Re: Unwanted failure and FAILGOAL

Hi, On 05/11/2016 07:45 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: I have the following in a grammar rule TOP{ ^ + $ }; rule statement { '=' | { { self.panic($/, "Declaration syntax incorrect") } } }; rule endvalue { '(' ~ ')'

Re: Rationale for $!

Hi, On 01/28/2016 04:06 PM, Todd C. Olson wrote: > Is there a way to make the exception be thrown eagerly, at the devision > statement rather than waiting until use, at the say statement? Yes, 'use fatal;' Cheers, Moritz

Re: Rationale for $!

On 01/27/2016 04:32 PM, Felipe Gasper wrote: On 27 Jan 2016 10:15 AM, Moritz Lenz wrote: On 01/27/2016 03:15 PM, Felipe Gasper wrote: So, what *is* the scoping of $!? Scoped to a routine, iirc (sub, method, regex) Interesting. JavaScript programmers that I’ve known bemoan

Re: Rationale for $!

Hi, On 01/27/2016 07:17 AM, Felipe Gasper wrote: Hello, What is the purpose of having $! in Perl 6? The global variables in Perl 5 are a constant headache, prompting us to need to local()ize variables like $@, $!, and $? to avoid unforeseen consequences like RT #127386 and those

Re: Rationale for $!

On 01/27/2016 03:15 PM, Felipe Gasper wrote: So, what *is* the scoping of $!? Scoped to a routine, iirc (sub, method, regex)

Announce: Rakudo Star Release 2015.11

On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the November 2015 release of "Rakudo Star", a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the November 2015 release is available from . This Rakudo Star release comes with

Re: confused about 'try'

Hi, On 11/24/2015 06:39 AM, brad clawsie wrote: > Been playing with perl6 and it is truly amazing. > > I'm somewhat confused as to when I should should wrap subroutine > invocations with `try`. My `CATCH` clauses seem to be able to catch > thrown Exception instances if I use `try` or not.

Re: Backwards compatibility and release 1.0

On 10/15/2015 10:47 AM, Smylers wrote: Moritz Lenz writes: On 10/13/2015 10:52 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Following on the :D not :D thread, something odd stuck out. On 10/13/2015 03:17 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote: We have 390+ modules, and hand-waving away all trouble of maintaining them

Re: Backwards compatibility and release 1.0

On 10/13/2015 10:52 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Following on the :D not :D thread, something odd stuck out. On 10/13/2015 03:17 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote: But hopefully none of them breaking backwards compatibility on such a large scale. The last few backwards incompatible changes still cause

Re: To :D or not to :D

On 10/12/2015 09:51 PM, Mark Overmeer wrote: * Moritz Lenz (mor...@faui2k3.org) [151012 15:32]: . are they using :D correctly? Yes, though not everybody uses :D as much as they do. Do you check that all the parameters that your Perl 5 methods/subs receive are defined? If not, you

Re: To :D or not to :D

Hi, On 10/12/2015 03:41 PM, Mark Overmeer wrote: > > Hi all, > > Liz and Tux demonstrate powerful Perl6 code at each monthly meeting of > our Mongers in Amsterdam. Looking at their examples, I collected a few > questions of which I want to discuss the first one in this thread. > > > When I

Announce: Rakudo Star Release 2015.09

On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm excited to announce the September 2015 release of "Rakudo Star", a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the September 2015 release is available from . This Rakudo Star release comes

Announce: Rakudo Star Release 2015.03

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ## A useful, usable, early adopter distribution of Perl 6 On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the March 2015 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the March 2015

Re: S02 mistake re Blob?

Hi Darren, On 21.02.2015 08:51, Darren Duncan wrote: I notice from looking at http://design.perl6.org/S02.html that Blob is listed both as being a role and as a type. See http://design.perl6.org/S02.html#Roles for an example of the former, and

Announce: Rakudo Star Release 2015.02

## A useful, usable, early adopter distribution of Perl 6 On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the February 2015 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the February 2015 release is available from

Re: [perl #121454] Can't inline complex constraints in multisub signatures

On 03/28/2014 02:28 PM, Parrot Raiser wrote: On 3/27/14, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote: Agreed. We just need to come up with a consistent, intuitive way to handle the rest of the cases. And implement it. Whenever somebody offers a solution to a problem formulated as We just need

Re: [perl #121454] Can't inline complex constraints in multisub signatures

On 03/19/2014 11:06 AM, Damian Conway wrote: To me, the issue is: how does Perl 6 actually carry out the type inference we're doing here? And I believe it's an important question to get right, as we may eventually see Perl 6 doing more type inference...either in core, or else through some

Re: [perl #121454] Can't inline complex constraints in multisub signatures

f'up to p6l, because the ticket doesn't need the rest of the discussion. On 03/19/2014 10:21 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: On 2014-03-19, 1:20 AM, Moritz Lenz wrote: On 03/19/2014 12:45 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: Damian, Moritz, etc, It seems to me that the basic problem here is that the vertical

Re: Unexpected expansion of string with xx

On 12/20/2013 04:52 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: OK x not xx. The doubling of operators is confusing. OTOH having a single operator which two different meanings is also confusing (and very un-perlish). Cheers, Moritz

Re: Licensing: Perl 6 specification and test suite

Hi, On 11/05/2013 03:16 PM, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Kalinni Gorzkis musicdenotat...@gmail.com mailto:musicdenotat...@gmail.com wrote: Can I distribute and modify the Perl 6 specification documents and test suite under which conditions? If not, I propose

Re: Class attribute introspection

Hi Richard, On 10/28/2013 08:07 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Perhaps I am using class incorrectly, but I set up a class, then change some of the parameters in an instance of the class. Next I would like to discover what the current state of the instance is. There is a way to introspect

Re: Introduction to Synopses

Hi Richard, On 09/29/2013 07:28 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Some suggestions about documentation. Originally the Synopses were implementation oriented sumaries of the previous description base Apocalypses. That meant that the Synopses were derivative and secondary to the Apocalypses

Announce: Rakudo Star Release 2013.09

## A useful, usable, early adopter distribution of Perl 6 On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the September 2013 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the September 2013 release is available from

Rakudo Star 2013.08 released

On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the August 2013 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the August 2013 release is available from http://rakudo.org/downloads/star/. A Windows .MSI version of Rakudo star will

Re: Commensurability as Key

Hello, some clarifications below On 08/21/2013 05:19 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: * a function is a subroutine returning a scalar ( see below) fwiw we don't make that distinction in the specification; we just talk about subroutines. We can return nothing, a scalar or a non-scalar. , a

Re: Are set operations needed?

On 07/18/2013 01:07 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Are set operations needed in Perl6? No implementation of the perl6 set specification yet exists (AFAIK). You are wrong. Both rakudo and niecza implement significant subsets of the set specification. Cheers, Moritz

Announce: Rakudo Star 2013.02 released

On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the February 2013 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the February 2013 release is available from http://rakudo.org/downloads/star/. A Windows .MSI version of Rakudo star

Rakudo Star 2013.01 released

Announce: Rakudo Star - a useful, usable, early adopter distribution of Perl 6 On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the January 2013 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the January 2013 release is available

Announce: Rakudo Star 2012.12 release

Announce: Rakudo Star - a useful, usable, early adopter distribution of Perl 6 On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to announce the December 2012 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the December 2012 release is available

Re: Perl 6 in Perl 6?

On 10/18/2012 09:02 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: Something (PyPy et al) got me wondering, is it a goal in the Perl community before too long to have a (compiling) implementation of Perl 6 written entirely in Perl 6? A fair amount of the two major Perl 6 compilers, Rakudo and Niecza, are already

Re: When do named subs bind to their variables? [perl #113930]

On 07/08/2012 11:12 AM, Damian Conway wrote: Father Chrysostomos pointed out: I said when, not whether. :-) Isn't that just typical of me: confusing ontology with chronology. ;-) I'm afraid don't know the implementation details for Rakudo. It may be bound as the surrounding block is

Re: When do named subs bind to their variables? [perl #113930]

On 07/08/2012 11:12 AM, Damian Conway wrote: Father Chrysostomos pointed out: I said when, not whether. :-) Isn't that just typical of me: confusing ontology with chronology. ;-) I'm afraid don't know the implementation details for Rakudo. It may be bound as the surrounding block is

Re: [perl #113930] Lexical subs

On 07/08/2012 09:57 PM, Father Chrysostomos via RT wrote: my $x; my sub f { say $x } for 1..10 - $x { f(); } It prints Any() Any() Any() Any() Any() Any() Any() Any() Any() Any() (because Any is the default value in uninitialized variables). As an aside, you can run short Perl 6

Re: [perl6/specs] 34fddf: [S32::Str] substr is not rw anymore, but substr-rw...

On 06/09/2012 12:32 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: I noticed that subst-rw does not have is export in the definition. Does this mean that subst-rw is not available outside the module? No. All routines from the setting are available to user space code, because they are simply in an outer scope

Re: The trouble with awesome

Am 26.05.2012 21:12, schrieb Parrot Raiser: There are a lot of programmers who know several programming languages already, and who don't want to read a whole page on how to print 'Hello World', 5 pages on if-statements and while-loops and another 10 pages explaining lists and iteration.

Re: The trouble with awesome

My point is that while it started out as a way to improve/formalize Perl 5, it's developed sufficiently to the point where it is its own language and not the next version of 'perl'. But it is still a version of Perl. It might not be the next version of Perl, but it certainly the sixth version

Re: The trouble with awesome

Hallo Parrot, we are well aware that the documentation for Perl 6 is quite lacking. Any contributions in that area are greatly appreciated. Am 23.05.2012 01:35, schrieb Parrot Raiser: The problem we have is to provide a path for learning 6, that presents a comprehensible but useful subset

Re: allow .re and .im to be l-values

On 05/19/2012 06:05 AM, Siddhant Saraf wrote: sisar r: my $x = 4 + 2i; $x.re = 5; p6eval rakudo 45679a: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to a non-container␤ in block anon at /tmp/PeeJaa8bWJ:1␤␤» I think $x.re (Real part of $x) and $x.im (Imaginary part of $x) should be allowed to be l-values. What

Re: The = operator and context

Am 03.04.2012 17:10, schrieb Daniel Carrera: (1..10).WHAT # = Range() @foo = 1..10; @foo.WHAT # = Array() When you assign a range to @foo, the result is an array. Something similar happens, for example, if you assign a scalar to @foo... The context of the assignment causes Perl 6 to

Re: The = operator and context

On 04/03/2012 08:24 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote: On 3 April 2012 17:24, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote: You can, very nearly. You just need to write my @vec is Vector; because you really want to change the type of the container, not just of the contents (my Vector @vec would be an array

Re: Floating-point equality (was Re: How to make a new operator.)

On 03/25/2012 06:55 AM, Moritz Lenz wrote: I don't know if the majority of the perl6-language posters have realized it yet, but both Perl 6 and the its implementations are quite mature these days. Mature enough that such proposals should be prototyped as modules, and thoroughly tested on lots

Re: How to make a new operator.

On 03/23/2012 09:14 AM, Damian Conway wrote: it means we cannot do the same fuzziness for the endpoint, Except that we will be encouraging people to use: * = $END as their standard endpoint pattern, which will provide most of the necessary fuzz. and which will still surprise those people

Re: Floating-point equality (was Re: How to make a new operator.)

On 03/25/2012 05:59 AM, David Green wrote: On 2012-March-23, at 12:01 am, Damian Conway wrote: [...] we ought to allow for the inevitable loss of significant digits within the two preliminary division ops, and therefore compare the results with an suitably larger epsilon. That would not

Re: How to make a new operator.

On 03/23/2012 07:01 AM, Damian Conway wrote: Patrick correctly observed: On Rakudo on my system, sqrt(2) indeed produces a Num, but since floating point arithmetic doesn't result in sqrt(2) / 1 == 2 / sqrt(2), no geometric sequence is deduced and the sequence fails with unable to deduce

Re: How to make a new operator.

On 03/23/2012 05:30 AM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 03:03:09PM +1300, Martin D Kealey wrote: Question: do we support 1, 2i, -4 ... 256 I think this ought to work, but for some reason Rakudo on my system hangs whenever I try it. The problem was that infix:!=

Re: How to make a new operator.

On 03/22/2012 11:51 AM, Daniel Carrera wrote: On 22 March 2012 11:02, Carl Mäsak cma...@gmail.com wrote: 1, 2, 4 ... 100 # same as 1,2,4,8,16,32,64 That last one doesn't work on Rakudo :-( And it never will. Note that 100 is not a power of 2, and that the goal needs to match exactly.

Re: How to make a new operator.

Am 22.03.2012 17:07, schrieb Bruce Gray: I have run into the same need for something like :index, while playing with RosettaCode tasks like Continued_fraction. If you want the index, don't use series. It's easy enough to access the array elements yourself. You can do something like my @a :=

Re: How to make a new operator.

On 03/21/2012 09:07 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote: Hello, Is it possible to create a new range operator ':' such that: a:b is the same as a..b (this is the easy part) a:b:c is a range from 'a' to 'b' by steps of 'c'. For example, 2:15:3 == 2,5,8,11,14 That can be done by giving the new

Re: DBC-ish PRE and POST phasers, spec clarifications

On 03/11/2012 03:21 AM, Damian Conway wrote: Carl asked: class A { method foo($x) { PRE { $x 10 } # ... } } class B is A { method foo($a, $b, $c) { PRE { [] $a, $b, $c } # ... } } When CB.foo is

Re: Setting private attributes during object build

On 02/01/2012 11:41 PM, Carl Mäsak wrote: Getting back to the topic of the original post: I think blessall is a bad name for what's proposed, and I don't see a fantastically large need for that functionality. What's wrong with just defining a BUILD submethod in the class? The current approach

Re: Setting private attributes during object build

On 02/02/2012 07:40 AM, Damian Conway wrote: My point was that I don't want the named arguments that BUILD can take to be restricted to only the names of public attributes...which was, I thought, yary's complaint when writing: No, the complaint was that when you write self.bless(*, |%named) in

Re: Encapsulating the contents of container types

Am 09.09.2011 12:44, schrieb Carl Mäsak: Non-rw attributes, non-rw parameters, and non-rw return values all share the same mechanism. Fine. Makes sense. [...] Non-rw-ness in this case should be all the way, not one level down. (I hope I didn't change the meaning by stripping parts of your

Re: More bugs or PEBKAC

On 09/05/2011 09:03 PM, Carl Mäsak wrote: 1parrota (): 1. Should there be a way to make die behave like the Perl 5 version, reporting the place of death unless the message is terminated by \n ? The \n no longer suppresses the location indormation. I can't find a definition either way in the

Re: Underscores v Hyphens (Was: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul)

Am 24.08.2011 11:33, schrieb Carl Mäsak: Damian (), Moritz (), Smylers (): ... why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? ... low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. So the idea is that if Perl 6 has an

Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul

Am 23.08.2011 10:46, schrieb Damian Conway: It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while

Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul

Am 23.08.2011 10:56, schrieb Moritz Lenz: And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Never mind?

Re: Encapsulating the contents of container types

On 08/21/2011 06:00 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 04:41:08PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: I believe the general solution to this problem is to make all objects immutable, with the only exception being explicit references, and so mutating an object

Re: Close($file) required in Perl 6, unlike Perl 5

On 07/13/2011 10:00 PM, Parrot Raiser wrote: The following program: my $skeleton = bones\n; my $new_file = grave; my $handle = open($new_file, :w); $handle.print($skeleton); opens the grave file, but leaves it empty. A last line: close($handle);# close() generates an error

Re: Bug?

On 07/14/2011 11:47 PM, Parrot Raiser wrote: When a subroutine is invoked with an empty parameter list, as follows: run_stuff(); sub run_stuff { my ($parm) = @_; say Parameter is $parm; } @_[0] contains Any(). Not Any(), but Any (which say() prints as Any() to ease

Re: Base conversion: not enough rope

On 05/06/2011 10:25 PM, Carl Mäsak wrote: S02:3185-3280 does a nice job of explaining what can and cannot be done with the radix syntax (i.e. :21010 etc). I'm left with two questions, however: * If :21010 is the way to way to interpret a string as a number in base two, giving the number 10

Re: eval should throw an exception on compile error

On 05/07/2011 07:45 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: I was just playing around with eval, trying to figure out if you can define an operator overload at runtime (seems you can't, good) and noticed this in the spec... [1] Returns whatever $code returns, or fails. How does one get the

Re: lol context and X

On 03/31/2011 11:16 PM, Aaron Sherman wrote: # parens on the arglist causes flattening? $ ../rakudo/perl6 -e 'for 1 .. 2 X 4 .. 5 - ($a, $b) { say $a.perl, $b.perl }' Not enough positional parameters passed; got 0 but expected 2 in sub-signature The error message already tells you that you

Re: spell check in code

On 03/17/2011 09:55 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: It occurs to me, both from my own experience in writing code as well as seeing some production code by others, that spell-checking may be useful in programming languages. To be specific, often user-defined entities such as variable or routine

[perl #81548] [BUG] Can't do 'handles' on a type in Rakudo

FWIW 'has $!a handles TypeObject' is now implemented, and works fine for roles. It doesn't work for classes, because they have a .new method. So the standard .new is overridden, trying to call the .new on an attribute, but since there's no instance yet, the access to the attribute fails. That's

Re: dimensionality in Perl 6

Am 19.11.2010 05:45, schrieb Jon Lang: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Carl Mäsakcma...@gmail.com wrote: Jon (): Here's my proposal for how to handle dimensionality in Perl 6: [...] Thoughts? The idea has come up before, everyone thinks that Perl 6 and unit handling are a good fit for

Re: exponentiation of Duration's

Am 17.11.2010 10:31, schrieb Kris Shannon: A recent rakudo commit [1] is a quick fix for #78896 [2] to allow exponentiation of Duration's. And it did so with a real world use case in mind. I'm uneasy with allowing this and I think the spec probably meant not to but is badly worded [3]:

Re: exponentiation of Duration's

Am 17.11.2010 12:55, schrieb Richard Hainsworth: On 11/17/10 14:03, Moritz Lenz wrote: Am 17.11.2010 10:31, schrieb Kris Shannon: $duration * $duration # WRONG, durations aren't geometric $duration * 2 # ok, a duration twice as long 2 * $duration # same What are your thoughts? I've

Re: exponentiation of Duration's

Am 17.11.2010 14:02, schrieb Oha: On 11/17/2010 01:46 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote: Just as a data point, in physics duration squared does exist. On the other hand, i can see why an Instant can't be used as a linear value: it does not have a clear origin (or zero value). That's correct

Re: exponentiation of Duration's

Am 17.11.2010 15:20, schrieb Oha: On 11/17/2010 02:56 PM, Carl Mäsak wrote: Or, by Ockham, since Duration is now deprived of its only task -- making life harder for the programmer -- remove it altogether from the language and just put a number type in its place, representing number of seconds.

Re: exponentiation of Duration's

Am 17.11.2010 17:50, schrieb Jon Lang: If I'm following this correctly, shouldn't we just say that Duration does Num? Num is a class (think floating point number). The role you're looking for is probably either Numeric or Real. If we say that Duration inherits from Rat or FatRat, it

Re: base-4 literals

On 11/16/2010 08:46 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: So, any thoughts on this? A wonderful application for a module. And don't we already have :41230 for base 4 literals? With a simple scheme that can be used up to base 36? Cheers, Moritz How thinks that Perl 6 should really become smaller over

Re: Packed arrays and assignment vs binding

On 11/14/2010 03:46 AM, Mason Kramer wrote: I understand everything you've written except the following: On Nov 13, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Worthington wrote: Hi, ... my Int @x; Where we get an array of scalar containers, each of which is only allowed to contain an Int

Re: Packed arrays and assignment vs binding

On 11/13/2010 06:09 PM, Jonathan Worthington wrote: With packed arrays, however, I'm less clear what they mean. Since the point of a packed array is compact storage, there's no chance to actually have containers. Thus does assignment to a slot in a compact array ever make sense? There's not

Re: IO Multiplexing

Hi, Am 12.11.2010 02:47, schrieb Ben Goldberg: I would like to know, is perl6 going to have something like select (with arguments created by fileno/vec), or something like IO::Select (with which the user doesn't need to know about the implementation, which happens to be done with

Re: Bag / Set ideas - making them substitutable for Arrays makes them more useful

On 11/09/2010 09:26 PM, TSa (Thomas Sandlaß) wrote: But doesn't my $x = (1,2,3); my $y = map {$^x * $^x}, $x; result in $y containing the list (1,4,9)? Not at all. The $ sigil implies a scalar, so what you get is roughly my $y = (1, 2, 3).item * (1, 2, 3).item; so $y ends up

Re: Bag / Set ideas - making them substitutable for Arrays makes them more useful

On 11/08/2010 01:51 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: Mason Kramer wrote: snip I want to propose one major change to the Bag spec: When a Bag is used as an Iterable, you get an Iterator that has each key in proportion to the number of times it appears in the Bag. snip You present some

Re: Tweaking junctions

On 10/22/2010 06:16 AM, Damian Conway wrote: That is, a C$value is an eigenstate of a C$junction if-and-only-if: $value !~~ Junction$value ~~ $junction In general this definition makes it impossible to return a list of eigenstates from the junction. Just think of junctions containing

Re: Tweaking junctions

On 11/01/2010 12:41 PM, Damian Conway wrote: Moritz wrote: $value !~~ Junction$value ~~ $junction In general this definition makes it impossible to return a list of eigenstates from the junction. Just think of junctions containing Code objects. Well, that's a deficiency in

Re: Tweaking junctions

Food for thought, a few non-junction solutions: On 10/22/2010 06:16 AM, Damian Conway wrote: # Find the list of common elements in two lists... sub intersection (@list1, @list2) { (any(@list1) any(@list2).eigenstates; } sub intersection(@list1, @list2) { uniq gather

Re: [perl6/specs] 58fe2d: [S12] spec setting and getting values of attribute...

Am 30.09.2010 10:32, schrieb Carl Mäsak: Moritz in the spec (), Damian (): After lengthy IRC discussion, we concluded that it's a good idea to provide some form of introspection that doesn't bother about perceived privacy borders, provided that the implementation makes it feasible. Wow,

Re: [perl6/specs] 58fe2d: [S12] spec setting and getting values of attribute...

Darren Duncan wrote: Carl Mäsak wrote: To summarize, I consider myself having lost that debate. I even demonstrate the complete unviability of my views (that privacy has any kind of footing in Perl 6) with the below one-liner. masak rakudo: class X { has $!foo; has $!bar; has $!baz }; say

Re: [perl6/specs] 761178: remove some some duplicate words words

Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 04:02:10PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: I do want the diffs back: its the only way I have to keep at least some idea of what is changing any why. We know that a lot of people would like to see the diffs available through the commit

Re: [perl6/specs] 761178: remove some some duplicate words words

Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 9/7/10 08:17 , nore...@github.com wrote: Commit: 7611788411e5aff5f3ae150e2da9929ee546d6d8 http://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/7611788411e5aff5f3ae150e2da9929ee546d6d8 It was nicer when these contained the actual diffs like they used to, instead of

Announce: Pugs repository move

After years of neglected maintenance, we had to shut down the pugs svn repository. It caused undue strain on the server that hosted it, and made it nearly unusable. Therefore we needed an alternative; since many active Perl 6 developers prefer git to svn anyway, we[1] decided to go with github.

Re: regex and

philippe.beauch...@bell.ca wrote: On the operator... are you saying that it would operate basically as expected... allowing sets of rules and'ed rather than or's with the | ? Yes, with the limitation that both parts separated by have to match the same length of string, so that for example

Re: pattern alternation (was Re: How are ...)

Darren Duncan wrote: David Green wrote: On 2010-08-05, at 8:27 am, Aaron Sherman wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Carl Mäsak cma...@gmail.com wrote: I see this particular thinko a lot, though. Maybe some Perl 6 lint tool or another will detect when you have a regex containing ^ at its

Re: Breaking encapsulation by detaching a private-variable-accessing method from one object and calling it on another

attribute of the lexically enclosing class at compile-time. So that re-attaching methods make them still refer to the old attribute. Not sure if it's a good idea, just food for thought. Cheeers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://perlgeek.de/ | http://perl-6.de/ | http://sudokugarden.de/

Re: S26 broken link

, if it's a concern to you. My apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this question. For infrastructural discussions, the perl6-compiler might be better suited, but we're not picky in here (I hope :-) Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://perlgeek.de/ | http://perl-6.de/ | http

Re: Perl 6 User Documentation

hackers about a commit bit on #perl6), or start your own repo somwhere (though I'd prefer it not to have too much fragmentation, so if you do, just hand out commit bits liberally, and copy the u4x stuff over to the new repo. masak, is that OK for you?). Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://perlgeek.de

Smart-matching and m//

not what we want, so there might be a need for a rule preventing the .ACCEPTS call when $_ is used on the RHS. (The previous spec with syntactic forms kinda solved the problem, the $_ topicalization re-introduced it). Cheers, Moritz -- Moritz Lenz http://perlgeek.de/ | http://perl-6.de/ | http

Re: Smart match isn't on Bool

Aaron Sherman wrote: In this code: given False { when True { say True } when False { Say False } default { say Dairy } } I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the output to be False. In this code: sub test() { True }; given 0 { when test() { say OH NOEZ } } I don't

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

Dave Whipp wrote: To squint at this slightly, in the context that we already have 0...1e10 as a sequence generator, perhaps the semantics of iterating a range should be unordered -- that is, for 0..10 - $x { ... } is treated as for (0...10).pick(*) - $x { ... } Sorry, I have

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

yary wrote: though would a parallel batch of an anonymous block be more naturally written as all(0...10) - $x { ... } # Spawn 11 threads No, hyper for 0..10 - $x { ... } # spawn as many threads # as the compiler thinks are reasonable I think one (already specced) syntax for the

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

Dave Whipp wrote: Moritz Lenz wrote: Dave Whipp wrote: for 0..10 - $x { ... } is treated as for (0...10).pick(*) - $x { ... } Sorry, I have to ask. Are you serious? Really? Ah, to reply, or not to reply, to rhetorical sarcasm ... In this case, I think I will: No sarcasm

Re: series operator issues

Am 23.07.2010 00:29, schrieb Damian Conway: However, those *are* clunky and nigh unreadable, so I certainly wouldn't object to having the index of the next generated element readily available as an explicit variable in a series' generator block. That would make all manner of evil both easier

Re: series operator issues

Hi, Am 22.07.2010 17:18, schrieb Jon Lang: When I last reviewed the writeup for the series operators, I noticed two issues: First, why is the RHS argument a list? You only ever use the first element of it; so why don't you just reference a single value? The idea is that you can continue

Re: r31755 -[S05] specifiy that .parse can invoke other subrules than TOP by name

Hi, Am 19.07.2010 04:20, schrieb Stéphane Payrard: Note that I sent a patch to that effect to p6c Jun 2 in a mail titled support of parsing from a non TOP rule Either somebody applied it, or it was superfluous - :rulerulename works in Rakudo (though I don't know if it works in nqp-rx).

Re: Suggested magic for a .. b

Ruud H.G. van Tol wrote: Aaron Sherman wrote: Having established this range for each correspondingly indexed letter, the range for multi-character strings is defined by a left-significant counting sequence. For example: Ab .. Be defines the ranges: A B and b c d e This results in

Re: Perl 6 in non-English languages

Am 23.06.2010 22:51, schrieb Aaron Sherman: Moving on to more general theories on the matter, I believe that localized dialects of programming languages are always a bad idea. I totally agree. However there are things that can be translated to other languages, and that is documentation,

Re: r31050 -[S03] refine hyper dwimminess to be more like APL, with modular semantics

Solomon Foster wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Aaron Sherman a...@ajs.com wrote: Is there some automatic translation of these examples into tests? If not, here's what they'd be: ok(( (1,2,3,4) «+» (1,2) ) ~~ (2,4,4,6) ) ok(( (1,2,3) «+» (1,2) ) ~~ (2,4,4) ) ok(( (1,2,3,4) «+«

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