I think CP evidences a certain mild disdain toward the transcendentalists and is not much enamored of Emerson, not to the extent that Nietzsche was for example. I probably could reference this if it is not generally agreed that this is the case. Cheers, S
*ShortFormContent at Blogger* <http://shortformcontent.blogspot.com/> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:17 PM, <ama...@euphorika.net> wrote: > Greetings! > > I haven't any forensic evidence of formative influence, Hölderlin—>Peirce, > sorry; but since you also touch on the question of a semeiotic link, I'd > like to suggest a couple of leads towards a grander, evolutive and > collateral view. > > P—>Jakobson<—Heidegger<—H. > > Jakobson and Lübbe-Grothues, Ein Blick auf Die Aussicht von Hölderlin. > Heidegger's 1942/3? lectures around Hölderlin's poem, Der Ister. > > P<—>Emerson<—H. > > I seem to recall Peirce mentioning Emerson. Were the two acquainted? I see > they were both members of the Saturday Club in Boston. Not much generally > familiar with Emerson, but I have read an essay of his, entitled Prudence, > in which he describes 3 classes of attitudes to life, roughly 1. > utilitarian, 2. aesthetic, 3. truthful, which bear comparison with Peirce's > notions of 1stness, 2ndness, and 3rdness. Emerson remarks that few people > comprehend the full the full gamut. > > One or two curious points worth mentioning about Hölderlin. He was a > radically literalist translator of Ancient Greek poetry, which is to say > that he understood/felt individual words to be highly complex/rich signs. > Related is a rather abstract phase in Hölderlin's approach to poetic > composition, which somewhat resembles Peirce's morphological arrangement of > triads. There are notes surviving in which Hölderlin works out poem > compositions in the following way: > > WISTFULNESS WISTFULNESS PLAYFULNESS PLAYFULNESS > WISTFULNESS SORROW SORROW WISTFULNESS > LONGING WISTFULNESS WISTFULNESS LONGING > ... > > And so on. In fact, I can't recall any particular composition; this is a 25 > year old memory from my early student days. Now, if you put the two points > together, in perspective of the finished poetry and other writing, the > ordering of moods turns up a logic of semantic morphism, however > casual/intuitive. > > Good luck. I'd be very curious about any explicit links you turn up. > > Cheers! > Ozan > > On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Cassiano Terra Rodrigues wrote: > > Hello list: > > Does anyone know whether Peirce knew anything by Friedrich Hölderlin? > I'm thinking specifically about Hölderlins poem called Mnemosyne, where the > image of man as sign appears. I found this link to the poem: > > http://publish.uwo.ca/~rparke3/documents/mnemosynedrafttrans.pdf > > And also this quote from Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit (I couldn't make > sure yet whether or not it's from "The Death of Empedocles"/ "Der Tod des > Empedokles", by Hölderlin): > "Der Pathos des Sängers ist nicht die betäubende Naturmacht, sondern die > Mnemosyne, die Besinnung und gewordeneInnerlichkeit, die Erinnerung des > unmittelbaren Wesens." (sorry, I can't translate that into English and > couldn't find the translation online, but it's from the Phenomenology of > Spirit, VII.B.c: The Spiritual Work of Art). This quote seems to indicate > to the same general philosophical point as CSP does in his 1868 papers on > cognition: the impossibility of an imediate knowledge. Anyway, just a point > of historical curiosity; but the Hölderlin case seems more interesting, to > me at least. > All the very best to all, > cass. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L > listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body > of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to > PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L > listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body > of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to > PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
