On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:18:52AM -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:23:55PM -0500, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:14:44PM -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> > > Now, can we *>PLEASE<* stop with the semantic games?
> >
> > I'm not sure who you're speaking to her
[this is will the last thing i post about this]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Hicks) wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, _brian_d_foy wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Hicks) wrote:
> > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chris Prince-Colbath wrote:
> > > > Allow custom
Howdy-
Not sure this issue is worth the time this would take, but perhaps
something like the trust metric system found at
http://www.advogato.org/ would help with these concerns?
Peace,
dNb
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, _brian_d_foy wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Hicks) wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chris Prince-Colbath wrote:
> > > Allow customers to post anonymous ratings/reviews of the trainers on
> > > the list and be done with it.
> > Open public feedback has worked quite well
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Perl Training Directory
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Hicks) wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chris Prince-Colbat
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Hicks) wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chris Prince-Colbath wrote:
> > Allow customers to post anonymous ratings/reviews of the trainers on
> > the list and be done with it.
> Open public feedback has worked quite well for Ebay, Amaz
Chris Prince-Colbath wrote:
> It would be more important to have a larger list of trainers that
> people could call and investigate from than to only list a few people
> that have been "proven" by some group who can't completely agree on
> what "proven" even means.
Why can't both exist? Gabor i
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chris Prince-Colbath wrote:
> Allow customers to post anonymous ratings/reviews of the trainers on
> the list and be done with it.
Open public feedback has worked quite well for Ebay, Amazon, imdb and many
others. Providing some sort of rating system would seem to be pretty
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:15 PM
To: Ben Okopnik
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Perl Training Directory
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:52:04AM -0500, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:22:46
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:14:44PM -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:52:04AM -0500, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> >
> > Hmm. Not trying to start a war, just curious; does "proven" mean "vetted by
> > you"? I'm sure you're amply qualified to judge the quality of instruction,
> > etc.,
Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Now, can we *>PLEASE<* stop with the semantic games? It's not that
*>difficult of a problem. I know that brian and I are not the only
*>ones here who have issues with listing "Perl Trainers" who are
*>incapable of locating a syntax error or haven't see
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:52:04AM -0500, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:22:46AM -0500, _brian_d_foy wrote:
> > 'proven' means just what it means when i said it - to determine the
> > truth of a statement. there are plenty of people who claim to be
> > Perl programmers or trainer
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:22:46AM -0500, _brian_d_foy wrote:
>
> 'proven' means just what it means when i said it - to determine the
> truth of a statement. there are plenty of people who claim to be
> Perl programmers or trainers who don't use or teach Perl. some
> of them even write books ab
Smylers [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>brian d foy wrote:
*>
*>> if you don't beleive me, look at how many people recommend Matt
*>> Wright, for instance.
*>
*>[Um ... I was actually joking when I started writing the above, but now
*>I'm not so sure. Certainly "avoid Matt's Script Archive" is somet
Elaine -HFB- Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Maybe trainers could submit their course evaluation results or
> something?
Good idea. Can you read dutch?
-- Johan
brian d foy wrote:
> if you don't beleive me, look at how many people recommend Matt
> Wright, for instance.
I'd recommend Matt Wright's code -- it has many pedagogical uses:
* demonstrating how working with Perl rather than against it can make
code much simpler and easier to understand (
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Elaine -Hfb- Ashton) wrote:
> _brian_d_foy [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>
> *>> and you can simply say 'comes highly recommended' or somesuch and add a
> *>> few nice comments/feedback from actual students.
> *>
> *>anyone can find a few nice
_brian_d_foy [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>> and you can simply say 'comes highly recommended' or somesuch and add a
*>> few nice comments/feedback from actual students.
*>
*>anyone can find a few nice comments, so they are hardly useful.
In the perl community? Perhaps a bit overly optimistic.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Elaine -Hfb- Ashton) wrote:
> Gabor Szabo [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>
> *>I can do this but I am a bit worried that it is too unscientific. I could
> *>even add a way to add comments but that could make even more problems.
> Well, trainer f
Gabor Szabo [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>I can do this but I am a bit worried that it is too unscientific. I could
*>even add a way to add comments but that could make even more problems.
Well, trainer feedback would be almost exclusively subjective, not
objective so there's no way around that
On 2001.12.10 17:38 Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
>
> I will be happy to add it to the CPAN FAQ trainging section.
I appreciate that !
>One thing
> you
> might consider is encouraging people to send either to you directly or
> via
> the web page recommendations based on personal experience..mayb
On 2001.12.10 19:51 _brian_d_foy wrote:
>
> if you are really motivated, you could build a small database
> (maybe even XML based). From that, you can generated all sorts
> of different lists -- by country, by language, by course
> offerings, and so on. local Perl user groups could then list
>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gabor Szabo) wrote:
> My point is exactly giving a better opportunity for the local companies
> as well. I belive that no matter how good Stonhenge or TCPC are a
> course delivered in the local language (and not in US English) can be
> superior
Gabor Szabo [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>I thought that perl.org would list such companies as well.
It takes a lot of work...:)
*>Anyway I'd be glad if you added a link to perltraining.org with the
*>disclaimer
*>that you feel proper. I think it would benefit the Perl community.
I will be ha
On 2001.12.10 07:54 _brian_d_foy wrote:
> no. proven just means that you actually teach Perl, which is very
> different from will-teach-Perl-if-i-get-paid-to.
on this one we agree.
> as far as www.perl.org
> goes, you should also be able to satisfy more than just a local
> customer base.
>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gabor Szabo) wrote:
> I have also added an explanation to the site that sais people should do
> their own
> research before buying.
that's the sticking point. i think any company that is listed
should be reputable, safe, and provide a good pr
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Benson) wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 10:43:13PM -0800, brian d foy wrote:
> >
> > i actually mean proven - as in there is evidence that they actually
> What sort of evidence are you thinking of? I was very afraid 'proven'
> meant:
On 2001.12.09 20:52 Chris Benson wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 10:43:13PM -0800, brian d foy wrote:
> >
> > i actually mean proven - as in there is evidence that they actually
>
> What sort of evidence are you thinking of? I was very afraid 'proven'
> meant: 'has been to all the conference
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 10:43:13PM -0800, brian d foy wrote:
>
> i actually mean proven - as in there is evidence that they actually
What sort of evidence are you thinking of? I was very afraid 'proven'
meant: 'has been to all the conferences (and bought rounds)', 'written books',
'got lots o
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gabor Szabo) wrote:
> On 2001.12.08 03:40 Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
> > D'oh. Why did you write to? If you are still interested then write
> > to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can get you set up.
> > > BTW who exactly should I contact at perl
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Elaine -Hfb- Ashton) wrote:
> brian d foy [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>everyone on http://www.perl.org/phbs/training.html has
> *>a proven record of training and i would not hestiate to
> *>recommend any of them. i can't be so sure of other
On 2001.12.07 23:05 brian d foy wrote:
> > I have setup a directory of Perl Training companies and Perl Trainers
> at
> > http://www.perltraining.org/ organized per country.
>
> this might violate perltraining.com's service mark since it would
> create confusion in the marketplace by using a ver
brian d foy [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>> I have setup a directory of Perl Training companies and Perl Trainers at
*>> http://www.perltraining.org/ organized per country.
*>
*>this might violate perltraining.com's service mark since it would
*>create confusion in the marketplace by using a ver
On 2001.12.08 03:40 Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
>
> D'oh. Why did you write to? If you are still interested then write
> to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can get you set up.
>
> > BTW who exactly should I contact at perl.org for this ?
>
khm, khm, I guess I wrote to the wrong address as I scrol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gabor Szabo) writes:
[...]
> I offered to do this on a voluntary basis under the umbrella of
> perl.org replacing the current page on www.perl.org (
> http://www.perl.org/phbs/training.html ) which has not been
> maintained for while - but has not received any reply yet.
D'oh.
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:24:25AM +0200, Gabor Szabo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> I offered to do this on a voluntary basis under the umbrella of perl.org
> replacing the current page on www.perl.org (
> http://www.perl.org/phbs/training.html )
> which has not been maintained for while - but
Gabor Szabo [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>So right now it is voluntary on my own :)
*>BTW who exactly should I contact at perl.org for this ?
Looks nice :)
brian d foy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ask Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
are the best people to contact about perl.org.
e.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gabor Szabo) wrote:
> I have setup a directory of Perl Training companies and Perl Trainers at
> http://www.perltraining.org/ organized per country.
this might violate perltraining.com's service mark since it would
create confusion in the marke
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