RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 4, The Normative Science of Logic

I’m attempting to extrapolate from the exchange between Phyllis and Stefan, though these comments are not directed to them. Phyllis Chiasson: “In the full statement, Peirce said that The only moral evil is not to have an ultimate aim that can be 'consistently pursued'--or something to that

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 8

Response to Michael Shapiro’s post that Peirce should be seen as a structuralist. Shapiro: “The use by Peirce of the form rationalized (rather than rational) as a modifier of variety in the quotation above should be taken advisedly. This use of the participial form, with its adversion to

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 8

] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:11 PM To: Eugene Halton; PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 8 Gene, list, Structuralism properly understood does not exclude process or growth, just the opposite, so calling Peirce's doctrine processualism is both redundant

RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

I agree with Gary Fuhrman's point on the significance of the natural light as the root for Peirce's conception of instinctive beliefs, common sensism and practical beliefs, religion, and the potential connection of science with religion. It opens up evolutionary questions that also can inform a

RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirce's Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny?

Dear Helmut, Or maybe rather: Die Quantität der Potate ist indirekt proportional zur Intelligenskapazität ihres Kultivators! (Or, as it is put in the south: Der Dümmste Bauer hat die grösste’ Kartoffel’!). Loosely translated: “The size of the potato is indirectly proportional to the IQ of

[PEIRCE-L] From the Axial Age to the Moral Revolution

My new book, *From the Axial Age to the Moral Revolution: John Stuart-Glennie, Karl Jaspers, and a New Understanding of the Idea, *presents the forgotten and unknown ideas of John Stuart-Glennie, who began writing on what Karl Jaspers called the axial age 75 years before Jaspers. The book also

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How Forests Think

Dear Gary F., Thanks for the post on Kohn's book, *How Forests Think*. In looking through chapter 1 through the link you posted, I was happy to see that Kohn makes ample use of Peirce's semiotic in fruitful ways without descending into the rabbit hole of technical terminology, which usually

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6920] Re: Natural Propositions

Dear Frederik, Would you agree that the fleeting moment nominalist is only half of the picture, that the other half is the nominalist who exists in name only, nominally, that is, in a social contruct, such as Hobbes's nominalist social contract, or, say, Rorty's relative belief communities, or as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

on the antidemocratic military-industrial-academic establishment.” Eugene Halton, *Bereft of Reason*, University of Chicago Press, 1995, pp147f. --- On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: My post was a bit polemic, because I was mad at Mumfords neglection

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Scientific Attitude

Dear Steven, I have to disagree. In one sense, however, well-put, but for the opposite meaning you intended. Charles went off-the-rails of the delusional scientific worldview of necessitarianism, of the clockwork universe moving with the necessity of a clock, or train constrained to its

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Seeing things

Dear Gary F., I would add that it is not only metaphor that, “reverses the process by unmaking a familiar distinction, revealing a richer and stranger relationship,” as you put it. This is also the essence of aesthetic experience. Dewey termed this “perception,” where the qualitative immediacy of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] 'When Philosophy Lost Its Way"

Dear Gary et al, Yes, only that article on the desiccation of philosophy comes about a century late and a dollar short. Already in 1903 William James showed what was happening in his short essay "The Ph.D. Octopus." And Peirce's former student at John's Hopkins University, Thorstein

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: New York Pragmatist Forum 2/29/16: Bruce Wilshire's Primal Pluralism, Phenomenology, Pragmatism, and Native American Philosophy

Thanks for the notice on the February New York Pragmatist Forum devoted to Bruce Wilshire's work, Gary R. In case it is of interest to the list, Bruce’s posthumous book is just being published this month, *The Much-at-Once: Music, Science, Ecstasy, the Body* (New York: Fordham University Press,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: New York Pragmatist Forum 2/29/16: Bruce Wilshire's Primal Pluralism, Phenomenology, Pragmatism, and Native American Philosophy

Dear Gary R and list, What I admire most in Bruce Wilshire's work is the sense of freedom of exploration, a continuation of the spirit of Emerson, James, and Peirce in the age of deadened academic bureaucracy. Yes, it is perhaps ironic that he was at Rutgers University and its philosophy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind evolving

Yes, beautiful Chesterton quotation, Ben N. I loved the "Tommy opened the door" example; and also "This proves that even nursery tales only echo an almost pre-natal leap of interest and amazement." That "almost prenatal leap" is our genetic heritage, and why we are prepared already at birth

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind evolving

word > 'dead' to describe the lifeless character of both science and religion when > either has lost its sense of wonder. Now I'm further suggesting that > 'wonder' in this sense is a kind of 1ns. > > Best, > > Gary R > > ​ > > [image: Gary Richmond] > > *Gary

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nominalism vs. Realism

Dear Eric, Here is one practical implication. Is a human really by nature, as Aristotle said, a zoon politikon, a political (polis or community) animal, determined to live well, whose end is to be found in the good life of the community? Or is a human by nature simply an animal, determined,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Do trees talk to each other? Express emotions and make friends? Barking?

; Edwina > > - Original Message - > *From:* Eugene Halton <eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu> > *To:* Peirce List <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 10:13 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Do trees talk to each other? Express emotions > and make

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

I sent the post below on Sept 19 when there was some discussion of musement, but it appears it did not go thru so I'm posting again. Apologies if it did go thru the first time. Gene H …and musement musings… Peirce’s “The play of musement” is a beautiful way of putting it. It is a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theory of Thinking

…and musement musing… Peirce’s “The play of musement” is a beautiful way of putting it. It is a portal to a way of opening one’s body soul mind to experience. But what if, on entering that realm of spontaneity and freedom through the “play of musement” portal, one begins to realize

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Do trees talk to each other? Express emotions and make friends? Barking?

Dear Charles, Myecologist Paul Stamets describes ways trees and other plants have communication through fungal networks. They provide something like a neural net would for a brain. Perhaps one could say that trees have a "brain" without needing a brain. And that humans, despite having

Re: [PEIRCE-L] phenomenology of stories

Dear Stefan, Interesting. One rarely ever hears of a student of Simmel. Despite widespread appeal as a lecturer in Berlin, Simmel was denied a regular professorship for decades because of anti-semitism. He was Privatdozent at Berlin from 1885 to 1901, then Ausserordentlicher Professor

Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Laws of Nature as Signs

John Sowa: “But every kind of Thirdness must be learned by abduction. Observation can only detect post hoc. Propter hoc is an abduction. An infant observes patterns in the parents' babbling, imitates the babbling, and discovers that certain patterns bring rewards.” The expectations for

Fwd: Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Laws of Nature as Signs

rnative telecommunications provider. http://www.primus.ca On Sat 08/04/17 6:30 PM , Eugene Halton eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu sent: John Sowa: “But every kind of Thirdness must be learned by abduction. Observation can only detect post hoc. Propter hoc is an abduction. An infant observes pattern

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Phaneroscopy & Phenomenology

Adding to John's last statement concerning Peirce's letters to Lady Welby, let's remember the influential book by Ogden and Richards, The Meaning of Meaning (1923), which brought discussion of Peirce to a wider audience over many following decades. It was Lady Welby's influence on Ogden that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

In the past generation in the United States, empathy among college students, as measured by standardized tests, has dropped about 40% according to a 2010 University of Michigan study, with the largest drop occurring after the year 2000. This is the new normal. Should we now suppose the previous

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: AI

Dear Gary F, Here is a link to the Sarah Konrath et al. study on the decline of empathy among American college students: http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/eob/edobrien_empathyPSPR.pdf And a brief Scientific American article on it: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-me-care/

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: AI

Gary f: "I think it’s quite plausible that AI systems could reach that level of autonomy and leave us behind in terms of intelligence, but what would motivate them to kill us? I don’t think the Terminator scenario, or that of HAL in *2001,* is any more realistic than, for example, the scenario of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: AI

Yes John S, I realize the conclusion of my previous post seemed to echo your statement that AI system kill goal would have to be programmed by human/s. I believe I was claiming something somewhat different. That such programming is an aspect of a broader systemic directive, stemming from the

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

Dear Edwina et al, Regarding your first point. Edwina: "If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that 'empathy', as a societal characteristic, i.e., a habit/Thirdness within a population, might be removed from that population's behaviour. Such a population, I suggest, couldn't last

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell lecture 1.1

I agree with Kirsti and Jerry: IS THIS OPENING FLOURISH A CASE OF CSP STYLE? OR HUBRIS? OR BRAGGING? OR SOPHISTRY? Commenting with these questions is sufficient, given that the initial Peirce quotation was simply insufficient to provide genuine discussion. The Lowell lecture introductory 1.1

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

What's missing in John's comments on the counter rise of greed and related, and in Edwina and Daniel's responses, are the transformative effects of agriculture and civilization. The agricultural revolution produces population explosion systematically, and it has never ended. The advent of

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

o-live. The advantage, of course, is that we can change our > mode of life, can adapt far faster than any species which has its knowledge > base stored in genes. The disadvantage is when we get it wrong - and - I > consider that greed, anger, hostility, [Firstness, Secondness]are as basic > to

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

PM, "Edwina Taborsky" <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: > > Gene - please see my comments below: > > > On Sun 01/10/17 6:33 PM , Eugene Halton eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu sent: > > Dear Edwina, > The evidence contradicts a number of your claims. > 1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 1.4

mply > naturally grows. > > And the ideology of man controlling nature is really an 18th century > mentality. Prior to that, God or the many gods or the spirits were really > in control. > > Edwina > > > On Sun 01/10/17 7:33 PM , Eugene Halton eugene.w.halto...

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce’s insufficient religious conservatism (was Reconciling science and religion...)

5/15/18Peirce’s insufficient religious conservatism I agree with you Gary R concerning Peirce’s direct explicit statements on his belief in God, many cited by Jon Schmidt. You provide some quotations from Peirce on a rapprochement between religion and science (Peirce:

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Skepticism regarding "alien" life in the cosmos

Helmut, would that be ... ... alien ... ... abduction? Gene Halton On Thu, May 17, 2018, 2:16 PM Helmut Raulien wrote: > List, > I am not up to date with the thread, but about the aliens topic to me it > seems most likely, that there is a galactic confederation, which

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How language began, a Ted talk by Dan Everett

Dear John, Thanks for posting the link, I enjoyed Dan Everett TEDx talk on homo erectus, pushing back language origins. Two brief comments. Re persistence hunting: Hand gestures can be much more helpful than spoken language for group to maintain “radio silence.” So I would suspect there

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 3.11

Dear Gary F, Your comment concludes: "That last sentence takes us to the crux of the challenge of Peircean semiotics and Peircean phenomenology: *Experience is our only teacher* in science, as he says elsewhere, and all of our experience is *human* experience — yet we are tasked to “take

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nativity scenes

Dear Peter, Peirce described the way in which symbols can grow over time. And clearly one of the meanings of the symbol of the nativity is the family. Feuerbach called attention to how the holy family symbol is a representation of the earthly family. Marx took it further by claiming that the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nativity scenes

ary Richmond] > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > *718 482-5690 <%28718%29%20482-5690>* > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Eugene Halton <eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

I propose the term "the unlimited community of quibblers." It may at first blush seem to suggest some parallels to Peirce's "unlimited community of inquirers," but it somehow seems to last longer with no hope of resolution, despite its promise of the last word. I won't say another word about

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Culture wires the brain

John quoted the statement from an earlier article I believe: > “Early infancy is a critical time for establishing the biology of a healthy mind. You’re not born with a social brain, you grow one.” This statement seems to me to be patently false. Not only are there socialization processes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recommendation: In email notes, avoid the word 'you'

ies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > > *718 482-5690* > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:56 PM, Eugene Halton > wrote: > >> >> I propose the term "the unlimited community of quibblers." It may at >> first blush seem to sug

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Sign Is Not a Real Thing

I also agree. To twist Ernst Haeckel's saying: ontology does not recapitulate philology, contra Derrida. Gene H On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 3:20 PM Mary Libertin wrote: > I agree. With you, and with my interpretation of Sternfeldt. > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 3:18 PM Daniel L Everett > wrote:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Music in some theories of the origin of language, Was, A Sign Is Not a Real Thing

gt; Best, > > Gary > > > Even more fascinating, Changizi shows that music itself is based on > natural sounds. Music—seemingly one of the most human of inventions—is > literally built on sounds and patterns of sound that have existed since the > beginning of time

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Music in some theories of the origin of language, Was, A Sign Is Not a Real Thing

atterns of sound that have existed since the > beginning of time. > ccc > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > > *718 482-5690* > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 3:47 PM

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Culture wires the brain

would intervene and put things right. > Sociology and development psychology exists for centuries now. There is no > justified space for ethnopluralism in a serious discussion I say. > > Best, > Helmut > > > 08. August 2018 um 23:00 Uhr > "Eugene Halton" > >

[PEIRCE-L] APA Pacific Meeting Author Meets Critics: From the Axial Age to the Moral Revolution

Hotel, San Diego, CA Karl Jaspers Society of North America Session Two: Author meets Critics From the Axial Age to the Moral Revolution: John Stuart-Glennie, Karl Jaspers, and a New Understanding of the Idea (Palgrave Macmillan, 2014) Author: Eugene Halton (University of Notre Dame) Chair:

Re: Scientific inquiry does not involve matters "of vital importance," was, [PEIRCE-L] A footnote on reason

ferent from (though more specific >> than) yours or Peirce’s. And she presents an alternative economics which is >> much more consistent with current ecological sciences (and, I might add, >> with social justice). >> >> If science in general is so congenial to the political p

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Perfect Sign Revisited

Dear Jon S, I enjoyed reading your Additament article. In your post from this morning you say: " As embodied metaphysical Quasi-minds, we are both constituents and interpreters of the Universe as God's great Symbol and Argument. Furthermore, as morally responsible Persons, we can also

Re: Scientific inquiry does not involve matters "of vital importance," was, [PEIRCE-L] A footnote on reason

Gary R: "Of course it goes without saying, I'd hope, that the positive results of scientific inquiry, for example, new technologies, may be applied to matters of vital importance (for example, in medicine, etc.)" Actually Gary, the jury is still out on that one. Ask the dying, overpopulated

Re: Scientific inquiry does not involve matters "of vital importance," was, [PEIRCE-L] A footnote on reason

Dear Gary R., Yes, thanks, you understood my critique and likely difference of opinion. From my point of view your response, like that of many Peirceans, and sci-tech proponents more generally, takes an ideal of what science and technology should be as an excuse to deny their actual

Re: Scientific inquiry does not involve matters "of vital importance," was, [PEIRCE-L] A footnote on reason

I believe, anticipated in a close reading of certain of > Peirce's writings, including those on education, because he saw it *well > on its way* in his own era. > > Best, > > Gary R > > > > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Commun

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Disinformation, dystopia and post-reality in social media: A semiotic-cognitive perspective

Dear Atila, Thanks for your interesting posts! Yes, "big data" can help establish facts in a dystopic world of dissembling disinformation and delusional denial of reality. But it can also act negatively as part of the overquantification of life, the counting numbers until only numbers count.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another Perspective on 'Quasi-Mind'

John characterized Aristotle: “5. Rational psyche of an animal having logos (zôon logon echein). Each psyche inherits all the abilities of the more primitive psyches. For Aristotle, the rational psyche of humans is the most advanced.” I prefer “Rational psyche of an animal having

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another Perspective on 'Quasi-Mind'

Thought provoking article I can ... resonate ... with. Thanks for sending, Mike. Gene Halton On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:59 AM Mike Bergman wrote: > List, > > Speaking of quasi-minds, this reference is very thought provoking, > though the author does not mention Peirce: > > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Phaneroscopy and logic

Dear Dan, You say, "I discuss Kant’s work in my book, Dark Matter of the Mind, where I argue that there is no innate knowledge. 'Duty' 'respect' even things like colors are largely cultural constructs, in a way that I believe fits in quite well with Peirce’s phaneroscopy. I am not aware of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce on the Reality of God (was Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric)

no rational explanation. > (R 870:43-44[37-38]; 1901) > > > As Peirce demonstrated in his first Additament to "A Neglected Argument" > (CP 6.490; 1908), denying the Reality of God as *Ens necessarium* effectively > renders the Being of the three Universes of Experience *i

Re: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited

chmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> > Virus-free. >

Re: Trinity, Continuity, and the Cosmotheandric, was, [PEIRCE-L] Re: Continuity of Semeiosis Revisited

Gary R: “one might argue that God (Abba) is transcendent while Christ (the Word) is immanent, and as Christians say, we come to know God the Father through God the Son.” Peirce’s first wife, Harriet Melusina Fay, saw through father-son patriarchalism, and grasped how it abstracted the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Realism and Idealism

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 2:06 PM John F Sowa wrote: > On 7/8/2019 9:45 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > One can get trapped in terminology! > > I strongly agree. > > We should be cautious about applying Peirce's words in ways > that he never intended. > John > I second that. I mean ... I third that.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Defining Continuity

Dear John F S, You give a description of common sense as though it is simply early childhood learning, its developments, and cultural accretion rather than also including a deeper, tempered human nature. That is not what Peirce meant by common sense when he drew from the Scottish common

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Guidelines for scholarship (was On-line Symposium...

JFS: "Opinions are never acceptable in a court of law or in a scholarly edition." I'm no expert, but in the US, if I may nitpick: THELAW.COM LAW DICTIONARY & BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY 2ND ED. "EXPERT TESTIMONY The opinion stated in court by an expert witness. An admissible expert opinion given in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Guidelines for scholarship (was On-line Symposium...

sky wrote: > Gene - an opinion ‘per se’ is ambiguous and therefore irrelevant. An > opinion-by-an-expert-in-the-field is similar to a conclusion that is based > on evidence and analysis. Very different from an ‘opinion’. > > Edwina > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 17, 2019