Re: [peirce-l] Not Preserving Peirce

- Then you can see, whether there is a fertile ground for your > idea. > > If the ground is not fertile for the time being, it may turn up that it > will be, later on. So lack of immediate response does not mean your idea > was not good. - Which was the case with Peirce's unrecogniz

Re: [peirce-l] Not Preserving Peirce

Isn't there someone who could assemble from the many good contributions to the list a short book designed for reading beyond academe that would be aimed at rectifying each area in which Peirce has unrecognized prominence, importance, panache, whatever? I am sure the answer is yes. It could even be

Re: [peirce-l] Nietzsche

Kneejerk diagnoses do not credit either their objects or their messengers. If you think about what I initially proposed, it is almost transparent that it is a viable thesis given the lifetime importance he placed on revaluation and the brick wall of an eventual acceptance of Abba if not of Christia

Re: [peirce-l] PEIRCE QUOTATION FROM JOHN DEELY LOCATION, now Nietzsche

hem thoroughly. With Porter you have the advantage of his web > site with a wide range of his papers on not only the theory but the > practice of Nietzschean technique: > http://sites.google.com/site/jamesivanporter/ > and > http://sites.google.com/site/jamesivanporter/arti

Re: [peirce-l] Fw: [peirce-l] Fw: [peirce-l] PEIRCE QUOTATION FROM JOHN DEELY LOCATION

eirce raise a distinct > separation between the human being as the only linguistic animal, and if > so, where, and if not, where?” > - > Gary C. Moore > > > > > - Forwarded Message - > *From:* Stephen C. Rose > *To:* Gary Moore > *Cc:* PEIRCE

Re: [peirce-l] Fw: [peirce-l] PEIRCE QUOTATION FROM JOHN DEELY LOCATION

The wonders of Google, Commens Peirce Dictionary: Thirdness, Third [as a category]: " Thirdness, Third [as a category] (see also Firstness, Secondness, Categories) "Careful analysis shows that to the three grades of valency of indec

Re: [peirce-l] The Pragmatic Cosmos

And here is the little commentary I did on the Stanley Fish piece Steven mentions; Fallibilism applies to both scientists and religionists Citing Chapter and Verse: Which Scripture Is the Right One? - NYTimes.com

Re: [peirce-l] The Pragmatic Cosmos

When I say I like Peirce I mean 1. I was drawn to him because of similarities between what I took to be his life and mine. 2. I was led by him with some help from Feibleman to a massive clarification in my own thinking - to Peirce as one who integrates idealism, realism and pragmaticism. 3. I do

Re: [peirce-l] The Pragmatic Cosmos

I am waiting for the day when values replaces ethics as a base term for discussing morality and, if a hierarchy is pertinent, when ontological values would be right up there wherever thought (musement) begins. I think we have confused virtues and characteristics with values from the gitgo. (See the

[peirce-l] Peirce for a wider audience

Here is an example: Fallibilism applies to both scientists and religionists http://ping.fm/a5wzV *ShortFormContent at Blogger* - You are receiving this message because you are

Re: [peirce-l] Peirce-L's ends

What is currently working well on the list? What, if anything, could be improved? > If we should promote it, it would help to have a paragraph with succinct directions that all could use. I have been very impressed with the quality of posts and the civility here. What are our goals with this l

Re: [peirce-l] Book Review: "Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism"

Not sure if this got sent. If so, sorry for the duplication. Flying blind as usual, I think admirable for Peirce means what it would mean to most. An action or actions that achieve a positive purpose either for an individual or in relationships. Peirce's modifier of reasonableness might be an evol

Re: [peirce-l] Book Review: "Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism"

Here is a somewhat corrected version of my reply to Terry. Best, S I have little place for ethics in such a system as I have. I see ethics as secondary to the willed application of values to the making of decisions. To me the question is what are the ontological values. My pragmatic answer came

Re: [peirce-l] Book Review: "Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism"

It seems to me that if there is a conflict between nominalism and realism/idealism which plays out in history that it is important to delve deeper. Peirce made spiritual or transcendent or musement matters subject to experiment - human progress had to be real. Where I think I disagree is in not ven

Re: [peirce-l] Book Review: "Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism"

If the way history is made is through willed values, those values were there before we were. They are ontological. I think the confusion in Peirce is his relegation of ethics to the aesthetic. Kierkegaard did a similar thing when he essentially sidelined the ethical. I muse that the semiotic realm

Re: [peirce-l] a question

Typically, Wikipedia defines simultaneity in binary terms. We should fight back. All things happen in the present http://ping.fm/H1Ofo *ShortFormContent at Blogger* On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Eduardo Forastieri wrote: > Ben, list: > Thank you

Re: [peirce-l] a question

I am really glad to see the words aesthetic and value in Elise's note. It is precisely in the area of values that I see Peirce and Nietzsche plowing new (thirds) ground. Where I have a real question and would probably amend Peirce is in relating ethics to aesthetics and thus value (or goodness if

[peirce-l] Peirce and Neitzsche Precursors of the Future

Peirce and Neitzsche Precursors of the Future http://ping.fm/fnwjR fyi, Cheers, S *ShortFormContent at Blogger* - You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to th

[peirce-l] Have you ever heard of Charles Sanders Peirce?

I asked this question on Quora. It then occured to me that folk here might want to weigh in. Quora is an interesting venture based entirely on answering questions. Here's the url for the CSP question - http://www.quora.com/Have-you-ever-heard-of-Charles-Sanders-Peirce *ShortFormContent at Blogger*

Re: [peirce-l] Proemial: On The Origin Of Experience

This immediately raised the memory of Peirce's remark about surpassing Aristotle. We should probably create a grandiosity line in the sand for the rest of us. :) I recommend the Fugs Dover Beach (Spotify) as the requisite track to induce an appr

Re: [peirce-l] Proemial: On The Origin Of Experience

I could not enter the text. The old journalistic *who what where when why and how* would perhaps be useful. Three or four brisk paragraphs addressing these questions. In this *adjective* study* name verb* *What* *Where* = into what stream of thought does this text fit *When* = past present or fu

Re: [peirce-l] Mathematical terminology, was, review of Moore's Peirce edition

1. Hypothesis (Abduction) 2. Induction 3. Deduction But isn't it also the case that we can mix firsts, seconds and thirds if we think it appropriate. As in Terms Propositions Symbols. Best, S *ShortFormContent at Blogger* On Fri, Mar 2,

Re: [peirce-l] A new dissertation on Walker Percy and Charles Peirce

*"‘Belief. Truth. Values. These are **relative things’ ” (LR 113). Percy, however, believes in absolutes."* The above from the dissertation speaks volumes to me. Percy's Catholicism can hardly be perceived as transcendent because it is based on supposition. Peirce believed (I think) that such

Re: [peirce-l] Poem

The main thing that interests me is whether this "simple" appropriation of Peirce - as one to whom we can refer powerful arguments against binary (you versus me) thinking and for triadic thought (always tending toward a positive resolution even if it takes try after try) - is important to advance.

[peirce-l] Poem

Would this qualify as a Peircean poem? How about no war in Iran http://ping.fm/kCcFs *ShortFormContent at Blogger* - You are receiving this message because you are subscribed t

[peirce-l] Dangerous Method

Just a note to recommend "A Dangerous Method". Just saw it today. It deals with the split between Freud and Jung and even more with the boundaries of the physical in relationships. It reprised for me a time in my life when I was deep into that area working at Austen Riggs Center and the NY State Ps

Re: [peirce-l] Philosophia Mathematica articles of interest

When I see articles behind walls the sign is (to me) BARRIER and the blunt truth is Peirce may have been against such barriers due to his treatment by the gatekeepers and for even better reasons and the THIRD is: Would it not be nice to act so that all Peirce documents now behind barriers be placed

Re: [peirce-l] Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And Computation

I think one key to this is to create arguments that are comprehensible to people like me. I do not mean that they should not be mathematical, etc., only that they be applicable generally, universally. I am a case study in mathematical inability, vastly more the case than anything you can imagine.

Re: [peirce-l] A Philosopher's Petition

Done Robert and spread about. Let us know. Cheers, S *ShortFormContent at Blogger* On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Robert Eckert wrote: > Arguably, this post has no place here. > > But, I am not the first philosopher to put everything aside to become

Re: [peirce-l] Knowledge Workers of the World, Unite !

our finger on the > full meaning of Janus, who is a symbol.” > > ** ** > > Gene Halton > > ** ** > > *From:* C S Peirce discussion list [mailto:PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] *On > Behalf Of *Stephen C. Rose > *Sent:* Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:24 PM > *To:*

Re: [peirce-l] Knowledge Workers of the World, Unite !

For what it may be worth, else ignore. I have just started Peter's book which is now 30 years old which seems young to me as most of mine were published before the 80's. I want to make what may be a cliched observation or a simplistic one. It seems to me we would do well to frame (at least) non-sci

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

> taking time out to teach logic at Johns Hopkins, a combination that is > hardly imaginable today. > > Does anyone else have any light to shed on Steve's question? > > Cheers, > Peter > > From: Stephen C. Rose [stever...@gmail.

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

Did Peirce ever say anything relevant to the issue of peer review? As for example implying a division between disciplines, in which ordinary persons would have no relevant contribution to make, and areas where anyone of ordinary capacities might be seen to have a valuable contribution to make? The

[peirce-l] Saturday Thoughts

http://shortformcontent.blogspot.com/2012/01/oddly-common-perceptions-of-riddle-of.html Cheers, S *ShortFormContent at Blogger* - You are receiving this message because you are

Re: [peirce-l] The Web Is Making People Stupid (TWIMPS)

Terry roger that. One solution is to recognize a triadic progression between SIGN (this group) BLUNT TRUTH (what you are surmising about the Web rather uncritically) and the THIRD which would be getting out of the shell and trying to speak concerns in places that might give them more than a seclude

Re: [peirce-l] SLOW READ: THE RELEVANCE OF PEIRCEAN SEMIOTIC TO COMPUTATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AUGMENTATION

I shall with fear and trembling venture a short explanation of the movement to cyberfy the world. It signaled the end, bitter and ongoing, of oil and the car. The PC became the new car, with requisite lingo about speed and so forth. And availability to all. It was a market force toward the affordab

[peirce-l] Popularizing Peirce

I would be interested in reactions to my various efforts to popularize or apply the thinking ogf CSP to ongoing events. I am not looking so much for reactions to my opinions or POV as the question of how a figure like Peirce comes to influence events and whether and how the process inevitably chang

Re: [peirce-l] Occupy Evolution

I assume drawing from the same text that this is CSP's considered conclusion, wherewith he trumps these seductive notions in his defense of sentimentality. (Dorry the quote seems to wish to narrow itself a bit.) * Here, then, is the issue. The gospel of Christ says that progress comes from ever

Re: [peirce-l] How to start a soccer match using 66 classes of signs

Oh dear. I thought semiosis happened in a flash and boiled down to triads until some point of rest or resolution. I love the page but sense it would take a weekend to fully appreciate it. Cheers, S rank amateur and fly on wall. *ShortFormContent at Blogger*

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

mpting to do for him here. But there is still blood on his lab coat > as far as I can see. > > ** ** > > Gene > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* C S Peirce discussion list [mailto:PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] *On > Behalf Of *Stephen C. Rose >

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

Let me spare you the difficulty of reading the part of my note that was unintelligible. It should read: First in this universe is his threes and next his convincing case for realism. I could cite less than admirable things about numerous heroes of our time and all it would end up being would be p

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

nd Welby-Gregory, Victoria (Lady Welby), *Semiotic and > Significs: The Correspondence between C. S. Peirce and Victoria Lady Welby > *, edited by Charles S. Hardwick with the assistance of James Cook, > Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, IN, 1977 **** > > ** *

Re: [peirce-l] “Some Leading Ideas of Peirce's Semiotic”

a republic endowed with a representative form of government that is > meant to > represent the concerns, the interests, and the will of the People. On the > other > hand this refers to the representation of an object by a sign to an > interpretant. > > Jon > > > Stephen

Re: [peirce-l] “Some Leading Ideas of Peirce's Semiotic”

Isn't Peirce's own admission regarding fallibility sufficient to render a "scholarly" approach to him in the conventional sense of "when" and "what does this mean in light of" somewhat ancillary? Trumped by continuity and community and the present task which might be seen in innumerable ways sugges

Re: [peirce-l] Sciences as Communicational Communities -- Academic Capitalism

As a confirmed long-term exile from academia and professional existence, I see Peirce as a role model for nomads of the universe - he might pluralize universe. I think the best thing Peirce-inclined academics can do is demonstrate in readable prose - as here of late - ways Peirce anticipated preci

Re: [peirce-l] Peirce and Hölderlin

I think CP evidences a certain mild disdain toward the transcendentalists and is not much enamored of Emerson, not to the extent that Nietzsche was for example. I probably could reference this if it is not generally agreed that this is the case. Cheers, S *ShortFormContent at Blogger*

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 2

In what sense are these words synonymous? ...politics (values)... Disclosure - I regard values as a missing element within philosophy, Aristotle having opted to elevate virtues and characteristics. Values to me are the ontological source of freedom insofar as there is freedom. They are what we li

Re: [peirce-l] An Idiosyncratic view of teleology

Doesn't Peirce resolve the issue of universal language by conceding our utter fallibility and at the same time affirming a realist position, leaving us with a common sense approach that more or less says beyond babel there are indeed universals, discovery and articulation of which is the purpose of

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read: "Teleology and the Autonomy of the Semiosis Process"

Re Aristotle, I doubt that Harold Bloom who owes the farm to Shakespeare would not acknowledge his debt. Funny thing about Bloom is I gather he never read Peirce but his notions of influence are not inimical Pierce save when Peirce more or less dissolves the individual under the rubric of the golde

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read: "Teleology and the Autonomy of the Semiosis Process"

Though Harold Bloom appears unaccountably to have never come upon Pierce, he is quite convincing on the matter of posthumous influence, the Bard in particular. I certainly think of Peirce as only part way to achieving his full influence. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Eugene Halton wrote: > Dea

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read: "Teleology and the Autonomy of the Semiosis Process"

6.519 dispatches any notion that Pierce or anyone else can know anything beyond death though he leaves the matter up to God. He's certain (with reason) that one survives in one's work and suggests that that is also what Jesus believed. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Gary Fuhrman wrote: > Ben, y

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read: "Teleology and the Autonomy of the Semiosis Process"

As a lifetime generalist communicator with always much to learn and amend, I find this a salient bit of advice to any and all. I mean the part about being aware of ones own fallibility and further taking to heart what it signifies if one does not take the community as the rationale for communicatio

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read: "Is Peirce a Phenomenologist?" - Concept of category?

As a non-academic writer and editor I agree. One term cannot fit all. Best, S Stephen C. Rose *My Associated Content<http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/815562/stephen_c_rose.html> * On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jerry LR Chandler < jerry_lr_chand...@me.com> wrote: >

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read: "Is Peirce a Phenomenologist?" part 5

phenomenology) would relate to thought about this vague thing and would look more like the second. A reaction. That could still make Pierce among many other (some prior) things a phenomenologist. There now, in Rem's diction, I've said too much. Stephen C. Rose On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:2

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