Jobless Claims Rise More Than Expected
Thu Jul 15, 2004 08:32 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing initial claims for
jobless pay grew by more than expected last week, government data showed on
Thursday, with seasonal factors offsetting a large drop the week before.
PS Rosbalt's english-language site is closing. Damn.
Rosbalt, 01/06/2004, 18:06
Putin's Interesting Arithmetic
Analysts are divided over the ambitious plans for
national development outlined in President Vladimir
Putin's recent state of the federation speech, but
they are agreed that realizing
Somebody out there thinks the ruling class has
dumped George Bush?
Check out:http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/documents/RP_Ind_060204.pdf
Check the whole site at: http://www.whitehouseforsale.org
A Postmortem: The Anti-War Movement, September 2001-March 2004:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/postmortem-anti-war-movement-september.html
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Greens for Nader: http://greensfornader.net/
* Bring Them Home Now!
In a message dated 7/18/2004 3:16:15 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CB: Yes, the South started the Civil War (a
counter-revolutionary coup d'etat see Aptheker) because the slave system could
only survive by constantly expanding geographically ,i.e. by geographical
On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 08:49:19AM -0700, sartesian wrote:
One last time:
I thank you for your patience, and again, I have read and reread your
response carefully. Unfortunatly, there is little in the way of clear
points to be found. I am not saying that this makes you wrong, you may be
right,
Hazlitt's essay on Robert Owen is quite fun:
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Hazlitt/Political/Owen.htm
there's also a rather good museum in New Lanark these days which makes an
attractive daytrip if you're ever stuck in Glasgow.
I occasionally find myself thinking that Owen and the
Sartesian wrote:
Somebody out there thinks the ruling class has dumped George Bush?
Check out: http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/documents/RP_Ind_060204.pdf
Check the whole site at: http://www.whitehouseforsale.org
And this:
Wall
I haven't read this thread carefully, so I hope I'm not repeating anything.
The ruling class almost never acts as a unified force that dumps someonw. However,
I can imagine that sections of the ruling calss could turn against Bush. More
importantly, the whole election process is set up in a
by Devine, James
Charles asks:Are you saying someone has put Hegel (
or dialectics) into simpler language ?
No. I'm saying that Marx's dialectical and materialist perspective (in
CAPITAL)
can be translated into relatively common-sense terms by using a non-Hegelian
language.
Jd
^^^
I'm
by Waistline2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CB: Yes, the South started the Civil War (a counter-revolutionary coup
d'etat see Aptheker) because the slave system could only survive by
constantly expanding geographically ,i.e. by geographical extension, or
extensive development. Marx discusses this in
CB: I'm not sure what you mean by "with the property relations
within"
^
The unions of labor force of the workers and the means
of production is simultaneously a connection of productive forces and a
connection of people in the process of production which together makes up
Chris Doss forwarded:
'the tax system must
not weigh excessively on business,' 'the state and
business must make every effort to reduce unemployment
and poverty'--we asked a number of leading analysts to
comment on the few exact figures that the president
did offer.
'[...]
'Gross domestic
This seems to have devolved into a discussion between 3 people. Maybe we can drop it
now.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Sunday, July 18, 2004
Bush's medical plan: Class warfare
By PAUL KRUGMAN
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST
If past patterns are any guide, about one in three Americans will go
without health insurance for some part of the next two years. They won't,
for the most part, be the persistently poor, who are usually
[While in Cuba last month, a colleague and I walked and walked throughout
old Havana for days, but just could NOT bring ourselves to use one of the
many bicycle cabs used as a frequent mode of transportation
there. Besides all of our cash went to magnificent concerts and
tipping the many
I largely agree with you, although I think you can find historical instances
where the ruling class adjudges some degree of change necessary to act as a
safety valve releasing mass pressures which threaten to overwhelm the
system. The New Deal comes to mind in a period which saw the rapid growth
Charles writes:
The funny thing is dialectics is logic. So, it is a way of talking about
things. Formal logic is a linguistic project. Why not dialectical logic to
some extent ?
what exactly is logic then? I'm no expert on philosophy, but it seems to me that
dialectics isn't a logic in the same
Swans
The Case for Nader-Camejo
by Louis Proyect
(Swans - July 19, 2004) Although liberal attacks on Ralph Nader
have been marked by a level of vituperation usually reserved for such
as Slobodan Milosevic, Greg Bates's Ralph's Revolt is completely
rancor-free by contrast. It is a calm,
Is it possible that some Republican delegate might hop in a pedicab this
summer and pause to ruminate on an economy in which some are always pulled
and more and more are always pulling?
No.
Tom Walker
604 255 4812
by Waistline2
From the standpoint of the form of slave labor prior to Emancipation to
Emancipation - (which ended in counterrevolution that would eventually trap
five million blacks and six million whites in the sharecropping system), to
deployment of the mechanical cotton picker and the
On budget deficits, Kerry is as bad as Clinton, which is pretty bad.
But Nader has never been particularly good and clear on this issue,
though I think that overall his programmatic message goes in the right
direction.
mbs
In that chapter, titled Appease the Bond Market: the Kerry Plan to Make
FUD (a perfect term to refer to the tactic that the Democratic
Party uses against third parties on the left):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/fud.html
I wrote: The ruling class almost never acts as a unified force that dumps
someone. However, I can imagine that sections of the ruling class could turn against
Bush. More importantly, the whole election process is set up in a way that filters out
the anti-capitalist candidates. In the end, the
In a message dated 7/19/2004 11:49:28 AM Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CB:
Well, "property relations within WHICH the productive forces
work"
Comment
Last response . . . the moderator has called for an end.
Read what Marx states because you reverse what he stated.
by Devine, James
Charles writes:
The funny thing is dialectics is logic. So, it is a way of talking about
things. Formal logic is a linguistic project. Why not dialectical logic to
some extent ?
what exactly is logic then? I'm no expert on philosophy, but it seems to
me
that dialectics isn't a
Here is another article from my files. I have just included the parts relevant to the
tail
of the thread. Customers don't notice or don't care [or don't want to spend the time].
Most of the fees and usurious interest rates and the like fall on the backs of the
poor.
Besides falling outside
Michael Perelman wrote:
Most of the fees and usurious interest rates and the like fall on
the backs of the poor.
Besides falling outside the CPI calculations, they also mean that
the distribution of
income is even more lopsided.
How do you know they do? They should be included in the CPI
Doug's radio interview with Jomo also touched upon the Korean experience. He also
attributed the change in Korean politics to the strength of the union movement.
How have unions been more successful there than in the US?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico,
I would be very interested to know if late fees or usurious interest rates are
included. I
have never heard anything about such inclusion. I would be very happy to learn more
about
it.
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 01:22:24PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Most of the fees
Ok, moving on from the Various more philosophical debates about the
revelutionary value of Venture Communism, I have a very concrete question
regarding the Mathematics of the share prices in the Venture Commune.
In order to keep the per share profitablity constant or growing, the price
of each
they wouldn't, necessarily. The statistics people try to get a fix on the
genuine average price of things, but it's a hell of a job to be sure you're
comparing like with like, and the bias is likely to be entirely one way; as
Michael noted earlier, how often do they make a mistake in your favour,
Charles Brown wrote:
by Devine, James
Charles writes:
The funny thing is dialectics is logic. So, it is a way of talking about
things. Formal logic is a linguistic project.
i am not sure who wrote what, but addressing the above: i would submit
that formal logic is a mathematical project,
As to the radio interview noted below with Jomo on Korea:
I heard that interview and think that Jomo seriously mischaracterized
the Korean situation. First he spoke of recovery and continued strong
growth. The Korean economy was basically in recession the first half
of last year. This year
Charles Brown wrote:
by Devine, James
Charles writes:
The funny thing is dialectics is logic. So, it is a way of talking about
things. Formal logic is a linguistic project.
To which Ravi responds:
i am not sure who wrote what, but addressing the above: i would submit
that formal logic is a
Just read a bit in Tax Notes that shows you cannot logically
separate financing arrangements from sticker price.
Some Brit department stores are trying to finagle
the VAT by characterizing part of the retail price
as a credit card processing fee, thereby shunting
taxable value added into
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 5:23 PM
Michael wrote:
i've a hunch that some left interest in nader is reflection of
absence of actual left alternatives, as panelist at forum i attended
in ann arbor said yesterday: 'he's best known option, lousy way to
develop actual left alternative...
I think
It's true that often customers don't care. But often it's because they don't have the
time, don't have the education, are totally overwhelmed by circumstances, trust
authority too much, are depressed, or the like.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Perelman wrote:
I would be very interested to know if late fees or usurious interest
rates are included. I
have never heard anything about such inclusion. I would be very
happy to learn more about
it.
As it says on the top of every CPI release:
FOR TECHNICAL INFORMATION:
Patrick C.
Daniel Davies wrote:
they wouldn't, necessarily.
Fees most certainly should be included. Usurious interest rates
would be difficult to define in a world of 18-21% credit card rates.
And if they're not changing, but just constantly high, it's a
distributional issue, a form of secondary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/04 7:51 PM
I don't think that the League of Pissed Off Voters, aka the League of
Independent Voters, goes anywhere by itself, but seen as a part of a
larger phenomenon, it's interesting.
On one hand, it's an indication of how embarrassing it has become to
make a
Michael Hoover wrote:
maybe the three million or so people who voted for nader in 2000 should
take control of local democratic executive committees, use structure in
place to recruit candidates, slag off on dems who suck, use available
funds to issue policy statements and press releases one after
The Ruling Class Dumps Bush:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/ruling-class-dumps-bush.html
Michael Hoover:
will rogers said something to effect that he wasn't a member of any
party, he was a democrat...
when I quoted this, I was corrected: he wasn't a member of any _organized_ party.
maybe the three million or so people who voted for nader in
2000 should
take control of local
by Gil Skillman
Charles Brown wrote:
by Devine, James
Charles writes:
The funny thing is dialectics is logic. So, it is a way of talking
about
things. Formal logic is a linguistic project.
To which Ravi responds:
i am not sure who
[was: RE: [PEN-L] absolute general law of capitalist accumulation]
Charles writes:
CB: I want to go dialectical on y'all and say logic is mathematical and
linguistic, but I am curious on the essential distinction between
linguistics and mathematics implied here.
it's possible that math might be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/04 3:52 PM
Michael Hoover:
will rogers said something to effect that he wasn't a member of any
party, he was a democrat...
when I quoted this, I was corrected: he wasn't a member of any
_organized_ party.
i stand (actually, i'm sitting) corrected...
maybe the
my handy-dandy philosophical dictionary on dialectic:
From the Greek _dialektos_ (discourse, debate). The art or science
of dialectic begins in the drawing of rigorous distinctions. The
procedure brings to light contradictions, and other types of opposition
not sensed before. ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/04 8:50 AM
Hazlitt's essay on Robert Owen is quite fun:
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Hazlitt/Political/Owen.htm
there's also a rather good museum in New Lanark these days which makes
an
attractive daytrip if you're ever stuck in Glasgow.
I occasionally find
Math, grammar and logic are all sets of rules on how to use symbols.
CB
by Devine, James
[was: RE: [PEN-L] absolute general law of capitalist accumulation]
Charles writes:
CB: I want to go dialectical on y'all and say logic is mathematical and
linguistic, but I am curious on the essential
I called, but did not get the person Doug mentioned. a lower level person could not
answer me because he had never heard of such a consideration, so I had to leave a
message with someone else. --
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
I would include check cashing businesses, rent to own,
Doug, are you saying that they should or they are included?
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 02:56:01PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Daniel Davies wrote:
they wouldn't, necessarily.
Fees most certainly should be included. Usurious interest
In my limited understanding, there are two capture issues here (my missus
used to work in statistics, but every time I ask her, she keeps talking
about some plants I haven't watered or something).
1. Doug is entirely right, in principle, that if a service which used to be
free is now paid for,
Michael Perelman wrote:
I would include check cashing businesses, rent to own,
Doug, are you saying that they should or they are included?
I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about fees
in general. If you're talking about finance-related fees (and
interest), then those
On the other hand, note that this
would mean that the CPI would systematically overstate the cost of living
the life of a rich person but underestimate the cost of being poor, which
is
a known problem of RPI and related statistics.
I forgot to mention that this is the main reason why it is always
Daniel Davies wrote:
On the other hand, no statistical body on earth has the
resource to monitor the proliferation of mobile phone payment plan options;
even the consumer press gets confused on this one regularly.
The BLS has a page devoted to cell phones in the CPI:
Daniel Davies wrote:
I forgot to mention that this is the main reason why it is always vitally
important when considering whether or not to lend your support to some
well-meaning social benefit package, that it should always be indexed to
average wages and not to CPI.
It's been a while, but don't
Michael Hoover wrote:
maybe the three million or so people who voted for nader in 2000 should
take control of local democratic executive committees, use structure in
place to recruit candidates, slag off on dems who suck, use available
funds to issue policy statements and press releases one after
First, all three million do not exist in the same locality. Secondly, a
large number who voted for Nader then now are happily reunited with friends
inside the regular Democratic Party. Thirdly, fat chance of getting the
national party to change anything, or even state parties. Remember the
Democrats Put Bush on the Ballot While Fighting to Keep Nader off
It:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/democrats-put-bush-on-ballot-while.html
Dear liberal brothers and sisters at the Institute of Public Accuracy,
I am somewhat perplexed by Professor L. Sandy Meisel's attack on Ralph
Nader's ties to the Reform Party on your Institute for Public Accuracy
website (http://www.accuracy.org/). In searching my brain for the actual
record of a
sartesian wrote:
an industrial union, like the UAW or UMW, and even there and then
independent workers organizations had to be, and will have to be again,
constructed against the established leadership.
Ah yes. More splits in the working class.
Joel Wendland
Ah, Mr. Wendland, you return. Please, before you remark upon others's
comments-- please review your opposition to immediate US withdrawal from
Iraq. Explain the accelerating instability brought on by the US presence.
Or is that too divisive for you in your role as the sage of social
democracy?
The second paragraph is especially funny.
Davis, Bob. 2004. With White House Ex-Staffers, Mercatus Helps Zap
Codes It Says Restrict Business. Wall Street Journal (16 July): p. A 1.
In 1998, Wendy Gramm, who headed the White House Office of Information
and Regulatory Affairs during the Reagan
[This is much more interesting than the usual discussion. Several fairly
intelligent things get said and the video game automaton explanation
barely rates a mention. But it's the the comparative stats between WWII
and Vietnam which occur halfway through that really grabbed my attention.
They
Doug writes:
It's been a while, but don't I remember Keynes using the wage unit
as the numeraire in cost comparisons? I'm writing something on oil
right now, and it seems to make more sense to compare prices over
time using the average hourly wage rather than the CPI, given all the
guesswork
[was: RE: [PEN-L] Thomas Frank op-ed piece]
I don't see why pushing to make labor unions more democratic and to make the
established leadership more responsible represents a split in the working class. A
union would be more effective if it were more democratic rather than having decisions
Is this progress or the feminization and ethnicization of farming as
farm prices stagnate and costs rise for equipment, supplies, and land,
requiring increases in farming productivity just to survive? An
important method for increasing productivity in farming is, of course, to
use family
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