Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread sb
Ben, Garys, list, seems i took some things down the wrong pipe (see my post to Gary). There is not much in what you say that I'd disagree with. But there is still the truth-problem, but maybe this is just a problem of labeling. For me truth has no little errorbars, but i'm apodictic here

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Beyond the Correspondence Theory of Truth

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: HP:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14168 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14169 HP:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14177 JLRC:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14179

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-09-26 Thread Gary Fuhrman
On to the third section of NP Chapter 3: Here we come to the intension (depth), i.e. the definition, of the dicisign — first in the definition of “proposition” (from “Kaina Stoicheia”) as “a sign which separately, or independently, indicates its object.” Separately from what? From the rest

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Stefan Would it not be an act aiming toward truth and beauty to stop using the word pragmatism entirely when seeking to articulate CP's thought and instead say pragmaticism even if in doing so one has to explain why? *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:52

[PEIRCE-L] RE: Kaina Stoicheia

2014-09-26 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Jon, I do see the point of your posting these links to earlier discussions of Kaina Stoicheia. That history is worth looking at, though not urgently so. What I don't see the point of is your posting an excerpt from it without any commentary. Unless you're saying that the link leads to the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread sb
Stephen, in germany we have a saying I am not more papal than the pope. There are times of loose thinking/speaking and there are times of strict thinking/speaking. When the setting is right people will understand you even if use the wrong words. Best Stefan Am 26.09.14 13:24, schrieb

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Beyond the Correspondence Theory of Truth

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: HP:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14168 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14169 HP:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14177 JLRC:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14179

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6971] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Stefan, all, Thanks for this note of clarification which really does help distinguish the several varieties of constructivism (the three types you outlined) as well as why your initial response was so strong ( [imagine some opining that ] pragmatism is the american merchants philosophy which is

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Stefan, all, I think that there's much to be said for your suggestion of our jettisoning 'truth' and replacing it with 'knowledge', at least in science. There are, I believe, strong hints of this notion in Peirce as well, for example, here: When our logic shall have paid its *devoirs* to

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Beauty and truth are teleological terms and valuable as objectives that continuity heads toward and fallibility clouds. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote: Stefan, all, I think that there's much to be

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Beyond the Correspondence Theory of Truth

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Previous: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14340 To continue ... Fortran in those days was totally stone knives and bear skins when it came to graphical or even symbol string (they called it hollerith) processing. That plus trying to get a monolithic mainframe to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-26 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, I've also noticed a difficulty of finding usefulness for the formal cause in physics, though I came at it from other directions, simpler ones for me since I'm not a physicist, but also I'd like to add a clarification of the idea of formal causation. A thing's form is its formal

Re: [biosemiotics:7008] RE: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-09-26 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F., lists, This is a very helpful outline of this section, Gary, which, along with the next, 3.4, seems to me to be at the heart of this chapter, perhaps even at the heart of NP itself. I've nothing to add or emend to what you've written, and so I'll move immediately to your now twice asked

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
Thank you, Stephen, for you answer and your invitation, sorry for the delay. I hope to come to NY some time more or less soon. I am not sure now, if my attempt of reducing the categories to (time, space, continuum) is ok. I have often followed a path, and later realized, that it was misleading.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350