On Sun, 31 Aug 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Greg Smith wrote:
This patch does need a bit of general care in a couple of areas. The
reviewing game plan I'm working through goes like this:
Did this review effort go anywhere?
Haven't made much progress--all my spare time for work like
to an easier to use but
slightly ambiguous one, and I'm not going to argue for default further
if everyone else is happy with a cryptic naming instead. The important
thing is that the boot_val gets exposed somehow so tool writers can
trivially present it as an option.
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asks me how can I tell what the default is
for *X*? I want to be able to answer this question with look in
pg_settings, which is easy enough to remember, and not have to say
anything else. That's the source of my mindset here, and I'm sure I'm not
alone in fielding that so often.
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to use read/modify/write tuning tool are all cleared.
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Tom Lane wrote:
Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First question--how about if I changed that description to read:
Default value used at server startup if the parameter is not explicitly
set?
... not otherwise set would probably be an accurate phrasing.
(I'm
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Since the word current isn't actually in the patch anywhere, and only
appears in that little sample usage snippet I provided, whether or not
it's a good name for that doesn't impact the patch itself.
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Simon Riggs wrote:
I think this should be organised with different kinds of reviewer...
Great post. Rewrote the intro a bit and turned it into a first bit of
reviewer training material at
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Reviewing_a_Patch
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feeling that Simon's text was too much; there's value to both a
gentle intro and a detailed list of review tasks.
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getting up to speed to help out with here are
catalog updates and working on integration/testing.
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was exactly what the name for it should be, and there I really don't care.
I made the argument for why I named it the way I did, but if it gets
committed with a less friendly name (like boot_val) I won't complain.
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situations and 2) copy the page to somewhere else to tag the one that
goes along with a particular release. If there is some version specific
stuff there it's straightforward to do something along one of those two
lines at the point it's needed.
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if the clocks are perfectly synced, by the time the standy
received the transaction it will be later than the original.
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now won't apply cleanly if the source file/line patch is committed.
If nobody cares about doing that work twice, I'll re-submit a separate
patch once this one is resolved one way or another. I hope you snagged
the documentation update I added to your patch though.
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postgresql.conf files to support a new version. Then the tool can convert
all the places someone uses the old syntax into the new.
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but was getting a little bored
watching everyone replay
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2006-07/msg01229.php with
barely any changes from the first time.
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RCS file: /home/gsmith/cvsrepo/pgsql/doc/src/sgml/catalogs.sgml,v
retrieving revision 2.174
of the software, and there's a big void in that
stack waiting for a database with the right security model to fill. You
are right that getting code contributions back again is a challenge
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of performance just by disabling the clobber and context
checking, that would be valuable to know. Right now I waste a fair amount
of time running performance and assert builds in parallel.
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one. Would be nice to get a report from someone running FreeBSD to see
what's needed to make the test script run on that OS.
[1] http://blogs.sun.com/jkshah/entry/postgresql_east_2008_talk_best :
Page 8 of the presentation covers just how limited the default UFS cache
tuning is.
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might as well just read the blocks rather than advise about them when the
seek overhead is close to zero. Should be able to do a RAM disk run as
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because of how the patch was
refactored.
I'm excited to see index scans in the new patch as well, since I've got
1TB of test data that gets navigated that way I can test with.
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appropriately. One perspective I don't get to see very often is that of a
regular user adjusting their settings.
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develop a mismatch during that time.
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timezone_abbreviations | Default| Default | UNKNOWN
transaction_isolation | read committed | default |
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installs to manage and can only reach the hosted server on port 5432
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string I have to parse is a long-term win.
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On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Magnus Hagander wrote:
Might this be the time to add an open items for 8.4 page to the wiki?
There's already:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo:WishlistFor84
Which was aimed at being a live version of that, but was superseded by the
CommitFest pages.
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This is now the first entry on the new 8.4 Open Items list:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.4_Open_Items
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benchmark the results at.
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has 32MB of cache in it and you're
seeking around, you've got a pretty big working area relative to how fast
you can fill that with requested data.
And then there's a patch that helps accelerate this process I should get
back to benchmarking again...
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know only async I/O works on Solaris. Linux
also has an async I/O library, and it's not clear to me yet whether that
might work even better than the fadvise approach.
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pg_generate_conf
Sample usage:
pg_generate_conf config-file
Reads that config file, updates a few key configuration settings, then
writes result to standard
page that translates the
old name into the new one. But if you were already targeting that page
with a redirect, it would take a double redirect to find the new location,
and that doesn't work. See
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you're building a config file on a system other than the one it's being
deployed onto.
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stock Python, there would have to be a really, really compelling reason to
use any external library that adds more dependencies.
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appropriately. Just a thought I wanted to throw out there, if it makes
eventual upgrades from 8.4 more complicated it may not be worth even
considering.
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Sample usage shown by running with --help
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import os
import datetime
import optparse
class PGConfigLine:
Stores the value
of polishing at least a week or two before all that work wraps up.
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controversial setting.
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setting that is altered.
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The privacy issues are one reason I put the web-based port far down
relative to my priorities; another is that I don't do much web application
development. But if somebody else wants to run with that, fine by me.
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if your database doesn't actually create/truncate tables in normal use it
doesn't buy you anything once you're in production.
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-Platform bit width is detected (Python looks at how wide a pointer is to
figure that out), and that's used to figure out whether to load a 32-bit
based set of information from pg_settings or a 64-bit one.
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pgtune-v3
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Greg Smith wrote:
Memory detection works on recent (=2.5) version of Python for Windows
now.
I just realized that the provided configuration is really not optimal for
Windows users because of the known limitations that prevent larger
shared_buffers settings from being
thing in the Loose Ends
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integrated into initdb itself. There were just too many thing to get
under control for that to practical just yet.
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Tom Lane wrote:
Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd ultimately like to use the Python version as a spec to produce a C
implementation, because that's the only path to get something like this
integrated into initdb itself.
It won't get integrated into initdb in any
that slowed
down than the one that improved, understanding that might finally provide
some evidence against increasing it by default.
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person who is frantic that this program isn't being
worked on actively?
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be possible to find a modern system takes a while to
process that much WAL volume. It's pretty rare I run into that (usually
only after I do something abusive), whereas complaints about the logs
filling with checkpoint warnings on systems set to the default seem to pop
up all the time.
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something rather
than tweak the parameters forever. It may be a bit too aggressive as
written right now in those cases.
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deliver a community tool that helps with this configuration task before.
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Gregory Stark wrote:
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Is it worse to suffer from additional query overhead if you're sloppy with
the tuning tool, or to discover addition partitions didn't work as you
expected?
Surely that's the same question we faced when deciding
their heads explode at which point all their problems are gone.
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afraid that may be too late
to implement and still ship the next release on schedule. And if such
bootstrap code is needed, we sure need to make sure the prototype it's
going to be built on is solid ASAP. That's what I want to help you look
into if you can catch me up a bit here.
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per-table catalog data being proposed to push into 8.4 for making future
upgrades easier, this seems like a possible candidate for something to
make space for there. As I just came to appreciate the problem I'm not
sure about that.
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of what comes out of initdb already; I'm missing how
that is something this script would even get involved in. Is your
suggestion to add support for a minimal target that takes a tuned-up
configuration file and returns it to that state, or did you have something
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this tool; the whole idea is to pool expert opinion and try to distill it
into code. But that's not good enough for changing that setting for
everybody who installs the database.
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be downloaded from
pgforge. That retreat position goes away if you've commited to putting
the whole thing in core.
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Robert Haas wrote:
OK, I did this. I actually tried 10 .. 100 in increments of 10 and
then 100 ... 1000 in increments of 50, for 7 different queries of
varying complexity
Great bit of research. Was this against CVS HEAD or an 8.3 database?
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away the bogus dropped columns makes leaving them in there for this round
not as bad, and it would avoid needing to mess with the whole
pg_dump/CREATE TABLE with NULL bit.
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PostgreSQL, unfortunately the Planet PostgreSQL outage seems to have eaten
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Greg Smith wrote:
If it is needed, I'd suggest you'd get a warmer reception here submitting two
diffs, one that just did the renaming and a second that actually had the
functional bits in it.
You can just ignore this late night bit of idiocy, or mock me for it as
you see
it too,
particularly for a patch of this size.
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Looks like Robert accidentally answered my question about what version his
results were from off-list. Here's his update:
---
Unfortunately it was 8.2.9, as I realized halfway into the run. Here are
the results from a CVS HEAD checkout last night.
*** Query planning times
q1 (the complex
then and see how I did implementing your
suggestions, that would be great.
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under Development Projects on the wiki:
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/C%2B%2B_Compatibility
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run this again, it would be good to let pgbench run for a lot longer than
1 minute, to see if the results show some more significant difference.
With this few TPS, it would be nice to let that run for 30 minutes or more
if you can find some time to schedule that.
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when the CF is created?
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had the
ability to test DTrace code in the first round. I'd welcome a review
volunteer who is looking to play with DTrace to take a look at either or
both patches. If that doesn't happen, eventually I'll just review them
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you're doing performance testing. The asserts slow things down enough
(particularly with large shared_buffers values) to skew performance
tests, but in all other coding situations you should have them enabled.
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fit together than it should be. I started cleaning that up with
refreshing http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/CommitFest , which is
probably the right place to document general rules and expectations better.
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
I don't have a good overview over how many platforms would be affected
The anniversary of this thread is a few days early:
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just talking about things.
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for 8.5--but only if
everyone is clear on exactly what direction to push toward. I'm going
to reread the history here myself and see if I can write something
helpful here.
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is accepted as
a reasonable one, as Dan suggested a next step might even be to
similarly allow passing COPY FROM through a UDF, which has the potential
to provide a new efficient implementation path for some of the custom
input filter requests that pop up here periodically.
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in terms of the new
function interface, which has the potential to make the COPY
implementation cleaner rather than more cluttered (as long as the
performance doesn't suffer).
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feature set
here is really remarkable when you see them all together.
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the result
through the same basic code path as WITH RECORDS, so having both
available shouldn't increase the size of the implementation that much.
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available since shortly
after their respective creation dates, I'm not sure what one could
criticize about them as an information source in this area.
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Itagaki Takahiro wrote:
Done. (vacuum-full_20091130.patch)
Is this ready for a committer now? Not sure whether Jeff intends to
re-review here or not, given that the suggestions and their fixes were
pretty straightforward. It looks pretty solid at this point to me.
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Jeff Davis wrote:
COPY target FROM FUNCTION foo() WITH RECORDS;
In what format would the records be?
What was your intended internal format for this form to process?
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if we want to shorten the whole
process a bit. I don't think that's really what you want though.
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and the bugs they might run into aren't that
serious. This is not the case at all for either 7.4 or 8.0, which have
been completely indefensible as versions to consider deploying for quite
some time already.
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