Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-22 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Clark Goble cl...@libertypages.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt stj...@hum.ku.dk mailto:stj...@hum.ku.dk wrote: I am not sure complexity is enough, also because of the fact that we have no agreed-upon measurement of the degree of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Jeff, lists - I am sorry you sense dark shades ... But most of what I say in the NP book does not depend upon these speculations - which were prompted by somebody, I forgot who, inquiring into the notoriously murkuy waters of the beginnings of life and semiotics. What I am thinking of -

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Frederik, List: On Sep 17, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: 1) simple metabolism, self-sustaining chemaical cycles - whose self-sustainment implies they are prone to adapt to searching for the compounds they need to continue the cycle, Huh? I am unaware of any such cycles.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-15 Thread Clark Goble
Wow. Lots of posts since I checked in last. I’ll try to answer as best I can in the time I have. It’s a very busy week for me, so apologies if I don’t answer or answer in a half hearted way. On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edu wrote: Clark wrote: Material

Re: [biosemiotics:6792] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-14 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Sung, lists - I am not sure that this is the proper comparison. It is possible to chart thresholds in many continuous processes - that does not alter their continuous nature nor make them fundamentally discontinuous in any sense. Continuity may include discontinuities - the opposite is not

RE: [biosemiotics:6777] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis: the limited realm of physiosemiosis respecting physics

2014-09-13 Thread Gary Fuhrman
-Sep-14 11:05 AM To: Peirce List; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Subject: [biosemiotics:6777] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis: the limited realm of physiosemiosis respecting physics John, I don't think that these opposing views - whether semiosic actions take place within the physico-chemical realm

Re: [biosemiotics:6777] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis: the limited realm of physiosemiosis respecting physics

2014-09-13 Thread Edwina Taborsky
...@lists.ut.ee ; 'Peirce List' Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [biosemiotics:6777] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis: the limited realm of physiosemiosis respecting physics Edwina, this difficulty you have with the very basic difference between science being conducted

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-13 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Sung, lists … Hmm, I think processes, at least over QM level, are generally continuous. So I also think the transition between non-life and life is continuous (the increasing degree of autokatalysis in the space of organic compounds) - at the same time I think this process crosses a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-13 Thread Sungchul Ji
Dear Frederik, I am glad you think so. With all the best. Sung Dear Sung, lists - Interesting proposal, might be right. Best F Den 13/09/2014 kl. 20.46 skrev Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edumailto:s...@rci.rutgers.edu : (For undistorted Table 1, see the attached.) Frederik wrote:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-12 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 11, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edu wrote: However, I claim that “Unlike DNA, ‘entropy’ does not have any agent, (091114-4) other than humans, for which it can act as a sign.” Just to add, while this may be true of foundational physical concepts, we

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-12 Thread Sungchul Ji
Clark wrote in response to my statement (091114-1) below that DNA stands for (phenotypes of living cells) for people. (091214-1) Which I agree with. But the point Clark seems to be missing is the fact that DNA stands for phenotypes for living cells as well. (091214-2) The truth

[PEIRCE-L] Physics Semiosis

2014-09-09 Thread Clark Goble
If feel somewhat bad of having brought the discussion down this tangent. (I’ve changed subject as per request) I hope you don’t mind me making one final comment. On Sep 7, 2014, at 4:49 AM, Frederik Stjernfelt stj...@hum.ku.dk wrote: Not all triadicity and thirdness is semiotic - that is