very helpful, unless I were trying to, you know, pay off my 
credit cards or something.

 If somebody knows any information about different models/brands, - that
 would be appreciated.
 
 Igor
 
 
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Re: Inexpensive large monitors for pixel peepers

[John]

I've seen mixed reviews indicating the panels are sometimes factory
seconds that didn't pass Samsung's quality testing for their own use.

On 12/12/2013 4:25 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:



Every so often some PDMLer mentions that he/she is looking for a
monitor. I just realized that nobody ever mentioned this new type of
monitors that look like a good deal.
They are ultra-high resolution (2560x1440 !), 27 with the
panel made by Samsung. The monitor itself is manifactured by
some other company (I see mostly QNIX, X-Star, and don't know the
difference).
They are PLS which is, as far as I understand is a variation of IPS.
And the typical price is around $300 or so, including shipping.

The main caveat that they are mainly available from eBay
(or, which very likely, I am not aware of other sources), and
_shipped from South Korea_,  which means if you get a lemon, it will
cost you to return it.
I've heard about a few people who bought such a monitor and are happy.
http://goo.gl/GwPbk7

Just in case: if you are going to buy such a monitor, make sure your
video adapter is capable of driving that high resolution.
In many (most?) laptops, the video adapter can not!

I hope this would be helpful to somebody.
If somebody knows any information about different models/brands, - that
would be appreciated.

Igor




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OT - Inexpensive Korean 27 LCD monitors

[Igor Roshchin]

Hi All:

A friend of mine has been telling me about these korean-made monitors
(they are PLS which I was told is Samsung's version of IPS?)
that are based on Samsung's panels.
One can find them on e-bay, and 27 ones start from ~$280 or so.

I've heard of people who are very happy with them.

Most of those monitors are branded (made by?) X-star or Qnix.
There are some variations in the models (and prices).

Does anybody here know the differences or knows any sort of forum/review where
differenet models of these monitors are compared?

Igor


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Re: OT - Inexpensive Korean 27 LCD monitors

[steve harley]

on 2013-08-20 15:09 Igor Roshchin wrote

A friend of mine has been telling me about these korean-made monitors
(they are PLS which I was told is Samsung's version of IPS?)
that are based on Samsung's panels.
[...]
Does anybody here know the differences or knows any sort of forum/review where
differenet models of these monitors are compared?


i do not know about PLS, but i was curious too and found a good analysis not 
too long ago; here are some quick finds that may have the same info, a bit 
dated though:


http://techreport.com/review/23291/those-27-inch-ips-displays-from-korea-are-for-real

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/the-ips-lcd-revolution.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display

i was curious about the units from Monoprice, but i learned that some eBay 
vendors (including Qnix) use the same panels; they are apparently IPS panels 
which are not top-grade, so in essence seconds from the runs of panels made for 
Apple and other quality display vendors; they may have color or illumination 
irregularities, and the dead-pixel guarantees (and overall warranty terms) 
vary; they also tend to be in cheap enclosures and have limited controls and 
input options (you may need an expensive dual-link DVI adapter)


all-in-all you may get a great one, or not; i'd hate to have to send one back 
to Korea under warranty




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Re: OT - Inexpensive Korean 27 LCD monitors

[John]

When my monitor for this computer died a week ago, I ended up buying an
AOC E2752Vh 27 LED monitor - about $250 + tax. It's Active Matrix TFT
instead of IPS/PLS. But it's a really bright, solid monitor.

I've got to make time to run calibration on it.

As usual with the way my life goes, *this week* it's on sale for $199.

I'm still looking for some place to repair my old monitor. Since I'm
pretty certain the problem is the inverter circuit, I'm pretty sure it
*CAN* be repaired.

If so, I'll keep it around as a spare. If not, I'll keep it around until 
I figure out how to fix it myself.


On 8/20/2013 5:42 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-08-20 15:09 Igor Roshchin wrote

A friend of mine has been telling me about these korean-made monitors
(they are PLS which I was told is Samsung's version of IPS?)
that are based on Samsung's panels.
[...]
Does anybody here know the differences or knows any sort of
forum/review where
differenet models of these monitors are compared?


i do not know about PLS, but i was curious too and found a good
analysis not too long ago; here are some quick finds that may have the
same info, a bit dated though:

http://techreport.com/review/23291/those-27-inch-ips-displays-from-korea-are-for-real


http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/the-ips-lcd-revolution.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display


i was curious about the units from Monoprice, but i learned that some
eBay vendors (including Qnix) use the same panels; they are apparently
IPS panels which are not top-grade, so in essence seconds from the runs
of panels made for Apple and other quality display vendors; they may
have color or illumination irregularities, and the dead-pixel guarantees
(and overall warranty terms) vary; they also tend to be in cheap
enclosures and have limited controls and input options (you may need an
expensive dual-link DVI adapter)

all-in-all you may get a great one, or not; i'd hate to have to send one
back to Korea under warranty





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OT - One of the best monitors also makes phone calls

[Matthew Hunt]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6334/iphone-5-screen-performance

Wrapping up, the iPhone 5 display is a whole quantum leap better than
the display on the iPhone 4.  Contrast levels and light output have
both been increased, and color performance is astonishing.  The full
sRGB gamut is present here, and color errors are remarkably low for a
even a high end desktop display.  While many were hoping for a move to
OLED or some other screen innovation, this really is a huge step up
that is very easy to quantify.  To put this in perspective, in the
past few years I've reviewed probably 30-40 different displays, from
PC monitors, to TVs to projectors.  Not a single one, out of the box,
can put up the Gretag Macbeth dE numbers that the iPhone can, and
perhaps one projector (which listed for $20,000) can approach the
grayscale and color accuracy out of the box.

Now they just need to scale it up to 27 and sell it to me for $500,
and I'll be happy.

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Re: OT - One of the best monitors also makes phone calls

[Steven Desjardins]

You can get a 15 inch version with a MacBook Pro.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 http://www.anandtech.com/show/6334/iphone-5-screen-performance

 Wrapping up, the iPhone 5 display is a whole quantum leap better than
 the display on the iPhone 4.  Contrast levels and light output have
 both been increased, and color performance is astonishing.  The full
 sRGB gamut is present here, and color errors are remarkably low for a
 even a high end desktop display.  While many were hoping for a move to
 OLED or some other screen innovation, this really is a huge step up
 that is very easy to quantify.  To put this in perspective, in the
 past few years I've reviewed probably 30-40 different displays, from
 PC monitors, to TVs to projectors.  Not a single one, out of the box,
 can put up the Gretag Macbeth dE numbers that the iPhone can, and
 perhaps one projector (which listed for $20,000) can approach the
 grayscale and color accuracy out of the box.

 Now they just need to scale it up to 27 and sell it to me for $500,
 and I'll be happy.

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RE: monitors

[Tanya Love]

Me too, I use two Dell U2410s (landscape oriented), one is calibrated for
photo editing, the other just for general work, and I luurv them...

No way would I ever go back to using only one monitor or a monitor of lesser
quality after using these babies for 6 months.

Tan.x.

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I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that it is
great. Not cheap, however.
There are newer models around, with better performance.

Gasha

Tim Bray wrote:
 Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
 http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab
 -9447-73dacb301b84
 
 Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they 
 really are.  And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.
 
  -T
 

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Re: monitors

[Gonz]

Yeah, the Dell 2410 is the one I've been eyeing.   I don't want to pay
$1K for a monitor, that seems to be the going rate for the NECs.  $599
seems more reasonable.  For 1K, I might as well get a 27 or 30 inch
model.

Samsung has 24 inch models that are around 300$, but they are 1080
pixels instead of 1200, so that must have some impact at that size.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 I am very happy with Dell 2410.
 It has a reasonable quality/price ratio.

 Igor

 Gonz wrote:

You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
much of a difference?



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IPS Monitors

[Doug Franklin]

Howdy, folks,

Several people have been asking around about photo quality LCD monitors. 
 I just got an ad flyer from PCMall (brother of MacMall) offering the 
HP ZR24w 1920 x 1200 S-IPS LCD monitors for US$399.99.  Thought some of 
you might be interested:


http://www.pcmall.com/p/product~dpno~8086055~pdp.gbbaghb

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Re: IPS Monitors

[Gonz]

Wow, that is a good price.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:
 Howdy, folks,

 Several people have been asking around about photo quality LCD monitors.  I
 just got an ad flyer from PCMall (brother of MacMall) offering the HP
 ZR24w 1920 x 1200 S-IPS LCD monitors for US$399.99.  Thought some of you
 might be interested:

 http://www.pcmall.com/p/product~dpno~8086055~pdp.gbbaghb

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Re: monitors

[Gasha]

I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that 
it is great. Not cheap, however.

There are newer models around, with better performance.

Gasha

Tim Bray wrote:

Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84

Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
really are.  And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.

 -T



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Re: monitors

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-12-01 0:33, Boris Liberman wrote:

I have pretty old Philips Brilliance 200W monitor (I think it is 20
and somewhat wide) that has like 16 ms response time. I still find it
most excellent for photo processing. If they were for sale now, I'd
sure recommend you buy it.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Gonzrgonzoma...@gmail.com  wrote:

You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
much of a difference?


Response time makes /no/ difference for uses like photo editing.  It can 
sometimes make a difference when viewing videos.  It can make a big 
difference if you play computer games.


Take a look at TVs of the same size, too.  I've found that the TVs can 
have better color gamut and brightness than the computer monitors of the 
same size.


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Re: monitors

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-12-01 0:33, Tim Bray wrote:

Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84

Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
really are.  And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.


I haven't vetted the information personally, but the following page 
claims to be a comprehensive list of IPS-based LCD monitors:


http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

The HP ZR series replaced the series containing my photo monitor (HP 
LP2475w) with better prices.  I've been very pleased with the 2475w, but 
I haven't personally tried the ZR series yet.


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Re: monitors

[Boris Liberman]

On 12/1/2010 3:23 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

Response time makes /no/ difference for uses like photo editing. It can
sometimes make a difference when viewing videos. It can make a big
difference if you play computer games.

Take a look at TVs of the same size, too. I've found that the TVs can
have better color gamut and brightness than the computer monitors of the
same size.



Doug, I am perfectly aware of these considerations that you mentioned. 
Mind you, I made very conscious choice of the monitor and I am happy 
ever since I chose it.


Boris

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Re: monitors

[Otis Wright]

I've been running  two Dell ultrasharp models  on my computers for some 
years now.  Currently running two 2209s.  Have had good luck with the 
Dell units.   Will probably add two 24-inch units next year and 
upgrading system to 4 displays.   Any one care to share experience with 
more the two displays on their system?


Otis Wright

On 12/1/2010 7:40 AM, Gasha wrote:


I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that 
it is great. Not cheap, however.

There are newer models around, with better performance.

Gasha

Tim Bray wrote:

Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84 



Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
really are.  And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.

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Re: monitors

[Igor Roshchin]

I am very happy with Dell 2410.
It has a reasonable quality/price ratio.

Igor

Gonz wrote:

You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
much of a difference?



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monitors

[Gonz]

You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
much of a difference?



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Re: monitors

[Mark Roberts]

Gonz wrote:

You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
much of a difference?

For photo editing, response time makes no difference whatsoever. (For
watching video or playing games it's important.)


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Re: monitors

[Matthew Montgomery]

On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Gonz wrote:

 You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
 of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
 for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
 very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
 was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
 much of a difference?

Here is a pretty good review site.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

I have actually been eyeing the NEC PA241W which also comes in a version that 
is bundled with the SpectraViewII calibrator.

http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=ddb066be-36e2-4093-a4d6-00251d50dd2c

I dearly love my current Sun Microsystems 24 inch LCD but more for sentimental 
reasons than it being a great panel for photo editing.

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Re: monitors

[Boris Liberman]

I have pretty old Philips Brilliance 200W monitor (I think it is 20
and somewhat wide) that has like 16 ms response time. I still find it
most excellent for photo processing. If they were for sale now, I'd
sure recommend you buy it.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Gonz rgonzoma...@gmail.com wrote:
 You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
 of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
 for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
 very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
 was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
 much of a difference?



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Re: monitors

[Tim Bray]

Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84

Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
really are.  And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.

 -T

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Matthew Montgomery
matt...@electricjunk.com wrote:

 On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Gonz wrote:

 You guys have any experiences good or bad with any particular brands
 of 24 LCD monitors?  I'm looking for a good 24 (or larger) monitor
 for photo-editing.  I looked at Dell's website and found one for a
 very good price, but a couple of comments really made it sound like it
 was a bad choice.  Does 5ms response time (vs 3ms) really make that
 much of a difference?

 Here is a pretty good review site.

 http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

 I have actually been eyeing the NEC PA241W which also comes in a version that 
 is bundled with the SpectraViewII calibrator.

 http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=ddb066be-36e2-4093-a4d6-00251d50dd2c

 I dearly love my current Sun Microsystems 24 inch LCD but more for 
 sentimental reasons than it being a great panel for photo editing.

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IPS LCD Monitors

[Doug Franklin]

Howdy, folks,

If any of you are in the market for LCD monitors to use in editing 
photos, it looks like HP has added a number of models with S-IPS panels, 
some at very reasonable prices.  In particular, the ZR22w model is 21.5 
diagonal with 1920 x 1080 resolution.  It's MSRP is about US$270, but 
it's on sale at pcmall.com (and probably macmall.com) for US$ 200 right 
now.  They also have the ZR24w (24, 1920 x 1200) that appears to 
replace the LP2475w that I have, at a better price.  MRSP of about 
US$500, on sale now at pcmall.com for US$ 350.  They also have the ZR30w 
(30, 2560 x 1600) for about US$ 1250.  I haven't used any of these new 
models but I've been /very/ pleased with the LP2475w for the last couple 
of years.


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Re: Monitors

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:14 PM, William Robb wrote:

 Any recommendations?

 A couple of the pro boys I know went from CRTs to Eizo ColorEdge  
 monitors
 and are quite happy.

The EIZO monitors are very nice but very pricey. It's hard to go  
wrong with an Apple Cinema Display 23 at half the price, presuming  
you have a video card that supports it.

Godfrey


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RE: Monitors

[Antti-Pekka Virjonen]

I am very happy with my 2 year old Eizo 20.1.

Antti-Pekka



Antti-Pekka Virjonen

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Fiskarsinkatu 7 D
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Puh. +358 20 7908 300
GSM +358 500 789 753
Telefax +358 20 7908 319

Y-tunnus 1974184-5
Kotipaikka Helsinki

www.computec.fi
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:11 AM
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 Subject: Re: Monitors
 
 On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:14 PM, William Robb wrote:
 
  Any recommendations?
 
  A couple of the pro boys I know went from CRTs to Eizo ColorEdge
  monitors
  and are quite happy.
 
 The EIZO monitors are very nice but very pricey. It's hard to go
 wrong with an Apple Cinema Display 23 at half the price, presuming
 you have a video card that supports it.
 
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OT: Monitors

[John Sessoms]

From:
David Savage
 G'day All

 So last night I'm reading the PDML, surfing the web  trying to get my
 repaired PC back up to date, when all of a sudden my CRT main monitor
 makes a sound  flickers like it's decided it needs to degauss. When
 the screen comes back to life I've got these very pretty, but
 seriously useless, polarized glass rainbow colours  nothing else.

 Bugger I say.

 While I like LCD's for their space saving size (my secondary display
 is an LCD) I still prefer CRT's for their ability to render decent
 blacks.

 The computer god's haven't been smiling on me this year. Now the
 search for a replacement begins.

 ^*(@#^*()@#*(

 Any recommendations?
Do y'all have Tiger Direct down under? I got my most recent CRT from them.

Good price too - $40 for a refurbished IBM P260.

That replaced a refurbished P200 that lasted about 5 years (continuous 
use - I never turn them off).


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OT: Monitors

[David Savage]

G'day All

So last night I'm reading the PDML, surfing the web  trying to get my
repaired PC back up to date, when all of a sudden my CRT main monitor
makes a sound  flickers like it's decided it needs to degauss. When
the screen comes back to life I've got these very pretty, but
seriously useless, polarized glass rainbow colours  nothing else.

Bugger I say.

While I like LCD's for their space saving size (my secondary display
is an LCD) I still prefer CRT's for their ability to render decent
blacks.

The computer god's haven't been smiling on me this year. Now the
search for a replacement begins.

^*(@#^*()@#*(

Any recommendations?

Cheers,

Dave (I needed to vent) Savage

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Re: Monitors

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage
Subject: OT: Monitors



 Any recommendations?

A couple of the pro boys I know went from CRTs to Eizo ColorEdge monitors 
and are quite happy.

William Robb 


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Monitors - (was RE: Cheap Monitor)

[Anand DHUPKAR]

Speaking of monitors - I have a question - I am
thinking of changing my existing 17 HP monitor. 
Actually, I am planning to change my complete
computer.  I, however, am thinking this time I won't
buy the 'readily available' kit at all these
electronics shops.  I want to buy a good quality
monitor.  

Which is the real good one ?
What is the criteria ?
To what extent CRT and LCD matters ?

My use - well, lot of photography (amateur, of course)
and obviously my family members will use it for their
regular browsing on net etc etc ...

Thanks in advance.

Anand

--- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Make sure you buy something NEW - not used.
 I have been absolutely delighted with these 
 DELL P991s CRTs I got off ebay. They are super
 trinitions
 19 (18 viewable). They can be found on ebay
 at very reasonable prices now...
 jco
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:31 PM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: OT: Cheap Monitor
 
 
 I have a HP Pavilion, with a 17 quite decent
 monitor (actually I am not
 sure 
 it's a 15, but not quite sure how to measure it).
 Only I've had both for 
 about, hmmm, four years. I've been told/read the HP
 monitors are actually 
 Trinitron.
 
 I've been quite happy with the monitor. Only now the
 horizontal hold is 
 going. Actually, not sure what it is called. It's
 not exactly vertical hold,
 but 
 sometimes boxes coming up on the screen (dialog box
 type of things), the
 right 
 side of the box it is not always straight. It curves
 in and out a bit. I
 keep 
 adjusting the horizontal stretch part of my monitor
 and that straightens it
 up 
 for a bit.
 
 But it means it is going to get worse. No point in
 having it fixed, since 
 some monitors are really cheap now. Only I was
 looking on the Net and LCDs
 are 
 selling better. 
 
 Personally, for extended use, not just doing
 photography, but programming, 
 using word processing/spread sheets, I prefer a CRT.
 It seems much easier on
 my 
 eyes. LCDs, to my eyes, don't have enough depth.
 
 And a lot of LCDs are expensive. The ones that may
 be easier on the eyes
 are, 
 anyway.
 
 This CRT at Circuit City seems okay.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Monitor-MX705-/sem/rpsm/oid/126673/catOid/
 -1
 2965/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
 
 But I also want to get something decent for
 processing digital photographs. 
 It would probably be fine, because my current HP
 monitor is fine. And I use
 my 
 monitor for a lot more than processing photographs,
 photography probably
 works 
 out to only 10-20% of my use. Or less.
 
 Just wondering if anyone has that particular model,
 or has some other 
 recommendation. 
 
 Also looks like if I want a CRT I better move quick,
 because they seem to be
 
 disappearing.
 
 Marnie aka Doe 
 
 
 





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Re: Monitors - (was RE: Cheap Monitor)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If you can, stop by an Apple Retail Store and check out the 20  
Cinema Display. It's fully compatible with both Windows and Mac OS  
systems, standard DVI connection, and the quality is superb. They  
sell for less than a CRT of comparable quality ($799 retail list in  
the US), and have better gamut and resolution than all but the high  
end CRTs costing $1000 or more. They're also much more stable on  
adjustments.


Comparable monitors from Sharp and Sony are also available.

Godfrey

On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Anand DHUPKAR wrote:


Speaking of monitors - I have a question - I am
thinking of changing my existing 17 HP monitor.
Actually, I am planning to change my complete
computer.  I, however, am thinking this time I won't
buy the 'readily available' kit at all these
electronics shops.  I want to buy a good quality
monitor.

Which is the real good one ?
What is the criteria ?
To what extent CRT and LCD matters ?

My use - well, lot of photography (amateur, of course)
and obviously my family members will use it for their
regular browsing on net etc etc ...

Thanks in advance.

Anand

--- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Make sure you buy something NEW - not used.
I have been absolutely delighted with these
DELL P991s CRTs I got off ebay. They are super
trinitions
19 (18 viewable). They can be found on ebay
at very reasonable prices now...
jco

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:31 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: OT: Cheap Monitor


I have a HP Pavilion, with a 17 quite decent
monitor (actually I am not
sure
it's a 15, but not quite sure how to measure it).
Only I've had both for
about, hmmm, four years. I've been told/read the HP
monitors are actually
Trinitron.

I've been quite happy with the monitor. Only now the
horizontal hold is
going. Actually, not sure what it is called. It's
not exactly vertical hold,
but
sometimes boxes coming up on the screen (dialog box
type of things), the
right
side of the box it is not always straight. It curves
in and out a bit. I
keep
adjusting the horizontal stretch part of my monitor
and that straightens it
up
for a bit.

But it means it is going to get worse. No point in
having it fixed, since
some monitors are really cheap now. Only I was
looking on the Net and LCDs
are
selling better.

Personally, for extended use, not just doing
photography, but programming,
using word processing/spread sheets, I prefer a CRT.
It seems much easier on
my
eyes. LCDs, to my eyes, don't have enough depth.

And a lot of LCDs are expensive. The ones that may
be easier on the eyes
are,
anyway.

This CRT at Circuit City seems okay.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Monitor-MX705-/sem/rpsm/oid/ 
126673/catOid/

-1
2965/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

But I also want to get something decent for
processing digital photographs.
It would probably be fine, because my current HP
monitor is fine. And I use
my
monitor for a lot more than processing photographs,
photography probably
works
out to only 10-20% of my use. Or less.

Just wondering if anyone has that particular model,
or has some other
recommendation.

Also looks like if I want a CRT I better move quick,
because they seem to be

disappearing.

Marnie aka Doe









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Re: Monitors - (was RE: Cheap Monitor)

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Nov 2005 at 12:11, Anand DHUPKAR wrote:

 Which is the real good one ?

:-)

http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=347

If I were in the market for a monitor this would be it however I've very happy 
with its older sibling the Diamond Pro 2070SB.

 What is the criteria ?
 To what extent CRT and LCD matters ?

Most current quality monitors will be OK for image editing and general browsing 
however there will of course be those who suggest that one or the other is 
markedly better, but really it boils down to your needs, budget and physical 
constraints.

No argument LCD/TFT are power efficient and occupy less volume (and desk space) 
than a CRT of equivalent size, so if these factors are important then consider 
seriously a flat panel display.

If you have the desk-space you can still probably buy a better monitor for 
photo editing in CRT than flat panel but again many will disagree.

 My use - well, lot of photography (amateur, of course)
 and obviously my family members will use it for their
 regular browsing on net etc etc ...

I have recent top end flat panel and CRT monitors and I find that for web 
browsing, spread-sheet work and word processing I prefer the flat panels but 
even with all the monitors well calibrated I still far prefer the CRT view for 
extended and precise photo image editing.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
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Re: Monitors - (was RE: Cheap Monitor)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 11/19/2005 4:56:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have recent top end flat panel and CRT monitors and I find that for web 
browsing, spread-sheet work and word processing I prefer the flat panels but 
even with all the monitors well calibrated I still far prefer the CRT view 
for 
extended and precise photo image editing.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
=
Good link. They have cheaper Necs there as well.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Gang ...

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions.  It turns out that whatever the
problem is, it's in the monitor itself.  I swapped the monitor from my old
machine (which is essentially the same monitor except it doesn't have a
flat screen) and it works great.  The monitor now needs to be calibrated,
and that'll take a few days until I get the calibration gear back. 
Meanwhile, Adobe Gamma will have to do.  

Now there's time to look around for a better monitor ...


Shel 

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Steve Larson]

Hi Shel, if its not the cable connection or the video card, it could be a 
loose solder joint.
Most likely its the flyback transformer going bad. A loose solder joint is 
easy, if you can
find it. But be careful there are voltages in there that will knock you on 
the floor. Take the back
off and look at all the solder joints with a high power magnifying glass and 
look for tiny
cracks. Is the yellow cast there when its first turned on, or after it warms 
up?


Steve

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:28 AM
Subject: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired



My monitor is producing a yellow cast.  Any ideas what may be causing that
(cat hair in the box,  loose wire, major cosmic upheaval).  Can monitors 
be

repaired?  Is it worthwhile?  Is there something I can check?


Shel

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Rob Studdert]

On 26 Jul 2005 at 5:46, Steve Larson wrote:

 Hi Shel, if its not the cable connection or the video card, it could be a 
 loose solder joint.
 Most likely its the flyback transformer going bad. A loose solder joint is 
 easy,
 if you can find it. But be careful there are voltages in there that will knock
 you on the floor. Take the back off and look at all the solder joints with a
 high power magnifying glass and look for tiny cracks. Is the yellow cast there
 when its first turned on, or after it warms up?

I wouldn't advise anyone without suitable qualifications to go poking around in 
the back of any CRT based equipment even after it's been turned off, the 
voltages there can lay you out on the floor permanently.

Often if a cable or connection on one or more colour channels goes bad they 
will become intermittent and there will be permanent or sporadic loss of the 
entire colour. Components gradually failing and falling out of spec may lead to 
colour casts but probably wouldn't be apparent on visual inspection though 
burnt/charred circuit boards or electrolytic capacitors with shrunken labels 
can be an indicator. Best leave it to an expert though.


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Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Cotty]

On 26/7/05, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

I wouldn't advise anyone without suitable qualifications to go poking
around in 
the back of any CRT based equipment even after it's been turned off, the 
voltages there can lay you out on the floor permanently.

Agreed. I have had occasion to work on the old CRT iMacs before, but
wouldn't go in there without my father (a retired electronics engineer)
showing me exactly how to make sure the tube was discharged first.






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OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Shel Belinkoff]

My monitor is producing a yellow cast.  Any ideas what may be causing that
(cat hair in the box,  loose wire, major cosmic upheaval).  Can monitors be
repaired?  Is it worthwhile?  Is there something I can check?


Shel 

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[P. J. Alling]

Could be as simple as a connection problem.  Depending on your monitor 
it may be repairable but
now you can pick up a 19 Trinatron CRT for about $100.00.  Unless the 
monitor is something very

special it's probably cheaper to replace it.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


My monitor is producing a yellow cast.  Any ideas what may be causing that
(cat hair in the box,  loose wire, major cosmic upheaval).  Can monitors be
repaired?  Is it worthwhile?  Is there something I can check?


Shel 




 




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Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Paul Sorenson]

Agreed - better to replace than repair.  Before you do that, though, if 
you have access to another monitor, substitute it to make sure the 
monitor is the problem and not the video card.


-P

P. J. Alling wrote:
Could be as simple as a connection problem.  Depending on your monitor 
it may be repairable but
now you can pick up a 19 Trinatron CRT for about $100.00.  Unless the 
monitor is something very

special it's probably cheaper to replace it.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

My monitor is producing a yellow cast.  Any ideas what may be causing 
that
(cat hair in the box,  loose wire, major cosmic upheaval).  Can 
monitors be

repaired?  Is it worthwhile?  Is there something I can check?


Shel


 

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:28 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
My monitor is producing a yellow cast.  Any ideas what may be  
causing that
(cat hair in the box,  loose wire, major cosmic upheaval).  Can  
monitors be

repaired?  Is it worthwhile?  Is there something I can check?


They can often be repaired, and often inexpensively.

But with new monitors being pretty competitively priced, you might  
want to consider just replacing it. A good, modern 17 to 20  
flatscreen will outperform most CRTs under $1000, takes up less desk  
space, uses less power, is easier on the eyes, and proves to be more  
stable on calibration too. Even the Apple Cinema Display 20, one of  
the best monitors in the class, is just $799 retail list and you can  
often get a discount off that price. (The Apple display is fully  
compatible with both Mac OS and Windows systems, but you might need  
to replace your display adapter card for a DVI compatible model.)


Godfrey

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Steve Jolly]

Paul Sorenson wrote:
Agreed - better to replace than repair.  Before you do that, though, if 
you have access to another monitor, substitute it to make sure the 
monitor is the problem and not the video card.


It could also be the cable connecting them...

S

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Powell Hargrave]

How old is it?  More than 3 years definitely replace if it is a monitor
problem.
Powell

My monitor is producing a yellow cast.  Any ideas what may be causing that
(cat hair in the box,  loose wire, major cosmic upheaval).  Can monitors be
repaired?  Is it worthwhile?  Is there something I can check?


Shel 

Re: OT - Can Monitors Be Repaired

[Shel Belinkoff]

Cable?  What cable?  The one from the video card to the monitor?  It would
seem that's the easiest place to start troubleshooting.  I'm going to try
that now.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu

 Shell, if a color is missing (i.e. you can't see red/green/blue) it's
 probabilly the cable. It's a very common malfunction, and an easy to
 fix one.
 Usually anything but the catode ray tube itself can be fixed.

Re: LCD monitors?

[Frantisek]

GD Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here.
GD ;-)
Funny. You believe word from Apple that the displays they have made
for them are the best? That's not very objective...

I agree that the latest high-end LCDs are great, though who has the money for
them. Midrange LCDs, not. I would take Eizo over apple anytime,
thanks. They are actually producing their stuff. And they include
calibration software and hardware with it. And it's the choice in
design and graphics. Along with Barco, Sony Artisans and similar. And
Eizo have just made an LCD with full AdobeRGB gamut (a CRT with
AdobeRGB was by somebody else earlier, so CRTs were more advanced).
Though at the price, I will pass...

Good light!
   fra

Re: LCD monitors?

[Paul Stenquist]

You can use the Apple Cinema Display on any PC with the correct  video 
card.

On Mar 6, 2005, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development
lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have
more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best
CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses
the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that
surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those
produced by Apple are at least to those standards.
Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here.
;-)
Godfrey
=
Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe.
Marnie aka Doe

Re: LCD monitors?

[Herb Chong]

DP-2070SB. it shows up refurbished sometimes on PC Connection for around 
$900. you probably won't find it except mail-order. to get compable quality 
from a LCD at the same size, you will need to pay 2-3 times more.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: LCD monitors?


Which one? I tried looking for a 19 Mitsubishi CRT today and all I could
find was NEC ones that got awful ratings from users.

Re: LCD monitors?

[Mishka]

apple 23 is the same as sony 23. and both are platform (mac/pc) agnostic.

best,
mishka

 Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe.
 
 Marnie aka Doe
 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

--- David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors)
are
  easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie.
 
 Only the new ones - the previous models used ADC connectors. 
 Just in  case everyone was rushing off to eBay :)

Older models required an interface adapter and power supply,
that's all.

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Re: LCD monitors?

[John Francis]

Ah.  I've been looking at that Sony.

Mishka mused:
 
 apple 23 is the same as sony 23. and both are platform (mac/pc) agnostic.
 
 best,
 mishka
 
  Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe.
  
  Marnie aka Doe
  
 
 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Kenneth Waller]

Marnie, I took one of Geo's first weeklong classroom digital workshops back in 
early 02, and was impressed with the completeness and professional level of the 
class. He has since expanded and now offers a variety of digital classroom 
workshops. 

I especially appreciated the hands on aspect that allowed me to try the 
equipment he was using from the Nikon 
Cool Scan, several of the top line Epson printers and the Optical Spyder. Got 
to print anything we wanted on any of his printer using any of the Epson papers 
available
His session are not cheap but I feel well worth the money.

Geo is really in the forefront of digital outdoor photography.

Kenneth Waller


-Original Message-
Well, at the George Lepp workshop I went to today, he said LCDs have finally 
evolved to the point that they are quite good for photography. The newest 
ones. I was a bit surprised. George Lepp writes for Outdoor Photographer, and 
what 
I didn't know, is that he also has a school in California that teaches 
Photoshop, printing, and other digitally related things. He's quite up with 
digital (as anyone who reads his column knows).

But I am not convinced. (It's still a matter of calibration vs. profiles if 
nothing else.)

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RE: LCD monitors?

[Jon Paul Schelter \(R* Toronto\)]

One thing to watch out for is that there do exist (new) LCD monitors
that don't actually display 24 bits per colour, but rather 16..
obviously, that would be *bad* for editing photos.  I think that a
number of these are fast displays (~16ms refresh) better suited to
gaming and movie watching than to doing photo work. 

You'll definitely find better deals on good quality CRTs than on good
quality LCDs.  

LaCie is one of the most famous companies for quality displays, but
Apple's displays make me drool.  I don't think you can go wrong with
those, otherwise, be very careful about your purchase.

luck.

-Original Message-
From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:43 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: LCD monitors?

It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an 
LCD. Obviously I am concerned about viewing and editing photos 
 on an LCD monitor. Do any of you have an LCD monitor that you 
can recommend for photography? Most hardware review sites 
don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and other 
such concerns.

Thanks in advance,
Amita

Re: LCD monitors?

[Bob W]

Hi,

Sunday, March 6, 2005, 12:42:35 AM, Amita wrote:

 It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously
 I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. Do any
 of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most
 hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and
 other such concerns.

I have a Dell Precision M50 laptop, which was pitched at the
professional CAD market. It has a 15, 1600x1200 resolution, 64Mb
Quadro 4 500 GoGL something. I don't know what it means, but it's very
good and perfectly suitable for my purposes. It's not a separate
screen, but there are sure to be better ones available separately
nowadays - this is about 3 years old.

Undoubtedly you could get a CRT which is better suited to photography,
but the top end professional monitors are really expensive, and large,
and that level of investment really means you need properly equipped,
standardised viewing conditions otherwise you're wasting a lot of your
money.

Bear in mind that you can't actually calibrate an LCD. That is, you
can't really change the screen settings to match a standard. Instead
you have to profile it, which means you record the settings it has and
your software maps your photos onto the screen's profile.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: LCD monitors?

[Paul Stenquist]

Hmmm. You haven't been in too many studios lately, have you? At Acme 
Photo, where they do a lot of Detroit's car photography, they have a 
whole bank of 30-inch Apple Cinema Displays that are used for RAW 
conversions and retouching. And a number of other pros I've talked to 
have been singing the praises of that giant screen.
Paul
On Mar 5, 2005, at 11:07 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them. Niether do 
I.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 6. marts 2005 01:43
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: LCD monitors?
It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. 
Obviously
I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. Do 
any
of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most
hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color 
fidelity and
other such concerns.

Thanks in advance,
Amita

Re: LCD monitors?

[Rob Studdert]

On 6 Mar 2005 at 9:50, Bob W wrote:
 
 Bear in mind that you can't actually calibrate an LCD. That is, you
 can't really change the screen settings to match a standard. Instead
 you have to profile it, which means you record the settings it has and
 your software maps your photos onto the screen's profile.

Regardless of the profiling the gamma varies from the top to the bottom of the 
screen on any current LCD/TFT, my 19 (Mitsubishi) and 15 (Dell) TFT are both 
fine in the middle but dodgy at the top and bottom. My 22 CRT however is great 
across the whole screen.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: LCD monitors?

[Rob Studdert]

On 6 Mar 2005 at 7:08, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Hmmm. You haven't been in too many studios lately, have you? At Acme 
 Photo, where they do a lot of Detroit's car photography, they have a 
 whole bank of 30-inch Apple Cinema Displays that are used for RAW 
 conversions and retouching. And a number of other pros I've talked to 
 have been singing the praises of that giant screen.

So what is their technical departments criterion for monitor selection, 
reduction in heat load, savings in desk space, ease of system integration or 
image quality?

There is nothing to indicate in your example that the monitors have been 
selected simply due to advantages in image quality. 

I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, I chose 
CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast range were my 
primary criterion.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: LCD monitors?

[Jaume Lahuerta]

I asked a similar question about 3 moths ago (my 17''
CRT burned). The responses that I got weren't
encouraging regarding LCD's and photo editing, so I
finally ended up buyimg a Samsung 17'' CRT for 1/3 the
cost of a 17'' LCD and I am quite happy. However, I
hope that technology evolves so that my next one can
be a LCD with good color fidelity...

Regards,
Jaume

--- Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like
 to get an LCD. Obviously
 I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on
 an LCD monitor. Do any
 of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend
 for photography? Most
 hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned
 with color fidelity and
 other such concerns.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Amita
 
 
 




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Re: LCD monitors?

[Paul Stenquist]

I agree that the best CRT monitors can still deliver better image 
quality than the best TFT monitors, but it comes at a price. I was 
merely responding to a message claiming that all photography 
professionals use CRT monitors. It just isn't the case. I think one 
factor that has driven many photographers to the Apple Cinema Display 
in particular is ease of system integration. It's basically plug and 
play on a Macintosh. And the image quality is quite adequate for all 
conversion and retouching tasks.
Paul
On Mar 6, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 6 Mar 2005 at 7:08, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Hmmm. You haven't been in too many studios lately, have you? At Acme
Photo, where they do a lot of Detroit's car photography, they have a
whole bank of 30-inch Apple Cinema Displays that are used for RAW
conversions and retouching. And a number of other pros I've talked to
have been singing the praises of that giant screen.
So what is their technical departments criterion for monitor selection,
reduction in heat load, savings in desk space, ease of system 
integration or
image quality?

There is nothing to indicate in your example that the monitors have 
been
selected simply due to advantages in image quality.

I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, 
I chose
CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast 
range were my
primary criterion.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: LCD monitors?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/6/2005 4:11:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Regardless of the profiling the gamma varies from the top to the bottom of 
the 
screen on any current LCD/TFT, my 19 (Mitsubishi) and 15 (Dell) TFT are 
both 
fine in the middle but dodgy at the top and bottom. My 22 CRT however is 
great 
across the whole screen.


Rob Studdert
=
I must be one of the few that doesn't like LCDs. Admittedly, I haven't seen a 
great one, and the main one I see is the one on my laptop. But to me they 
lack depth. And I don't like they way they are off color or have a shine or 
whatever you want to call it, if they are tipped a certain way. So I can't see 
how they could be color consistent across the screen.

Since you can't calibrate an LCD, it seems to me if you buy a screen 
specifically for doing photography work, right now, it should be a CRT. IMHO. 
Not 
that I know THAT much about it. But not all *new* technology is great just 
because it is new. Or not technology is suited to all purposes.

Marnie aka Doe   Being ignorant has never stopped me from having an opinion. 
:-)

Re: LCD monitors?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Jaume Lahuerta
Subject: Re: LCD monitors?


I asked a similar question about 3 moths ago (my 17''
CRT burned). The responses that I got weren't
encouraging regarding LCD's and photo editing, so I
finally ended up buyimg a Samsung 17'' CRT for 1/3 the
cost of a 17'' LCD and I am quite happy. However, I
hope that technology evolves so that my next one can
be a LCD with good color fidelity...

And dot pitch.
My CRT is a .20 dot pitch, my LCT is something like .28
I don't think it is a matter of the technology evolving, so much as
coming down to a price the common man can afford for something 
usable.
I paid almost a thousand dollars for my 17 LCD, compared to about
400 for my 17 CRT.

William Robb

Re: LCD monitors?

[Paul Stenquist]

The La Cie 22-inch CRT has a dot pitch of .24, ditto the Mitsubishi 
Diamond Pro and the $5000 Mitsubishi Diamondtron. The LCD Apple Cinema 
Display is .258. Not a significant difference.
On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:57 AM, William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta
Subject: Re: LCD monitors?

I asked a similar question about 3 moths ago (my 17''
CRT burned). The responses that I got weren't
encouraging regarding LCD's and photo editing, so I
finally ended up buyimg a Samsung 17'' CRT for 1/3 the
cost of a 17'' LCD and I am quite happy. However, I
hope that technology evolves so that my next one can
be a LCD with good color fidelity...

And dot pitch.
My CRT is a .20 dot pitch, my LCT is something like .28
I don't think it is a matter of the technology evolving, so much as
coming down to a price the common man can afford for something usable.
I paid almost a thousand dollars for my 17 LCD, compared to about
400 for my 17 CRT.
William Robb

RE: LCD monitors?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

No longer the case, Jens. 

Godfrey

--- Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them.
 Niether do I.
 





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Re: LCD monitors?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: LCD monitors?


The La Cie 22-inch CRT has a dot pitch of .24, ditto the Mitsubishi 
Diamond Pro and the $5000 Mitsubishi Diamondtron. The LCD Apple 
Cinema Display is .258. Not a significant difference.
Reread the part about the price evolving into something that can be 
afforded by the common man.

William Robb 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Herb Chong]

it's not a coincidence that you and i ended up with the same monitor.
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: LCD monitors?


I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of TFT or CRT, I 
chose
CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and contrast range 
were my
primary criterion.

Re: LCD monitors?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:51:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No longer the case, Jens. 

Godfrey

--- Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 LCD monitors are too contrasty. Photopro's don't use them.
 Niether do I.
 
==
Well, at the George Lepp workshop I went to today, he said LCDs have finally 
evolved to the point that they are quite good for photography. The newest 
ones. I was a bit surprised. George Lepp writes for Outdoor Photographer, and 
what 
I didn't know, is that he also has a school in California that teaches 
Photoshop, printing, and other digitally related things. He's quite up with 
digital (as anyone who reads his column knows).

But I am not convinced. (It's still a matter of calibration vs. profiles if 
nothing else.)

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, at the George Lepp workshop I went to today, he said
 LCDs have finally evolved to the point that they are quite
 good for photography. ...
 
 But I am not convinced. (It's still a matter of calibration
 vs. profiles if nothing else.)

The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development
lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have
more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best
CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses
the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that
surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those
produced by Apple are at least to those standards. 

Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here.
;-)

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RE: LCD monitors?

[Amita Guha]

Which one? I tried looking for a 19 Mitsubishi CRT today and all I could
find was NEC ones that got awful ratings from users.

 -Original Message-
 From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:41 PM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: LCD monitors?
 
 
 it's not a coincidence that you and i ended up with the same monitor.
 
 Herb
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:26 AM
 Subject: Re: LCD monitors?
 
 
  I recently had to replace my monitor and had the option of 
 TFT or CRT, 
  I
  chose
  CRT as image quality and specifically gamma accuracy and 
 contrast range 
  were my
  primary criterion.
 
 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development
lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have
more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best
CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which uses
the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels that
surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those
produced by Apple are at least to those standards. 

Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations here.
;-)

Godfrey
=
Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are
easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie. The panels they use are
also in several of the better LCDs sold under other names too
(LG, Siemens, and Sharp make them). 

Godfrey

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 3/6/2005 7:39:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The guys on the ColorSync team and in the hardware development
 lab at Apple all agree that the latest flat panel display have
 more gamut and more adjustability than all but the very best
 CRTs. The Apple Cinema Display 20 (and the iMac 20 which
 uses
 the same display panel) is in the generation of flat panels
 that
 surpassed CRTs on the test bench. Everything later than those
 produced by Apple are at least to those standards. 
 
 Frankly, I'll take their word for it over any ruminations
 here.
 ;-)
 
 Godfrey
 =
 Okay, but that's Apple/Mac. Hehehehe.
 
 Marnie aka Doe 
 
 

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Re: LCD monitors?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:05:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are
easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie. The panels they use are
also in several of the better LCDs sold under other names too
(LG, Siemens, and Sharp make them). 

Godfrey
===
Okay, I stand corrected. I am TOTALLY ignorant. 

(I still like the sense of depth on a CRT. Call me weird as well as ignorant.)

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: LCD monitors?

[Cotty]

On 7/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

Okay, I stand corrected. I am TOTALLY ignorant. 

Surely not?

;-)




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Re: LCD monitors?

[David Mann]

On Mar 7, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
The Cinema Display 20 (and various other Apple monitors) are
easily usable with a PC as well, Marnie.
Only the new ones - the previous models used ADC connectors.  Just in 
case everyone was rushing off to eBay :)

I have my eye on the 23 HD model.  Figuratively, that is... my eyes 
are currently looking at a couple of CRTs.

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

LCD monitors?

[Amita Guha]

It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously
I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. Do any
of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most
hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and
other such concerns.

Thanks in advance,
Amita

Re: LCD monitors?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Amita Guha
Subject: LCD monitors?


It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. 
Obviously
I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. 
Do any
of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? 
Most
hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color 
fidelity and
other such concerns.
FWIW, my CRT monitor is better than my LCD for image editing.
My CRT is a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF, my LCD is a Samsung Syncmaster 
192n, both decent monitors, hooked up to an Invidia GeForce FX 5700 
video card.

William Robb

Re: LCD monitors?

[Mishka]

I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old 19
Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any
scientific
comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color
fidelity is just fine,
and contrast is quite good.

The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell
(hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or individual,
lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost.

Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as FP2001.

Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card
($140 or so)

Best,
Mishka


On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. Obviously
 I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. Do any
 of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most
 hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity and
 other such concerns.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Amita
 

Re: LCD monitors?

[pnstenquist]

The Apple Cinema Displays are superb for editing photos.  The very best CRTs 
are probably a bit better, but the top LCDs are very good as well.
Paul


 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Amita Guha
 Subject: LCD monitors?
 
 
  It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD. 
  Obviously
  I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. 
  Do any
  of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? 
  Most
  hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color 
  fidelity and
  other such concerns.
 
 FWIW, my CRT monitor is better than my LCD for image editing.
 My CRT is a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF, my LCD is a Samsung Syncmaster 
 192n, both decent monitors, hooked up to an Invidia GeForce FX 5700 
 video card.
 
 William Robb
 
 

RE: LCD monitors?

[Isaac]

You can get even cheaper pricing from Dell if you are a student. They have
the istDS for 899.95 before discount and I must say it tempts me. It's the
one that is packaged with the zoom lens. Is that a good price or would I get
it even cheaper from someone like BH?

-Original Message-
From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:41 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: LCD monitors?

I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old
19
Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any
scientific
comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color
fidelity is just fine,
and contrast is quite good.

The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell
(hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or
individual,
lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost.

Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as
FP2001.

Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card
($140 or so)

Best,
Mishka


On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD.
Obviously
 I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. Do any
 of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most
 hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity
and
 other such concerns.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Amita
 

Re: LCD monitors?

[Jon M]

I have a Sony SDM-S73 (around $290 from newegg, last i
checked) and I'm quite happy with it overall...
haven't really done any real comparisons to see how it
is, but I don't miss my old CRT a bit. 


--- Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like
 to get an LCD. Obviously
 I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on
 an LCD monitor. Do any
 of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend
 for photography? Most
 hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned
 with color fidelity and
 other such concerns.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Amita
 
 
 




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Re: LCD monitors?

[Peter J. Alling]

Dealing with Dell can be problematic.  The are great at taking orders 
and delivering product, God help you if you have a problem that's not in 
their handbook.

Not for less but BH Photo has the *ist-Ds for the same price.
*http://tinyurl.com/4rzh9
So does Adorama. [www.adorama.com].  Dell doesn't seem to be giving you 
much of a discount.
*
Isaac wrote:

You can get even cheaper pricing from Dell if you are a student. They have
the istDS for 899.95 before discount and I must say it tempts me. It's the
one that is packaged with the zoom lens. Is that a good price or would I get
it even cheaper from someone like BH?
-Original Message-
From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:41 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: LCD monitors?

I have just (two days ago) got a pair of 20 Dell FP2001 instead of my old
19
Viewsonic CRT. The new flat panels are *very* nice. I haven't done any
scientific
comparisons, but I couldn't be happier with quality. The color
fidelity is just fine,
and contrast is quite good.
The best part was that they are about ~$500 a piece from Dell
(hint: you need to go to their small business store, not home or
individual,
lest you will to pay $750) -- that's what many 19 flat panels cost.
Their 24 FPW2405 should be even nicer, but it costs twice as much as
FP2001.
Oh, and to drive the dual setup you need something like Matrox P650 card
($140 or so)
Best,
Mishka
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:42:35 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

It's time for me to buy a new monitor, and I'd like to get an LCD.
   

Obviously
 

I am concerned about viewing and editing photos  on an LCD monitor. Do any
of you have an LCD monitor that you can recommend for photography? Most
hardware review sites don't seem to be too concerned with color fidelity
   

and
 

other such concerns.
Thanks in advance,
Amita
   



 


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