Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 27

2021-08-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, list 1] Your definition of 'tribalism' - which is unique to you, means, as far as I can understand it, that tribalism refers to a perspective that is held by a number of people. What you are misunderstanding is that this perspective might be valid, logical, rational.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 27

2021-08-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, list Thanks for the quotations. My view of De Tienne is that he is an idealist, separating Mind and Matter. Each has their own 'scientific method' so to speak, but I've no idea how they

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 27

2021-08-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
to distinguish himself from the platonic tribe, and start his own tribe?Best, Helmut 18. August 2021 um 19:27 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: List The problem that I have with this slide of De Tienne, is that it seems to be operating within a Platonic ideal

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 27

2021-08-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List The problem that I have with this slide of De Tienne, is that it seems to be operating within a Platonic idealism, where a pre-existent Form 'exists' [as that form/format/ without matter] and is then articulated within existential material reality. That's not Peirce's

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics.(Part A)

2021-08-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, Bernard, List "'Phenomenology, which does not depend upon any other positive science, nevertheless must, if it is to be properly grounded, be made to depend upon the Conditional or Hypothetical Science of Pure Mathematics"..."A phenomenology which does not reckon with

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: Tribalism

2021-08-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list I would be against setting up 'Peirce' as a tribe or tribalism. Certainly, many tribes define themselves as having their origins in some mythic and powerful ancestor but the nature of a tribe is its

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Tribalism

2021-08-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:24 AM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [3]> wrote: Gary F, list It is commendable that you have removed Bernard Morand as a tribal member - and are willing to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Tribalism

2021-08-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:24 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary F, list It is commendable that you have removed Bernard Morand as a tribal member - and are willing to engage with him as an individual - but this still leaves the problem of the existence, as you outline, of others " who

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

2021-08-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, list It is commendable that you have removed Bernard Morand as a tribal member - and are willing to engage with him as an individual - but this still leaves the problem of the existence, as you outline, of others " who have demonstrated the tribalistic tendencies ".

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

2021-08-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
of the vincula. In this regard, to 'transition out of mathematics’ infers, from the perception chemical signs, transitioning out of Peirce. Cheers Jerry On Aug 15, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: Jerry, list That's an interesting comparison. So- if the first v

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics.(Part A)

2021-08-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Schmidt [2] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [3] On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 9:35 AM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [4]> wrote: Robert, list And here is the scientific method as outlined by Robert - and, in my view, Peirce. It seems different from that outlined by De Ti

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

2021-08-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List: If I just take this exchange as an example of what I see as a problem with the focus of this List: BM: But I am wholly astonished by the rigorus property you are attaching to definitions or descriptions made by Peirce. He was not God the Father. Surely we have to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics.(Part A)

2021-08-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, list And here is the scientific method as outlined by Robert - and, in my view, Peirce. It seems different from that outlined by De Tienne. And I have several questions about these differences.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

2021-08-13 Thread Edwina Taborsky
athematics. Regards, Jon S. On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:28 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: JAS, list By factual world, I am referring to the sensate world of the particular - and that includes the images in my mind. I don't mean, by factual world, the quantitative alone but include the q

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

2021-08-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 1:37 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Gary F, list This is exactly what some of us have been saying - in our questioning of the isolation by De Tienne of mathematics from the Real World. And asking - if the practice of mathemati

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

2021-08-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, list This is exactly what some of us have been saying - in our questioning of the isolation by De Tienne of mathematics from the Real World. And asking - if the practice of mathematics is so cerebral, so detached from material reality, so isolated - then, what's its

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List, JAS wrote: "Any quotation of any author is removed from its original context, so an argument is needed to demonstrate that a particular quotation is being interpreted and presented in a way that somehow

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ally constructed schemata". This to me seems completely different from pure deduction. I donot undertand what is meant by it. Can you give an example for such a constructed schema? Best, Helmut 11. August 2021 um 19:54 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Bernard, JA

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Bernard, JAS, Gary F, Robert, list: The problem I have with De Tienne's outline of mathematics is the intense focus he gives to its essential irrelevance to we who live in the real world. I don't think it can be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-10 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, List I agree; your post leads me to ask again - what is the point of De Tienne's 'argument' against mathematics? There is no question that we all agree that 'phaneroscopy does not provide

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
pragmaticism is most concerned to insist upon" (CP 5.453, EP 2:354, 1905; emphasis added). Regards, Jon S. On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 9:14 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: JAS, Robert, Gary F, list: The fact that De Tienne changed a Peircean quotation and inserted other words from Peirce [an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, Robert, Gary F, list: The fact that De Tienne changed a Peircean quotation and inserted other words from Peirce [and not His Own Words] doesn't change the FACT that De Tienne changed the meaning of that quotation by

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

2021-08-08 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, List Thank you for this clarification of the role of mathematics. 1] I find that De Tienne's slide 23 is troubling. Note how his five paragraphs, which include an example of a mathematician, seem

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical phaneroscopy (was slow read...

2021-08-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary F, list That's an interesting differentiation; that the world of imagination is in a mode of Firstness and the actual world is in a mode of Secondness. What about the play of..Hamlet; it's in the world of imagination - but, is it in a mode of Firstness? Alice in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Mathematical phaneroscopy (was slow read...

2021-08-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
- we may agree on the majority of what a text means, but it will never be an identical agreement). Jack - From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Edwina Taborsky Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2021 12:50 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical phaneroscopy (was slow read...

2021-08-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List I think that's an interesting question from Gary F - how do we distinguish between the actual and the imagined world. It's not that easy; we know this from the morass of misinformation that we,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Mathematical phaneroscopy (was slow read...

2021-08-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jack, John, list I don't think that objective vs subjective experiences play different roles in mathematical reasoning. If one considers that mathematical reasoning is the development of hypothetical patterns/relations about all that one experiences [both objective

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical phaneroscopy (was slow read...

2021-08-05 Thread Edwina Taborsky
[that] would happen under certain conditions. this anticipatory model enables the falcon to interact with the bird in a successful hunt. The concept of anticipation is an integral component of the relational nature of semiosis. Edwina On Thu 05/08/21 2:46 PM , Edwina Taborsky tabor...@p

[PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jerry, list Thanks - very nice post .Much better description than mine - it's what I was trying to say. Heteropathy..".this transformation of matter into novel forms with semantic attributes UNRELATED to the semantic and quantitative attributes of the elements. "

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list No-one is denying that 'emergence' is only the beginning of a complex study. But, as with any situation in the phaneron, what we observe is, so to speak', 'what we observe' - and we have to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, Helmut, Jon, list I must admit that I'm baffled over the various comments about the use of the term 'emergence'. I am obviously missing some nuance of meaning! All it means in my reference

[PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
-theory, fine structure, vacuum-, or zero-point-energy, et cetera, in order to get disciples, and to sell their paraphernalia, wands, pendulums, purifying crystals, and miracle medicines. I am sure, some of them also use "emergence". Best, Helmut 03. August 2021 um 16:30 Uhr "

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ot completed, that´s why I think, that > the phenomenon emergence is not fully explained. Partly so, because "habit" > is such a word too, I suspect, that should not just be taken for granted, but > itself further investigated. > > Best, > Helmut > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
arise from the primordial muck and ooze of icons and indices -- there's the rub! Triadic Relation Irreducibility says triadic relations are the primordial stuff -- if not there from the first, there is no way they can ever emerge. Cheers, Jon On 8/2/2021 12:10 PM, Edwina Taborsky wro

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
here is no way they can ever emerge. Cheers, Jon On 8/2/2021 12:10 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > Jon - could you explain? I don't see any reductionism when one uses the term 'emergence'. > > You are perhaps associating the term with a mechanical process where a,b,c,d mix up a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Role of Semiotics in Life

2021-08-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
of backhanded reductionism. Cheers, Jon On 8/2/2021 11:55 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > > Here's an interesting abstract of a forthcoming article in > BioSystems journal [coming in October]. > > Scroll down for the abstract. > > Title is: Code Biology and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Notes On Categories

2021-08-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jon, the focus on discrete objects, that mechanical perspective, reduced relations to equally mechanical interactions between A and B. Peirce’s categories switch the focus to the three categories as agential morphological forces. They actually form the object. I like your ‘that which changes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: RE: Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
the nominalistic. They are material, biological- physico-chemical realities. Edwina On Thu 29/07/21 10:45 AM , Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com sent: Edwinia: On Jul 25, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: Yes, of course. I see what you mean. His categories are indeed

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in Diagrams vs Thinking in Words

2021-07-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon, list Hmm. Does this claim, " the difference between people who "think in words about thinking in diagrams" and people who "think in words about thinking in words". 1]..not lead to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, list 1] If I understand your question correctly - is it - our first experience is: the phaneron. This is essentially the qualisign experience of one material entity with its surroundings. I'd

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: RE: Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Thanks, Edwina, for this prompting to think about these matters! One Peace, Terry From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Edwina Taborsky Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 10:27 AM To: h.raul...@gmx.de Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; s...@bestweb.net Subj

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Robert, List 1] What?! Language is fascist?! Does he even know what the term means? Most people who fling out this term have no understanding of its meaning. No, he's ignoring the work of, if I recall, someone

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
oncept of "human" itself conceals a whole nexus of culturally received categories which vary accordingly from group to group (from culture to culture). Best Jack ----- From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Edwina Taborsky Sent: S

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
dynamic diagrams in each Peircean category : https://otterserver.com/logically-consistent-knowledge-graphs/peircean-categories-visualization/Tom Tinsley Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Edwina Taborsky Date: 7/25/21 8:55 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tab

[PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ral is imperfect, so graphs are a good thing I guess. But you can easily translate a complex novel from one language into the other, but try to translate "Finnegan´s Wake", or just "Yankee Doodle came to town" into graphs. At least I have not seen anything like that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list I wonder if diagrammatic thinking is focused more on relations than specific and separate individual units, i.e., verbs and subjects/objects. That is, I long ago noticed that some indigenous

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Thinking in diagrams vs thinking in words

2021-07-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
John, list I agree that diagrams are more fundamental than words, since their attributes are less open to multiple interpretations. That includes both the written and spoken word, with the latter overlaid with meanings provided by tone and rhythm and the former open to many

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Deep Surprises! Was Re:André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 17

2021-07-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jerry, list I'm not sure why you included me in your post, as I am not a chemist - but - I do acknowledge your [and Peirce's] outline of the analogy of chemical valences with the structure of the phaneron. Both deal with 'relations' of matter-to-matter, so to speak,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 17

2021-07-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list I've known Stan Salthe for many years. His email, if I recall, is ssal...@binghampton.edu [1] He writes primarily in the biosemiotics field; strange that 'The Powers' on this list consider that I am, to quote, 'long discredited in the biosemiotics

[PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
y is independent of humans, but if humans were almighty (infinite inquiry, infinite group of inquirers), what they are not, then it would be the result, which it is not. So in reality reality is independent. Best Helmut17. Juni 2021 um 16:34 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
om/JonAlanSchmidt [4] On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 8:12 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: List I think that Auke has brought up a vital analysis of 'what is reality'. JAS provided us with Peirce quotations that asserted that 'what is true' is reality. I have a problem with such a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
s it from semeiotic. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAStructural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christianwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:38 AM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [3]> wrote: A

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 4

2021-06-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
OU BEAUTY AND TERROR JUST KEEP GOING NO FEELING IS FINAL” ― RAINER MARIA RILKE Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:46 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [1]> wrote:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:38 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Auke, list Exactly. Splitting up areas into separate domains might give one the feeling of being-in-control, but the dynamic object of science, namely, reality - ha

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 4

2021-06-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List I think that Cathy's leaving this list, and her critique of it [Cartesian, Platonic] should not be overlooked. Edwina On Wed 16/06/21 10:32 AM , g...@gnusystems.ca sent: Jon AS, list, I’m looking forward to the part of our slow read that delves

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
urther in forthcoming slides of the slow read. Regards, Jon S. On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 12:39 PM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca [1]> wrote: JAS, list 1] JAS wrote, in reply to my first question: "Therefore, the proper interpretation of the results

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
eno.htm [1]). Regards, Jon S. On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 3:48 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: JAS, list 1] I think your statement: "Phaneroscopy examines whatever is or could be present to the mind. Semeiotic studies only signs and semiosis." is confusing.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
of academia, and into real world dialogue. https://youtu.be/GITVPh7GVSE [1] Cathy On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 1:15 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Cathy, list Thank you for the links. I'm aware of both authors, I have, myself, even given conference papers on Bakhtin [one in Moscow, which

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
nAlanSchmidt [2] On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 11:34 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: List I have several comments 1] First, a question to Gary R and John Sowa: What is the functionality of putting an area of study, such as Jappy's work, into 'semeiotic' rather than 'phanerosc

[PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
links to help further explore this topic. Semiotics between Peirce and Bakhtin (semio2014.org) [1] DEED, OTHERNESS AND LOVE IN BAKHTIN AND PEIRCE (iass-ais.org) [2] Cathy T. On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 12:34 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote: List I have several comments 1] First

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Readings about Semeiotic (was Readings about Phaneroscopy)

2021-06-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List I have several comments 1] First, a question to Gary R and John Sowa: What is the functionality of putting an area of study, such as Jappy's work, into 'semeiotic' rather than 'phaneroscopy'? How

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: Re: André De Tienne: Slow Read

2021-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
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[PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read

2021-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
lence without the musical notes, nor is there a recognizable note without the silence between them. I will find some more Peirce references to post here when I have some time a little later to dig them up. Cathy On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:09 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: -

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read

2021-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
21 at 8:32 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: Cathy, List Yes, "There are Real things, whose characters are entirely independent of our opinions about them; those Reals affect our senses according to regular laws..." 5.384.[Fixation of Belief]. See also

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read

2021-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon, list Agree - but I think there are two dangers not one. Nominalism, the epitome of the subject-as-King, is indeed a danger, where individuals can insist that if they perceive that a statue is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read

2021-06-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Cathy, List Yes, "There are Real things, whose characters are entirely independent of our opinions about them; those Reals affect our senses according to regular laws..." 5.384.[Fixation of Belief]. See

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The formal logic of chemistry and the trichotomy.(Revised) Was Re: The 1911 EGs

2021-06-08 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jerry, list This is a very densely packed outline, and therefore, at the moment, I have just a few comments. 1] I note that you wrote: "semiosis of singular (unique) objects, identified (termed) “sin-signs” by CSP. " I am pleased to see that you define a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] History, Its Arc, Its Tangents

2021-05-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon, list Jon - you wrote: "I think we are dealing with the scientific analogue of the moral figure above. To inquire is to act as if inquiry pursued far enough will end in truth. It's a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Objective Idealism

2021-05-21 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ion." Best, Gary R “LET EVERYTHING HAPPEN TO YOU BEAUTY AND TERROR JUST KEEP GOING NO FEELING IS FINAL” ― RAINER MARIA RILKE Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:35 PM

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Objective Idealism

2021-05-20 Thread Edwina Taborsky
iguous here. Your view is a misinterpretation of Peirce's clear meaning. Best, Gary R “LET EVERYTHING HAPPEN TO YOU BEAUTY AND TERROR JUST KEEP GOING NO FEELING IS FINAL” ― RAINER MARIA RILKE Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City U

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Objective Idealism

2021-05-20 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Christianwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [3] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [4] On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 8:04 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: John, list You wrote:" Re mathematics: It's not necessary to accept Plato's claim that the mathematical forms are more fundamental tha

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Mario Bunge's ideas and Foundations of information technology

2021-05-20 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list You wrote:" Re mathematics: It's not necessary to accept Plato's claim that the mathematical forms are more fundamental than physical things. An Aristotelian position is more acceptable:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peircean Categories

2021-05-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
l then add the device to its list of authorized devices to access your account. Tom From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On Behalf Of Edwina Taborsky Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:12 AM To: tabor...@primus.ca; ttins...@tampabay.rr.com Cc: PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu S

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peircean Categories

2021-05-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ded, I will post the results. Respectfully, Tom T. - OtterServer.com [1] From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 1:33 PM To: ttins...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peircean Categories Tom I think the key t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Organizational and IT Semiotics

2021-05-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ts to the person. Your insight has only given me greater enthusiasm for the Peirce framework and its applicability to digital system. As I follow up with the contacts you have provided, I will post the results. Respectfully, Tom T. - OtterServer.com [6] From: Edwina

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [ontolog-forum] Hierarchy, a la Peirce

2021-03-05 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List, Mike, Bruce Thanks to Mike and Bruce for these comments on hierarchies - and - the triadic infrastructure that enables hierarchies - and - as Mike points out, the three Peircean categories that are the foundation of the triad. I think that not enough attention is paid to

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Multi-value logic

2021-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
l Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2] On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:07 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: John, list I'm not sure about this; don't the models [and graphs are, after all, mod

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Multi-value logic

2021-02-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list I'm not sure about this; don't the models [and graphs are, after all, models], have to show and explain Peircean semiosis - which is triadic? After all, semiosis is all about Mind-as-Matter,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Multi-value logic

2021-02-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list I think a key point about logic is that it must refer to or represent the real world and is not an isolate intellectual construct. Therefore since Peirce rejects reductionism and a mechanical

[PEIRCE-L] suggested book

2021-02-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
RCE-L] Inference as growth Edwina, List, uh, language is very inaccurate and tricky. I have made some mistakes in my previous post. I have to reformulate it all, paying attention to formulations. For example, "The class of tigers does physically exist" is perhaps not equivale

Re: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inference as growth

2021-02-03 Thread Edwina Taborsky
art, the said conclusion is not guaranteedly valid: Intuitionistic logic. Best, Helmut 02. Februar 2021 um 18:35 Uhr Von: "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut, list To say that 'A exists' - can be translated, I think, into a syllogistic sentence of, for example:

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inference as growth

2021-02-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
). About the unicorn I think, that "Unicorn" (put in quotation marks) exists, but not a unicorn. Best, Helmut 01. Februar 2021 um 20:16 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut, list 1] I'm not sure what a 'universally valid law' means. After a

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Inference as growth

2021-02-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
o, that unicorns don´t exist, but are real? Or have I mixed it up again? Anyways, can anybody see through all the mistakes I have written that what I was meaning to tell, whether it is all bull or there is something about it? I thought having refuted the "transparent-world"-hypothesis and

[PEIRCE-L] Inference as growth

2021-02-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - a few comments: 1] I think the semiosic process begins with 1ns, a sensation...and moves into awareness [2ns].. 2] With regard to your statement 'There is no unicorn that is not pink' - I think that this is what is known as an 'E' or negative form. Essentially

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inference as growth (was No subject

2021-02-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
John, my interest in the article wasn’t about the symbols used to refer to logical processes but about the processes of the triadic sign, ie, that it is an asymmetrical and generative process, not a representative process. And I was pleased to see a scholar in both philosophy and Peirce refer

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Existential Graphs in 1911

2021-01-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Hmm. You seem to be defining 'thinking' as only an act of abstract intellectual analysis. But Peircean 'thinking' includes non-analytic feeling [Firstness] as well as direct physical experience [Secondness] and also, that abstract analytic process [Thirdness]. Edwina

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Scroll vs Nested Ovals (was Existential Graphs in 1911)

2021-01-29 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - if you read Peirce's cosmological outlines [6.203 and 1.412], he begins with 1ns, moves on to the instantiations of 2ns, and then, into the developing habits of 3ns. So, the 'actualization' of the modes in spatiotemporal existence is linear. But - all three modes are

[PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
. I don´t think, that all knowledge is incomplete. Due to Goedel, as far as I have understood, merely the knowledge about a system of which the knower is part of, is. Best, Helmut 25. Dezember 2020 um 19:10 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut - No, I don't think th

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - No, I don't think that Godel's incompleteness theory has anything to do with democracy. After all, if we take as a given, that all knowledge is incomplete [and Peirce would be the first to say this!], then, we'd have to question other historical forms of governance - such as a

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Steven - no, I don't think the problem is semantic. I think that we differ theoretically! Edwina On Thu 17/12/20 8:55 PM , "Skaggs,Steven" s.ska...@louisville.edu sent: H, Differences in how far we extend words and categories and metaphorical uses of them is often a

Re: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
17. Dezember 2020 um 20:22 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Steven - I don't consider that adaptation is akin to induction. It's akin to abduction. 1] And I disagree with your comment about random mutation - which you seem to suggest is sufficient to provide

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Steven - I don't consider that adaptation is akin to induction. It's akin to abduction. 1] And I disagree with your comment about random mutation - which you seem to suggest is sufficient to provide a species with an adaptive capacity. As I pointed out, for the reasons of both

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
an extreme position, one that cannot be tested. SxS — On Dec 16, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: CAUTION: This email originated from outside of our organization. Do not click links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender's email address and know th

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
s known to be in the bag. Best, Helmut 15. Dezember 2020 um 21:47 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" Helmut - No, the beak is a NEW form, not the old form of the beak, and it developed in 'intelligent' response to the NEW harder seed shell. This is novelty; this is abduction. Yes, m

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
15. Dezember 2020 um 21:47 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" Helmut - No, the beak is a NEW form, not the old form of the beak, and it developed in 'intelligent' response to the NEW harder seed shell. This is novelty; this is abduction. Yes, mutations [new forms] are the result

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
scale this might be interpreted as hypothesis? Or would such an interpretation be anthropo- or neurocentrism? Best, Helmut14. Dezember 2020 um 21:12 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut - the point of abduction is the appearance of a novel situation - and the

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-14 Thread Edwina Taborsky
. To mentally abduct something means to copy it. Chance is just incertainty. Incertainty occurs in the physicochemical realm, but the ability of copying something reqires neurons. I dont know what is wrong with that. Sorry, best, Helmut 14. Dezember 2020 um 20:08 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky&quo

Re: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Asymmetry of Logic and Time (was multiple-valued logic)

2020-12-14 Thread Edwina Taborsky
neuron, or two of them, I dont know, but anyway with neurons, is what I think. Best, Helmut 14. Dezember 2020 um 19:39 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut - you are ignoring the role of Firstness, or chance, within the inanimate and animate world. Chance, s

Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
gnified by the Sign. (CP 8.179, EP 2:494, 1909) ---end quote And finally, as I recall in defining existential graphs Peirce held that the sheet of assertion represents truth, the context within which assertions are inscribed. Regards, Charles Pyle

Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-23 Thread Edwina Taborsky
And finally, as I recall in defining existential graphs Peirce held that the sheet of assertion represents truth, the context within which assertions are inscribed. Regards, Charles Pyle From: Edwina Taborsky Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:11 PM To: Jerry L

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