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That name definitely rings a bell for me ...
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the gist of this question, but ... how can they use them
if they don't exist?
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Simon Riggs wrote:
SQLServer and Sybase use sp_ procedures for this
Haven't experienced Sybase for 2 years in my last job, I can tell you that
the sp_* commands are definitely non-intuitive :(
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to write perl scripts that talk to the backend without
having to remember all the various system tables I need to query / join to
get the same results as \d gives me in psql ... same for any interface
language, really ...
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
On 15 July 2010 17:07, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
If it's only a psql problem, why implement it as SQL? Is it just so we're
not adding keywords specifically to psql? In that case, it shouldn't
(or
information_schema), that option is still open to them ...
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SELECT * FROM TABLES;
mre like:
SELECT * FROM TABLES WHERE not a system table or information schema table;
if we want to get *somewhere* close to \d ...
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the information, then 'SHOW TABLES' doesn't really provide them
anything, does it?
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... if there is no reason to do a beta then, we don't
do it ...
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As decided at this years hackers conference, we are branching
REL9_0_STABLE *before* the release, instead of after.
The hope is that we won't be taking away resources from finishing the
release, but still allow ppl to continue to work on projects that are for
9.1.
The branch is now
reason to
wait any longer on that?
- Someone will need to branch the tree after the wrap and stamp it
9.1devel. Who is doing that?
Me, after I wrap
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On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Cool. So, should we have Bruce go ahead and pgindent now?
Yup, as that will give 3 days before wrap / branch to deal with any fall
out from mit :)
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Josh Berkus wrote:
On 6/28/10 11:52 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Why not do prep work with a release on the 5th?
I think that a bunch of the people needed for wraps are Americans. No?
I'm not sure of all our nationalities .. I'm in Canada, Dave is in EU ...
I *think
?
This will be of more concern later, I imagine, when we're dealing with a
9.0 - 9.1 upgrade ...
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to lag for several days. Or there are a couple of pass-throughs, for
release announcements and PWN, which are not moderated.
I've asked several times that we add additional moderators for -announce.
Anyone volunteering ... ? Adding is simple enough ...
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and
living in different time zones is an idea. If nobody in +0900 tinme
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Sounds great to me ... please confirm what email address you wish to use
for this and I'll get you added ...
Thank you ...
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be approved
... most of the work is already done by that point ...
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hitting the same bugs that
were reported (and fixed), weeks earlier ...
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not saying don't try and get packages in place, I'm just saying it
shouldn't be a requirement to stamp code BETA and create a tar ball ...
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On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases
according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether
packaging manpower is actually available.
How many beta
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On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Well, they can just grab nightly snapshots and test, right? I don't
think a beta is fundamentally different from a nightly snapshot,
source-code wise.
doesn't really
etiquette. That's simply
not true with the current divisions.
how about something -sql vs -tuning ... ? -tuning replacing -performance,
which I do agree could be sql *or* server ... where -tuning would be more
obviously server related ...
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On Sat, 15 May 2010, Jaime Casanova wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
And IMHO, that is as much a fault of the 'old timers' on the lists as the
newbies ... if nobody redirects / loosely enforces the mandates of the
various lists, newbies aren't
, ppl see it ...
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-novice : I'm a new user
-odbc : how to use ...
-php : php related interface questions
-interfaces : more general then -odbc
why not close down -general so that ppl *have* to use better pick where to
post their question ...
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against *merging* lists ... getting rid of the 'meta list'
makes more sense so as to force ppl to *use* the smaller lists then to
merge smaller lists and *increase* the noise on one of them ...
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On Fri, 14 May 2010, Yeb Havinga wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Excerpts from Yeb Havinga's message of jue may 13 15:06:53 -0400 2010:
My $0.02 - I like the whole 'don't sort, search' (or how did they call
it?) just let the inbox fill up, google
.
Can you offer improvd / stronger wording on this ... ?
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currently, just nobody uses
it ...
In fact, I just removed / changed to BCC -hackers so that all further
discussions on this part of the thread will be on -chat ...
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with a -BCC to -hackers so that follow ups will go over there (since Josh
is right, this thread doesn't belong on -hackers) ...
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experience with large lists is that if there is a smaller,
more focused list, I'll post there first, to avoid being lost in the noise
... and, I will re-post to a more general list *if* and only if I'm unable
to get an answer from where I posted my original ...
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*Exactly* ... the thought that we should increase the volume on any one of
the lists seems counter-productive, but, I guess is the @postgresql.org
mailing lists are the only ones that someone participats into, maybe they
hae enough time to keep up on *all* of the email ... ?
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote:
I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another folder.
But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
My thought had been a split along the lines of major components of the server
... for instance, a totally seperate list for HS related issues, so that, if
nothing else, those
an
X-Mailing-List header added so that you can label based on list itself ...
is that what you mean, or are you thinking of something else entirely?
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
We tried that with pgsql-hackers-win32 and iirc also
pgsql-hackers-pitr, and it was a big failure...
But, we are doing that now with pgsql-cluster-hackers and it looks
? Right now, ppl filter based on the
X-Mailing-List header, or just the Participant ...
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posting altogether?
... and, for those that have been here awhile, who should know better,
why isn't there any self-management of this sort of stuff in the first
place?
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have such strong
commit fests, that we should have a seperate form for 'design phase' then
for 'reivew discusions' ... *shrug*
There may be some that are interested in what is being implemented, but
don't really care about how it was implemented ...
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but that means I won't be likely
to see any development discussion on them in the future
There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't
their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not
developer ones ...
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to subscribe, but it
would make it easier for ppl to filter their incoming ... ?
Not sure where the split would be, mind you ... almost thinking about
patch review / discussions vs hashing out new features or something like
that ...
Just a thought ...
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?
I'm good for that ...
Anyone else want to weigh in for or against this?
We're
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?
I'm good for that ...
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
/me pushes luck
And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
We tend to try and avoid overlapping a release with a beta to avoid
confusion ... but didn't we just do a fresh back branch release anyway?
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that Greg Smith,
Berkus and I could provide that list with nothing but a care bear
discussion.
+1 ... but, why the 'top 15'? why not just those that are uncommented to
start with, and leave those that are commented out as 'in the docs' ... ?
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Why are those that don't want it determining what those that do want it
have access to? Easier for those that don't want it to 'skip it' then it
is for those that do to go searching in older releases for it ...
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connect to it using psql, which makes it confusing as to why I'm
configuring access to it via pg_hba.conf ...
So, what am I missing that should be obvious to me ... ?
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My only thought would be to change 'pseudo' to 'virtual' ... my initial
read, I was looking for a system database like template1/template0 being
created ...
Thx ...
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
I'm
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I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support
for a platform that has such marginal usage.
Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ?
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The other problem with moving to /contrib is that I can't put out
pg_migrator updates independently of the main community release, which
could be bad.
Why not?
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mean that packagers have to make new packages ... I personally
think new packages shouldn't be made for anything older then *maybe* 3
releases (8.2, 8.3 and 8.4), but even that I think tends to be a bit
excessive ... but doing source tar balls is easy enough ...
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difference in performance ... suspect that is the same for all the *BSDs,
not sure about any other platform though ... maybe Windows?
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place, maybe? Document it in the docs, but dont including it in the
default postgresql.conf?
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not make a huge difference, but it would be
easier to do a 'gradual clean up', then an 'all-at-once' scenario, no?
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it, I agree ... as long as this isn't something that is going to be
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the OACS guys will either fix the code, or stick to 8.4 ...
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more then sufficient time to fix their code already, no? 3
years, or so?
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for an alpha cycle. Why not encourage it _only_ after
the last commitfest?
What is wrong with encouraging but not requiring? Less work for 'after
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Well, I rarely test the actual release source tarball, so it might have
been like that forever.
'k ... I swore I haven't changed anything over there in awhile, so was
most confused as to where this sudden error came from ...
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Peter, is this a recently change you've noticed, or something that has
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On Wednesday 27 May 2009 00:54:52 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
So, you are suggesting:
cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA2 .
cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA3 .
Note
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Kevin Grittner wrote:
Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
I'm curious as to what is different about these vs all the other
tags I've ever done, both before, and after ...
Any chance you tagged, changes were committed, and you then tagged
files from such a later
:
REL7_1_BETA2
REL7_1_BETA3
So, you are suggesting:
cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA2 .
cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA3 .
correct?
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Try that, should be fixed ...
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Details? I find no public record of this.
I think it was Keystone; Marc set it up.
If that was it, god, that was what, 10 years ago when we tried that? And
yes, it was atrocious ...
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the script kiddies in their tracks? I'm
guessing so, but had never thought to try it ...
How would someone upload their key if they don't have access? Some sort of web
interface? One wouldn't want to throw extra admin overhead if it can be
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Well I will grant that I don't know that there is a better forum because
we don't have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) but I am pretty certain that
discussion of the Git repo administration doesn't have much to do with
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How about some generic list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something like
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I like that one ...
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their work committed,
and will follow any *reaonable* procedure we have for them to do so ...
Do other large projects accept patches 'ad hoc' like we do? FreeBSD? Linux?
KDE?
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*as long
as* it is enforced ...
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- --On Wednesday, April 09, 2008 19:06:30 -0700 Joshua D. Drake
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:59:43 -0300
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damn, this is starting to get to be a trend ... but, I can't but
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the archives for that message. Then at least you would have that handy.
Actually, I think it was Magnus that asked me about this (or similar) ... I can
add either an X-header, or something in the body, that includes the Message-Id,
as ppl desire it ...
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repo operations could take quite a long time?
I doubt it, back in 7.1 days, we had something like 4 committers, I think, and
all core members ... very little chance of overlap ... the weird thing is Peter
is reporting its *all* on the 7.1 branch ... none of hte others affected ...
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- --On Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:33:24 -0400 Alvaro Herrera
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb Marc G. Fournier:
Agreed ... but, stupid question here ... if our tags are wrong in CVS
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