Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Loran--cant figure out how to post?

[Loran Hughes via Phono-L]

Will do! Just send your future posts to phono-l@oldcrank.org and they should go out with no problem.LoranOn Jan 21, 2018, at 5:23 AM, elcaminonyc--- via Phono-L  wrote:can you post for me



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Hi looking for a beautiful original  Victor III or Victor IV---must be  in beautiful shape---willing to pay a premium for the right machineplease contactelcamino...@aol.com







Look forward to hearing from you









Thank you









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[Phono-L] Happy Holidays!

[Loran Hughes via Phono-L]

Merry Christmas to the Phono-L’ers out there! Be sure to let us know what phono 
things Santa brings you this year…

Regards,
Loran
a.k.a. The Management
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Re: [Phono-L] Server Maintenance Done

[Loran Hughes via Phono-L]

Mine too :) I’m still sorting though a couple of minor issues with the server, 
but it looks like everything mostly works.

Loran

> On Oct 18, 2015, at 7:26 AM, john r. via Phono-L  wrote:
>
> Ya!  Not seeing the sender has been my pet peeve!
> John Robles

Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Announcement

[Loran Hughes]

Bravo! Looking forward to it!

Sent from Loran's iPad

 On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:18 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 As you may have heard, aboutsix weeks ago the memberships of The Antique 
 Phonograph Society and theMichigan Antique Phonograph Society voted 98.5% in 
 favor of merging the twoorganizations.  The formal merger isprojected for 
 January 1, 2014.  For thefirst year, the new Society will be governed by the 
 combined Boards of thecurrent organizations.
 
 The new organization,The Antique Phonograph Society, will be publishing a 
 quarterly journal (The Antique Phonograph) which will be anexpanded 
 combination of the existing APS journal of the same name and the 
 MAPSpublication, In the Groove.  Rather than waiting for the new year, we 
 willmail the first combined journal to all members of the APS and MAPS in 
 November(although the masthead date will be December).
 
 Enclosed with The Antique Phonograph will be a 2014 membership application 
 for the merged Antique Phonograph Society.  (Memberships will be on a 
 calendar-yearbasis.)  We hope all members of MAPS andAPS will like what they 
 see in TheAntique Phonograph and sign up for 2014. 
 
 Watch for the newjournal in November!
 
 George Paul
 President, AntiquePhonograph Society
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] The Public Domain Review

[Loran Hughes]

One of the best, easy to digest copyright sources that I've come across:
http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

One thing for sure, copyright law in the U.S. is messy. At least in the distant 
past, you knew when something would become public domain. Not so much with 
newer works.

Regards,
Loran

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 AM, Thomas HENRY thomashenr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your answer. For all details regarding the legal aspect, please
 contact the editor of the Public Domain Review Adam Green:
 adam.gr...@publicdomainreview.org
 
 Best regards,
 
 Thomas
 
 
 2013/9/13 Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
 
 On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Thomas HENRY thomashenr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Unfortunately no recordings are public domain in the U.S.
 
 Correct me if I am wrong, but U.S. works published prior to 1923 ARE
 public domain. 1923-63 are public domain if a copyright extension was not
 filed. For works with an extension during that period, they'll start moving
 to public domain in 2018 (1923 + 95 years).
 
 Regards,
 Loran
 
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Re: [Phono-L] The Public Domain Review

[Loran Hughes]

On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Thomas HENRY thomashenr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately no recordings are public domain in the U.S.

Correct me if I am wrong, but U.S. works published prior to 1923 ARE public 
domain. 1923-63 are public domain if a copyright extension was not filed. For 
works with an extension during that period, they'll start moving to public 
domain in 2018 (1923 + 95 years). 

Regards,
Loran

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[Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player

[Loran Hughes]

Combining two of my hobbies :)

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Analog_Mixed_Signal_ICs/Amplifiers/How_Beck_s_turned_an_ordinary_beer_bottle_into_a_phonograph.aspx

Regards,
Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player

[Loran Hughes]

I started to build one of these… my problem is that I never seem to get past 
making the blanks. 

On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 That is an interesting idea...
 
 From: lo...@oldcrank.com
 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:21:22 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Beer Bottle Player
 
 Combining two of my hobbies :)
 
 http://www.electronicproducts.com/Analog_Mixed_Signal_ICs/Amplifiers/How_Beck_s_turned_an_ordinary_beer_bottle_into_a_phonograph.aspx
 
 Regards,
 Loran

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Re: [Phono-L] Phonoscope and Talking Machine World on line

[Loran Hughes]

Nice find! I've also been disappointed in their PDF's. Here's a neat video 
about the Internet Archive that shows them scanning books (among other stuff):
http://www.deepspeedmedia.com/internet-archive/

Regards,
Loran

On May 24, 2013, at 6:10 PM, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote:

 I just found that if you click either the HTTPS or the Torrent links on 
 the pages for these files,  you can download really LARGE folders of much 
 better jp2 images.  The original scans appear to be snaps taken with a 
 digital camera while the bound volumes lay on a table, with no effort made to 
 hold the pages flat. The compression process from jpeg to PDF is not kind to 
 poor focus!
 

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[Phono-L] Rare Gothic

[Loran Hughes]

Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. 

http://goo.gl/MMD8q

Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] abefed...@gmail.com wants to follow you. Accept?

[Loran Hughes]

Please don't click on any of these links!

Loran

On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:49 PM, abefed...@gmail.comi...@info-emailer.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 abefed...@gmail.com wants to follow you.
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block

[Loran Hughes]

Phono-L is the wrong tool, Chuck. Take it off list.

Loran

On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:49 PM, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote:

 No slamming intended.  Just using whatever means
 are available to resolve this.
 
 There are certain tools around, and sometimes they
 need to be used.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Original Message 
 From: kb...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:45:52 -0500
 
 I just can't sit idle with a slam towards Steve.  He is one of the
 nicest
 and most knowledgeable phonograph collector/historian that I have
 had the
 privilege to know.  Ditto to George's comment below.  Give him a
 break!!!
 Ken Brekke
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
 [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Paul Christenzen
 Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:12 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
 
 ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able
 guy I've
 met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to
 breathe
 before you try to embarrass him!!
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] list down?

[Loran Hughes]

Well, It was actually down for a few days. Phone/DSL service to my home office 
died while I was away on business, which took the server off line. Yes, I paid 
the bill :)

It was repaired late Monday afternoon. 

Sent from Loran's iPad

On Mar 7, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 Quiet
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Anyone think this is real?

[Loran Hughes]

It's a real chair with a genuine reproduction decal.

Regards,
Loran


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.comwrote:

 I vote no.
 On Feb 25, 2013, at 12:29 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

  251234892143

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Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

[Loran Hughes]

Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A real 
find, indeed!

Loran

On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 Jerry:
 
 thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find
 any fancy molding around the machine at all.
 
 the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504
 
 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from
 Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store
 in 1906.
 
 
 OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I
 just needed a little more time and investigation.
 
 thanks
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of DeeDee Blais
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
 
  The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII.  The doors
 over the horn are very thin.  The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that
 runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are
 slightly taller.  I think the model was made for slightly over a year and
 production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles.  I
 think the mechanical parts were the same for each style.  
  I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less
 expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later
 the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn.  Any
 noise produced by the motor came out through the horn.  It must have been an
 effort to use up the more obsolete motors.  One does not normally find
 evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't
 it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by 
 Victor executives? 
 
 Jerry Blais
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Re: [Phono-L] Help needed for young collector

[Loran Hughes]

Agreed. There are other places to talk politics. This ain't one of them.

Thanks,
Loran

On Oct 14, 2012, at 3:18 AM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I don't think this forum is the place to air one's political/social/economic 
 opinions.  That very thing combined with poor moderation destroyed a 
 pioneering phono discussion board a few years ago and a great deal of 
 information was lost.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:
 
 Just wait until the government starts actually running the day to day health 
 care... They can not even deliver the mail.
 
 On 10/13/2012 04:04 PM, Steven Medved wrote:
 
 I would wait a few more days.  I sent an automatic reproducer from Florida 
 to Pennsylvania via priority and it should have taken two days.  It went to 
 PA via Maine and took over a week.  Fortunately I had delivery confirmation 
 and I could see it was in Maine when it was three days late. I have sent 
 things first class that went priority, and priority that went media.  The 
 worse was the No 4 reproducer I sent to Oz international first class that 
 went sea mail and took three months. Steve
 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:03:10 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Help needed for young collector
 
 Hello all
 A friend of mine, who is a big fan of the Andrews sisters, just bought his 
 first
 Victrola, a Victrola IX. The Exhibition flange was missing but the flange 
 collar
 (the brass part) was glued to the neck of the reproducer!! I offered to 
 fix it
 for him cheap (he is only 19 years old and works at Kroger's as a 
 cashier), so
 he packed it and sent it to me via Priority Mail. That was 5 days ago. It 
 is
 lost and he did not know to insure it.
 I am hoping someone has an extra Exhibition, even if it needs work, that 
 they
 could sell cheap, as he does not have much money. If so please let me 
 know, and
 as I say if it needs work I will be glad to do that for nothing and send 
 it to
 him along with some other things I am going to give him (needles, victrola 
 ad,
 probably a record brush, etc). He is so disappointed about this and I want 
 to
 help.
 Thank you
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Very Sad News

[Loran Hughes]

This is very sad, indeed. I've known Bob and Karen for many years. Genetta and 
I send our thoughts and prayers and Karen, Kelly and Keri.

Loran

On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I am very sad  and upset that I must bring to you very sad news.  Mr. Robert 
 R. Johnson of  the famous Mr. Victor Phonograph Museum, avid Oregon Duck fan 
 and a friend to most of us in the phonograph world, was unable to beat the 
 odds this time and passed away yesterday afternoon after a short illness.   
 Bob was one of the most generous people that I have ever known, and I am sure 
 that many of you have been on the receieving end of that at one time or 
 another.  He was always willing to take his time to help collectors and non 
 collectors who contacted him with his knowledge of our hobby, often times 
 giving parts to folks he really didn't know to help them put a machine 
 together.   He was a true gentleman who never let grass grow under his feet, 
 he always kept moving.  Words can not describe the shock and heavy hearts 
 that Kathleen and I have loosing a friend such as Bob.   Bob and Karen were 
 inseparatable and always had a smile and greeting
 for anyone that they met.I ask that your thoughts and prayers go out to 
 Karen and their two daughters Kelly and  Keri as they attempt to deal with 
 their loss.  
 As many of you know when dealing with their personal  lives they are 
 relatively private.  At this time, Karen has asked that you contact me 
 directly with any phone calls and any questions and I will try my best to 
 answer.  I will also let everyone know when I have an address that they would 
 want cards sent to or hear of what or if they are planning to have a 
 Celebration of Life for Bob .He will be sorely missed by all of us.  
 

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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting horn on ebay

[Loran Hughes]

It isn't a phonograph horn. Not sure what it was used for, but it has
threads on the end.

Loran

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM,  aph4...@aol.com wrote:
 An interesting horn has appeared on ebay recently.  But I've never  seen
 anything like it before. It has a screen at the horn opening and I have no
 idea why. Maybe it keeps the moths out. Or maybe it's not a phonograph horn at
  all.  Any thoughts?
 Ebay # is 280921924514

 Thanks, Art Heller
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[Phono-L] Attention Chat-a-Holics!

[Loran Hughes]

Dear fans of the Phono-L Chatroom,

It's back up! Chat is back on at the normal time (Saturdays at 6:00 p.m. 
Pacific time). The rest of the Phono-L site is still down, so to get to the 
chatroom, go directly to http://www.phono-l.org/chat/ .

Regards,
Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] the chat

[Loran Hughes]

I'm alive, well, and still in the business! I'm just incredibly busy of late. 
I'll get the chat back up as soon as I can carve out some time.

Loran


On Jun 2, 2012, at 6:55 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote:

 I keep looking for it.  Has Loran gone out of the business?
 --Art
 
 
 In a message dated 6/2/2012 7:41:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
 lhera...@verizon.net writes:
 
 Gad,  another week without the chat.  I'm sooo bummed.
 
 Ron  L
 

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[Phono-L] Attachment Test

[Loran Hughes]

Just testing server settings. No reply needed.

Thanks,
Loran
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[Phono-L] Good News/Bad News

[Loran Hughes]

Well, the good news is that photo attachments on Phono-L now work like a charm!

Bad news? I accidentally nuked the Phono-L web site. Although I presumed that 
it was being backed up, it wasn't. It will probably be off line for a couple of 
weeks, as I rebuild it from scratch. Although that sounds bad, I embrace it as 
an opportunity to take the site in new directions.

Thanks,
Loran
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[Phono-L] Saturday Chat

[Loran Hughes]

Due to technical difficulties, there will be no chat session this evening. I'll 
get it back on line as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] Good News/Bad News

[Loran Hughes]

Unfortunately, yes, chat is broken.

Loran

On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

 Does this mean that the Saturday night Chat will not work (gasp)?
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Loran Hughes
 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:47 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: [Phono-L] Good News/Bad News
 
 Well, the good news is that photo attachments on Phono-L now work like a
 charm!
 
 Bad news? I accidentally nuked the Phono-L web site. Although I presumed
 that it was being backed up, it wasn't. It will probably be off line for a
 couple of weeks, as I rebuild it from scratch. Although that sounds bad, I
 embrace it as an opportunity to take the site in new directions.
 
 Thanks,
 Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] (no subject)

[Loran Hughes]

I've blocked Jerry's emails until he gets his system cleaned up. In the 
meantime, please don't reply and include his original link, or click on that 
link - which could be infected.

On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:40 AM, DeeDee Blais wrote:
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Re: [Phono-L] Virus Link (was no subject)

[Loran Hughes]

I'm sorry that got out on the list - Phono-L has a pretty good track record of 
catching spam  viruses. If you clicked on it, you will want to scan your 
computer. Jerry would not have posted that intentionally - someone has hijacked 
his email account.

Regards,
Loran

On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Jim Nichol wrote:

 I seriously doubt that he posted that intentionally. One of the spammers must 
 have grabbed his email address book, or taken over his computer.
 
 Jim
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:34 PM, jerry f bacon wrote:
 
 How Dare you put something like that on this list, I hope it does not give 
 me a 
 virus or something.I had to hit cancel or delete about ten times before I 
 got 
 away from it.
 
 Jerry F Bacon-Dallas,Tx

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Re: [Phono-L] Lifebeltt (Not Flotation Device) Quetion

[Loran Hughes]

http://goo.gl/dPzWg

7th photo down, it appears to be a piece of rubber tubing that sits between the 
tone arm and reproducer. My guess is that it's a bit of quackery.

Loran

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jim  Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Over the years, I seen various references from the mid-1920s, usually
 quoting the British The Gramophone magazine about some aftermarket
 attachment made of rubber tubing that supposedly dramatically improved the
 tone quality of gramophones called a lifebelt.   I have goggled this 
 found discussions of it from 1926 issues of The Gramophone as well as a
 photo but the photo is too small to see what the thing is.Can any on the
 list enlighten me as to what a lifebelt actually is, how it works  if
 it's use results in an actual sonic improvement on acoustic machines?I
 am always happy to have my antique phonographs perform as well as possible
 since I play some nearly every day.
 
 
 
 Jim Cartwright
 
 Immortal Performances, Inc. 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Lifebeltt (Not Flotation Device) Quetion

[Loran Hughes]

http://goo.gl/aTVPI

See photos 7  9 on the page. According to a short description at the bottom of 
the page, the Lifebelt is a piece of rubber tubing that sits between the tone 
arm and reproducer. From what I've read online, it's supposed to minimize 
blasting and record wear, while improving bass response. My guess is that it 
was a bit of quackery.

Regards,
Loran


On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jim Cartwright wrote:

 Over the years, I seen various references from the mid-1920s, usually
 quoting the British The Gramophone magazine about some aftermarket
 attachment made of rubber tubing that supposedly dramatically improved the
 tone quality of gramophones called a lifebelt.   I have goggled this 
 found discussions of it from 1926 issues of The Gramophone as well as a
 photo but the photo is too small to see what the thing is.Can any on the
 list enlighten me as to what a lifebelt actually is, how it works  if
 it's use results in an actual sonic improvement on acoustic machines?I
 am always happy to have my antique phonographs perform as well as possible
 since I play some nearly every day.
 
 
 
 Jim Cartwright
 
 Immortal Performances, Inc. 

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[Phono-L] Fwd: Anyone know a phono repair person near Mineappolis?

[Loran Hughes]

Begin forwarded message:

  
 From: srsel...@aol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: 12/26/2011 12:03:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
 Subj: Anyone know a phono repair person near Mineappolis?
  
  
 A guy has an Opera phono he needs repaired. Sure miss having that MAPS 
 members Directory that shows folks by state and city.
  
 If you know someone, please email me off list AT  StevenrammATaolDOTcom
  
 Thanks!
  
 Steve
  
  

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Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments

[Loran Hughes]

OK, I can see that didn't work. More research!

On Oct 23, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Loran Hughes wrote:

 I've noticed lately that photo attachments to Phono-L aren't scrubbing 
 properly, so photos don't show up in the links like they're supposed to. 
 After much consideration, I've done a couple of things to address this.
 
 First, I've set up Phono-L to allow real photo attachments - this means 
 you'll be able to see the photo in the posting. Second, I've removed the size 
 limits on emails. If this works out and doesn't mess up the digest edition, 
 I'll leave it this way.
 
 For now, PDF and JPG files are the only types allowed. Please don't attach 
 huge files or more than a couple at a time. We'll see how this works out! If 
 anyone has problems, please let me know! As a test, I've attached a JPG.
 
 Loran
 
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[Phono-L] Test

[Loran Hughes]

Been working on the server this morning. Just making sure everything is up  
running!

Thanks,
Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] Whistler Sybil Sanderson Fagan

[Loran Hughes]

For what it's worth, I'm finding almost nothing in newspaper archives after her 
marriage in 1932. I did find an article about her participating as a pianist in 
a music club concert in Barrington in 1945.  

Loran

On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Ryan Barna wrote:

 
 I visited Sybil's grave when I attended Union in 2008. Here's a picture of it 
 for those who are interested:
 
 http://www.phonostalgia.com/sybil1.JPG
 
 I never got around to writing about her (or my visit) since I've been 
 distracted with so many other priorities. The date I have for the picture is 
 Friday, June 13, 2008.
 
 Somewhere I have an email from her niece describing a little more about her 
 in later years. I'll try to quote from it if I can find it. I remember 
 vividly from the email that she and her husband Joseph collected a lot of 
 antiques that were later auctioned off, and that she taught Anita O'Day stage 
 presence. Again, I'll try to find it in my mess of correspondences.
 
 The latest recording I have of her is from 1930, from an American Record 
 Corporation master: The Wedding of the Birds by Lou Gold and His Orchestra, 
 vocal refrain by Irving Kaufman, whistling by Sybil S. Fagan. Anything later?
 
 -Ryan Barna
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[Phono-L] Saturday Evening Chat Reminder

[Loran Hughes]

Just a reminder that the Phono-L weekly chat is this evening at 6:00 pm (PDT). 
Also please note that the chat page has moved to its new home on phono-l.org! 

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Re: [Phono-L] Hello??

[Loran Hughes]

There's never a server move/upgrade that goes without glitches, and Phono-L 
seemed to suffer from one this week. I noticed some wonkiness in the email 
server earlier this week, but just today had a chance to sit down and diagnose 
it. I think I've got it all sorted out now, so we should be good to go!

Loran

On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:10 PM, john robles wrote:

 I mean I wrote Loran.
 
 --- On Sat, 7/30/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
 
 From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
 Subject: [Phono-L] Hello??
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:05 PM
 
 Haven't received any messages for a couple of weeks..I've posted, but haven't 
 seen the post come up..also wrote Jerry but the email came back as refused. 
 Am I an outcast??? Shunned???
 John Robles

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[Phono-L] Whistler Sybil Sanderson Fagan

[Loran Hughes]

Earlier this week, someone on FaceBook posted an artist photo of a young woman, 
fingers in mouth, standing next to an Edison W-250. After a little discussion 
about the machine, the question came up about the history of the artist. 
Googling brings up little more than discographies, so I dusted off my research 
cap and pieced together some facts about her life. It may be interesting to 
some.

Sybil Sanderson Fagan was born May 27, 1895 in Huntington, Indiana. Sometime 
between 1900 and 1910, the family moved to Springfield Ohio. In an interview 
printed in The Music Trades in 1919, she stated that she was named after the 
opera singer, Sybil Sanderson. She began whistling at the age of 5 and later, 
when a professional whistler visited her home, she decided that she could 
whistle a little better than the average person. She also studied piano.

She had a short - and odd - marriage to a New York playwright, Eugene B. 
Bardin, in 1920. According to Fagan's divorce petition, she had no sooner met 
Bardin than he proposed marriage, both threatening to kill or drug her if she 
didn't. She inferred Bardin put a drug into her tea on Feb 22nd and they were 
married that same day. She immediately boarded a train for her parent's home in 
Ohio, then sued for divorce in June. The divorce was finalized on September 2, 
1920. 

The 1930 census shows Fagan living in a Manhattan boarding house. Singer George 
W. Ballard and his wife were neighbors in the same building.

On January 6, 1932, Fagan married violinist Joseph E. Chapek. She died on 
September 5, 1974 in Barrington, Illinois and buried in the Evergreen Cemetery 
in Barrington. They were married 42 years.



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[Phono-L] Chat Room is Up!

[Loran Hughes]

The Phono-L chat room is functional again. Drop in @ 
http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ around 6pm-ish Pacific Time this evening to say 
hello!

Regards,
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[Phono-L] New Server is Up - Some Things are Off Line

[Loran Hughes]

The new Phono-L server is up and running! I've concentrated on getting the 
Phono-L and OTAPS lists up, however, the Phono-L chat is off line. I doubt that 
it will be up in time for the chat session this evening.

Thanks again to everyone who donated a few $$ to get the process moving. I 
really appreciate your support!

Regards,
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Re: [Phono-L] Loran Hughes is updating his server

[Loran Hughes]

Thanks for the contributions and support! I really appreciate it.

Regards,
Loran

On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Daniel Melvin wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Loran Hughes does all of us at Phono-L a great free service by hosting this
 mail list and some other phonograph related sites as well. He does this out
 of the goodness of his heart and for the betterment of the hobby. In the
 coming weeks he is purchasing a new server to replace his aging current
 server. This is being done at his own expense and will cost quite a lot. He
 did not ask me to send this email, but I thought it would be a good thing to
 do.
 
 I would like to appeal to you to consider donating to Loran on his website.
 On the Phono-L webpage there is a PayPal Donate Now button and a link to a
 store where you can buy a few mugs and a clock that contain the Phono-L
 content.
 
 http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/
 
 We all owe Loran a lot of thanks and gratitude for his work and expsneses
 related to hosting the site. Let's help him keep it going! If you can afford
 even just a few dollars it will all help him offset his costs.
 
 Thanks
 
 Dan Melvin
 
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Re: [Phono-L] National Jukebox

[Loran Hughes]

Interesting indeed. It also seems that Sony is claiming copyright on the Victor 
Talking Machine acoustic recordings, as well as Columbia and Okeh labels. 
http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/about

Loran

On May 13, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Mike Stitt wrote:

 Has anyone had a chance to go over at peek at the National Jukebox over at
 the Library of Congress?
 Well worth a look.
 http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/
 Also for you old time music fans over at YouTube check out Westtoledoguy,
 thousands of video,
 
 http://www.youtube.com/user/Westtoledoguy
 Mike
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Re: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove

[Loran Hughes]

Agreed! I, for one, was wowed by this edition. Great job!

Loran

On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Scott and Denise Corbett wrote:

 Hi Tim,
  My wife and I have always enjoyed IN THE GROOVE and the service
 it has provided for the hobby. Any new efforts will always have a few rocks
 in the road. We remind ourselves that these people are volunteering their
 time unselfishly for our enjoyment and see NO reason to complain if a little
 late or past margins. Our only complaint would be if it stopped being
 produced!
 
 Keep up the good work!
 
 -Scott  Denise Corbett
 

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Re: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer

[Loran Hughes]

Came with some suitcase models and  the VV 1-70 tabletop, 1926-ish. Pot metal.

Loran

On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:17 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:

 on another note
 anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late  20s
 

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Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine

[Loran Hughes]

You're thinking of the iSocket, Ken.

Loran Hughes
From my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net wrote:

 Isn't an iPod that little glass that people would soak their glass eye in?
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of David Dazer
 Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:46 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder
 machine
 
 Can someone explain what an iPod is?  :)
 Dave
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Vic R

[Loran Hughes]

Just attach the photo to your email as you would normally do. Just keep in mind 
that anything straight out of a digital camera will probably be too big. 

Regards,
Loran

On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:09 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:

 Thanks Loran - I didn't realize that.  How would I post a photo?
 
 George P.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 11:43 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vic R
 
 
 Ah, but you CAN post reasonably sized photos on Phono-L! As long as
 
 the total message size stays under 200k, your photo will go through.
 
 The system scrubs the photo(s) from the message, then creates a link
 
 for each at the bottom of the message that readers can click on.
 
 
 
 Unfortunately, I can't bump the message size limit at the moment - the
 
 little server's hard drive just isn't big enough.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Loran
 
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM,  gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I've only seen 2 or 3 myself.  Only the first couple thousand Rs were done 
 
 that way.  I have one here, but we can't post photos.  I'll be happy to post 
 
 photos on one of the forums if you'd like.
 
 
 
 George P.
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Vic R

[Loran Hughes]

Not a problem, Greg!

Loran

On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:31 AM, gregory caringi wrote:

 
 To simplify the whole - posting photos on Phono-L - question, I started a 
 thread on The Talking Machine Forum entitled Worlds Collide - Victor R 
 Thread from Phono-L.  I love both resources and I didn't mean to hijack the 
 Phono-L thread.  Maybe the subject of posting photos on Phono-L needs its own 
 thread.  I will try that in the future.  Thanks, Loran.  Hopefully this is 
 the correct link:
 
 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=5420
 

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Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay?

[Loran Hughes]

You shouldn't give me ideas ;-)

Loran

On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Mike Stitt wrote:

 I paid Loran my dues thru' paypal. He is offering a free preview Jan 6 thru'
 the tenth.
 grin I won't repeat any emails posted. I hope no one gets a sore leg from
 this.
 Oldcranky
 Mike
 

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[Phono-L] Duplicate Messages

[Loran Hughes]

You may be seeing a bunch of duplicate messages this morning. Unfortunately, 
one of the Phono-L mail server databases got corrupted yesterday afternoon. I 
rebuilt the database this morning, so now it seems everything is up and running 
again.

Thanks for your patience and understanding!
Loran
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Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert

[Loran Hughes]

Whoa. If it's who I'm thinking it is, he's been around for a while - I remember 
him from the Phonatics AOL list days (way back in the mid-90's). I don't 
remember his name either, but as I recall, he would use his mother's address on 
the return labels. He was doing some pretty odd stuff and got booted from the 
list for it.

Regards,
Loran

On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:46 PM, hexaph...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi all!  I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the 
 past.  I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted 
 thus far.  I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed 
 relatively well.  It could have been better, but all was safe.  The machine 
 was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs 
 to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun 
 intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so 
 much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was 
 actually great!  I just thought I'd provide another view of just my 
 experience.  I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended 
 well thankfully after reading these posts.  I do not recall his name, but I 
 looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who 
 wish to dig deeper.
  
 
 Antique Edison
 (412) 257-8926 
 301 Murray Ave 
 Bridgeville, PA 15017 
 antiquedi...@aol.com
 

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Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...

[Loran Hughes]

Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. 

Thanks,
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Re: [Phono-L] restored or not

[Loran Hughes]

No wonder it was cranky!

;-)
Loran

On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Thomas Edison wrote:

 it had not layes in sixty years.

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??

[Loran Hughes]

Google is your friend. Found stuff like this:
http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?documentid=55580start=2page=15

Just because this person confused Franklin as a president could simply be his 
fine, public school education showing. The real value of the item is the Edison 
signature - and I agree, $13k is way out of line.

Loran

On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:48 AM, john robles wrote:

 Possibly. But if he were willing to meet somewhere neutral it could work. But 
 that's a good observation.
 
 --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Bob V. rvu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 From: Bob V. rvu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:56 AM
 
 This is a total scam.  I doubt the perpetrator even has the documents he is 
 claiming to sell.  I don't think this is even an American scammer.  He lists 
 Benjamin Franklyn as a former US president.  Also he wants the transaction to 
 be completed electronically which means the buyer will never see the 
 documents before purchase.
 
 --
 From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:23 AM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??
 
 Hi all
 A local listing on Craigslist is offering an Edison signed document for 
 $12,995. Ridiculous price, but my concern is if it is a stolen item. They 
 appear to be pages cut from a corporate journal of meeting minutes or 
 something. Signed by both Thomas and Charles Edison, as well as other 
 officers, it raises a flag. How would something like this get into public 
 hands?
 I wrote to the seller and he sent me the following explanation (which really 
 doesn't explain anything): Thanks for your interest in the signed Thomas 
 Edison notes. When my grandparents first came to the United States, they 
 held Franklin Roosevelt
 in the greatest esteem, so they would write letters to him every once
 in a while. In the years that followed, Roosevelt corresponded on more
 than one occasion, and my grandparents began collecting these letters.
 Later on, they also attained signatures from a number of presidents, 
 Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln,
 and plenty of other folks. I can't trace each of the items back to the
 source; fortunately, PSA DNA uses a plethora of methods to determine the
 authenticity of each of the documents and signatures. I know that the
 company measures ink pressures, aging, signature characteristics, and a
 number of factors before determining the legitimacy of each autograph.
 Upon confirming that a signature is real, they'll swab some sort of DNA
 marker on the sheet, as a method to permanently label the piece of
 memorabilia as being authentic. 
 Anyone else have an opinion on this? Here is the Craigslist link:
 http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/clt/1853328747.html
 For good measure I wrote to Leonard DeGraaf, Archivist at the Edison 
 Historic Site, and to Gerald Fabris, curator forwarding them a copy of the 
 link and asking their opinion. It just doesn't seem right that pages form a 
 corporate book would be in public hands. I have made no accusations and I am 
 not saying they are stolen, I am just curious about this.
 John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??

[Loran Hughes]

I'll bet you gravitated at the top of your class, too!

;-)
Loran

On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mike Stitt wrote:

 Look I sent a blank email. Can't tell a X from send. I went to public
 schools!
 I did send a blank email by mistake BTW.
 Gotta go, Are you smarter than a fifth grader is just starting.
 MS
 

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[Phono-L] Turntable Needed

[Loran Hughes]

Hello Friends,

I'm in search of a 7 turntable for a second model Columbia AK. Any leads would 
be most appreciated!

Thanks,
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Re: [Phono-L] Apology

[Loran Hughes]

No need to apologize, Mike. It happens all the time!

Regards,
Loran

On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Mike Tucker wrote:



Sincere apologies for misspelling your name on my two emails. Have  
rapped my

knuckles and promise to do better next time.



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Re: [Phono-L] where to get two Black Crows on CD

[Loran Hughes]

Correct... several years ago. I don't have any lying around, but still  
have all the audio files. Let me know if there would be any interest  
in a short run.


Loran

On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote:


I believe our esteemed list owner, Loren has made up such a CD.

Ron L

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org 
] On

Behalf Of Bob Maffit
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:20 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] where to get two Black Crows on CD

Phono folks:



Some time ago, I found someone on the net, selling a CD with the  
comedy team
of Two Black Crows. I would appreciate it if anyone knows the  
contact /

link, so I can get it for my 80year-old friend.



Thanks



Bob

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[Phono-L] Searchable archive is live!

[Loran Hughes]

Folks,

The searchable Phono-L archive is on line. You can now search posts  
back to August 2003. You may also notice that posts from Jan 2008 are  
missing - that file was corrupt, but I'll fix it and get it uploaded  
as soon as possible (you can still browse Jan 2008 by clicking on the  
Alternate Archive link).


Easiest way to get there is to go to the Phono-L web site at phono- 
l.oldcrank.org and click on the Archives button at the top of the page.


Let me know what you think!
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[Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers

[Loran Hughes]

Well done, Bruce. But all I saw of you was your hand!

Loran

On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:08 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:



 For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort.

 From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk
From esrobe...@hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 18:38:00 2009
From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright)
Date: Mon Jan 12 18:38:28 2009
Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers
References: 
773704169.478761231805304458.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
Message-ID: blu105-dav53a9659ff804c13302b96aa...@phx.gbl

Stunning sound, just gorgeous.  I'd rather listen to this than many 
electrical transcriptions/restorations I've heard!  Has anything special 
been done to your reproducer on this machine?


- Original Message - 
From: bruce78...@comcast.net
To: 78-L 7...@78online.com; MOCAPS mocap...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers




 For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort.

From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk
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[Phono-L] Regarding Vacation Reply spam

[Loran Hughes]

I've turned on moderation for Robert's account to catch these vacation  
replys.. Robert, check your hotmail account to see if you've turned on  
a vacation reply, 'cause it's coming from hotmail.

Regards,
Loran

On Nov 19, 2008, at 6:15 PM, john robles wrote:

 Those vacation reply things are getting really annoying. I know  
 Robert is not doing this, but is there any kind of spyware program  
 that can stop this? Or does it mean that Robert's emails would no  
 longer be received as well? I enjoy his topics, so I would rather  
 put up with spambot crap than not get his posts!
 I know one or two others were having their email addresses abused  
 also. It is frustrating. I was on Facebook, and someone somehow got  
 hold of my email address and started sending spam to my entire  
 address group, so I quit immediately. Facebook it really a cover for  
 spammers anyhow. The more we advance the behinder we get.
From john9...@pacbell.net  Wed Nov 19 22:09:13 2008
From: john9...@pacbell.net (john9...@pacbell.net)
Date: Wed Nov 19 22:15:23 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Regarding Vacation Reply spam
Message-ID: 
1592175077-1227161310-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-3244312...@bxe189.bisx.prod.on.blackberry

I knew you'd have an answer..
--Original Message--
From: Loran Hughes
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
To: Antique Phonograph List
ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Regarding Vacation Reply spam
Sent: Nov 19, 2008 9:23 PM

I've turned on moderation for Robert's account to catch these vacation  
replys.. Robert, check your hotmail account to see if you've turned on  
a vacation reply, 'cause it's coming from hotmail.

Regards,
Loran

On Nov 19, 2008, at 6:15 PM, john robles wrote:

 Those vacation reply things are getting really annoying. I know  
 Robert is not doing this, but is there any kind of spyware program  
 that can stop this? Or does it mean that Robert's emails would no  
 longer be received as well? I enjoy his topics, so I would rather  
 put up with spambot crap than not get his posts!
 I know one or two others were having their email addresses abused  
 also. It is frustrating. I was on Facebook, and someone somehow got  
 hold of my email address and started sending spam to my entire  
 address group, so I quit immediately. Facebook it really a cover for  
 spammers anyhow. The more we advance the behinder we get.
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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From victr...@triton.net  Thu Nov 20 07:03:35 2008
From: victr...@triton.net (George)
Date: Thu Nov 20 07:09:49 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Parts wanted
References: 578722.45374...@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
Message-ID: d9e93f78739c46979d6f233141cf0...@valuedcb7d4c82

Sorry no
George
  - Original Message - 
  From: TERRY LEWIS 
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:29 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Parts wanted


  WTB triple spring motor, turntable, crank and speed
  control for talk-a-phone.  Thanks, Terry Lewis



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[Phono-L] eBay

[Loran Hughes]

It is certainly worth investigating. I'll do some research work this  
weekend. At the moment, I'm working feverishly to get the chat room  
operational for this evening!

Regards,
Loran

On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:39 AM, wilenz...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 That's a great idea, especially since buying from other collectors  
 adds a degree of safety to the transaction.  It has been tried  
 before, with sites such as Intertique Classifieds or Phono-L  
 Classified, but as far as I know these were not very successful.   
 (Comments Loran?).  But times have changed and with all the  
 dissatisfaction with eBay, maybe another attempt should be made by  
 someone who is web savy.  A weekly phono on-line newsletter listing  
 phono items for sale, wanted, or for trade would really be nice for  
 the hobby.

 Ray

[Phono-L] Chat Tonight

[Loran Hughes]

The new, improved Phono-L chat room is up and running! Our scheduled  
live chat is this evening, at 6:00 p.m PST. The web address is:

http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/

It's a bit bare bones at the moment but it's functional and much  
improved over the old chat program.
I'm looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Loran
From slowp...@clear.net.nz  Sat Nov 15 15:31:29 2008
From: slowp...@clear.net.nz (Mark Dawson)
Date: Sat Nov 15 15:48:34 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] wanted horn for my Columbia BQ rear mount, Crown model
Message-ID: 008a01c9477a$49eef8b0$0201a...@d69s8j1s

Has anybody out their got a nice example of one of these they wish to sell, 
horns seem to lacquered? Scre w end type , would look nice on my Columbia BQ 
rear mounted Crown. Will pay a fair price for a prime example. Cheers Mark 
slowp...@clear.net.nz 
From bruce78...@comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 18:22:53 2008
From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Nov 15 18:28:36 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Loran's Phonograph Chat
Message-ID: 
111620080222.17424.491f83fd424e44102207020853039f9dc8c90a0c9a9...@comcast.net


Has anyone else tried to enter Loran's Phono-L forum this evening and had 
problems.  I tried to get in, and it says it is loading, then says that it is 
done, but still never opens.  


Bruce
From lo...@oldcrank.com  Sat Nov 15 18:34:16 2008
From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes)
Date: Sat Nov 15 18:34:32 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Loran's Phonograph Chat
In-Reply-To: 
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Make sure you have javascript turned on in your browser... we're there  
now!

Loran

On Nov 15, 2008, at 6:22 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:


 Has anyone else tried to enter Loran's Phono-L forum this evening  
 and had problems.  I tried to get in, and it says it is loading,  
 then says that it is done, but still never opens.


 Bruce
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[Phono-L] Server Maintenance

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The Phono-L server will be down for what may be a good portion of the  
day, as I am moving everythiing to a new server. I'll be taking it off  
line about 9:00 a.m. (Pacific time) and will send a note when I am  
finished. Thanks for your patience!

Regards,
Loran

[Phono-L] Player for 78 rpm records

[Loran Hughes]

Bill,

No problem, buddy. Hope you have a good Veterans Day and thanks for  
your service.

Loran (USAF, Ret.)

On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:55 AM, buck Buchanan wrote:

 Everybody,

 I am sorry about my spelling and a couple of missing words in the  
 last message.
 I am currently taking some powerful painkillers and perhaps I should  
 not be operating a computer keyboard.
 Thank you for your understanding.

 Bill

[Phono-L] Test Post

[Loran Hughes]

No need to reply. Tks.
From lo...@oldcrank.com  Tue Nov 11 15:43:20 2008
From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes)
Date: Tue Nov 11 15:43:52 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] We're Back!
Message-ID: 45e10ce4-5cfb-48c5-bfd1-0e25e20e1...@oldcrank.com

Thanks for your patience, folks. I've still got a few things to bring  
back on line, such as the Phono-L home page and the chat room. But  
it's been a long day, so it's Miller time! I'll be back at it  
tomorrow.

Regards,
Loran
From steve_nor...@msn.com  Tue Nov 11 16:15:56 2008
From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Tue Nov 11 16:16:07 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700.
Message-ID: bay139-w13957bfaa9f0d7ade72142f6...@phx.gbl


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=220307382319 The Vic 
III sold for $700. 
From steve_nor...@msn.com  Tue Nov 11 16:21:32 2008
From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Tue Nov 11 16:21:43 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Clutch shifting lever bracket
Message-ID: bay139-w26c9b15fb44feea0c8cdd3f6...@phx.gbl


Hi Art, Edison called this assembly the clutch shifting lever bracket. Edison 
made upgrade kits for 2 minute phonographs.  Most of the D and higher models 
have the decal so you can tell if the machine is in 2 or 4 minute.  For the 2 
minute home and triumph Edison made the clutch shifting lever bracket with the 
pointer so you could tell if the phono was in 2 or 4 minute after it was 
upgraded.  The shifter moves the clutch casing which shifts gears and allows 
the feed screw to turn at half the speed (80 rpm) for 4 minute while keeping 
the mandrel turning at 160 rpm, or at 160 rpm in 2 minute.  On the D and higher 
models the clutch casing has a raised rim that allows you move it.   For the 
Home and Triumph Edison made 5 different upgrade mandrels, two for the home and 
three for the triumph, they are all marked with the model(s) they fit.  Later 
he also made kits that included large carriages and the diamond B so the 
earlier phonos could play as well as the later models.  He wanted to Amberolize 
the earlier cylinder phonograph and I have seen a photo of a home with a 
diamond B reproducer that had the 2/4 decal removed.  According to Frow it was 
August 1919 when he offered the diamond B kits to update the (estimated 90% of 
the still 2 minute only of the two million) home, standards, and triumphs so 
they could play the blue amberols. Any corrections or requests for additional 
information is welcome.  Best wishes, Steve From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 
9 Nov 2008 13:04:39 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 
Home   Hi group,  There is an interesting gadget on an Edison Home on ebay 
that I've never  seen before. Please look at ebay # 230306220713 Next to the 
drive belt there is a pointer which adjusts something in the  drive mechanism. 
I can't figure out what this thing does. Is it some kind of  add-on speed 
control? Thanks, Art Heller
From kugl...@wmconnect.com  Tue Nov 11 17:24:36 2008
From: kugl...@wmconnect.com (kugl...@wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue Nov 11 17:24:47 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700.
Message-ID: c57.4694c610.364b8...@wmconnect.com

Steve,

Isn't this the same ebay seller that stole Tim's photograph from his page 
selling an Edison?  Take a look at the feedback...A great big 0!

This looks like a professional photograph of an exceptional machine.  I know 
the market is down a bit, but come on, a Victor III in this condition (any 
presentable condition really) for $700.00.  As my mother used to say, 
Something 
smells fishy here!  And 'dog gone' it, look at the shipping charges.  The 
seller must also provide door to door delivery himself!

By the way, does anyone know how I can contact Charley Hummell?  Thanks to 
all for a fantastic thread.

Brantley
Williston, S.C.
From phonop...@aol.com  Tue Nov 11 18:00:56 2008
From: phonop...@aol.com (phonop...@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 11 18:01:17 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700.
In-Reply-To: bay139-w13957bfaa9f0d7ade72142f6...@phx.gbl
References: bay139-w13957bfaa9f0d7ade72142f6...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 8cb1281a2bd8d6e-fc-1...@webmail-my08.sysops.aol.com

Yes, this is the same scum bag that put up my Fireside. I note eBay never 
responded to my warnings. Nasty business.

Tim F.


-Original Message-
From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 7:15 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] The Vic III sold for $700.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=220307382319 The Vic 
III 
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[Phono-L] mailing list

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Over the next week or so, I'll be moving the list to an updated server  
- so as I'm testing things, you may notice some weirdness  
(disappearing, reappearing posts, etc.). I'll try to keep such stuff  
to a minimum.

Regards,
Loran

On Oct 26, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Mark Dawson wrote:

 Somehow I have recieved an email from   mailman bounces to say I  
 have been unsubcribed off the mailing list?, but i want to stay.  
 Mark Dawson NZ slowpost at clear.net.nz

[Phono-L] Snagged on eBay -- did it bite me?

[Loran Hughes]

It's an Edison Diamond Disc reproducer. Excellent price, if the stylus  
 diaphragm are undamaged.

Loran

On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Chris Kocsis wrote:

 Hi all, this is on its way to me.  I'm a novice at phonographs and  
 don't
 know what it is (my specialty is old light bulbs).  Anyone care to  
 tell
 me?  I'll be able to answer specific questions (like does it have a
 stylus?) when it comes

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITitem=200263341078

 Best,

 Chris

[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless

[Loran Hughes]

On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Mark Dawson wrote:

 Hi, you can hang and quarter me now.


No hangin's allowed here, Mark :) If you're happy with the deal,  
that's all that counts. Now, what else are you interested in?

;)
Loran

[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless

[Loran Hughes]

I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;)
Loran

On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote:

 It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new.  And no,  
 there is
 no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound  
 funky.
 George

[Phono-L] McGinty at the Living Pictures

[Loran Hughes]

Very close, Bruce. Live performers recreate scenes in famous paintings.

Loran

On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:22 PM, BruceY wrote:

 Two very nice additions to the list. What was the Difference between a
 Living Picture Show, as opposed to a Moving Picture show. I have  
 tried to
 find an explanation on line but can't find one. I am just guessing,  
 but
 maybe an early form of late 19th century amusement where the  
 performers
 actually appeared on stage in a big giant frame in still form and  
 then came
 to life to perform? Just a guess, if anyone else knows please  
 enlighten me.
 I had never heard the reference to Living Pictures before and  
 assumed it was
 an early reference to the first motion pictures. An obvious mistake  
 on my
 part.

 Bruce

[Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...

[Loran Hughes]

In Oregon, all it takes is $50 to register an assumed business name.  
Heck, I'll go one step further and claim the Edison distributorship  
for the west coast. Take that Jerry Blais and Brice Paris!

Loran

On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:28 PM, wilenzick at bellsouth.net wrote:

 I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights  
 of the
 Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India  
 bought the
 name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones.  Am I right  
 or not?

 Ray

[Phono-L] Incredible Collection of Antique Music/Recordings from 1888-1919 for download

[Loran Hughes]

OK, there are a couple of different issues here. I'm by no stretch of  
the imagination a copyright expert, but I'll give you my opinion.

First, let's talk about P2P (Peer to Peer). In the basic sense of the  
term, you're downloading and possibly sharing files with individual  
(usually home) computers. The technology has gotten a lot of bad press  
lately - the entertainment industry sees it as a vehicle to violate  
copyrights. If you were to, say, download a Brittany Spears album over  
a P2P network - besides the fact that you have questionable taste in  
music - you should know that your violating US copyright law.

Now, specifically to the material we're really talking about. Works  
produced pre-1923 are in the public domain. In the case of a  
compilation, you can't claim copyright over the individual public  
domain works, but may be able to claim copyright on the compilation  
itself (the order of the music, cover artwork, etc.). So, by  
downloading a compilation, you may be violating copyright law.

Works produced from 1923 and beyond may - or may not - be in the  
public domain, depending on the copyright law at the time of the work.  
Here's a great chart to help figure this stuff out:
http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/

There are plenty of places to download music  videos from those early  
days... www.archive.org is a good place to start.

Loran

On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:29 AM, chrisk33 at cox.net wrote:

 What ARE the potential (and likely) P2P / copyright issues with this  
 site?  I just discovered they also have mp3 files of a very  
 expensive $250+) set of CDs and DVDs published by the Bear Family.   
 Apparently it doesn't cost anything to download.

 Chris

[Phono-L] Exceptional Service

[Loran Hughes]

Folks,

I just want to publicly thank George Vollema... I had a small list of  
needs that I emailed to him last week. He came though for me on  
everything. He took the time to follow up with a couple of questions  
to ensure I got the right parts and got them out to me pretty darned  
fast. Oh, and he's always a pleasure to deal with!

Loran

[Phono-L] Concert Records

[Loran Hughes]

Ah-ha! Now we know Paul's secret formula.

LOL!
Loran

On Jul 18, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Albert wrote:

 The best thing about the Phoenix cylinders is the
 smell.  They remind me of the Crayolas we had in the early 1950s   
 they
 smelled really good.

[Phono-L] AB's and gear oiling

[Loran Hughes]

I've used Mike's whale oil. Quite frankly, it smells funny and doesn't  
perform well in cold weather. Personally, I prefer a fine sewing  
machine oil rendered from baby seals.

Loran

On Jul 15, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Rich wrote:

 Whale oil comes from an endangered species and if you have any you are
 in trouble.  Synthetic works well and is not endangered.

 Mike Stitt wrote:
 Agreed, other than pivots, which require very little oil the verge  
 and
 escapement may be oiled. Whale oil anyone?

[Phono-L] First Time Bit By Ebay Seller

[Loran Hughes]

Brantley,

By any chance, did you use a credit card via PayPal? If so, you can  
contact the CC company and dispute the charge.

Regards,
Loran

On Jul 6, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Kuglarb at wmconnect.com wrote:

 Hello Phono-Friends!  Hope all are well.  I just wanted to let you  
 know to
 never get complacent when buying on ebay.  I have been an ebay  
 seller for 10
 years, and a buyer longer than that.  Several weeks ago I bidded on  
 and won the
 bid on an item.  I really forgot about the item until something  
 reminded me of
 it. After about three weeks, I went into 'my ebay' and went to the  
 item that I
 had bought.  To my surprise, the seller had gone from a 96% feedback  
 rate to
 a rating of 54%!  Needless to say, I still have not received my item  
 and the
 seller will not respond to emails.  Just yesterday I went in to give  
 the proper
 negative feedback and was denied access due to the fact that ebay  
 removes a
 seller once the seller receives a negative 4 rating.  The feedbacks  
 that were
 posted are very nasty about the seller.

 I paid by Paypal and the investigation is underway.  Paypal sent me  
 a letter
 informing me that they will make all efforts to get the money back,  
 but they
 make no guarantees.  I thought ebay and Paypal will get your money  
 back up to a
 certain amount.  This is evidently not the case.  Again, buyers  
 beware!

 The point of this story is this...

 Only buy from reputable sellers.  Never take that 100% feedback for  
 granted.
 I guess I have done pretty well as this is the first time that I  
 have ever
 been taken by a seller.

 Beware, there are robbers out there and they are not just lurking in  
 the
 banks!

 Have a wonderful weekend.

 Brantley

[Phono-L] Define Egregious Fraud

[Loran Hughes]

I've gotta say that I've never seen that tag either. Not that I go out  
of my way looking for them anyway!

Loran

On Jul 6, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Walt wrote:

 Loran/All,

 Check this out:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300239434762

 Maybe these have been around and I am the last one to see an  
 example, but I
 haven't seen an example of a Graphanole (as shown on the tag).

[Phono-L] Need info on Geaorge A. Copeland

[Loran Hughes]

Jim,

Since you and Rene seem to have gotten the same email, I'd say that  
Mr. Copeland has a nasty bug on his computer which stole his contact  
list. I rather doubt his emails are being detoured, rather the  
scammer is just using Mr. Copeland's name (it's fairly easy to spoof  
email headers in that way). So drop Mr. Copeland an email and let him  
know that he should have his PC checked for viruses.

Regards,
Loran


On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:30 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote:
 I'd like to remain in touch with Mr. Copeland  obviously the  
 messages I
 send him are being detoured to a scammer.


On Jun 24, 2008, at 9:18 PM, TAEdisonJR at aol.com wrote:

 I am baiting this scammer using a fake  name and throwaway
 yahoo email address. His IP shows he is in Lagos, Nigeria,  not  
 London.

 In a message dated 6/24/2008 8:09:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 jimcip at earthlink.net writes:

 Yesterday, I received an e-mail message, not addressed to me   
 personally,
 represented as being from the well known record collector
 discographer
 George A.. Copeland claiming that he was in London, his money
 passport had been
 stolen  saying he needed 900 Pounds   asking the recipient to  
 help.

[Phono-L] CD's recycled as 45 RPM's

[Loran Hughes]

As I recall, the melting point of polycarbonates can be as high as 500  
F.

Loran

On May 12, 2008, at 6:10 AM, Ron L wrote:

 I wonder if a heated cutter is used.  I am pretty sure this makes a  
 less
 noisy groove.

 Ron L

[Phono-L] Someone got Lucky!

[Loran Hughes]

I like it when somebody in the group gets lucky now and then... good  
going Eric!

Loran


On May 9, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Eric Boyles wrote:

 John
 That would have been me...  it turned out to be a pretty nice
 mahogany Victor spear point with original elbow. It had been a good
 while since I found a bargain.
 Thanks for noticing, Eric

[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program

[Loran Hughes]

Bruce,

Reading the program, I'm thinking that this is not the Monarch you  
believe it to be. Not Victor, but a separate company named Monarch. I  
could be wrong - but then why would it say Victor and Monarch?

Loran

On Apr 17, 2008, at 4:14 PM, BruceY wrote:
 Sorry I must have gotten my history of these machines a little mixed  
 up or something. So the Monarch was a pre-victor era model but was  
 still offered by Eldridge Johnson with no referance to the Victor  
 Talking Machine Company, which was at this point in time initially  
 offering its series of early models with the Victor name and model  
 on them etc.? or something like that. I am going to run and get my  
 look for the dog now and study those pages so I don't screw up the  
 histories of these machines again. Thanks for setting me straight on  
 this.

 Bruce
 - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program


 Bruce,

 I think you misread this. It says the guy was an agent for Victor  
 AND Monarch Talking Machines. In other words, this is a Monarch,  
 not a  Victor Monarch.

 Loran

 On Apr 17, 2008, at 3:12 PM, BruceY wrote:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310042039598ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

 Here is a unique item for someone who owns a Victor Monarch  
 Talking Machine. It is a program from a Turn-of the Century  
 exhibitor who  played an interesting variety of the early victor  
 records on his  Victor Monarch Talking machine. Great to frame and  
 display on your  machine. I don't own a Victor Monarch but it  
 certainly is a unique  and interesting item of the time.

 Bruce
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[Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison

[Loran Hughes]

http://tinyurl.com/36z5cj

Loran
From emer...@wheatstate.com  Thu Mar 27 11:58:27 2008
From: emer...@wheatstate.com (Jackie Burwell)
Date: Thu Mar 27 12:33:49 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Standard X
Message-ID: 016c01c8903c$8dac3590$7b2cd...@dimension

I have a Standard X does anybody have pictures of the motor? Thanks Jackie My 
e-mail is emer...@wheatstate.com
From d...@old-phonographs.com  Thu Mar 27 12:37:21 2008
From: d...@old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Thu Mar 27 12:57:19 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison
In-Reply-To: 76526ef8-a7c5-42b5-a8f8-ba4bb5495...@oldcrank.com
References: 76526ef8-a7c5-42b5-a8f8-ba4bb5495...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: d14f697b0803271237h341f8605t6c71825aab51a...@mail.gmail.com

I thought one day someone would figure out how to do this. It's pretty cool.

Has anyone found the link on the NY Times site with the sound clip?

Dan

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/36z5cj

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From allena...@aol.com  Thu Mar 27 12:41:20 2008
From: allena...@aol.com (allena...@aol.com)
Date: Thu Mar 27 12:57:28 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison
Message-ID: d24.2431914b.351d5...@aol.com

 
In a message dated 3/27/2008 2:43:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lo...@oldcrank.com writes:

http://tinyurl.com/36z5cj

Loran


==
  i wonder why they mention such tracings from 1853-54?
 
What one should do is utilize the original machine to make a modern  
recording of a known person and song, apply the same computer program, and see  
what 
emerges (as compared to the reality).
 
Allen
  looking at such a machine right now.
_http://members.aol.com/allenamet/NYT32599.htm_ 
(http://members.aol.com/allenamet/NYT32599.htm) 
 
 



**Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL 
Home.  
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301)
From d...@old-phonographs.com  Thu Mar 27 12:42:02 2008
From: d...@old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Thu Mar 27 12:57:41 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison
In-Reply-To: d14f697b0803271237h341f8605t6c71825aab51a...@mail.gmail.com
References: 76526ef8-a7c5-42b5-a8f8-ba4bb5495...@oldcrank.com
d14f697b0803271237h341f8605t6c71825aab51a...@mail.gmail.com
Message-ID: d14f697b0803271242q25455b84q92800e24c7db5...@mail.gmail.com

Never mind about the link. It's on the left side of the page that the link
Loran provided goes to. I was just not very observant.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com
wrote:

 I thought one day someone would figure out how to do this. It's pretty
 cool.

 Has anyone found the link on the NY Times site with the sound clip?

 Dan

   On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
 wrote:

  http://tinyurl.com/36z5cj
 
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From gpaul2...@aol.com  Thu Mar 27 12:49:39 2008
From: gpaul2...@aol.com (gpaul2...@aol.com)
Date: Thu Mar 27 12:57:49 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison
In-Reply-To: 76526ef8-a7c5-42b5-a8f8-ba4bb5495...@oldcrank.com
References: 76526ef8-a7c5-42b5-a8f8-ba4bb5495...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 8ca5e5ad374ac19-1140-1...@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com


 Loran,

Thanks very much for passing this along. I had been wondering where David was 
all winter!

This is a significant development in recorded sound research, and should put to 
rest (at least until an earlier phonautographic tracing is found) the question 
of the world's oldest playable recording. This is one of the few times I'm 
thankful for computer-based technology - - and isn't it an ironic relationship?

George Paul


?



 

[Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison

[Loran Hughes]

You're welcome! I'm just blown away by the historic and technologic  
significance of this.

Loran

On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:49 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote:

 Loran,

 Thanks very much for passing this along. I had been wondering where  
 David was all winter!

 This is a significant development in recorded sound research, and  
 should put to rest (at least until an earlier phonautographic  
 tracing is found) the question of the world's oldest playable  
 recording. This is one of the few times I'm thankful for computer- 
 based technology - - and isn't it an ironic relationship?

 George Paul

[Phono-L] how to use website

[Loran Hughes]

William, what website do you need help with?
Loran

On Mar 25, 2008, at 1:16 PM, WILLIAM SHENETTE wrote:
 please help me navagate this website
 thanks from
 william shenette
From waves...@gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 11:26:52 2008
From: waves...@gmail.com (Charlotte Mager)
Date: Tue Mar 25 13:09:42 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] OTHER WAYS for Possible Ebay fraudulent listing
In-Reply-To: 8ec3b42b-e386-49cf-9a39-64a2b49ee...@oldcrank.com
References: 20080324161843.bmri11293.aarprv06.charter@your4dacd0ea75
000601c88dd5$1772d050$7501a...@albert
bc2ea8740803241226k67ed19dan82881be19fa17...@mail.gmail.com
29357ce79d6f4eb3abd33ce3c2d78...@dellxps410
bay123-dav766011e75e8ed6c559b3eaa...@phx.gbl
20080325072129.4137b42c...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com
e82cd3770803250445t12aa8987u8ddd711e0ec2e...@mail.gmail.com
8ec3b42b-e386-49cf-9a39-64a2b49ee...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: ff7c4eba0803251126g318de3caq8119663e7eaef...@mail.gmail.com

As for hard to break passwords. If you are old enough to remember when phone
numbers had two letters and 6 numbers Like Pennsylvania 5 6000 would be  PE5
6000 I find these little memories of the past do come in handy and are
easier for me to remember
As for security I try to scan every few days, suing a virus program, spybot,
lavasoft and clearing my cache after each time I'm on the internet. So far
so good.
Charlotte aka Waves


251 W. 30 St.
NY NY 10001
t. 212-273-9616
f. 201-461-7121
http://www.wavesllc.com
From tando...@rochester.rr.com  Tue Mar 25 14:59:58 2008
From: tando...@rochester.rr.com (Teri Andolina)
Date: Tue Mar 25 15:02:01 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] how to use website
References: fd45a58036aa4cb194209a847367e...@radiopc
2adc3877-3115-43c0-8fed-9c1676e36...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 003901c88ec3$91791e60$6401a...@ando

Can someone please help us, we have asked to be removed from this list but 
it has not worked!!  Help!  John and Teri.
- Original Message - 
From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] how to use website


 William, what website do you need help with?
 Loran

 On Mar 25, 2008, at 1:16 PM, WILLIAM SHENETTE wrote:
 please help me navagate this website
 thanks from
 william shenette
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[Phono-L] Birthday wishes

[Loran Hughes]

Ron,

Check out Google's logo today (www.google.com).

Loran

On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Ron L wrote:

 Today is Alexander Graham Bell's Birthday.   I work in Boston, not  
 all that
 far from where he (and Edison) did research.

 It is a good time to play Give Me Your Telephone Number.

 Ron L
From bruce78...@comcast.net  Mon Mar  3 11:51:53 2008
From: bruce78...@comcast.net (BruceY)
Date: Mon Mar  3 11:55:27 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Birthday wishes
References: 005301c87d63$87103600$90d42...@ad.bu.edu
2187ff4d-cdf6-448e-a40d-1aca29cf9...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 005d01c87d68$0853ce80$6401a...@user52c8f93503

http://bnrg.eecs.berkeley.edu/~randy/Courses/CS39C.S97/telephone/telephone.html

and we seem to be only 7 days away from the anniversary of the first 
demonstration of the electronic transmission of speech.

Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Birthday wishes


 Ron,

 Check out Google's logo today (www.google.com).

 Loran

 On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Ron L wrote:

 Today is Alexander Graham Bell's Birthday.   I work in Boston, not  all 
 that
 far from where he (and Edison) did research.

 It is a good time to play Give Me Your Telephone Number.

 Ron L
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[Phono-L] Columbia Frankenphone

[Loran Hughes]

For a modification, that's actually kinda cool looking (except for the  
funky winding key). It also looks like the pressboard faux leather  
trim was removed. I've posted about the Europa before - basically, the  
internal / external horn models have the same body, but different  
bases. There are at least a couple of variations in the faux leather  
trim patterns. They also seemed to use any single spring motor that  
they had lying around. There is also a round birthday cake  internal  
horn model that went by the name of Lyric which was probably sold in  
the British  Canadian markets.

I've yet to find any advertising on the Europa - FWIW, the patent  
label doesn't mention Columbia, but lists Columbia patents. I did  
however come across a real photo with a gaggle of girls sitting at a  
picnic table with the internal horn Europa.

Regards,
Loran

On Feb 20, 2008, at 7:14 PM, est...@localnet.com wrote:


 Looks like someone has taken a Columbia Europa (I forget the model
 designation) and done a major cob job on it.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-PHONOGRAPH-PLAYER-metal-case-reproducer_W0QQitemZ170195414574QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

From deedeebl...@yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 06:25:13 2008
From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Fri Feb 22 06:25:30 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Salem Oregon Phono Sale
Message-ID: 570602.87662...@web37011.mail.mud.yahoo.com

The Sounds of Nostalgia phonograph sale was last
Sunday.  For a small local sale, it was quite
successful.  I sold five out of six machines on my
table (Canadian Berliner, Edison Standard with #10
cygnet, Zonophone Home, Amberola 50, and an Amberola
DX.  Other machines that sold included a Vic V, Vic I,
Vic O, Standard A, Col Q, Edison Home, and another
Standard with #10 cygnet.  I talked to some vendors
that thought the sale was poorly attended but I had a
good time (and took home the Vic O!).  Happy
Collecting, Jerry Blais


  

Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
From s...@clarphon.com  Fri Feb 22 09:29:15 2008
From: s...@clarphon.com (stan stanford)
Date: Fri Feb 22 09:28:21 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Salem Oregon Phono Sale
References: 570602.87662...@web37011.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Message-ID: 001801c87578$72e0ce80$6601a...@toshibauser

I too enjoyed the Sounds of Nostalgia event in Salem, Oregon.I sold a 
nice Edison Home and and 5-drawer cylinder cabinet as well as cylinders, 
records and various other small related items.   I also bought 2 nice small 
machines including a beautiful Jack and Jill childrens machine with the 
original box.   The event is now in a different and newer building and, I 
think, more pleasant.

The Oregon Territory Antique Phonograph Society also inducted 4 new members 
into our local MAPS chapter at the Salem event.   Come join us next year for 
the event in the middle of February.

stan stanford




- Original Message - 
From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:25 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Salem Oregon Phono Sale


 The Sounds of Nostalgia phonograph sale was last
 Sunday.  For a small local sale, it was quite
 successful.  I sold five out of six machines on my
 table (Canadian Berliner, Edison Standard with #10
 cygnet, Zonophone Home, Amberola 50, and an Amberola
 DX.  Other machines that sold included a Vic V, Vic I,
 Vic O, Standard A, Col Q, Edison Home, and another
 Standard with #10 cygnet.  I talked to some vendors
 that thought the sale was poorly attended but I had a
 good time (and took home the Vic O!).  Happy
 Collecting, Jerry Blais


 
 
 Looking for last minute shopping deals?
 Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. 
 http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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[Phono-L] Good habits for the new members, and the old

[Loran Hughes]

Amen. Remember also, this list is archived and searchable on the web.  
Before you hit that send button, take a deep breath and read what  
you've composed - do you really want those words hung out there for  
all to see?

Loran

On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:

 We have a whole lot of new members on the list - let's all try to be  
 polite as they integrate and learn the ways of our group.

 So yes, let's remember to do things like change our subject lines as  
 topics evolve.  And let's also be courteous in the way we gently  
 remind folks to do so.

 -- peter
From esrobe...@hotmail.com  Thu Feb  7 12:27:15 2008
From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright)
Date: Thu Feb  7 12:27:25 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Article on ebay backlash
References: 
000601c86819$e97a0be0$0200a...@office47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.combay123-dav14049431ae33eba9f9485daa...@phx.gbl01f101c8683e$bfed9a60$6500a...@your4dacd0ea7547a8f354.7030...@mediaguide.com002801c868de$b9bf9cb0$0200a...@office
d68735d3-5244-462c-8384-75adc318e...@alamedanet.net
bay113-w86840a3b76ca42719282adb...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: bay123-dav5fbd0f3b2be7e5b31e521aa...@phx.gbl

Revolution NOW!  How do big corporations think they'll be let off the hook 
for such egregious offenses?  I will never understand that.

Great article.  I gotta disagree wholly with the guy who thinks buyers want 
a 'dialog' with sellers, at least as far as I'm concerned -- right, that's 
why Amazon has been such a huge failure, fixed prices.  *rolls eyes*  I am 
100 times more likely to buy an item listed with a Buy It Now button, just 
because I don't have to maintain that transaction later.  I trust my own 
research through eBay and other sites to know when sellers have been fully 
tempered for the best price by the amount of selling experience they have. 
Thanks for the link, Keith!

Best to all except eBay,
Robert


- Original Message - 
From: Keith Wright khwri...@hotmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Article on ebay backlash



I send this just because there has been a lot of buzz on the new rates 
lately:

http://tinyurl.com/28gm5m

Keith
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[Phono-L] Franken Victor R

[Loran Hughes]

That looks just like the one Mike S. sold me... hey, wait a minute...

;)
Loran

On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Keith Wright wrote:


 In the you don't see one of these every day department, a poor  
 Victor R listed for 'parts':

 http://tinyurl.com/2gjovf

 Keith
From keeper...@aol.com  Wed Feb  6 13:26:19 2008
From: keeper...@aol.com (keeper...@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  6 13:26:55 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion  Suddenly Unrecognized Passwords
Message-ID: d08.2a327039.34db7...@aol.com

 
In a message dated 2/6/2008 4:42:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
rvu...@comcast.net writes:

If your  password was the same as your email address, as mine originally was, 
eBay  forced you to change it for security reasons.  I had to change mine a  
second time because someone hacked it and changed it.  I couldn't  even get 
into my own account.  Fortunately I found it before any real  damage was 
done.  I recently had to change it again.  I think  someone else hacked into 
my account.  I think you are being forced to  change it for this reason.  I 
wonder how the hackers get passed  eBay's security system.  I've often 
wondered it there is someone  inside the company that's providing information 
to the  hackers.
RMV



That may be your case, RMV, but my password was not related to my e-mail  
address.  It was arbitrary and unreasonable as far as I can  determine.
 
Thanks!
 
: )
 
Edward



**Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 
(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025
48)
From keeper...@aol.com  Wed Feb  6 13:28:00 2008
From: keeper...@aol.com (keeper...@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  6 13:36:01 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion  Suddenly Unrecognized Passwords
Message-ID: c19.2e23d785.34db8...@aol.com

 
In a message dated 2/6/2008 6:34:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
rich-m...@octoxol.com writes:

What web  browser are/were you using when this occurred?  Were you hand  
entering your password or were you using  autocomplete?




I use AOL.  I hand enter my passwords.
 
Thanks!
 
: )
 
Edward



**Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 
(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025
48)
From thatc...@mediaguide.com  Wed Feb  6 13:51:18 2008
From: thatc...@mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham)
Date: Wed Feb  6 14:08:13 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Portables
In-Reply-To: bay113-w4a0b9dbc20f783fa34420db...@phx.gbl
References: 3c7aed050802052234j351dbff0ibfd5a12994341...@mail.gmail.com
bay113-w4a0b9dbc20f783fa34420db...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 47aa2bd6.2090...@mediaguide.com

Would anybody here trust a portable made by Jeep for the U.S. Army? Ebay 
Item number: 200197974574

Link 
http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-Army-Phonograph-Harley-WLA-Dodge-WC-Jeep-MB-GPW_W0QQitemZ200197974574QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4721QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Keith Wright wrote:
 Sorry, I also intended to add this.  The HMVs I've seen all have metal straps 
 inside the decaying leather so there have been no failures.  For esthetic 
 reasons I've had the handles resheathed at a local shoe repair. Date: Wed, 6 
 Feb 2008 01:34:42 -0500 From: citypoin...@gmail.com To: 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Re: PortablesFrom: Robert 
 WrightOnly rule I can think of is never trust the original 
 handle!   AMEN! I've learned that lesson the hard way..twice. Ron L. 
 saved me once.  I have a Columbia 163 very similar to the 161. It is a 
 fantastic portable. But I think my favorite is my HMV 101 what an amazing 
 phonograph. I'm hoping the D-G machine will sound as good. I have heard from 
 a few collector that many of the later forties era portables are not worth 
 picking up. Although Birches seem to sell pretty well on E-Bay.  Regards, 
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[Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral

[Loran Hughes]

On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:

 and if you get a registration page, folks, well, just register.  and  
 then you'll be able to see what is offered.  registration may seem  
 like a privacy invasion of sorts but you can always give phony info  
 - all that is really needed is a valid email adr.

I keep a throw away email address specifically to do such things.  
Just get a Gmail, Yahoo, or other free account, open with a fake name  
if you like, and register away.

Loran
From rich-m...@octoxol.com  Wed Nov 21 09:10:37 2007
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Wed Nov 21 09:10:55 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral
In-Reply-To: 254223e5-141c-458c-8c52-b814a44b7...@oldcrank.com
References: 005d01c82b2d$14906830$6401a...@user52c8f93503 
000501c82b72$1cb529c0$5852c...@timead073317c3 
003c01c82b77$3edc32a0$6401a...@user52c8f93503 4742ed0e.3020...@octoxol.com  
000c01c82b81$371ca9a0$5852c...@timead073317c3 4742f729.3070...@octoxol.com  
000a01c82b92$5fbb7740$5852c...@timead073317c3 
9ac084e5-55ee-46cc-951d-0c4e71fa7...@alamedanet.net
254223e5-141c-458c-8c52-b814a44b7...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 4744668d.4010...@octoxol.com

My $0.02 worth.  It is not the idea of using a throw away e-mail that 
I object to, it is the hubris of the organization requesting 
registration to start with.  And just what does the organization behind 
the Tiny URL service do with all of those original URLs?  If you can not 
deal with the original direct URL, tough.  You may have noticed if you 
do a deal of internet shopping that there is a quiet movement to let you 
purchase from an internet site with out registering.  You are giving 
them a billing, shipping, and credit card number.  Thy usually request 
an e-mail to send the confirmation to but that is not a requirement. 
change is coming.  For the computer initiated, check out google-analytics.

I do wonder what happened to the funeral recordings.  Trashed I suspect.

Loran Hughes wrote:
 On Nov 21, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:
 
 and if you get a registration page, folks, well, just register.  and 
 then you'll be able to see what is offered.  registration may seem 
 like a privacy invasion of sorts but you can always give phony info - 
 all that is really needed is a valid email adr.
 
 I keep a throw away email address specifically to do such things. Just 
 get a Gmail, Yahoo, or other free account, open with a fake name if you 
 like, and register away.
 
 Loran
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From tvene...@optonline.net  Wed Nov 21 10:46:28 2007
From: tvene...@optonline.net (tim venetis)
Date: Wed Nov 21 10:43:17 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral
References: 005d01c82b2d$14906830$6401a...@user52c8f93503
000501c82b72$1cb529c0$5852c...@timead073317c3
003c01c82b77$3edc32a0$6401a...@user52c8f93503
4742ed0e.3020...@octoxol.com
000c01c82b81$371ca9a0$5852c...@timead073317c3
4742f729.3070...@octoxol.com
000a01c82b92$5fbb7740$5852c...@timead073317c3
9ac084e5-55ee-46cc-951d-0c4e71fa7...@alamedanet.net
Message-ID: 002601c82c6e$d3a2ddb0$5852c...@timead073317c3

i must be going to a different page i do not see registration page
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral


remember that most of our membership is more comfortable with
crank'n'spring technology than that of today.  so use tinyurl.com for
any long or complex urls, and check for any registration requirement
on links you provide.

and if you get a registration page, folks, well, just register.  and
then you'll be able to see what is offered.  registration may seem
like a privacy invasion of sorts but you can always give phony info -
all that is really needed is a valid email adr.

and the New York Times has lots of great content so it's worth
registering anyway...

On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:28 AM, tim venetis wrote:

 this is what came up on the link
 100125690[1].pdf

 Published: December 18, 1914
 Copyright ? The New York Times
 I downloaded adobey reader 8 and i also got that information
 - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral


 No, it does not unless it is clicked from YOUR (Tim Ventis)  computer. 
 For everyone else it dumps you at the NYT login page.

 tim venetis wrote:
 this link brings up a download pdf file to download
 http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=sloginoref=slogin
  - 
   Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l

[Phono-L] Does this look fishy???

[Loran Hughes]

I was able to find it in a listing # search just a half hour ago.  
Definitely an eBay page, but was cross-site css scripted.

Loran

On Nov 15, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Rich wrote:

 eBay report this says that the auction number is either ended or not  
 valid.  The entire site looks to be FAKE!
From msprin...@juno.com  Thu Nov 15 10:33:24 2007
From: msprin...@juno.com (msprin...@juno.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:35:20 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy???
Message-ID: 20071115.133324.2039...@webmail04.dca.untd.com

I reported the auction to eBay -- there's a link at the bottom of every eBay 
page in the other options section called report this item.  And so I did!  
I don't know if it was my report that had them take the auction down (you can't 
get it even by item number any more), but at least it's not up there any more.

-- BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:
I wonder why ebay allows this scam to continue.
- Original Message - 
From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy???


 Yep. Oddly enough, the HTML block didn't show up on my Mac... I had to  go 
 to a Windows machine to see what he's done. He created a stylesheet 
 overlay for the bid and buy it now buttons... fortunately, it's rather 
 sloppy work. The background color is off slightly and doesn't match up 
 with the page very well. Not to mention that he forgot to hyperlink  the 
 button images ;) It appears to be coming from a server in the  Czech 
 Republic.

 Again, this shows up only on my Windows machine in both Firefox and IE.

 Loran

 On Nov 15, 2007, at 8:29 AM, msprin...@juno.com wrote:

 The seller has rigged his eBay listing in HTML to add these two  squares 
 on top of the eBay page.  Note you can't even click on the  buy it now 
 button!
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From rich-m...@octoxol.com  Thu Nov 15 10:36:15 2007
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:43:08 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy???
In-Reply-To: 64937088-1eb3-4d84-99d4-333acfb5f...@oldcrank.com
References: 24648.21933...@web83014.mail.mud.yahoo.com
f3f30a6c-bd7f-44b4-b3f8-63533811f...@oldcrank.com 
473c820b.6010...@octoxol.com
64937088-1eb3-4d84-99d4-333acfb5f...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 473c919f.3010...@octoxol.com

Just tried it, looks gone from ebay


Loran Hughes wrote:
 I was able to find it in a listing # search just a half hour ago. 
 Definitely an eBay page, but was cross-site css scripted.
 
 Loran
 
 On Nov 15, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Rich wrote:
 
 eBay report this says that the auction number is either ended or not 
 valid.  The entire site looks to be FAKE!
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From msprin...@juno.com  Thu Nov 15 11:36:01 2007
From: msprin...@juno.com (msprin...@juno.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 11:37:08 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Gene Autry 78s from 1921
Message-ID: 20071115.143601.2892...@webmail02.dca.untd.com

A person named Pat who works in a church thrift store contacted me because some 
78s were donated -- specifically some by Gene Autry.  If anyone has any 
interest in those, please contact Pat directly at: pastas...@verizon.net.
From ge...@comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 12:49:37 2007
From: ge...@comcast.net (ger)
Date: Thu Nov 15 12:50:51 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Gene Autry 78s from 1921
References: 20071115.143601.2892...@webmail02.dca.untd.com
Message-ID: 001301c827c9$0a582e00$74f00...@ger1

Didn't Gene Autry die a few years ago??

Ger

ger55 on ebay; ge...@comcast.net
Victorian Glass Plus!
http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/
  - Original Message - 
  From: msprin...@juno.com 
  To: toastofnewy...@yahoogroups.com ; phono-l@oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:36 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Gene Autry 78s from 1921


  A person named Pat who works in a church thrift store contacted me because 
some 78s were donated -- specifically some by Gene Autry.  If anyone has any 
interest in those, please contact Pat directly at: pastas...@verizon.net.
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From ge...@comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 13:00:43 2007
From: ge...@comcast.net (ger)
Date: Thu Nov 15 13:01:00 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Selling
Message-ID: 001a01c827ca$97771520$74f00...@ger1

I have a large collection of phonographs, records, and accessories from the 
late 1950-60's which I have finally cataloged and photographed. Phew! My father 
was a collector and I've

[Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??

[Loran Hughes]

Service No. is a bad idea for us younger vets... it's now just your  
SSN.

Loran

On Oct 25, 2007, at 6:42 AM, Ron L wrote:

 Service number? Nope, I was 1Y

 Ron (blind in one eye)L

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l- 
 boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Rich
 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:57 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??

 Remember your service number?  Use it along with a couple of special
 characters.
From rich-m...@octoxol.com  Thu Oct 25 09:34:04 2007
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Thu Oct 25 09:34:21 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??
In-Reply-To: 967b580b-ae9b-47ce-bdda-cc86f6c9f...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 20071025163417.063022a6...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com

That is lousy way to guard the privacy of that number...

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:16:27 -0700, Loran Hughes wrote:

Service No. is a bad idea for us younger vets... it's now just your  
SSN.

Loran

On Oct 25, 2007, at 6:42 AM, Ron L wrote:

 Service number? Nope, I was 1Y

 Ron (blind in one eye)L

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l- 
 boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Rich
 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:57 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??

 Remember your service number?  Use it along with a couple of special
 characters.
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[Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??

[Loran Hughes]

Yep. Or open the *wrong* web site. Especially if you use the Windows/ 
Internet Explorer/Outlook combo. Nothing is 100% safe, but you can  
minimize your exposure by keeping your system up to date, yada, yada.

Loran
(insert your favorite Mac testimonial here)

On Oct 24, 2007, at 12:17 PM, BruceY wrote:

 Yikes!!! Someone please tell me that it can't be that easy!!

 Bruce
 Bruce,  I had my eBay identity AND password hijacked recently and   
 someone
 used it to put a bunch of Mercedes, Jaguars and Rovers up on eBay  
 for sale by
 ..me!  I still haven't figured out how they would benefit  
 from  this. But
 I was told by eBay that you don't even have to click on the  links  
 given on
 the phishing site for them to find your password.  You just  have  
 to OPEN a
 phishing email for them to gain that information.  I  certainly  
 don't understand
 how they can do that.   I'm opening fewer  emails now!
 ---Art Heller
From steve_nor...@msn.com  Wed Oct 24 15:34:32 2007
From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Wed Oct 24 15:34:41 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??
In-Reply-To: edb0ee00-eb27-43c0-b503-8181c7046...@oldcrank.com
References: 410-220071032431233...@earthlink.net
000b01c8164b$1dc66a40$6401a...@user52c8f93503 
edb0ee00-eb27-43c0-b503-8181c7046...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: bay102-w176cdf61a60695fde4f29af6...@phx.gbl

The latest is the 'you have been chosen as a power seller'  I sell five things 
a year, if that so I suspected it.  The best thing to do is to go to my 
messages and if its not there send it to spoof at ebay or paypal dot com so 
they can investigate and shut down the sites and NEVER go to any account using 
any shortcut sent via your e-mail account unless you subscribe to the message 
you are getting.  
From d...@old-phonographs.com  Wed Oct 24 16:50:00 2007
From: d...@old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Wed Oct 24 16:59:12 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??
References: 20071024215348.974562a4...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com
Message-ID: 003d01c81698$98d14230$6501a...@danslaptop

The previous post wasn't completely accurate, but there was some good 
advise. Change settings on any email reader to not show the content of the 
email unless you open it. All the issues mentioned below go away. Also, if 
you use Automatic Update with any operating system you have the likelyhood 
of such issues go way down as well. Caution is the the key. Don't open or 
respond to emails from anyone you don't know. Don't click on links in emails 
you don't trust. It's fairly simple.

Also, the ebay password is not on your computer in a cookie unless you say 
remember me on this computer. Something I never do on any computer for any 
password. That again is not unique to windows. The password is stored on 
your computer by the web page when you click on the remember me on this 
system part of the login page.

Dan
- Original Message - 
From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??


 If using Windows and either Microsoft email programs, Outlook or Outlook 
 Express, you need to be aware
 that Internet Explorer stores login information.  The email program will 
 run a script if you open or view,
 an email.  The script will go extract your login info and ship it off 
 through the internet.  see the linkage
 of the email and the browser?  That is the hole.  The script in question 
 is usually a .vbs routine
 embedded in an HTML formatted email.  Outlook / Outlook Express run the 
 ,vbs by default, you can turn
 this feature off.  Also turn off displaying HTML emails.

 This is how you loose your ID and Password and never filled in anything.


 On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:48:20 EDT, aph4...@aol.com wrote:

Bruce,  I had my eBay identity AND password hijacked recently and  someone
used it to put a bunch of Mercedes, Jaguars and Rovers up on eBay for 
sale by
..me!  I still haven't figured out how they would benefit from  this. 
But
I was told by eBay that you don't even have to click on the  links given 
on
the phishing site for them to find your password.  You just  have to OPEN 
a
phishing email for them to gain that information.  I  certainly don't 
understand
how they can do that.   I'm opening fewer  emails now!
---Art Heller



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[Phono-L] Fwd: Re: John Davis

[Loran Hughes]

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Mike Stitt smst...@mind.net
 Date: September 18, 2007 2:36:12 PM PDT
 Subject: Re: John Davis

 Mike Stitt wrote:
 John will be missed.
 I remember going over to his house with an old GE fan. He wanted  
 to trade. I liked the fan and wanted to keep it so we just had a  
 visit. He showed me his Edison bi-polar fan and then his light  
 bulbs. He had an Edison light bulb with a bamboo filament. John  
 fired it up!
 I think that about says it all. Had I owned it I wouldn't fire it  
 up for love or money, even for my good buddy Jerry! Well maybe,   
 maybe after a few beers.
 Will miss ya John.

[Phono-L] Mystery

[Loran Hughes]

I've seen your horn, Mike. That red stuff is called rust.

;)
Loran

On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Mike Stitt wrote:

 I remember an experiment with an artist. They gave him one of his  
 early painting and asked him to repaint it exactly as the one of  
 his youth. He did and the colors were all wrong.
 Jerry your horn is fine, you are just old! I see the red on my Vic  
 O perfectly. It's around the elbow and a air brushed style at the  
 horn tips.

From bjohn...@mrvictor.com  Wed Sep  5 10:27:29 2007
From: bjohn...@mrvictor.com (Bob Johnson)
Date: Wed Sep  5 10:33:38 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery
In-Reply-To: 46ded339.2030...@oldcranky.com
Message-ID: 200709051727.l85hronm025...@dish8.net.ibizdns.com

Jerry, Mike and All:  I purchased my Victor 0 in 1999.  It had the yellow
horn but no mahogany colored paint on the tips of the petals.  I later found
out that the paint used for this mahogany color easily faded over time.  I
purchased a better horn later on ebay that had some of the faded mahogany
paint still showing, but it too was badly faded out.  I finally was able to
purchase a nice yellow horn with all of the correct mahogany paint on both
the tips of the petals and near the elbow.  That horn cost me $630.00!!!
But I believe it is the only way the Victor 0 horn was sold.  By the way,
I have two yellow horns for sale if anyone needs one, but of course missing
the correct mahogany paint.  Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Stitt
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:03 AM
To: phono-l
Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery

I remember an experiment with an artist. They gave him one of his early 
painting and asked him to repaint it exactly as the one of his youth. He 
did and the colors were all wrong.
Jerry your horn is fine, you are just old! I see the red on my Vic O 
perfectly. It's around the elbow and a air brushed style at the horn tips.

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[Phono-L] I need help! (Or a big screwdriver)

[Loran Hughes]

Rich,

I can understand not using oil, but does graphite also do nasty  
things to the finish or is it just a pain to clean up (or both)?

Loran

On Aug 26, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Rich wrote:

 If the key locked it then the same key will unlock it.  I have no  
 first hand knowledge of the internal
 working of that lock.  But the thing that usually fixes balky locks  
 for me is a dry lubricant.  Something
 like powdered mica.  Stay away from graphite or oil, far away.   
 This can take some doing to get the stuff
 into all of the areas it needs to be.  It will not hurt the finish  
 or stain anything so you can blast a lot of it
 into the lock and then agitate it with compressed air.
From rich-m...@octoxol.com  Mon Aug 27 10:28:28 2007
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Mon Aug 27 10:33:35 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] I need help! (Or a big screwdriver)
In-Reply-To: 045e75a1-7612-435b-b974-47781a88a...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 20070827172837.b5a7822c...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com

Dry graphite can end up being rubbed into the finish and will be permanent.  If 
it a graphite - oil or 
solvent product it will definitely end up in the finish and both the wet and 
dry will ruin a turntable felt.  
Also stains any unfinished wood.  Dry powdered mica will not stick or stain 
like graphite.  It is also a 
better lubricant for locks.  The problem with the lock in question is that 
there is poor mechanical 
advantage to pull the little ears back into the bolt.  Any corrosion or dirt 
and they stick.

I know people use it and I have seen the mess it can make.  Does not do it 
every time but do you want to 
take a chance.


On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:01:27 -0700, Loran Hughes wrote:

Rich,

I can understand not using oil, but does graphite also do nasty  
things to the finish or is it just a pain to clean up (or both)?

Loran

On Aug 26, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Rich wrote:

 If the key locked it then the same key will unlock it.  I have no  
 first hand knowledge of the internal
 working of that lock.  But the thing that usually fixes balky locks  
 for me is a dry lubricant.  Something
 like powdered mica.  Stay away from graphite or oil, far away.   
 This can take some doing to get the stuff
 into all of the areas it needs to be.  It will not hurt the finish  
 or stain anything so you can blast a lot of it
 into the lock and then agitate it with compressed air.
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[Phono-L] wow.

[Loran Hughes]

On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Walt wrote:

 Aww.Rob said, Blickfang...LOL...

 (I knew that blickfang is German for eye catching or an eye  
 catcher but
 it just sorta sounds like it ought to be one of those nasty forbidden
 words(Can I get a little help here, a chuckle?...I think my  
 humor missed
 the mark...frown...I better quit...)

I thought that BLICKFANG was the sound it makes as it plays your  
favorite Alma Gluck record backwards

;)
Loran
From john9...@pacbell.net  Fri Aug 17 19:06:26 2007
From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Fri Aug 17 19:08:39 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] wow.
In-Reply-To: 8cbd11b6-c7d0-4a53-a20b-3ca6ea229...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 464534.97561...@web83015.mail.mud.yahoo.com

I think the first recorded opera was 'La Crappiata' starring the famous German 
soprano Brunhilde Von Blickfang...

Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:  On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Walt 
wrote:

 Aww.Rob said, Blickfang...LOL...

 (I knew that blickfang is German for eye catching or an eye 
 catcher but
 it just sorta sounds like it ought to be one of those nasty forbidden
 words(Can I get a little help here, a chuckle?...I think my 
 humor missed
 the mark..I better quit...)

I thought that BLICKFANG was the sound it makes as it plays your 
favorite Alma Gluck record backwards

;)
Loran
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[Phono-L] Victor P bracket

[Loran Hughes]

Other than gently wiping with a soft (microfiber) cloth to knock the  
dust off, I'd leave well enough alone. I'm a believer that patina  
shows the piece has lived a nice, long life.

Loran

On Jun 21, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Dan Kj wrote:

 I knew someone who had the same finish on all the door hardware in  
 his house
   he removed every piece  got them all clean again with some  
 kind of
 industrial polishing compound.  I couldn't tell if he was  
 disappointed when I
 told him the pieces were  SUPPOSED to have spots of different- 
 colored metal.
 ack.



 - Original Message -
 From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P bracket


 I had good luck cleaning mine with  steel wool and some  
 waterless hand
 cleaner that mechanics use.  Go easy with it or you might end up  
 stripping the
 whole thing off.  When you see some of the copper coming back, quit.
   Dave

 phonofo...@aol.com wrote:

 I have an oxidized Victor P front mount support brack that is very  
 dark. How
 could I bring the support bracket back to life so it will show the  
 oxidized
 finish? Do I remove the old laquer/shellac finish and then  
 relacquer? If so what
 type of finish remover would you recommend? Thanks!

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[Phono-L] the 1908 William Jennings Bryan-Taf presidential candidate records

[Loran Hughes]

Ron,

I didn't go through the entire list, but you'll find at least some of  
the recordings posted here:
http://www.nps.gov/archive/edis/edisonia/documentary.htm

FYI, copyright law is a tad more complicated than 75 years... but  
pre-1924 materials (including recordings) are in the public domain.

Loran

On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Ron Cowen wrote:

 Hi, this is Ron Cowen, a phoho collector and writer, who plans to  
 write an article on the first use of records in 1908 among the two  
 presidential candidates. First, although I know the records have  
 been converted to CD, can someone authoratatively tell me whether  
 they can  legally be posted at the web site of a major magazine  
 without any copywright issue? (I know songsheets lose their  
 original copywright after 75 years but didn't know if this appplied  
 to records or not.)
 Second, aside from what the Edison monthly told about the records,  
 if any one has any written accounts describing the making of the  
 records, their impact on the campaign, how they were viewed by the  
 public and the meidia, I'd be grateful. How did Columbia records  
 get into the act--I saw there was one record of Bryan made for  
 Columbia that was recently on ebay.
 Thanks,
 Ron Cowen
 you contact me at
 rco...@sciserv.org
 301/681-3053 home
 202/872-5119 work
 or by mail
 Ron Cowen
 10109 Gates Ave
 Silver Spring,MD 20902

[Phono-L] C-19 with original grillecloth??

[Loran Hughes]

John,

Download Google's Picasa at http://tinyurl.com/yxjx5b and use their  
free 250MB upload service.

Loran

On Mar 15, 2007, at 7:07 AM, john robles wrote:

 How cool is that!! This is original then. THe texture made me think  
 so. Anyone got a good image hosting setup? I need some tutoring in  
 that.
   This machine by the way is fumed oak.
   J

[Phono-L] An eBay first I think.....

[Loran Hughes]

ROFL!

Loran

On Mar 12, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Walt wrote:

 A friend of mine just sent me the link below for eBay item  
 230103467427.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230103467427

 It sorta looks like Flemish oak... No...No, I've got it, its  
 flamish oak.

 (I think the seller must be either kidding with the remark about it  
 not
 having any damage from the fire, or, perhaps that is just a  
 reference to its
 mechanical operation. Either that, or someone please, please,  
 please, define
 damage.)

 Amazing...

 Walt

[Phono-L] A couple of notes about the list

[Loran Hughes]

Folks,

Just a couple of notes from the list-meister.

Respect copyrights: Please do not post articles from newspapers,  
magazines, etc. It is a violation of copyright law. Remember, not  
only does the post land in your email, it also is automagically  
loaded up on the internet in our public archive. The proper way to  
relay the article is to simply provide the link back to the original  
source (Fair Use also allows you to quote a small portion of the text  
if you wish). I'm not a big fan of receiving nasty letters from  
corporate lawyers ;)

Photo attachments: At this time, you can't post photo attachments on  
the list. I have filters that intercept posts containing attachments  
of any type (although a photo post snuck through a while back). Photo  
attachments mess with the digest version of the list and make life  
miserable for our dial-up users. Even though each post is scanned for  
viruses, it provides an extra level of protection to simply ban all  
attachments. There are plenty of free photo upload sites - use 'em  
for your photos and reference the link in your email.

Repository update: Yes, I'm still working on it. Recent family  
matters put me behind the eight-ball (everything's fine), but I'll be  
back on it this week!

Loran
From pjfra...@alamedanet.net  Sun Mar 11 11:12:16 2007
From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser)
Date: Sun Mar 11 11:12:39 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] A couple of notes about the list
In-Reply-To: 964a890e-92ea-40c7-a49c-7f8426936...@oldcrank.com
References: 964a890e-92ea-40c7-a49c-7f8426936...@oldcrank.com
Message-ID: 06cd89fc-f2ea-482d-a355-9b40bee4f...@alamedanet.net

hmmm - so even though i provided the article, fully credited and  
intact, it's uncool?  that's sort of odd, i think, especially since  
they provide an email this article feature...but i agree, better  
safe than sorry, for list moms!

the main reason i posted it was because i knew most of our members  
wouldn't be able to figure out how to view it otherwise, because NYT  
requires a basic sign-in to occur.

-- peter

On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Loran Hughes wrote:

 Folks,

 Just a couple of notes from the list-meister.

 Respect copyrights: Please do not post articles from newspapers,  
 magazines, etc. It is a violation of copyright law. Remember, not  
 only does the post land in your email, it also is automagically  
 loaded up on the internet in our public archive. The proper way to  
 relay the article is to simply provide the link back to the  
 original source (Fair Use also allows you to quote a small portion  
 of the text if you wish). I'm not a big fan of receiving nasty  
 letters from corporate lawyers ;)

 Photo attachments: At this time, you can't post photo attachments  
 on the list. I have filters that intercept posts containing  
 attachments of any type (although a photo post snuck through a  
 while back). Photo attachments mess with the digest version of the  
 list and make life miserable for our dial-up users. Even though  
 each post is scanned for viruses, it provides an extra level of  
 protection to simply ban all attachments. There are plenty of free  
 photo upload sites - use 'em for your photos and reference the link  
 in your email.

 Repository update: Yes, I'm still working on it. Recent family  
 matters put me behind the eight-ball (everything's fine), but I'll  
 be back on it this week!

 Loran
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[Phono-L] Repository

[Loran Hughes]

I was hoping to announce the repository as open for business -  
however, I'm not satisfied with it. I'll be taking the jack hammer to  
it sometime over the next couple of days. I'll let you know when the  
next preview will be available. Thanks to all those who provided  
feedback. It was most valuable!

Regards,
Loran
From phon...@cylinder.de  Wed Feb 28 00:42:53 2007
From: phon...@cylinder.de (Norman Bruderhofer)
Date: Wed Feb 28 00:43:23 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Dave Heitz Collection
Message-ID: 20070228084313.1e8b890...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com

For those who remember Dave Heitz and/or never had the oppturnity to 
see his collection:
I have posted a short video clip of my ''99 visit on YouTube. Please 
forgive me, the imperfections are all up to my responsibility, at 
that time I did not have much experience with video cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpqk-LMOF2M

Regards,
Norman Bruderhofer

[Phono-L] Edison B-80 (DD) and matching base cabinet on ebay

[Loran Hughes]

Buy/Sell/Trade ads are permitted on Phono-L.

Loran

On Feb 26, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Robert Wright wrote:

 I've never heard the list's ad policy stated, but I for one  
 appreciate knowing when someone from the list has something for  
 sale.  I'd sure rather buy from one of the group than some random  
 stranger.  Thanks for the heads-up, Peter!

 r.