Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-09 Thread Jos from Holland
hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:43 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field Jos from Holland wrote: Exactly! Thats why

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-09 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow, Flickr really does have a pool for everything. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-09 Thread Doug Brewer
David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow, Flickr really does have a pool for everything. LOL Here's my

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-09 Thread JC OConnell
...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jos from Holland Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:50 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field Not correct, if bad eyesight leads to a percieved COC

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-09 Thread Luiz Felipe
...only the pink... but we were discussing rocks, not abstracts - er, heavy rather than progressive. :-) LF Joseph McAllister escreveu: Floyd On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:48 , Luiz Felipe wrote: Well, I don't like them that much - all those masks, fireworks... Make mine Led Zep. Godfrey

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/8 Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu David Savage wrote: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3406984942_4162539cb9_b.jpg I'm the one in red on the left with the radio shutter release in hand :-) Casual Friday in Australia, huh? Every day is casual in .au. (Too hot most of the time

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
2009/4/8 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On Apr 7, 2009, at 06:32 , David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread David Savage
Hehehe She's going to get such a kick out of that when I tell her. DS 2009/4/8 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br: You may say that, but there are at least 4 using said picture as desktop background so far... permission granted and everything else. Did I say lately how I love this

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Luiz Felipe Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:55 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field Hard as it is to remain serious in this thread, I'll try. :-) Magnification

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:32:47AM -0300, Luiz Felipe wrote: You're actually saying if one zoom out (reduce the magnification of the subject) and crop back to the desired composition the DOF will be increased, right? So the pic taken with the zoom at 35mm will present greater DOF than the

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread JC OConnell
...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:08PM -0400, JC OConnell wrote: The COC thing is simply how you MEASURE perceived

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/09, Luiz Felipe, discombobulated, unleashed: ...glad to read the two of you agreeing. Now David, may I use that photo of yours as desktop background for a while? I tried to laugh quietly but my co-workers perceived the tears in my eyes and I had to show them the thread. They also would

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Jos from Holland
Exactly! Thats why people with poor eyesight are lucky: they have a larger COC and get more DOF for free! Matthew Hunt wrote: And that's what determines depth of field: The appearance of sharpness. Every derivation of DOF begins with that criterion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread JC OConnell
: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:51 , Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:08PM -0400, JC OConnell wrote: The COC thing is simply how you MEASURE perceived depth of field, no matter what COC or print size you choose, it I see. So if I don't care

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Derby Chang
Jos from Holland wrote: Exactly! Thats why people with poor eyesight are lucky: they have a larger COC MARK! -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread JC OConnell
resolution for depth of field Jos from Holland wrote: Exactly! Thats why people with poor eyesight are lucky: they have a larger COC MARK! -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Joseph McAllister
Problems On Apr 7, 2009, at 06:17 , JC OConnell wrote: I don't agree with that terminology, it's his not mine. Primary non-scientific statement indicating prejudicial thought. DOF is relative sharpness Another indication of slurred thought from one who espouses pointillist

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-08 Thread Luiz Felipe
...still without words... hehehehehehehehehehehehehe David Savage escreveu: 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow, Flickr

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Bob W
of an image after you shoot it. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:03 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Trading resolution for depth of field Instead of making an unsupported assertion why don't you provide a formula for calculating depth of field? Then we will all be able to test your assertion. I have provided a formula

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: You can't argue with the numbers. OR A BRICK WALL. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
You're actually saying if one zoom out (reduce the magnification of the subject) and crop back to the desired composition the DOF will be increased, right? So the pic taken with the zoom at 35mm will present greater DOF than the one taken at 70mm, after you enlarge both to the same subject

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
of an image after you shoot it. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
No point in hurling insults. JCO is right in respect to the ability of a lens to resolve. Bob is correct in regard to viewing a print that's hanging on a wall. On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: You can't

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
YES - right. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Luiz Felipe Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field You're actually

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
: Trading resolution for depth of field On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:32:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote: So, if I'm willing to trade resolution for depth of field, am I better off using a wider angle lens and cropping (my intuition says yes), or do I get the same benefit by just combining pixels

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:36 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field No point in hurling insults. JCO is right in respect to the ability of a lens to resolve. Bob is correct

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is a simple issue. Bob is speaking of perceived depth of filed on a viewed print. JCO is speaking of critical depth of field in respect to the ability of a given lens to resolve detail. Both are correct, but each is discussing an entirely

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field This is a simple issue. Bob is speaking

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is a simple issue. Bob is speaking of perceived depth of filed on a viewed print. JCO is speaking of critical depth of field in respect to the ability of a given lens to resolve detail

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No point in hurling insults. JCO is right in respect to the ability of a lens to resolve. Bob is correct in regard to viewing a print that's hanging on a wall. What criterion do you use to define the ability of a

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
NOT. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field This is a simple

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hunt Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: No point in hurling insults. JCO

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: THEORETICAL CRAP? Screw you, this is REAL WORLD BASIC photograhpy techniques. I would think that any photographer needs to know how to control DOF. You cant just go take pictures without some basic knowledge of what controls

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
Whatever floats your boat sweetie. 2009/4/7 JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net: Screw you -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I dont agree with that terminology, it's his not mine. DOF is relative sharpness of foreground and background objects in an image compared to the objects in the plane of focus. ( just my working terminology FWIW). So, if a

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can bang my head with all the numbers and theories you want, until I go do it over and over, I'm not going to get it.  Some people like the theory behind things, and that's fine, too.  But we can't forget what the underlying theory is

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
...there IS a light at the end... LF Doug Brewer escreveu: David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow,

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:21 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM, JC

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
2009/4/7 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow, Flickr really does have

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hunt Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:27 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JC OConnell hifis

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field 2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can bang my head with all the numbers and theories you want, until I go do it over

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field 2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can bang my head

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: you are trying to define some sort of absolute DOF which really doesnt exist unless you consider a certain COC as perfect. Actually, I'm claiming the opposite. That any definition depends on assumptions of the acceptable

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hunt The entire thread and original post was all about the relative DOF ( how to increase or decrease DOF in an image relative to ANY reference DOF ).

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Im NOT the guy who was demanding formulae. As far as fstop goes, yes most people know that stopping down increases DOF and opening up decreases it, but the only other factor that affects DOF, in-camera image magnification,

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field- IMAGE MAGNIFICATION

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
For the sake of clarity, I neglected to post the definition of in-camera image magnification (M). in-camera image magnification is the ratio of object size to image size. Longer lenses and shorter object distances increase magnification, shorter lenses and longer distances decrease magnification.

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field 2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
resolution for depth of field 2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can bang my head with all the numbers and theories you want, until I go do it over and over, I'm not going to get it.  Some people like the theory behind things, and that's fine, too.  But we can't forget

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
Oh I informed the model of your request this was her reply: OH MAN I take that as a f*king compliment!! You've helped brighten someone's day. :-) Cheers, Dave 2009/4/7 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br: ...glad to read the two of you agreeing. Now David, may I use that photo of

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Doug Brewer
David Savage wrote: I remotly controlled it too. The Jedi mind trick is an amazing thing. DS yes, it often helps you see the light at the end of the tunnel... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
...it is... (with all respect, please...) David, you can't possibly imagine the kind of laughter around here on the account of select excerpts the thread AND the photo. Thanks for your (and her) kind permission. :-) LF David Savage escreveu: Oh I informed the model of your request this

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:28:28PM +0800, David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can bang my head with all the numbers and theories you want, until I go do it over and over, I'm not going to get it.  Some people like the theory behind things, and

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
2009/4/7 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:28:28PM +0800, David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: But you can bang my head with all the numbers and theories you want, until I go do it over and over, I'm not going to get it.  Some people

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread John Francis
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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

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Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3406984942_4162539cb9_b.jpg I'm the one in red on the left with the radio shutter release in hand :-) Casual Friday in Australia, huh? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread David Savage
2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow, Flickr really does have a pool for everything. LOL Here's my latest boring photo:

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:00 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Trading resolution for depth of field The entire thread and original post was all about the relative DOF ( how to increase

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Adam Maas
At least it's not Godders and I this time ;-) -Adam On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On 7/4/09, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Let it go. Mark Mark ! Just 'Mark', Mark. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
. Print size doesnt affect that. JC O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hunt Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field On Apr 7, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Cotty wrote: On 7/4/09, Luiz Felipe, discombobulated, unleashed: ...glad to read

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Bob W
Sir, MY burden of proof is no greater than yours. If you cant provide any reliable proof that my contention is not true, then your word is no better than mine. You haven't supplied us with anything that is falsifiable. All you've given us is unsupported assertions. I dont need any

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I think Joe's asleep. I know I am. G On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Adam Maas wrote: At least it's not Godders and I this time ;-) -Adam On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: B

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Bob W
How do you calculate your depth of sleep? I think Joe's asleep. I know I am. G On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Adam Maas wrote: At least it's not Godders and I this time ;-) -Adam On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Adam Maas
It's entirely dependent on how many weeks into the semester I am. -Adam On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: How do you calculate your depth of sleep? I think Joe's asleep. I know I am. G On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Adam Maas wrote: At least it's not

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
, April 07, 2009 3:41 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Trading resolution for depth of field Sir, MY burden of proof is no greater than yours. If you cant provide any reliable proof that my contention is not true, then your word is no better than mine. You haven't supplied us

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field ...there IS a light at the end... ...its the headlight of the oncoming locomotive. LF Doug Brewer escreveu

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
...@gate.net -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field Problems On Apr 7, 2009, at 06:17 , JC

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread JC OConnell
List Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field Others, wiser than we, have already discussed this to conclusions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_confusion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_Field Unless the changes made yesterday evening to the DoF listing were mischievous

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
Circle of drool in the morning On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:49 , Bob W wrote: How do you calculate your depth of sleep? I think Joe's asleep. I know I am. G On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Adam Maas wrote: At least it's not Godders and I this time ;-) -Adam On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM,

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
The capitalization percentage is rising, folks. You may wish to step back a bit On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:53 , JC OConnell wrote: I already stated you can choose ANY reference you want ( a particular COC for example) it doesnt matter, if you want to increase or decrease DOF, regardless of

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field - Wait!

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
I think I've got it! The Depth of Field is anything in an image that is not Bokeh! On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:05 , Joseph McAllister wrote: The capitalization percentage is rising, folks. You may wish to step back a bit On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:53 , JC OConnell wrote: I already stated you

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 7, 2009, at 06:32 , David Savage wrote: 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I have added quite a few to the technically competent, but mediocre, pool myself. Wow, Flickr really does have a pool for

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Ken Waller
A true flasher ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field 2009/4/7 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:14 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Smaller prints dont have more DOF, they're just harder to see clearly! And that's what determines depth of field: The appearance of sharpness. Every derivation of DOF begins with that criterion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It is very simple. Want more? use big opening. Want less? use little opening. Done. KISS rocks. ]'-) G On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bob W wrote: How do you calculate your depth of sleep? I think Joe's asleep. I know I am. G On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Adam Maas wrote: At least it's

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:25:04AM -0700, Joseph McAllister wrote: Here's my latest boring photo: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/3420399349_fc22fbab94_o.jpg :-) Wow! Nice photo Dave. Good composition, color. I like the way you've balanced the small orange rock in the upper

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 7, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Cotty wrote: On 7/4/09, Luiz Felipe, discombobulated, unleashed: ...glad to read the two of you agreeing. Now David, may I use that photo of yours as desktop background for a while? I tried to laugh quietly but my co-workers perceived the tears in my eyes and I

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
My apologies to the young lady. I had not seen enough points of interest to make a determination. On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:31 , Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:25:04AM -0700, Joseph McAllister wrote: Here's my latest boring photo:

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/09, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Let it go. Mark -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:08PM -0400, JC OConnell wrote: The COC thing is simply how you MEASURE perceived depth of field, no matter what COC or print size you choose, it I see. So if I don't care whether something is out of focus as long as it looks like it is in focus, then I can use the

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
Bzzz

RE: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Bob W
The entire thread and original post was all about the relative DOF ( how to increase or decrease DOF in an image relative to ANY reference DOF ). But your claims regarding relative DOF are only valid if the image format (film size, crop factor, whatever you want to call it) is constant.

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field - Wait!

2009-04-07 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: The Depth of Field is anything in an image that is not Bokeh! But the question is, how much is there? Not much, or bokehtloads? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
...now you broke my heart... Ken Waller escreveu: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br Subject: Re: Trading resolution for depth of field ...there IS a light at the end... ...its the headlight

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Want more? use big opening. Want less? use little opening. Done. Godfrey, please. A little more decorum. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
You may say that, but there are at least 4 using said picture as desktop background so far... permission granted and everything else. Did I say lately how I love this list??? LF Joseph McAllister escreveu: My apologies to the young lady. I had not seen enough points of interest to make a

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Luiz Felipe
Well, I don't like them that much - all those masks, fireworks... Make mine Led Zep. Godfrey DiGiorgi escreveu: It is very simple. snip KISS rocks. ]'-) G -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:51 , Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:41:08PM -0400, JC OConnell wrote: The COC thing is simply how you MEASURE perceived depth of field, no matter what COC or print size you choose, it I see. So if I don't care whether something is out of focus as long as

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field - Wait!

2009-04-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 01:07:35PM -0700, Joseph McAllister wrote: I think I've got it! The Depth of Field is anything in an image that is not Bokeh! Now *this* is a Speckable quote. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 01:11:02PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It is very simple. Want more? use big opening. Want less? use little opening. Done. KISS rocks. ]'-) Yeah, but you seem to be KISSing the wrong end. A smaller opening gives more depth of field, that's why a pinhole camera

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 7, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Cotty wrote: On 7/4/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Want more? use big opening. Want less? use little opening. Done. Godfrey, please. A little more decorum. What have you done with Cotty? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 7, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 01:11:02PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It is very simple. Want more? use big opening. Want less? use little opening. Done. KISS rocks. ]'-) Yeah, but you seem to be KISSing the wrong end. A smaller opening gives

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote: We were speaking of depth of sleep. Depth of field is the reverse. I don't really have anything to say, I just wanted to be the 100th poster on this thread. I don't think I've ever done that before on this list or anywhere

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field - Wait!

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
If there's a lot, then not much... It's a formula. On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:33 , Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: The Depth of Field is anything in an image that is not Bokeh! But the question is, how much is there? Not much,

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph McAllister
Floyd On Apr 7, 2009, at 13:48 , Luiz Felipe wrote: Well, I don't like them that much - all those masks, fireworks... Make mine Led Zep. Godfrey DiGiorgi escreveu: It is very simple. snip KISS rocks. ]'-) G -- Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/09, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't really have anything to say, I just wanted to be the 100th poster on this thread. Well slap my ass and call me Sally. I want this on a T shirt if it skills me. MARK. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places,

Re: Trading resolution for depth of field

2009-04-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 7/4/09, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't really have anything to say, I just wanted to be the 100th poster on this thread. Well slap my ass and call me Sally. I want this on a T shirt if it skills me. MARK.

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