Just for those who don't read perl6-language, ESR has come on and is
reevaluating his statements. For the record, he gave Java and TCL a
much harder time.
I had posted this up on the perl-qa list, but it was suggested its
also applicable to perl-meta. Please send all replies to either
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and not perl6-meta).
As I said, I'm an awful administrator. I have enough trouble
remembering what I'm supposed to be d
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear on the "mailing list organization" bit.
What the job really is, someone to spot out-of-control threads (for
instance, the "par" discussion on perl6-language), split off a new
mailing list for it (by requesting from Ask), appointing a chair
(probably the person wh
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 08:57:02PM -0500, Bryan C . Warnock wrote:
> Particularly after this:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html?tag=ltnc
"Innovation-- you keep using this word, I do not think it means what
you think it means."
with some spare CPU ticks, and RC5 has gotten
old, step forward. The weirder the setup the better.
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No. This is silly. End of discussion.
PS I'm also an active non-smoker.
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f he
comes, we'll be saved.
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one of this ports lagging behind a
few versions while they fix everything up.
Anyhow, this is just the old Open vs Closed source debates rehashed.
Except s/Closed/Community License/
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x27;perl' under
the AL.
I don't think such a thing has ever happened to a major Open Source
project, this doesn't worry me. The license squabbling between the
various BSD's is similar, but they're all still Open.
> where would Perl6 go?
Same place its going rig
written in POD by programmers. For all intents and purposes, its
code.
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But why? It's such a well designed cesspool of C++ code
minimum.
I wrote a proto RFC on this subject a few months ago ("RFC: A Test For
Every Patch") and Ziggy and I discussed the bare bones of it at TPC.
I'll dust it off and resubmit it in the proper format.
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;', 'RFC and 6', and 'RFC && 6' all turned up 2386 messages in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] each about RFCs. The 6 was apparently
ignored. I've regressed to simply clicking on "Earlier messages" and
searching each page.
Is there any sort of power search I'm m
in the documentation.
> The extraction and application of the tests will need to be part of
> the build process.
This part will be almost trivial.
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p://www.refactoring.com/
Bill Opdyke's original thesis paper on the subject is here
ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/pub/papers/refactoring/
> Also, don't you want to refer more to 'unit tests', rather than
> regression testing
They could be called "Mr. Wosabe tests" for all I
h and play.
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When faced with desperate circumstances, we must adapt.
- Seven of Nine
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:52:18PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Then we can hear informed criticism and perhaps modify the plan if a
> better system is suggested.
Could we split this off into a working group and mailing list seperate
from perl6-meta?
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On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:48:57PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Michael G Schwern writes:
> > There's one solution, now that we have a nifty source control stuff.
> > Branch like mad! Feature creep should be discouraged, but if a group
> > wants to go off and wor
newbies and produce a large amount of code
libraries which could be used outside of perl.
Let me write this out completely before anyone really tears into the idea.
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five. Wait until you get home.
Had we sat on it for a week before making a public announcement
strategic people would have been back at their computers to head off
the shock and confusion that errupted.
Of course, then Larry wouldn't have had his thunder.
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On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:47:00AM -0700, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
> subscribe by sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe.
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I've an idea to cut down and weed out the huge number of RFCs we have.
Its written out below.
=pod
=head1 TITLE
Prototype implementations for RFCs.
=head1 VERSION
Maintainer: Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon Sep 4 21:11:56 EDT 2000
Version:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 12:57:47AM -0400, Chaim Frenkel wrote:
> >>>>> "MGS" == Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> MGS> =head1 ABSTRACT
>
> MGS> RFCs should be followed by a prototype implementation of their
> MGS> pro
it, fine. This all falls under the category of "find someone
who does".
Its all flexible. I forgot to put my usual "there will be exceptions"
clause into the RFC.
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On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 04:06:49PM -0400, John Porter wrote:
> Michael G Schwern wrote:
> > Its all flexible. I forgot to put my usual "there will be exceptions"
> > clause into the RFC.
>
> If I'm allowed to interpret it to mean "There IS no Rule #6&quo
sing a vitual piece of the system (that being, a quantum
supercomputer).
For a bare simple, stupid example of a source filter, Semi::Semicolons
is about as simple (and stupid) as you can get.
I just implemented a prototype for RFC 208 (crypt with default salt).
It took me about 15 minutes.
(http:/
nces.
That's the whole point of prototyping.
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On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 05:38:59PM -0400, John Porter wrote:
> Maybe ALL of p6 should be prototyped using one giant filter?
That would be basically what the p52p6 translator will be.
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gt; on Perl6 development, and the other interested people don't realize
> the RFC is about to be discarded?
Presumably the discarding will be heralded with an announcement on the
mailing list, as well as a note to the maintainer. The interested
parties should see this and yell.
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a response. :)
Seriously. If it looks like there's no interest, announce (loudly)
that you're withdrawing it. That should nudge the lurkers into
action.
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On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 05:44:38PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Schwern wrote:
> > Seperating the men from the boys.
>
> I'll just go get my detachable penis :)
That's easily solved with the Tie::Penis module.
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g on
Perl 6, could we push this deadline back about two weeks?
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flatulent no more,
I only make large bubbles
of paste from my ass.
-- japhy
ly developing again. The
new RFC will require review. Then the maintainer can change the
status back to frozen, or continue updating.
'Biologists have a term for things which are stable. It is "dead".'
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nugget in everyone's brain. Perl without
perl, make it work.
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Cherry blossoms fall
I hurry to my final
boiling paste enema.
-- mjd
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:03:06AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> So we have until October 1 to freeze all the RFCs.
I love you, man!
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On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 01:59:30PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It may be good for rapid development projects, but I don't think we
> > should apply it to Perl.
>
> I want to be able to do it with Perl. Not sure
mp and snag in Perl we may cross some
imaginary line and have syntactical gridlock where the language design
descends into a morass of continual minor adjustment. By backing off
we can often find a much more sweeping solution than just putting up
lights on every corner. A perfect example is L
notwithstanding). The move from 5.005_03 to
5.6.0 style was jarring enough (and fairly well justified). Its been
so long since we've had an integer increment that it should be fairly
shocking.
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5's
internals would probably take just as long.
PS Debian's got 5.6.1 in testing, its certainly not rejected, they're
just a bit slow on the uptake.
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ations foul-up here. We're definately
providing some sort of Perl 5 translator/adaptor system and we're
definately writing it. In fact, it was hotly debated on
perl6-language just recently exactly how to do it cleanly.
Have I missed something? Have you missed something?
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this somewhere?
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The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary
funksmanship.
sr/bin/perl will still parse Perl 5 (the exact magic is not yet
nailed down).
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If you have to shoot, shoot! Don't talk.
y slow to release 'stable' distributions. The
current 'testing' branch has been going on for quite some time.
> FreeBSD comes to mind, among others.
FreeBSD is also historically *very* slow about upgrading perl. They
were one of the last hold-outs to upgrading /usr/bi
yes, there will be something for programs as well.
For further details, see:
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00285.html
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Let me check my notes...
On some date someone wrote:
> : >option in (say) perl5.8 which would allow folk to find typeglobs etc,
> : >and adjust code in advance.
It should be possible to do most of this externally as a B module.
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chapter 5 of MM-M once again.
PS Someone's going to argue that Perl 6 isn't a second system, its
the Nth system. The exact value of N doesn't really matter, we're
still very much in danger of the second system effect.
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more possible).
Perhaps instead of proposing a fork, you could write up a new man
page, "perlsmall" or something, describing just those "useful"
features of Perl as a small utility language (enhanced shell
scripting) and ignoring the "useless" stuff like OO and threads
ot more productive than just pining about the olden days when
men were men, Perl was small and 640K was enough for anyone.
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...and I p
I thought was on perl.com but I can't find at the moment. Maybe
it was in TPJ.
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Follow me to certain death!
http://www.unamerican.com/
owing your wooden shoes in
the cogs of progress and start helping. Go to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
start up a perlsmall man page.
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How can
exactly the sort of packaging
tool you're looking for. Since NAPC will produce, essentially, a
"binary" package, you can just translate that into a solaris package.
Anyhow, I think we've beaten this topic to death. Point is, Perl's
installation isn't any worse than Java and possibly better.
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Schwern Unit: a positive but insignificant quantity
similar packaging system. Otherwise, you can use CPAN::Site to set
up a local CPAN repository which overlays your own. Or you can set up
your own local CPAN mirror of approved modules. After that its all
cron jobs.
Making it easier to do those last two is a good way to go. That an
Ingy's NAP
knows not how to ask...)
Might I suggest we take a page from Perl and simply make everything
dual licensed?
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