Re: Logo considerations

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, jason switzer wrote: > Basically, the perl community has largely adopted TIMTOWTDI So how about a "Tim the Toady"? :) === Hodges' Rule of Thumb: Don't expect reasonable behavior from anything with a thumb.

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Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:49:42AM -0700, Jon Lang wrote: : 2009/3/24 Larry Wall : : > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf Not picking on you in particular, but I think there's a tendency to go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something with gut appeal on

Re: Logo considerations - 3 logos needed

On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 18:06 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > : Here is something then: > : http://p6.hpfamily.net/rakudo-0.png > > I like Camelia at that size, though the left-right balance is off in a > couple ways. i was informed of that but so far this is just rescaling and cut-and-paste > > : > S

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Larry Wall wrote: > > http://www.wall.org/~larry/cameliafav.ico > > out to be necessary. Hand-crafted anti-aliasing is your friend. :) > Larry > firefox at 3025%: cameliafav.ico all blown up. [groan] http://feat

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:43:47PM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: : On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 09:39 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: : > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:54:34AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: : > : On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 22:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: : > : > Additionally, while you recommended

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On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 09:39 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:54:34AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: > : On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 22:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > : > Additionally, while you recommended Camelia for Rakudo, my > : > understanding was that Larry was recomm

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:54:34AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: : On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 22:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: : > Additionally, while you recommended Camelia for Rakudo, my : > understanding was that Larry was recommending it for Perl 6 rather than : > Rakudo. This is correc

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On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 09:59 -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:36:56AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: > > Rakudo is a particular implementation of Perl 6 using Parrot. While > > it is a separate project from both Perl 6 and Parrot, it is intimately > > tied to both, and I th

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Not speaking for Larry but ... On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 22:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > My understanding was that Rakudo only runs on top of Parrot. Either > way, I don't see why we need a logo for Parrot + Rakudo, any more than we need I think it's a logo for Rakudo = Parrot + Per

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:36:56AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: > Rakudo is a particular implementation of Perl 6 using Parrot. While > it is a separate project from both Perl 6 and Parrot, it is intimately > tied to both, and I think its logo should reflect that. I don't see > much point in having

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Perl 6 is more than just the test suite. It's a language specification, a reference parser, a test suite, and perhaps a reference setting implementation. All of the things about the language that are not tied to a particular implementation are part of "Perl 6". Rakudo is a particular implementat

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> > > But IMHO there is a need for three logos: > > 1. Combined Parrot + Rakudo > > (Parrot with speech bubbles in favicon halo)++ > > > 2. Rakudo > > Camelia++ > > > 3. "Perl6 = the test suite" > > The current plan is that Perl6 will not have a single implementation but > that the test suite is

Re: Logo considerations - 3 logos needed

I like the "Camelia" it's colourful, fun - it even has an embedded, sideways reference to a "Camel". But IMHO there is a need for three logos: 1. Combined Parrot + Rakudo I like the suggestion of having cartoon "speech bubbles" around the Parrot that contain favicons of the language icons (e.g.,

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On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 10:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > In response to those asking for a professional designer, I'd like to > see us go around a few more times here, and see if we can't come up with at > least a good concept that could hopefully be used/stylised by a real graphic

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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Nigel Hamilton wrote: I like the "Camelia" it's colourful, fun - it even has an embedded, sideways reference to a "Camel". But IMHO there is a need for three logos: I'm not so sure 1. Combined Parrot + Rakudo [snip] 2. Rakudo My understanding was that Raku

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On Tuesday, 24. March 2009 05:47:12 Darren Duncan wrote: > If you're going for sciencey or mathey illustrations, then I think its > important to include something that speaks quantum physics in there, since > quantum superpositions aka Junctions are one of the big central user > features that Perl

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jason switzer writes: > [warning: light-hearted humor ahead] > There's also the notion that perl6's scope has creeped to accommodate a > large enough set of ideas. Seems like an appropriate logo: > > http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=kitchen+sink I kinda liked that one – back when

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Firstly, I'd like to speak in favour of the idea of designing a logo for Perl6, and then creating a Rakudo logo based on the Perl6 logo and the Parrot logo. From here on, I'll be addressing the Perl6 logo. On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:49:42AM -0700, Jon

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM, James Fuller wrote: > Is there any sponsorship money to spend on a very good graphic > designer to create something based on a small list of requirements as > to what meaning it should convey ? > I would agree; have a professional do it and we'll probably get bett

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On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 10:37 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention that Camelia's larval form was a dromedary, well that might have given us a clue > and she's actually got a wingspan of about 3 meters. You really > don't want to get her mad. (It is rumored that she has a very > sma

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:16:01AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf I gotta say, that these are the first 2 that I even remotely like. I especially like how the "P" and the "6" are in the wings. I think what appeals to me is that they are simple, easy to look at, a

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On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 21:10 +0100, James Fuller wrote: > creating a logo by committee is probably the worst way to design such > things ... perl6 logo will be seen in the context of other more > professionally designed logos and like it or not using the basics of I hate the java stuff (professiona

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2009/3/24 Larry Wall : > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf > Intended or not, the smiley is a nice tribute to Audrey and her lovely style of presentations. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni heb: http://haharoni.wordpress.com | eng: http://aharoni.wordpress.com cat: http://aprenent.wordpress.com | rus

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to further comment, I would never believe a logo actually influences which programming languages one chooses to develop in ... but I would argue that a logo needs to convey the right 'messages' to those who pay for software projects ... as with any logo; my point is to identify these messages prior

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On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 11:38 -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote: > Here's my latest suggestion: > > http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm > > It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below) > and Ross Kendall's suggestions at > (http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas). > > For a

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On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 10:24 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > Not picking on you in particular, but I think there's a tendency to > go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something [snip] > In addition, you can extend just about anything by attaching "P6" > wings to it. I also take it as

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On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 09:16 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf It's nice but I don't get it. google: camelia http://camelia.sourceforge.net/ http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plants/camelia/ http://www.hotelcamelia.com/ http://akira.ruc.dk/~camelia/ http://en.wikipedia.o

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On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 08:42 -0700, Paul Hodges wrote: > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald wrote: > > > The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon > > ring be used as the logo for Parrot... Did you mean Rakudo here ? Parrot seems to have a logo already. > > A carbon ring also ha

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Larry Wall wrote: And in fact, the >>ö<< form looks more like a Hyper Attack Butterfly that is about to bite your face off... :) Her topmodel looks very hexagonal. |_| / \ -/ \- | | -\ /- \-/ | | -- Ruud

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creating a logo by committee is probably the worst way to design such things ... perl6 logo will be seen in the context of other more professionally designed logos and like it or not using the basics of modern branding and marketing will result in something that is more recognizable no matter

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> From: Guy Hulbert [mailto:gwhulb...@eol.ca] > On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 11:38 -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote: > > Here's my latest suggestion: > > > > http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm > > > > It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below) > > and Ross Kendall's suggestions at > >

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:24:47AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > I want something > with gut appeal on the order of Tux. In particular I want a logo > for Perl 6 that is: > > Fun > Cool > Cute > Named > Lively > Punable > [...] +2 to this approach. Pm

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> -Original Message- > From: Conrad Schneiker [mailto:conrad.schnei...@gmail.com] > Here's my latest suggestion: > > http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm > > It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below) > and Ross Kendall's suggestions at > (http://www.rakudo.org/some

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hneiker www.AthenaLab.com > -Original Message- > From: Damian Conway [mailto:dam...@conway.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:40 AM > To: Conrad Schneiker > Cc: Perl6 > Subject: Re: Logo considerations > > Conrad Schneiker suggested: > > > Graphene has amazing ele

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:33:41PM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: : I was unaware of mysogyny in the perl community. I'm sorry to hear : about it. In general it's not overt as it is in other communities, or even intended--I think we do pretty well, in fact--but it's easy to discourage people unintenti

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You folks should really consider the oyster as perl's mascot. The mother of pearl relationship is too good to pass up and I'll bet that someone will come up with a bi-valve operator soon. -- --> A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't <--

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Oh, I forgot to mention that Camelia's larval form was a dromedary, and she's actually got a wingspan of about 3 meters. You really don't want to get her mad. (It is rumored that she has a very small hump, but if so, she shows it only to her close friends.) She was genetically engineered while me

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:49:42AM -0700, Jon Lang wrote: : 2009/3/24 Larry Wall : : > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf : : Cute. I do like the hyper-operated smiley-face. : : What I'd really like to see, though, is a logo that speaks to Perl's : linguistic roots. That, more than anything

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:49:42AM -0700, Jon Lang wrote: > 2009/3/24 Larry Wall : > > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf > > Cute. I do like the hyper-operated smiley-face. > > What I'd really like to see, though, is a logo that speaks to Perl's > linguistic roots. That, more than anything

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2009/3/24 Larry Wall : > http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf Cute. I do like the hyper-operated smiley-face. What I'd really like to see, though, is a logo that speaks to Perl's linguistic roots. That, more than anything else I can think of, is _the_ defining feature of Perl. -- Jonathan "

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http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:56:46AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 08:42 -0700, Paul Hodges wrote: > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald wrote: > > > > > The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon > > > ring be used as the logo for Parrot... > > Did you mean Rakud

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--- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald wrote: > The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon > ring be used as the logo for Parrot...   A carbon ring also has the advantages that it's regognizable as a very small logo, even as just a favicon.ico, and can be reasonably if stylistically r

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:17:15AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: > Are we seeking a logo for Perl 6 in general or Rakudo in particular? > It seems like the latter should be derived from the former, perhaps > with the Parrot logo mixed in. The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon ring be

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On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:15 -0400, Daniel Ruoso wrote: are you suggesting that the cat should be eating a parrot in the rakudo logo? Haha... that's pretty funny. -- ispy++

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Em Ter, 2009-03-24 às 09:17 -0400, Mark J. Reed escreveu: > Are we seeking a logo for Perl 6 in general or Rakudo in particular? > It seems like the latter should be derived from the former, perhaps > with the Parrot logo mixed in. are you suggesting that the cat should be eating a parrot in the r

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Are we seeking a logo for Perl 6 in general or Rakudo in particular? It seems like the latter should be derived from the former, perhaps with the Parrot logo mixed in. On 3/24/09, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > Em Ter, 2009-03-24 às 09:01 -0300, Daniel Ruoso escreveu: >> A zombie cat? > > While I wasn't r

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Em Ter, 2009-03-24 às 09:01 -0300, Daniel Ruoso escreveu: > A zombie cat? While I wasn't really serious about it... <>

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Em Seg, 2009-03-23 às 21:47 -0700, Darren Duncan escreveu: > If you're going for sciencey or mathey illustrations, then I think its > important > to include something that speaks quantum physics in there, since quantum > superpositions aka Junctions are one of the big central user features that

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On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Damian Conway wrote: Earlier I wrote: Maybe just something like one of the attached graphics (only redone by someone with actual graphical design skills ;-)? It occurs to me that this comment might be misread as an implied criticism of Conrad's original artwork as well.

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Earlier I wrote: > Maybe just something like one of the attached graphics > (only redone by someone with actual graphical design skills ;-)? It occurs to me that this comment might be misread as an implied criticism of Conrad's original artwork as well. Just wanted to make it very clear that was

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Replying to myself on the quantum thing, as I mentioned an image involving an transparent overlap of two generally mutually exclusive things (each a very simple image for the logo's sake) could have all sorts of symbolism. I mentioned the Junctions meaning already, but I wanted to add that in g

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I think if the logo alluded to something revolving around a xmas present would be appropriate. -Jim Fuller

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Richard (>): > There seem to be a lot of animals attached to software things, such as a > camel, but also a penguin and a parrot. > > So how about choosing another animal for perl6? For some reason, when I think of Rakudo Perl 6, I imagine something quite close to Futurama's Nibbler.

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Timothy S. Nelson wrote [on p6l]: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Richard Hainsworth wrote: Alternatively, if we stay away from animals, then how about something to do with parallelism, or super-positioning, or even a strange attractor, since perl6 can be st

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On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Richard Hainsworth wrote: My choice would be a lion, perhaps one lazing in the sun. The meaning that it is lazy, but it has raw power when it needs, and is the king of the jungle. Is there a way we can also show it t

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Richard Hainsworth wrote: My choice would be a lion, perhaps one lazing in the sun. The meaning that it is lazy, but it has raw power when it needs, and is the king of the jungle. Is there a way we can also show it to be impatient and hubristic? :) Alternatively,

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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:22, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Hats off to the designer of the gimel symbol - the associations with anarchy > are probably right for perl6. But to be honest, a letter didnt quite inspire > me. Since, I dont want to criticize without providing other ideas, here are > som