Gap between richest, poorest widening
Korea Herald
09/10/2000
by Cho Young-sam Staff reporter
Adding fuel to concerns regarding a widening income gap, the National
Statistical Office (NSO) reported yesterday that those in the top tenth
percentile of income earners earned 9 times as much
En relación a [PEN-L:1475] Re: Re: A slight advantage of povert,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 7:43, Jim Devine dijo:
At 10:26 PM 09/07/2000 -0700, you wrote:
--Governments that throw people out of helicopters into the South
Atlantic have no business ruling anybody, let along waging war to
increase
Michael Hoover quotes Louse Antony on Hume:
Hume's 'skeptical solution' to his own problem amounted to an abandonment
of the externalist hopes of his time. Belief in induction, he concluded,
was a custom, a tendency of mind ingrained by nature, one of a 'species
of natural instincts, which
George W. Bush [one of the major candidates for the US presidency] just
started campaigning under the banner of a new slogan, "Real Plans for Real
People," the [Washington POST] notes. Today's Papers can't help but notice
the similarity to the Beef Council's old slogan, "Real Food for Real
En relación a [PEN-L:1484] Re: Imperialist progressivism (was R,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 9:16, Michael Perelman dijo:
The debate on the Falklands/Malvinas is troubling. I thought the
outcome meant that Thatcher triumphed politically, while the junta
had to face political defeat, eventually.
En relación a [PEN-L:1490] Re: Canada, Australia, Argentina,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 10:22, Bill Burgess dijo:
However, by the mid 1980s the US-controlled share of all non-financial
industres in Canada declined to levels below the post-WW2 buildup (the
US share has risen slightly since then, as
To gauge who San Martín (and Sergeant Cabral) were, I am sending a
small quotation from an excellent Marxist biography of our
Libertador, that has just appeared (this year we commemorate the
150th anniversary of his death in exile, exile due precisely to the
same interests that made the Disco
En relación a [PEN-L:1529] Re: Re: pomo or the economy?,
el 8 Sep 00, a las 17:29, Michael Perelman dijo:
On Democracy Now today, Juan Gonzalez suggested that the money for
Colombia may be in part a preparation to "Allende" Chavez.
Certainly. It is quite obviously thus. But this time they
At 11:46 AM 09/09/2000 -0300, you wrote:
Remember _Robocop_, I insist.
A good movie, portraying a science fictional world in which Detroit's
public services have been totally privatized. One of my favorite bits is
when the TV news show ("give us three minutes and we'll give you the
world")
Bill, Paul and Nestor are very much on to something, I think. Australia,
too, consciously nourished its (relative) independence, largely through
mutually constitutive ties between Australia's government and bourgeoisie -
ensuring that the latter would not serve as a compradorial local elite for
Sez Jim,
The good news in RoboCop is that there's hope: another great scene has the
ultra-high-tech robot trying to fight RoboCop (the good guy), almost
winning, chasing our hero into the stair-well, where it turns out that the
high-tech machine can't go down stairs!
Not a new idea,
Wouldn't a truly scientific approach to economics include the study of
literature as a source of insight into economic motivation?
It seems to me that such study plays an important role in the economics of
Marx and Keynes.
Marx, for instance, often points to Shakespeare as a source of insight
By following custom or the tendency of mind whereof he speaks. Hume is not
denying that he and everyone else uses induction, only that one cannot
justify it in the way that some philosophers believe. The best we can do is
explain it.
It is hardly a "sceptical solution" but an explanation that
Nestor and Bill,
Let me reiterate my main point which I take you both would either
agree with or at least accept as a reasonable argument. The first
world war consolidated industrial capitalism in Canada and the
governing elite was firmly under control of industrial capital which
no longer
In a message dated 9/9/00 10:46:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
How could Hume reach this conclusion without employing induction?
Oh, he admits--he insists!--that we cannot but employ it. He just thinks we
cannot justify that employment in the face of his skeptical
In a message dated 9/9/00 12:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Marx, for instance, often points to Shakespeare as a source of insight into
capitalist motives in general and into the money-making and money-loving
motives in particular.
There is an excellent book by
One of the German professors here -- not a radical at all -- uses Marx as an
example of the best in German writing -- not of medium grade.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marx is a medium rank master of the German
language, not as great as Heine or Lessing, but in the neighborhood of
Nietzsche.
At 02:06 PM 9/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoshie, do you get extra hazard pay for
reading these people?
Are these people any worse than most of the economics
literature, which is all too often obscure, abstract, remote from
reality, and apologetics for the status quo?
Doug
People might be interested to know that Jack Amariglio, David Ruccio and I
have a forthcoming edited volume from Routledge on the topic Doug mentions.
The book's title is _Postmodernism, Economics and Knowledge_ and includes
contributions from a large number of folks who have written and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marx is a medium rank master of the German
language, not as great as Heine or Lessing, but in the neighborhood of
Nietzsche.
Nietzsche is a wonderful read, at least in translation. What's with
this "medium rank" business?
Doug
Stephen Cullenberg wrote:
While the book deals mainly with economics, folks might also be
interested in another event where many people broadly influenced by
postmodernism (and many who are not) will be coming together to
discuss and debate Marxism. The Marxism 2000 conference sponsored
by
En relación a [PEN-L:1553] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 9 Sep 00, a las 12:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:
Nestor and Bill,
Let me reiterate my main point which I take you both would either
agree with or at least accept as a reasonable argument.
Dear Phillip,
I do not consider
Ken Hanly wrote:
Reason is not capable of really questioning
induction since reason is powerless against such a natural instinct.
How then is Hume able to question induction?
Ted
--
Ted WinslowE-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Division of Social Science VOICE:
En relación a [PEN-L:1553] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 9 Sep 00, a las 12:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:
It is for this reason or in this context that I say the Canadian
economy is dependent. And I agree that this is a very different form
of dependency that Frank argues for
En relación a [PEN-L:1549] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen,
el 10 Sep 00, a las 3:37, Rob Schaap dijo:
Australia, too, consciously nourished its (relative) independence,
largely through mutually constitutive ties between Australia's
government and bourgeoisie - ensuring that the latter
Louis, you know better than to say something that is so provocative.
Louis Proyect wrote:
People might be interested to know that Jack Amariglio, David Ruccio and I
have a forthcoming edited volume from Routledge on the topic Doug mentions.
The book's title is _Postmodernism, Economics
Hello All,
I'm Brian, a new PEN list reader in Toronto. Apologies for some
digression--I've just gotten caught up reading the last week's digests.
I'm certainly not opposed to pomo-bashing, but my greater concern
is the economic autism discusssion.
Without wanting to diminish
Ted Winslow wrote:
Ken Hanly wrote:
Reason is not capable of really questioning
induction since reason is powerless against such a natural instinct.
How then is Hume able to question induction?
This reason/passion/[appetite] metaphysics had its origins in Plato's
attack on Athenian
He doesn't really. He questions justifications of it.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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From: Ted Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 2:07 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:1562] Re: Re: Re: Re: Hume the Postmodern Grin without
aCat(was Re:
At 01:54 PM 09/09/2000 -0400, you wrote:
Marx is a medium rank master of the German
language, not as great as Heine or Lessing, but in the neighborhood of
Nietzsche. The canard that he is turgid and unreadable is just that, a duck.
Marx's reputations as a turgid writer seems to arise from four
At 01:11 AM 09/09/2000 +, you wrote:
Will Goldilocks meet the Three Bears now, Jim D.?
hey, inflation driven by high oil prices might be a _good_ thing, because
it might prevent asset-price deflation and the resulting debt-deflation
depression! Inflation is one way to get rid of
Brian wrote:
... I think a big reason why there is such a feeling that economics
itself is disembodied is the profession's overwhelming preoccupation with
exchange-value as opposed to use-value. That is, economics tends to be
more concerned with manipulating money than figuring out what the
At 03:31 PM 09/09/2000 -0500, you wrote:
Going down the road of hyperbolic
doubt gets you to the malevolent demon and deep questions about whether we
might not all be brains in vats. I doubt these questions are of great
practical use as preparation for socialist revolution.
Isn't that the
Well there is the historical hen who always ran out to greet the farmer and
received generous amounts of chickenfeed, and using induction figured out
that the appearance of the farmer meant chickenfeed. On this inductive basis
the hen adopted the practice of rushiing out whenever the farmer
CULLENBERG, AMARIGLIO, RUCCIO:
"Jameson, it should be noted, is a devotee of the late Belgian Marxist
economist, Ernest Mandel (1978), whose book on "late capitalism" serves as
the veritable bible for those (mostly cultural critics) who are looking to
describe and define, from the left,
In a message dated 9/9/00 2:28:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the German professors here -- not a radical at all -- uses Marx as
an
example of the best in German writing -- not of medium grade.
The _best_ in German writing in Goethe, the only writer in
In a message dated 9/9/00 3:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Ken Hanly wrote:
Reason is not capable of really questioning
induction since reason is powerless against such a natural instinct.
How then is Hume able to question induction?
Ken misspeaks,
In a message dated 9/9/00 5:05:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can't we dismiss all these questions about induction and epistemology and
ontology in a pragmatic way, i.e., say that our doubts and skepticism are
really irrelevant if they don't act as a guide to
Ken misspeaks, Reason can question, but the questioning does not disturb the
deeply rooted force of habit that makes us accept induction. Reason is pretty
weak, according to Hume, in the face of passion or habit. And was he wrong to
think so? --jks
If the answer to this question is no he
Louis P. wrote:
I have no idea what this is supposed to do with Marxism. Capitalism is
constantly changing, but there is one constant: society is divided into
classes; the struggle between classes is the locomotive of history. It
doesn't matter particularly whether we are in a "Fordist" or
[was: Re: [PEN-L:1574] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hume the Postmodern
Grin without aCat(was Re: pomoistas) ]
Ken wrote:
Well there is the historical hen who always ran out to greet the farmer
and received generous amounts of chickenfeed, and using induction figured
out that the appearance
C'mon Louis! Countless Marxists before the "postmodernists," including
Lenin, have talked about how the form of capitalism has changed since its
start. You may not agree that the distinction between the "Fordist" and
"Post-Fordist" economy exists, but there must be something that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thus Rorty. Sure, I said as much to Nicole. I was, after all, a student of
Rorty's. But the questions keep coming back. Rorty himself cannot just escape
them, or won't. If we were really staisfaied with this sort of pragmatic
answer, we wouldn't care about the issues.
Forget that stuff. Forget reading. Hell, forget thinking. Better just
to make leaflets.
Doug
Speaking as someone who composed leaflets for demonstrations against the
war in Vietnam and against contra funding, I can assure Doug that this
requires enormous intellectual concentration. He should
Please, I already reprimanded Louis. I hope that this will not continue,
although Louis's initial note was overly provocative.
Forget that stuff. Forget reading. Hell, forget thinking. Better just
to make leaflets.
Doug
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State
En relación a [PEN-L:1584] Re: Re: Postmodern Grin without a...,
el 9 Sep 00, a las 19:31, Louis Proyect dijo:
Forget that stuff. Forget reading. Hell, forget thinking. Better just
to make leaflets.
Doug
Speaking as someone who composed leaflets for demonstrations against
the war in
Do you think the folks who programmed the algorithms for all those special
effects in the film were being pragmatists or platonists or constructivists
with regards to induction etc.? Or were they merely wage labor?
Ian
At 03:31 PM 09/09/2000 -0500, you wrote:
Going down the road of
I recall after James Rector was killed during the People's Park uprising in
Berkeley in the 1960s. Frank Bardake wrote a leaflet about the park that I
still keep in my office. It was far more eloquent than any essay that I
have seen.
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote:
Good leaflets are very
En relación a [PEN-L:1588] Re: Leaflets ,
el 9 Sep 00, a las 20:03, Carrol Cox dijo:
Leaflet writing is in fact a literary specialty in its own right,
strongly linked with journalism and editorializing. Good leaflets
can be excellent editorials in a newspaper, and good editorials in a
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