Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
the top. I stated my opinoin in that specific issue. No more, no less. Back to harmless lurkin again. Tim Mostly harmless. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-24 Thread Minelli Flavio
-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo Ok, but I think the quality or lack thereof is independent of performance optimization at any paricular focussing distance, and since this is a portrait type lens, it probably is focus optimized at a closer distance than inifinity

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-24 Thread David Savage
Nice. I have heaps of shots of these things: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP3380.jpg http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP3363.jpg (that sugary syrup tastes really nice) http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP3354.jpg And this should impress Mark, this one

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-24 Thread Christian
J. C. O'Connell wrote: I apologize, MARK! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-24 Thread P. J. Alling
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:50 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo Ok, but I think the quality or lack thereof is independent of performance optimization at any paricular focussing distance

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-24 Thread Thibouille
Thibouille, I'm not sure what you started, or what might be going on. Remember, I completely filter at least one boob from my email universe entirely so that it remains peaceful here. Noise like that isn't worth expending any thought on. Well.. as usual :'( Yeah I will end doing the same.

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Thibouille
Mmm I find the bokeh to be quite OK: not bad but not good either. But this lens seems very sharp otherwise. Mmm I wonder if digital vs film has a big influence over bokeh. I'd like to see a comparison like this. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,

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2007-04-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Mmm I find the bokeh to be quite OK: not bad but not good either. But this lens seems very sharp otherwise. Mmm I wonder if digital vs film has a big influence over bokeh. I'd like to see a comparison

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
?? The M85/2 has excellent rendering properties. I only sold mine because I wanted the shorter focal length and full functionality of the shorter FA77. The bokeh of any lens is very sensitive to what has been done to render the image, not to the capture medium. Clumsy image processing

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Mmm I find the bokeh to be quite OK: not bad but not good either. But this lens seems very sharp otherwise. Mmm I wonder if digital vs film

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
of the formed lens image. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh ?? The M85/2 has excellent rendering properties. I

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Mmm I find the bokeh to be quite OK: not bad but not good either. But this lens seems very sharp otherwise. Mmm I wonder if digital vs

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Scott Loveless
-- Original message -- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Secondly, this WR guy's posts, really show he is completely clueless. His deductions make no sense because he either doesnt understand or never noticed how unsharp mask works or he doesnt read

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Tom C
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:58:25 -0400 Secondly, this WR guy's posts, really show he is completely clueless. His deductions make no sense because he either doesnt understand or never noticed how unsharp mask works or he

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Mat Maessen
On 4/23/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, this WR guy's posts, really show he is completely clueless. His deductions make no sense because he either doesnt understand or never noticed how unsharp mask works Maybe so. But his pictures look better than yours. -Mat --

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Yup, you have got this guy WR down to a tee. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:25 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh egomania irrational self-centered attitude

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Thibouille
Well if I wondered it is because I did not know ;) Never had any time to play to see if medium had any influence. I do not usually state things just because I think they are. Reason for me being ignorant. On another POV: s**t, what did I start ? :( -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Looks like I'm going to need tighter filtering, but, as long as I saw this ... JCO, the thread has moved from your specific comment through the general rendering of the 85mm lens bokeh to some general comments about bokeh. It's no longer about YOUR specific comments. Threads and discussions on

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:52 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh On 4/23/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, this WR guy's posts, really show he is completely clueless. His deductions make no sense because he either doesnt understand

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Tom C
Do you mean this ISN'T the PJCODML (Pummel JCO Discuss Mailing List) ? Pardon me. Which door was it? Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:33 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Looks like I'm going to need tighter filtering, but, as long as I saw this ... JCO, the thread has

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Tom C
else's wrong. And even if someone else was wrong, so what? Tom C. From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:01:09 -0400

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Kenneth Waller
So what is the word for compulsive baiting ? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh egomania irrational self-centered attitude or self-worship enissomaniainability to prevent onself from attacking

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Thibouille wrote: Well if I wondered it is because I did not know ;) Never had any time to play to see if medium had any influence. I do not usually state things just because I think they are. Reason for me being ignorant. On another POV: s**t, what did I start

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Tom C
I wasn't baiting. I frankly couldn't care less how/if he responds. Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:15:38 -0400 So what

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
are not the one being repeatedly subjected to it. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:20 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh I'm curious if this is the only place you feel persecuted

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Scott Loveless
J. C. O'Connell wrote: HUH? Mark! -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Tom C
@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:16:21 -0400 HUH? If someone else is WRONG when they imply I must not know what the hell I am doing to defend their WRONG contention, they are going to get a reply to set he record

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-23 Thread Bob Rapp
I agree, the Boketh is ordinary. But no one commented on the shot. Actually quite good. It looks like an Australian bottle brush flower. I am sure it is not native to Florida. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:16:21 -0400 HUH? If someone else is WRONG when they imply I must not know what the hell I am doing to defend their WRONG contention, they are going to get a reply to set he

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh

2007-04-23 Thread Tom C
No problem. Tom C. From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:44:08 -0400 I apologize, it was someone else telling me to let it slide

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
together so you could see/notice that in the second photo easier. I. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rapp Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo I

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-23 Thread Bob Rapp
- From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo If you look at the first bokeh test photo I posted shot at F2.0 from yesterday ,you will see the bokeh

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-23 Thread David Savage
On 4/24/07, Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like an Australian bottle brush flower. I am sure it is not native to Florida. That's a bottle brush alright. Here's one I took that's in the garden: http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP3390.jpg The native birds love them.

RE: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-23 Thread J. C. O'Connell
it physically a VERY small optical/mechanical design. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rapp Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo I had seen them both. I think

Re: More 85mm f2.0 smc-M bokeh - the photo

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
Here's one I shot at Huntington Gardens in Pasadena, California: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5887044size=lg On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:37 PM, David Savage wrote: On 4/24/07, Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like an Australian bottle brush flower. I am sure it is not