Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
No, that is strictly forbidden by the galactic federation, because the earth is a nature reserve, and must be left on its own. The aliens want to find out how crude life forms are solving social problems such as the contradictions between individual integrity and identity. They are expecting insigh

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-19 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Has he conversed with anyone on this list or known to anyone here? amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > Yes. Abduction and retroduction through wormholes. Peirce has been > abducted too, is still alive (telomers reconstruction), and has develope

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
Yes. Abduction and retroduction through wormholes. Peirce has been abducted too, is still alive (telomers reconstruction), and has developed quantum semiotics and a traffic lead system for the crowded horsehead mist.   18. Mai 2018 um 23:43 Uhr  "Eugene Halton"   Helmut, would that be ...   .

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-18 Thread Eugene Halton
Helmut, would that be ... ... alien ... ... abduction? Gene Halton On Thu, May 17, 2018, 2:16 PM Helmut Raulien wrote: > List, > I am not up to date with the thread, but about the aliens topic to me it > seems most likely, that there is a galactic confederation, which has > declared the e

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Gary Richmond
List, If one downloads Jon's paper and wants to quickly get to the discussion of Peirce's cosmology in RLT--where he argues that 3ns not 1ns is primal, contrasting this with his earlier views as expressed in "A Guess at the Riddle" (the passage Edwina often cites)--scroll down to section page 9 in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, Jon, list, Edwina: "My reading of the above outline, however, obviously does not involve any metaphysical Agent [God]. As Peirce wrote: " You must not let this interfere with or be interfered with by any religious belief. " [6.217 my emphasis]. " Well, we've been through this before. It s

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, John, Jon, list, Peirce's definition of belief is "that upon which a man is prepared to act." It is well known (Fisch 1954) that Peirce got his definition of belief from Alexander Bain, of which he heard in the discussions of the Metaphysical Club : [1] "In particular, he [Nicholas St. Jo

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-17 Thread Helmut Raulien
List, I am not up to date with the thread, but about the aliens topic to me it seems most likely, that there is a galactic confederation, which has declared the earth for nature reserve. Visiting earth and giving us hints of aliens (sending signals) is prohibited. They only take discrete actions,

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }John, list: My understand of 'the Real' refers to generals rather than individual instantiations or existences of that generality. Now - we can presumably consider that IF truth, i.e., in this case, the R

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
As I read the Stanford piece one thing seems right to me. If a proposition is found to be untrue, that does not make the proposition itself unreal. Similarly, if Donald Trump says immigrants are animals which is a falsehood, his contention is very real indeed. If I say to my wife I am fine when I h

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
A wonderful illumination of an unknown (to me) nook. I thought of O.R. when I was writing but did not have the knowledge whereof I spoke. But I am going to peruse further the excellent beginning and so forth. He joins my small pantheon of great unknowns. Whoever wrote the Stanford piece must join t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread John F Sowa
On 5/17/2018 9:04 AM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: My point is simply that reality has all sorts of permutations and that to disclude things is to complexify. I agree. And I recommend the anti-razor by Walter Chatton, who engaged in years of debates with William of Ockham. Both Chatton and Ockham w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thanks for clarifying. I doubt I will gain any ground if I say all signs are real and that al thought is in signs. But I do in fact maintain that things as abstruse as suppositional theological words are real. Sings themselves vary of course and cannot in my view be characterized. Here's an example

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-16 Thread Gary Richmond
John S, list, And I think it's significant in the context of the several recent threads that Peirce was one of the first scientists to imagine that there had to be a cosmos beyond the Milky Way, our own galaxy. Best, Gary *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Stud

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-16 Thread John F Sowa
On 5/16/2018 5:43 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: So, at very least, the jury is still out on this question. I certainly agree. Ray K's predictions about AI have usually been unreliable or just wrong. The inverse square law implies that the energy of electromagnetic radiation falls off very rapidly

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding

2018-05-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Stephen, Gary R, list Since the Universe is an evolving articulation of Mind-as-Matter, then, I would suggest that the likelihood of intelligent, or conscious, life elsewhere has to be about 100%. Edwina

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

2018-05-16 Thread Gary Richmond
Stephen R, list, Stephen wrote: "The discussion that has touched Peirce's "anthropomorphism" is interesting in light of Ray Kurzweil's noting the unlikelihood of other human-type life in the universe" But here's an interesting stat: "There are about 10 billion galaxies in the observable universe!