Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct plan

Josh Berkus wrote: > 1. The Core Team will appoint an exploration committee which will look > at various proposals (including the one drafted on pgsql-general) for > CoCs and discuss them. To follow up on this ... The Core Team are pleased to announce that Stacey Haysler has

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct plan

The Code of Conducts basically amount to a "code of wrongthink". This can be best described when some of their advocates, like for example in the Node project make respositories called "mansplain" and "misandry", or when speakers at OSCON are caught with mugs reading "male tears" and using the

[GENERAL] Code of Conduct plan

Community members: A number of people have contacted the Core Team about taking action regarding a Code of Conduct (CoC) for the project. After some discussion, the plan we have come up with is below. **Please do not reply-all to this email, as we do not wish to generate additional list traffic

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 1/12/2016 11:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote: > >> >> One of the nice things about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is that it >> focuses primarily on the positive. It is long, perhaps overly verbose, but >> it does focus on

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 1/12/2016 11:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote: One of the nice things about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is that it focuses primarily on the positive. It is long, perhaps overly verbose, but it does focus on what the community wants rather than what the community wants to avoid. It is easy to

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 08:47:16AM -0800, Joshua Drake wrote: > Hello, > > I had a hard time writing this email. I think Code of Conducts are > non-essential, a waste of respectful people's time and frankly if > you are going to be a jerk, our community will call you out on it. > Unfortunately a

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:21 PM, James Keener wrote: > This line has already been substantially changes. Can we keep discussion > of the language of the WIP in the thread meant for it? This way people > don't waste time discussing language which no longer exists. > I think

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

.@pcorp.us> > *Cc:* Buford Tannen <buf...@biffco.net>; Joshua D. Drake < > j...@commandprompt.com>; Brian Dunavant <br...@omniti.com>; Scott Mead < > sco...@openscg.com>; Adrian Klaver <adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>; Gavin > Flower <gavinflo...@archidevsys.c

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

A couple thoughts rather late to the discussion from a more international perspective. I remember a lecture I saw by a comparative law professor (the lecture was about why many Danes are unhappy with the EU pressures on their tradition of law and the general lack of subsidiarity in the EU) who

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

ead <sco...@openscg.com>; Adrian Klaver <adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>; Gavin Flower <gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz>; PostgreSQL General <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? A couple thoughts rather late to the discussion fro

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Jan 12, 2016 9:48 AM, "Regina Obe" wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> >> For a Coc – I think it should be light, but make it clear that we do not tolerate strangers coming into our group and demanding us to accept their code, cause we want to be welcoming and show we have at least 15% of

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 12 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Travers wrote: > One of the dangers of a CoC is that there are many potential issues which > may or may not become real problems. I think if we try to be clear on all > of them, then we risk creating codes instead of a general

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Chris, >> For a Coc – I think it should be light, but make it clear that we do not >> tolerate strangers coming into our group and demanding us to accept their >> code, cause we want to be welcoming and show we have at least 15% of code >> contributions from women. > One of the dangers of

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > All because somebody just *had* to personally insult someone else, > repeatedly, and nobody thought that was a bad thing, and when the > recipient finally objected, the objection was chalked up to him or her > valuing

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Vick Khera wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> All because somebody just *had* to personally insult someone else, >> repeatedly, and nobody thought that was a bad thing, and when the >>

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> On 12 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Travers wrote: >> One of the dangers of a CoC is that there are many potential issues >> which may or may not become real problems. I think if we try to be >> clear on all of them, then we risk creating codes instead of a general

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

This line has already been substantially changes. Can we keep discussion of the language of the WIP in the thread meant for it? This way people don't waste time discussing language which no longer exists. Jim On January 12, 2016 9:17:55 AM EST, Neil Tiffin wrote: > >> On

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 05/01/2016 18:47, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, I had a hard time writing this email. I think Code of Conducts are non-essential, a waste of respectful people's time and frankly if you are going to be a jerk, our community will call you out on it. Unfortunately a lot of people don't agree

German, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> To add to that, non-native speakers sometimes make mistakes that set > it off. I remember an embarrassing case where I thought the word > "gross" came from the German "Grosshaft", which means quite the > opposite (great, fabulous), and responded to a new idea on a list with > a heartily meant

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 1/12/2016 5:42 AM, Regina Obe wrote: a) Some people won't feel welcome if they don't see one b) Malicious people will spread rumors about our project for not having one , but if we have one, it has to protect us from them working within the rules, but pushing everyone's buttons. c) and if

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Kevin Grittner writes: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >> I thought we were already at that point; see Regina Obe's posts. > Oh, are you referring to this:? > http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/001201d14c96$fc26ed70$f474c850$@pcorp.us

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

Sent: 11 January 2016 22:00 To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe' Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC) Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global D

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free > comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical > appearance, body size or race. ... for of _off-topic_ comments related to ... Since

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Steve, Please see the new thread WIP: CoC V2 -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:42 PM, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) wrote: Five days (and I don't know how many posts) ago, there was this: http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20160106184818.gt21...@crankycanuck.ca Which said in part: > The other thing I note is that the

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

"Regina Obe" writes: > How would you feel about the original thread that started this. > https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 > I would dismiss her as a troll and kindly say, don't tell us who we can have > and who we can't. Hm ... that thread makes me uncomfortable, because I

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

On 01/11/2016 02:08 PM, Adrian Klaver wrote: On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

22:00 > To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe' > Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC) > > Hello, > > Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: >

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

Adrian Klaver wrote: > On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free > >comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical > >appearance, body size or race. > > Well that renders this thread: > >

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

On 12/01/16 11:21, Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size or race. ... for of

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

22:21 To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC) On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is > free comments related to gender, sexual orien

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Kevin Grittner writes: > I'm going to give this a belated +1, and ignore any further posts on > this thread. > If someone wants to take the step of posting a concrete proposal, > please start a new thread with a different subject line. I thought we were already at that point;

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Kevin Grittner writes: >> If someone wants to take the step of posting a concrete proposal, >> please start a new thread with a different subject line. > > I thought we were already at that point; see

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:00:23 -0800 "Joshua D. Drake" wrote: > A CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is > purely a recipients response and usually because the recipient is > more interested in being a victim than moving forward. I've seen text like

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Kevin Grittner writes: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote: >> How would you feel about the original thread that started this. >> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 > I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread > with

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

ALL: Please move comments to the new thread: WIP: CoC -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 01/11/2016 01:36 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Kevin Grittner wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote: How would you feel about the original thread that started this. https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Regina Obe wrote: > > If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym. > Notwithstanding the most regrettable childhood trauma, this request is > exactly the kind of ridiculousness that the Political Correctness nonsense > associated with CoCs that we should be worried about in the

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project: PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC): 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a safe, respectful, productive, and

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

Regina Obe wrote: If I had a Coc to point at, I would point at the section I feel you are violating. +1 funny! -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Regina Obe wrote: If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym. Notwithstanding the most regrettable childhood trauma, this request is exactly the kind of ridiculousness that the Political Correctness nonsense associated with CoCs that we should be worried about in the

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

Geoff Winkless wrote: On 11 January 2016 at 20:13, Regina Obe wrote: While this is funny to some, I don't think it adds value to this conversation. I would consider it a derailment and not very helpful. If I had a Coc to point at, I would point at the section I feel you are

Re: Things to notice (was Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?, broken thread I hope)

On 11/01/16 15:00, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Someone (never mind who, this isn't intended to be a blame-game message) wrote: Am I, as a mere male […] :-) It was me. The phrase "Mere Male" was title of a column I read in NZ Women's Weekly that my mother bought when I was a teenager. >>> An

Re: Russian, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 1/11/16, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > >> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, >> we >> in Russia are not really concern about this. > > Russian offers a "Mr.Bartunov" and a

Re: Russian, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 01:50:50AM -0800, Vitaly Burovoy wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > > > >> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, > >> we > >> in Russia are not really concern about this. > > > > Russian offers a

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 11/01/16 19:13, Oleg Bartunov wrote: [...] Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we in Russia are not really concern about this. [...] I started using 'Gender Appropriate' language long before this PC nonsense started up. Back in those days the word

Japanese, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:27:43PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > > Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we > > in Russia are not really concern about this. > > This depends on how

Re: Japanese, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On понедельник, 11 января 2016 г. 12:24:37 MSK, Karsten Hilbert wrote: OTOH, there's a whole bunch of words denoting levels and sublevels of politeness for each and every situation. Politeness but not gender differences. Perhaps just for kids (-chan/-kun). -- Yury Zhuravlev Postgres

Russian, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we > in Russia are not really concern about this. Russian offers a "Mr.Bartunov" and a "Mrs.Bartunova". Am I mistaken ? Karsten Hilbert -- GPG key ID

Re: Japanese, was: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:57:11PM +0300, Yury Zhuravlev wrote: > >OTOH, there's a whole bunch of words denoting levels and > >sublevels of politeness for each and every situation. > Politeness but not gender differences. Perhaps just for kids (-chan/-kun). Well, traditionally not. But

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Tom Lane wrote: > In my admittedly-limited experience with dealing with such problems, > it's a lot easier to achieve positive results if you can discuss > issues in private, before people's positions harden. > > In short, I wouldn't characterize that complainant as "a troll" for > the substance

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

On 11 January 2016 at 21:11, Regina Obe wrote: > The Coc allows light-hearted humor, I'm so disappointed you didn't get my > clever punning in my last email. I thought it was a treasure. Hah! The irony is I had deliberately avoided making the obvious gag because I've been

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

On 1/11/2016 1:11 PM, Regina Obe wrote: On further observation, I realize it can be used as a testcase to test the strength of this Coc. So I stand corrected this is quite relevant and useful to this discussion. In fact, I think we should package all these and use them in regression tests

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

On 01/11/2016 01:20 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 1/11/2016 1:11 PM, Regina Obe wrote: On further observation, I realize it can be used as a testcase to test the strength of this Coc. So I stand corrected this is quite relevant and useful to this discussion. In fact, I think we should package

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote: > How would you feel about the original thread that started this. > > https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread with (when I looked) 374 messages, but if the gist of

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Kevin Grittner wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote: > > > How would you feel about the original thread that started this. > > > > https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 > > I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread > with (when I

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

I don't know about others. But this whole thread has completely gone off the original track. With so many splinter topics. It has no hope of ever completing with any kind of resolution satisfying even 10% of contributors. Can be please stick to the core original topics? Whether we agree with

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

"Regina Obe" writes: > Sorry screwed up sending this email the first time. Trying again: >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote: >>> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make >>> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

Geoff, > If there were a CoC that would explicitly disallow occasional lighthearted > humour to a non-development list that is intended to offend no-one then I > would most definitely remove myself from such a project. > Some may consider that a positive thing, but I would like to think that

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

On 11 January 2016 at 20:13, Regina Obe wrote: > While this is funny to some, I don't think it adds value to this > conversation. I would consider it a derailment and not very helpful. > > If I had a Coc to point at, I would point at the section I feel you are > violating. If

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> Hmm. I'm not sure that telling us that should amount to an offense; such a person might even have a good idea from time to time. > Now, if the person is rude about it, that would be an offense, but that should already be covered under other sections of the CoC no? > Another possibly

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote: > >>> JD >> >> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor >> I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as >> you >

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Buford Tannen wrote: Regina Obe wrote: Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be dangerous. ... So please whatever you do, ... do not choose this one or anything that looks like it:

Re: Things to notice (was Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?, broken thread I hope)

Hi, On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:10:23PM +1300, Gavin Flower wrote: > The phrase "Mere Male" was title of a column I read in NZ Women's Weekly > that my mother bought when I was a teenager. That's nice. I still found it offensive enough in the context to think it worthy of note. (I'm not really

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

On 01/11/2016 10:16 AM, Bret Stern wrote: Maybe Trump should write this Unfortunately Trump would likely not follow the CoC. Thank you for the troll. JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development.

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

>ISTM that if we develop a code of conduct, it would need to be designed to > insulate the community and individuals within it from becoming targets of > legal action. "Mike said I was bad at postgres, it hurt my consulting and I > want to sue Joe for replying-all and upping the hit-count

[GENERAL] Code of Conduct

Maybe Trump should write this

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Brian, >> We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same >> in a kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and >> the person didn't mean harm by it, >> >> simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues. If the person >> continues or they say

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Hello, A lot of good discussion has happened on this thread and as a whole I think it has been determined that if done correctly, a CoC would not be a bad idea. Of course we need to write one. A CoC is about providing a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same in a > kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and the person > didn't mean harm by it, > > simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues. If the person > continues or they say something you feel

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

'Gavin Flower' <gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz>; 'PostgreSQL General' <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? Hello, A lot of good discussion has happened on this thread and as a whole I think it has been determined that if done corr

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote: > HANDLING ISSUES ... > If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make > demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and > request you to change or leave. May I kindly ask for a bit more explanation on this

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> Regina, > Although I can appreciate your sensitivity to the terminology based on your > experience (and I am very sorry to read about that), I don't think it is > reasonable to change from an Industry Standard acronym on that basis. > Sincerely, > JD Fair enough. -- Sent via

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

Gosh, I've got a lot of love for CoCs; I've heard great things, really good things, some things, about CoCs, that some of them have been really helping in a yuge way with some fantastic projects. Sometimes some people, a lot of people, have said that I could write a CoC, and you know, I think

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct

Geoff, > Gosh, I've got a lot of love for CoCs; I've heard great things, really good > things, some things, about CoCs, that some of them have been really helping > in a yuge way with some fantastic projects. > Sometimes some people, a lot of people, have said that I could write a CoC, > and

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Sorry screwed up sending this email the first time. Trying again: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote: >> HANDLING ISSUES >... >> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make >> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and >> request you

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 01/11/2016 11:10 AM, Regina Obe wrote: Josh, If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym. I'm going to say something very sensitive here, so don't think I am joking. When I was 5 I was raped by a next door neighbor. Everytime I here people talk about Cocs and how silencing

Things to notice (was Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?, broken thread I hope)

Someone (never mind who, this isn't intended to be a blame-game message) wrote: > Am I, as a mere male […] :-) Even with the smiley, _this_ is the sort of thing that causes discussions to wander into hopeless weeds from which projects cannot emerge. I _know_ it is tempting to make this kind of

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Regina Obe wrote: > > On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote: > > >> So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold: > >> > >> A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular > >> community. > >> B) Provide a process for how to resolve things

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we > in Russia are not really concern about this. This depends on how the language is built. For example in French I think it would matter (not

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 10/01/16 22:55, John R Pierce wrote: On 1/9/2016 11:57 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously annoyed within the first 5 minutes. As backround see: >

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 1/9/2016 11:57 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously annoyed within the first 5

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 1/9/2016 11:37 PM, Regina Obe wrote: Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be dangerous. I fear for your safety. indeed. I think this man said it best. https://youtu.be/PjVbypiUOHA?t=35s

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:36:23 -0800 "Joshua D. Drake" wrote: > Hey, > > For the record, my thoughts on a CoC are something like: > > 1. Be excellent to each other > 2. If you don't know what that means, leave > 3. If someone isn't being excellent please contact: XYZ > >

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Hey, For the record, my thoughts on a CoC are something like: 1. Be excellent to each other 2. If you don't know what that means, leave 3. If someone isn't being excellent please contact: XYZ With XYZ being a committee that determines the ABCs. Or in other words something like this (without

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote: So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold: A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular community. B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being excellent" doesn't happen. Without #1, nobody will want to do #2, as it's

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote: >> So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold: >> >> A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular >> community. >> B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being >> excellent" doesn't happen. >> >> Without #1, nobody will want

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 11/01/16 07:44, Regina Obe wrote: [...] This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as you 1) Are helpful when I ask a question 2) Stick to the topic 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "Please

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote: JD This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as you I think this is reasonable but my point is that we don't care if you are sexist (in terms of .Org).

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 01:44:37PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote: > 1) Are helpful when I ask a question > 2) Stick to the topic > 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "Please stop top posting" > and if you really need to - A polite we prefer top posting would do > > 4) Are sensitive to people on

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 10/01/16 18:44, Regina Obe wrote: > > This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor > I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as > you > > 1) Are helpful when I ask a question > 2) Stick to the topic > 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

>> She won Red Hat Woman of the Year Award - >> https://www.redhat.com/en/about/women-in-open-source >> >> Sarah Sharp >> 2015 Community Award winner >> >> Am I the only one concerned about some of the women role models we have in >> FOSS? > Am I, as a mere male, entitled to have an opinion on

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 10/01/16 21:31, Regina Obe wrote: I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously annoyed within the first 5 minutes. As

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 01/10/2016 02:05 PM, Regina Obe wrote: Gavin, I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right information to help them, but this was not obvious until later in the thread. I made some comment about

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Adrian Klaver wrote: > On 01/10/2016 02:05 PM, Regina Obe wrote: > >> Gavin, >> >>> I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac >>> >> centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right >>

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

> On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote: >>> JD >> >> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor I >> don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long >> as you > I think this is reasonable but my point is that we don't care if you are sexist (in

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Gavin, > I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right information to help them, but this was not obvious until later in the thread. I made some comment about Linux - next moment they were accusing >

Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On 1/10/16 10:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote: The fact that Postgres has not needed a CoC up till now is a testiment to the quality of the people in the community. However, if Postgres continues to be more popular, the number of people involved is going to increase. Simply as a factor of statistics,

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