From: "Oliver Schleede" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> yes, i've forgotten to mention that there's lot of arrogance among the
> enlighted perl folks.
Please do not confuse arrogance with frustration.
David said it better so I'll just give an example from a couple of weeks
ago. Someone posted this questio
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> mostly in reply to David,
I'm flattered. :-)
> yes, i've forgotten to mention that there's lot of arrogance among the
> enlighted perl folks. another good reason to rather seek a simple than a
> correct way out of a perl problem.
Pretty much as I tried to point out. But the Perl wizards s
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> At 12:01 PM 05/05/2000 -0700, Ned Konz wrote:
> >[1] I&
e lively debate rage on!
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Michael Graham wrote:
> You might have a look at Tangram (http://www.tangram-persistence.org/),
> which is a set of Perl modules which implements object persistence in
> relational databases. However, it looks to be very complicated too.
> However once you've learned the basics it should make da
At 12:01 PM 05/05/2000 -0700, Ned Konz wrote:
>[1] I've long regarded relational databases as merely an awkward way to
>make objects
>persistent, so I have a bit of a different slant than many people using
>databases
>(for whom the database is of primary interest).
You might have a look at Tangr
At 07:25 AM 05/05/2000, Oliver Schleede wrote:
>so, still i can't share your point.
Oliver, I'm not trying to convince you to stop using PHP. Use what you
need to get your job done. What I *am* trying to do is to convince the
people who might be swayed by your success stories. And I'm also t
At 07:25 AM 05/05/2000, Oliver Schleede wrote:
>btw you mentioned that some db-stuff will change in a year - i guess php is
>well maintained and workarounds will be available, for php3 is found in too
>many db web projects.
No, what I meant was next year *you* might change *your* database from
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>And finally, there is really no reason why someone [maybe even
> someone named Michael] can't set up a better-than-PHP system to
> show others. Apache with mod_perl and CGI.pm and DBI and DBD::MySQL
> all loaded already, with clear examples as in Lincoln Stein's
> C
At 09:42 AM 05/05/2000 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And finally, there is really no reason why someone [maybe even
>someone named Michael] can't set up a better-than-PHP system to
>show others. Apache with mod_perl and CGI.pm and DBI and DBD::MySQL
>all loaded already, with clear examples
mostly in reply to David,
yes, i've forgotten to mention that there's lot of arrogance among the
enlighted perl folks. another good reason to rather seek a simple than a
correct way out of a perl problem. but, lucky me, i solve my perl problems
with problematic perl and php3 patchworking, so n
Michael,
You raised some good points. But the Perl people already like
Perl, and the PHP people prefer something simple instead of
powerful - so you are unlikely to get too many converts. :-)
You have a valid issue in reagrd to the aparent easiness of
beginning on the web in Perl. But I
i do agree. yes, it is no question witch of the two is more powerful,
multipurpose and so on. but in all your lines i read aversion against php
in general. just count the number of programmers switching over from php to
perl because first steps in php were so much easier. i was an so where some
At 02:17 PM 04/05/2000, Oliver Schleede wrote:
>i'm sure there are a lot out there with not the slightest idea why their
>perl script don't work because the documentation only serves the already
>knowing.
The Perl docs are tough on newbies, yes. But so are the PHP docs. Quick:
how do you te
well there might be some misunderstanding due to the way i've been putting
it: php3 is very useful for webmasters *only*. i can't imagine what use
system administrators would make of the already included feature. but
speaking as a webmasters i have a lot more tasks in mind then programming.
th
From: "Michael Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> PHP also has some packages that allow templating, but
>if you're used to Perl, there's a strong probability that you will hate
PHP.
Add one data point to that. :-)
I dropped it deciding it wasn't worth the trouble. Easy for a simple
mySQL query bu
You wrote:
> scripting. it's obvious that perl is much more powerful, but since build
> 622 i know what php3 can mean... i tried to create a socket with perl (one
> server/one client side script). the 622 build implements the urgently
> required fork() (without this function the perlipc example
i'm very happy this topic's turned up and i've taken notice of it. i'm
operating 3 websites with more less dynamic content like database
interaction. php was my way of learning how to program or rather do the
scripting. it's obvious that perl is much more powerful, but since build
622 i know w
t;Any suggesions?
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> So, if you use PHP, you normally wont consider using Perl?
Actually what I meant was the opposite: if you want to use Perl, you
probably won't consider using PHP. Architectural things like the persistant
interpreter, pre-compiled scripts, and
thinking of moving it to
PHP / Perl on BSD.
Any suggesions?
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Ranga,
PHP is both a language and a dynamic Web content assembly environment. They
are meant to be used together. It's much like the relationship between
Python and Zope. Or Perl and Mason (www.masonhq.com).
I'm not saying that it can't be done, but if you plan on using Perl you may
find it easi
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